Russian wanted in connection with fatal stabbing of dog in Jomtien

[LennyW]

Only nasty insecure people would have an American pit bull dog as a pet.

Would you let your 2 year old child play in the same room with an American pit bull or a Tzitzu

yes the pit bull would be the first choice, NOT, !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Only nasty insecure people would carry a knife around with them.

[Alwyn]

I had me English Bull Terrier killed a few years ago, he was only a couple of years old and still a puppy really. He was never left to run the streets - we had a nice yard and garden all around the house, which was secure. He was never walked off the lead in the streets, totally, totally harmless. Some twunt poisoned him, the only thing we could think of was that burglars or house invaders were put off by him in the yard, so they poisoned him. That, or local Muslims. How interested were the police? You know the answer..

The story is not complete.

Russian did not kill the dog on the street but in old ladies house.

Old lady was being helped by PAC.

She called PAC to ask for help as she was scared Russian was going to kill her.

Instead he went into her house and killed the dog.

PAC called police and insisted on Russian being arrested for break and enter and murder of a dog.

Police did arrest him, but while getting all the facts , officer escorted him to hotel to get his passport .

While in the room , he escaped through the back window .

Police has his passport copy and all the info.

Once arrested he is looking at 7 years jail for both offences if convicted.

Can read proper story on PAC site

You feel your life is in danger and you call an animal rescue center! I don't believe this story one bit.

So if a person is walking down the street and a dog attacks him, the person should take out his phone and call an animal rescue centre? How would a farang know the number anyway? That's like saying if a guy pulls a gun on you, we should call a gunsmith or simething. I don't think you thought your comment through

[Nobb]

I thought carry a knife for a tourist is illegal. I remember they fined a lady touring for carrying a swiss army knife in the glove box of hear car. I hope they catch this man and find out the hole story!

[Sayonarax]

Its a soi dog.

[Keesters]

The story is not complete.

Russian did not kill the dog on the street but in old ladies house.

Old lady was being helped by PAC.

She called PAC to ask for help as she was scared Russian was going to kill her.

Instead he went into her house and killed the dog.

PAC called police and insisted on Russian being arrested for break and enter and murder of a dog.

Police did arrest him, but while getting all the facts , officer escorted him to hotel to get his passport .

While in the room , he escaped through the back window .

Police has his passport copy and all the info.

Once arrested he is looking at 7 years jail for both offences if convicted.

Can read proper story on PAC site

You feel your life is in danger and you call an animal rescue center! I don't believe this story one bit.

So if a person is walking down the street and a dog attacks him, the person should take out his phone and call an animal rescue centre? How would a farang know the number anyway? That's like saying if a guy pulls a gun on you, we should call a gunsmith or simething. I don't think you thought your comment through

I think you're the one who needs to rethink your comment.

Referring to old lady it is quoted "She called PAC to ask for help as she was scared Russian was going to kill her."

It is not the Russian who called the animal rescue center it is the old lady who felt the Russian was gonna kill her. She did not call the police but the rescue center. Now is that believable or not.

[Emster23]

A bit unusual but not uncommon. My friends witnessed bulldozer beach smoothers bury mama dog and puppies alive near Soi 6 in Jomtien, under direction of authorities. I'm glad I didn't witness that.... could have come unglued. And some local business owners poison the dogs on regular basis (you know who you are). I've been bitten in two separate attacks while in Thailand: once in Bang Saen by soi pack, other by dog near my condo (I think I smelled funny as I was recovering from Dengue Fever at the time). killing dogs is something of a sport here, so why is this news? Because farang did it?

[Alwyn]

The story is not complete.

Russian did not kill the dog on the street but in old ladies house.

Old lady was being helped by PAC.

She called PAC to ask for help as she was scared Russian was going to kill her.

Instead he went into her house and killed the dog.

PAC called police and insisted on Russian being arrested for break and enter and murder of a dog.

Police did arrest him, but while getting all the facts , officer escorted him to hotel to get his passport .

While in the room , he escaped through the back window .

Police has his passport copy and all the info.

Once arrested he is looking at 7 years jail for both offences if convicted.

Can read proper story on PAC site

You feel your life is in danger and you call an animal rescue center! I don't believe this story one bit.

