Thai at Heart Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Where have they been found to be unusually rich? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Those with the surname Shinawatra. Those associated or friends of those with the surname Shinawatra. Nice to see that the main priority of the new government is to rid Thailand of the Shinawatra's political influence. One sided reform is still the agenda. As the song goes'We're on a road to nowhere'. ..........................."Those with the surname Shinawatra. Those associated or friends of those with the surname Shinawatra."......................... Yep, that's exactly who I would ban from politics forever. Do the country a big favor. Google the Shinawatras and look at their combined criminal history, it's a very long rap sheet. None of them deserve to be in a position where they are able to line their own pockets at the expense of the Thai people. But, but, Suthep ! But, but, the military ! .............................. I do realize the Shins are not the only rotten apples in the barrel and if I could I would go after all the bent and corrupt politicians, police and military people and bust them as well. (There, that saves the junta bashers from attacking me for being biased.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Neat act to eliminated the Shins since no one else from the yellow side have been convicted. How appropriate that Thaksin and Yingluck fall into that category. Expect the junta apologists will say that only they are corrupted. Let's hear some names, then. And then their alleged crimes. Let's start with the 7 cases with the NACC since 2010 that involved Dem Party. Lots procrastination while others (mainly PT) have been fast tracked, convicted and banned from politics . And please don't ask me what 7 cases, Mr. Know-all. So the only response you have is 'But what about the dems...' Not exactly and it's about level playing field, fair dispensation of justice and non discrimination. So far I see none. Especially so when the NACC and NLA have members that sided the PDRC and their "get rid of Thaksin regime". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginjag Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Neat act to eliminated the Shins since no one else from the yellow side have been convicted. How appropriate that Thaksin and Yingluck fall into that category. Expect the junta apologists will say that only they are corrupted. Let's hear some names, then. And then their alleged crimes. Let's start with the 7 cases with the NACC since 2010 that involved Dem Party. Lots procrastination while others (mainly PT) have been fast tracked, convicted and banned from politics . And please don't ask me what 7 cases, Mr. Know-all. So the only response you have is 'But what about the dems...' Seems not an opinion, but an AGENDA, it's a never ending posting ritual. Denial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ginjag Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 - I noticed one of the Democrat MP's was crying about MP immunity being removed, but funnily enough Ginjag fails to criticise that! It's probably not on his agenda. After all agendas are pretty central to most of his bellowing! What you minority do not read is what I always maintain, is anyone guilty of NOT doing the job they are paid for, OUTwith them ALL The biggest problem of this last 4 years has been the Shin PTP brigade in destroying the Thai peoples future for their own gains---any Dem involved before that need seeing to in no uncertain terms. So have you little dig at Ginjag if you want to try to throw the onus on others, and sway the topic to your agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Ginjag, as long as you shout about imagined agendas, (your last two posts rather illustrate this), I will continue to have "a little dig". Make some posts that aren't full of imagined plots and colourful but meaningless accusations of" dung" being flung around and then I, and a few others may start to take you seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramrod711 Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 The latest attempt to block the Shinawatra siblings from ever returning to politics could result in the draft charter failing to pass the planned referendum, as Pheu Thai supporters would not be happy to see their favourite politicians wiped out, a Pheu Thai politician said yesterday. What a truly cynical thing to say, should, of course, have read we as a party are incapable of winning the peoples hearts and minds without Thaksins money. Incredibly sad but probably true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Neat act to eliminated the Shins since no one else from the yellow side have been convicted. How appropriate that Thaksin and Yingluck fall into that category. Expect the junta apologists will say that only they are corrupted. this applies across the board, are you saying that the ptp are all corrupt so should not be included as you support them. If a politician does anything criminal they should be banned for life, doesnt matter who they are but all the red/thaksin lovers are up in arms as they support the corruption their heroes do and dont care what happens to the country as long as they are paid off to ignore the truth. Talk about a pathetic outlook, and if you bother to look this will include politicians from both sides but then that doesnt support your whinge. ..................."and dont care what happens to the country as long as they are paid off to ignore the truth"........................... And I suspect a few posters are being "paid off" as well ! Eric, I think you are barking up the wrong tree, again. How many times do you have to be told ? You like to insinuate that the people who attack the Shins are "junta apologists", over and over and over....................... Sorry to burst your bubble but you are arguing with yourself. I know you would like this to be so, because it is what you base the majority of your comments on. You can expect lots of people like me, who do not support the military junta, to say the Shins are corrupted and they are not the only ones ! Capice ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Throatwobbler Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 On reading this thread all I see are a lot of little children shouting at each other. But he did that, they did that. Both sides as equally pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smutcakes Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 On reading this thread all I see are a lot of little children shouting at each other. But he did that, they did that. Both sides as equally pathetic. Nail on head. But according to some here, someone who has been out the country the best part of 8 years is still the main problem. Not the lack of equality in living, judicial standards etc. Just one man apparently. Shows how weal and worried some people are, and dar i say it, they know and recognise what a beautiful like they have had for decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatOngo Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Where have they been found to be unusually rich? My gardener and odd job man Somchai Shinawatra was certainly not rich! I sacked him for stealing my garden rake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Neat act to eliminated the Shins since no one else from the yellow side have been