So if a person is walking down the street and a dog attacks him, the person should take out his phone and call an animal rescue centre? How would a farang know the number anyway? That's like saying if a guy pulls a gun on you, we should call a gunsmith or simething. I don't think you thought your comment through

I think you're the one who needs to rethink your comment.

Referring to old lady it is quoted "She called PAC to ask for help as she was scared Russian was going to kill her."

It is not the Russian who called the animal rescue center it is the old lady who felt the Russian was gonna kill her. She did not call the police but the rescue center. Now is that believable or not.

I beg your pardon, you're absolutely correct, I thought you were saying the Russian called the animal rescue - my bad, sorry!

[mikebell]

I love dog threads and so do many others - we are on page 5 already. Opinion always seems to divide between rabid dog-haters and doting dog owners. There has to be a middle line. Thailand's traffic accident is among the worst in the world. Many are caused by roaming dogs as Thais make no connection between the two. 50 years ago UK allowed free-roaming dogs until intelligence over-ruled emotion.

One day the Thai Government will wake up to the carnage on the road and legislate against roaming dogs and penalise ignorant, thick dog-owners.

In this case it is unclear whether the perp was acting in self-defence or drink-fueled dog-hatred. I have every sympathy if it's the first scenario. My perfect life in Thailand is under threat 24 hours a day when I go for a run or attempt to sleep at night. It's such a shame Man should abuse his intelligence and become a dog-owner.

[steven100]

It would appear the dog has attacked the Russian and he has retaliated and stabbed the dog.

The dog owner is irresponsible as the dog was not locked up in a yard and was left out on the street to attack anyone walking past.

The dog owner should be fined for not restraining the dog in a secure enclosure.

Do the police think the Russian goes around looking for pit bull terriers to stab ....

[rijit]

It would appear the dog has attacked the Russian and he has retaliated and stabbed the dog.

The dog owner is irresponsible as the dog was not locked up in a yard and was left out on the street to attack anyone walking past.

The dog owner should be fined for not restraining the dog in a secure enclosure.

Do the police think the Russian goes around looking for pit bull terriers to stab ....

No but seems most on thai visa do

rijit

[superal]

A dog is a man's best friend in the right circumstances . There are many breeds of dogs that are acceptable as family pets , guide dogs , police , security, armed forces and sniffer dogs at airports . They have a valuable place in our world .

However when it comes to certain breeds of dogs that have the potential to kill a man, common sense should prevail . Even if they are trained, this does not take away their killer instinct or dilute their extreme power . At best they should be muzzled and on a short chain when in a public place . The owners should be responsible people who should hold a special licence to keep such an animal and with good reason . Otherwise these dangerous animals should be kept in a zoo . Furthermore any dog that attacks or bites a human in the street should be destroyed and the owner fined . Any dog without identification should be put in a pound for 7 days and if not claimed by the owner given 1 more week to be sold to a new owner and failing that should be put down .

[alocacoc]

Has the protests at the Russian embassy already begun?

I'm happy for every dog less in Pattaya.

[katana]

The news.mthai.com website reported the story in the OP, with Thai readers' comments underneath. Most comments were in support of the Russian, believing that it was probably self defence and that dogs running wild round the sois are a big problem in Thailand.

One post was from a Thai who lives in the soi and they gave a little background to the story. They said the owner lets the dog run about the soi unattended all the time. In fact she has several dogs. The dogs would often try to bite pedestrians and motorcyclists passing through the soi. If any of the victims tried to retaliate by hitting the dogs the owner would start shouting and swearing at them regardless of the fact her dogs had just tried to bite them. This had been going on for a long time. The dogs also fouled the soi and their antisocial behaviour was well known there.

I saw a documentary on pit bulls and similar fighting dogs a while back.

They interviewed a vet who was sometimes called on by the police to identify the breed of dog they had in custody which had attacked someone or been in a dog fight. This vet said that even thoo the ugh he had over 30 years experience as a vet, he was very often unable to ascertain if the dog was a pure pit bull or a pit bull cross breed because they all looked so similar. And when it came down to it, the injuries inflicted by them were so horrific it didn't really make any difference.

Also it's a common tactic for pit bull owners to claim their dogs aren't pure pit bull to get round the strict laws on owning these dangerous dogs.

hey katana--howz about providing a link to the 'mthai.com' story you refer to???

Nope? I didn't think so because there never was one. As for the rest of your post, pure BS...

I, on the other hand, actually have an authentic link:

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.846750682073724.1073742022.457445704337559&type=3

A story on Facebook with just the woman's version of the story? Must be true then...

Mthai.com link.

http://news.mthai.com/hot-news/general-news/452807.html

Edited July 12, 2015 by katana

[WitawatWatawit]

I would give the Russian a community service award.

Pit bulls are mongreled out slugs that are unpredictable around kids.

Take a look at the average pitbull owner. Half the time they look like their dog.

Most Australians who own pitbulls are covered in tatoos. Says it all.

Pit Bulls and Russians should be banned.

Australians too.

[englansi]

Three years back, my beloved Scappy was killed by a pack of wild dogs. I posted a warning about the area where it happened, and whilst there were many sympathetic and appreciative posts, there were many vitriolic anti-dog posters - who also insulted me, and mocked me for being grief stricken. I finally responded by inviting the venomous savages to meet me at a designated area, in order that they could justify their virulent actions (There was no threat of violence) I was astonished when none of them showed up!

I don't hate dogs. I just don't see the point of them, except for specialist technical functions. Which was the original reason x thousand years ago.

I would leave the subject alone, but for the fact that dog apologists seem to think that their imposition on society is acceptable, even when fatal to others.

I would leave it alone if humans had the inherent responsibility and moral right to be able to own another animal in the way that a significant proportion of dog owners delude themselves they do.

I don't think it is unreasonable to expect to be able to take perfectly harmless activities such as walking, running, cycling or biking without being attacked. Is it?

Apparently, according to some here, I should be deported or hung for thought crime on dogs.

Others think my intelligence stunted because I have never been chased and bitten by a rat or noticed stepping in their poo and therefore find dogs worse.

It's a strange world indeed.

[englansi]

The evil Russian carrying a knife attacked an innocent puppy and brutally killed the poor dog.

A warning to all dogs in Pattaya: beware of the Russians with knives! They are armed and very dangerous.

I would say beware of idiots carrying knives who are afraid they get attacked by an apple or a loaf of bread.

Never understood peoples need for weapons, thing is when you got one with you who knows what you do when drunk or emotional they are then a danger to others.

Much rather face a dog then a person with a knife.

A dog is a weapon. I too see no reason to own a weapon.

The cognitive dissonance in this thread is astonishing. Dogs are a hazard on many different levels. Why defend them? Why pretend they are harmless when they are demonstrably not?

A significant number of posters seem to believe that Russians are dangerous dog hunter-killers and spend their free time looking to make their own lives difficult and should receive the death sentence.

I'm going to have to tell you, please be seated, dogs are not people. Killing an animal is not murder. If it is, your lunch makes you a criminal.

For a reason I will never understand, some people need pets that subject the rest of us to potential attack or some kind of biological problem. Dogs are worse than rats,qv.

A dog on ones own property is not a weapon, no argument from me that roaming dogs can be dangerous.

Killing a dog is indeed not murder, but neither is it a nice thing to do. Dogs are considered pets in most cases only headcases go out killing them.

Dogs are worse as rats.. i really wonder about the intelligence of some posters wonder what education (if any) you have. Sure the potential of a rat attack vs a dog attack is a lot less. But rats spread disease that is their danger.. and the danger from that far outweighs that of dogs.

Worse than rats. Seems my reading and writing lessons were more profitably spent than yours. But if you as a dog apologist need to try to feel superior, I can understand that.

And I stand by the comment. There are all kinds of hazards out there, but dogs are a man made one. Therefore it is a pointless risk, sans any benefit.

Dogs are often a lot larger than rats, but I don't know if that's true in your country. I have never noticed them chasing me, nor have I noticed their poo so much in the countries I have knocked about in.

A word of advice, disagree all you want, but silly insults just make you look, well, silly.

[steven100]

I would give the Russian a community service award.

Pit bulls are mongreled out slugs that are unpredictable around kids.

Take a look at the average pitbull owner. Half the time they look like their dog.

Most Australians who own pitbulls are covered in tatoos. Says it all.

Pit Bulls and Russians should be banned.

Australians too.

Americans too .. and British .. and French ... and Kiwi's .... and WitawatWatawit's ...

[robblok]

A dog is a weapon. I too see no reason to own a weapon.

The cognitive dissonance in this thread is astonishing. Dogs are a hazard on many different levels. Why defend them? Why pretend they are harmless when they are demonstrably not?

A significant number of posters seem to believe that Russians are dangerous dog hunter-killers and spend their free time looking to make their own lives difficult and should receive the death sentence.

I'm going to have to tell you, please be seated, dogs are not people. Killing an animal is not murder. If it is, your lunch makes you a criminal.

For a reason I will never understand, some people need pets that subject the rest of us to potential attack or some kind of biological problem. Dogs are worse than rats,qv.

A dog on ones own property is not a weapon, no argument from me that roaming dogs can be dangerous.

Killing a dog is indeed not murder, but neither is it a nice thing to do. Dogs are considered pets in most cases only headcases go out killing them.

Dogs are worse as rats.. i really wonder about the intelligence of some posters wonder what education (if any) you have. Sure the potential of a rat attack vs a dog attack is a lot less. But rats spread disease that is their danger.. and the danger from that far outweighs that of dogs.

Worse than rats. Seems my reading and writing lessons were more profitably spent than yours. But if you as a dog apologist need to try to feel superior, I can understand that.

And I stand by the comment. There are all kinds of hazards out there, but dogs are a man made one. Therefore it is a pointless risk, sans any benefit.

Dogs are often a lot larger than rats, but I don't know if that's true in your country. I have never noticed them chasing me, nor have I noticed their poo so much in the countries I have knocked about in.

A word of advice, disagree all you want, but silly insults just make you look, well, silly.

your remarks are silly, rats had the fleas that spread the black death.. the potential of rats.. far more dangerous as dogs. I don't spell check all my posts this is just a form of entertainment for me posting here. Its my second language, probably yours too so I don't care much if its all grammatically correct.

1. Rat bites and scratches can result in disease and rat-bite fever. Rat urine is responsible for the spread of leptospirosis, which can result in liver and kidney damage. It can also be contracted through handling or inhalation of scat. Complications include renal and liver failure, as well as cardiovascular problems.

[mikebell]

Rats can spread diseases. Thai authorities make frequent attempts to poison/trap them. Similarly mosquitoes kill millions annually. Thai authorities make some attempt to kill them by spreading insecticide. In both the above cases these creatures are wild.

Dogs, however are a man-made killer. Some dogs have been abandoned on the soi by their previous owners; some dogs have had their genetics screwed with; some household pets are allowed to roam freely defecating on beaches or mating with undomesticated dogs. Whatever, there is no Thai intervention by the authorities. This should be the big issue here. When Thailand gets 'civilised' and moves up from third world status, then they will begin to tackle this serious issue of dog attacks/accidents caused by dogs/diseases spread by dogs/ nuisance noise from dogs.

6 pages of comment and only a few from dog owners; most owners are sensible enough not to try to defend the indefensible whilst lacking intelligence in the first place by owning a dog.

[rijit]

A dog is a weapon. I too see no reason to own a weapon.

The cognitive dissonance in this thread is astonishing. Dogs are a hazard on many different levels. Why defend them? Why pretend they are harmless when they are demonstrably not?

A significant number of posters seem to believe that Russians are dangerous dog hunter-killers and spend their free time looking to make their own lives difficult and should receive the death sentence.

I'm going to have to tell you, please be seated, dogs are not people. Killing an animal is not murder. If it is, your lunch makes you a criminal.

For a reason I will never understand, some people need pets that subject the rest of us to potential attack or some kind of biological problem. Dogs are worse than rats,qv.

A dog on ones own property is not a weapon, no argument from me that roaming dogs can be dangerous.

Killing a dog is indeed not murder, but neither is it a nice thing to do. Dogs are considered pets in most cases only headcases go out killing them.

Dogs are worse as rats.. i really wonder about the intelligence of some posters wonder what education (if any) you have. Sure the potential of a rat attack vs a dog attack is a lot less. But rats spread disease that is their danger.. and the danger from that far outweighs that of dogs.

Worse than rats. Seems my reading and writing lessons were more profitably spent than yours. But if you as a dog apologist need to try to feel superior, I can understand that.

And I stand by the comment. There are all kinds of hazards out there, but dogs are a man made one. Therefore it is a pointless risk, sans any benefit.

Dogs are often a lot larger than rats, but I don't know if that's true in your country. I have never noticed them chasing me, nor have I noticed their poo so much in the countries I have knocked about in.

A word of advice, disagree all you want, but silly insults just make you look, well, silly.

your remarks are silly, rats had the fleas that spread the black death.. the potential of rats.. far more dangerous as dogs. I don't spell check all my posts this is just a form of entertainment for me posting here. Its my second language, probably yours too so I don't care much if its all grammatically correct.

• Rat bites and scratches can result in disease and rat-bite fever. Rat urine is responsible for the spread of leptospirosis, which can result in liver and kidney damage. It can also be contracted through handling or inhalation of scat. Complications include renal and liver failure, as well as cardiovascular problems.

Xongr

Congrats on your excellent english

However in the last few years scientists have discovered that it wasnt the rat that brought the plague over it was the gerbil.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-31588671

Leaving the rat as probably THE most imo unjustifiably persecuted creature that has ever existed.

rijit

[impulse]

However in the last few years scientists have discovered that it wasnt the rat that brought the plague over it was the gerbil.

Man, you shouldn't ought to have mentioned gerbils here on TVF...

Use the search function to figure out why. I ain't going there.

Edited July 12, 2015 by impulse

[mikebell]

I love it when I can goad dog owners into displaying their ignorance. Lets answer Lenny's comment first as that's easy. When you stoop to invective you lose credibility and the argument.

'Ill-informed?' Why? Was there something you could not follow?

'Pompous' infers a belief in my superiority. You got that one right, Len.

Hyku at least makes an attempt though rather spoiled by his last line.

A 1st World country has a democratic Government; freedom of speech; a fair justice system; an honest police force; a functioning education system and cares deeply about the safety of its people. I've named only 6 prerequisites, so how does Thailand do? OK we now agree Thailand is a 3rd World country.

I used mosquitoes/rats as examples of pests that cause deaths. Now I do not have any figures about the number of fatalities caused by accidents involving dogs; or rabies spread by dogs; or the number of children savaged by dogs; I am willing to bet it is a significant number. Therefore dogs can be classed as killers. (Still with me Hyku?) So having established dogs cause death, explain why any intelligent person would keep one in the house.

I would say my logic is impeccable not flawed.

And not a single childish insult and not written in crayon.

[Rimmer]

Flame removed

[LennyW]

I love it when I can goad dog owners into displaying their ignorance. Lets answer Lenny's comment first as that's easy. When you stoop to invective you lose credibility and the argument.

'Ill-informed?' Why? Was there something you could not follow?

'Pompous' infers a belief in my superiority. You got that one right, Len.

Hyku at least makes an attempt though rather spoiled by his last line.

A 1st World country has a democratic Government; freedom of speech; a fair justice system; an honest police force; a functioning education system and cares deeply about the safety of its people. I've named only 6 prerequisites, so how does Thailand do? OK we now agree Thailand is a 3rd World country.

I used mosquitoes/rats as examples of pests that cause deaths. Now I do not have any figures about the number of fatalities caused by accidents involving dogs; or rabies spread by dogs; or the number of children savaged by dogs; I am willing to bet it is a significant number. Therefore dogs can be classed as killers. (Still with me Hyku?) So having established dogs cause death, explain why any intelligent person would keep one in the house.

I would say my logic is impeccable not flawed.

And not a single childish insult and not written in crayon.

"Pompous' infers a belief in my superiority." Not when it's coupled with the word tit it doesn't.

As suggested above, best you go to college, learn what the difference is between a developing nation and a third world country, save you looking quite so ill informed and foolish in the future, maybe, then again maybe not..

[onemorechang]

Thought this was a thread about lovely cuddly American Pit-bull, devil dogs.

I reckon the guy had a knife because the dog had, done stuff before to him, friends or family.

That would explain why he went after the dog into the ladies place and killed the Devil dog.

[rijit]

I love it when I can goad dog owners into displaying their ignorance. Lets answer Lenny's comment first as that's easy. When you stoop to invective you lose credibility and the argument.

'Ill-informed?' Why? Was there something you could not follow?

'Pompous' infers a belief in my superiority. You got that one right, Len.

Hyku at least makes an attempt though rather spoiled by his last line.

A 1st World country has a democratic Government; freedom of speech; a fair justice system; an honest police force; a functioning education system and cares deeply about the safety of its people. I've named only 6 prerequisites, so how does Thailand do? OK we now agree Thailand is a 3rd World country.

I used mosquitoes/rats as examples of pests that cause deaths. Now I do not have any figures about the number of fatalities caused by accidents involving dogs; or rabies spread by dogs; or the number of children savaged by dogs; I am willing to bet it is a significant number. Therefore dogs can be classed as killers. (Still with me Hyku?) So having established dogs cause death, explain why any intelligent person would keep one in the house.

I would say my logic is impeccable not flawed.

And not a single childish insult and not written in crayon.

Go to college.

or get a life.

rijit

[Jim walker]

another hard case Russian who would take on any puppy under one year old, It would take a complete nutter to stab a puppy This Russian sounds a bit like Peter Tobin he cut the head of a puppy for pissing on the carpet and he turned out to be such a nice person.

[MyFriend You]

I carry a knife with me everywhere. How do they know he was drunk?

Okay, I'll be the one to ask... why do you carry a knife with you everywhere..?

Better to have one and not need it than to need one and not have it..............you never know when you will need to cut somthing, fruit, cake, drunk person attacking you with a knife,. things like that.

[Keesters]

The news.mthai.com website reported the story in the OP, with Thai readers' comments underneath. Most comments were in support of the Russian, believing that it was probably self defence and that dogs running wild round the sois are a big problem in Thailand.

One post was from a Thai who lives in the soi and they gave a little background to the story. They said the owner lets the dog run about the soi unattended all the time. In fact she has several dogs. The dogs would often try to bite pedestrians and motorcyclists passing through the soi. If any of the victims tried to retaliate by hitting the dogs the owner would start shouting and swearing at them regardless of the fact her dogs had just tried to bite them. This had been going on for a long time. The dogs also fouled the soi and their antisocial behaviour was well known there.

I saw a documentary on pit bulls and similar fighting dogs a while back.

They interviewed a vet who was sometimes called on by the police to identify the breed of dog they had in custody which had attacked someone or been in a dog fight. This vet said that even thoo the ugh he had over 30 years experience as a vet, he was very often unable to ascertain if the dog was a pure pit bull or a pit bull cross breed because they all looked so similar. And when it came down to it, the injuries inflicted by them were so horrific it didn't really make any difference.

Also it's a common tactic for pit bull owners to claim their dogs aren't pure pit bull to get round the strict laws on owning these dangerous dogs.

hey katana--howz about providing a link to the 'mthai.com' story you refer to???

Nope? I didn't think so because there never was one. As for the rest of your post, pure BS...

I, on the other hand, actually have an authentic link:

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.846750682073724.1073742022.457445704337559&type=3

A story on Facebook with just the woman's version of the story? Must be true then...

Mthai.com link.

http://news.mthai.com/hot-news/general-news/452807.html

Thanks for the link. I've tried to translate the page through Google but ended up with gibberish and have no real idea what their story is. Like you I do not believe the Facebook story true either. It seems certain that by the time officials arrived the dog had been loaded into a motorcycle cart. So where did the incident happen? PAC on Facebook would have us believe it took place in the ladies house where the Russian would have had to trespass and the old lady felt her life threatened and called the animal rescue center for assistance. That does not seem likely. If you think your life is in danger you call the police and if something happens you don't move any of the evidence.

I'm much more inclined to believe that the dog was loose and the Russian felt his life threatened and retaliated by stabbing the dog with a knife found on a nearby restaurant table. Perhaps someone with better translation skills than Google could translate http://news.mthai.com/hot-news/general-news/452807.html so that we could all be better informed.

[steven100]

Get rid of all the Soi dogs and the place would be much safer for kids and elderly folk.

They are a pest and a menice and spread rabies.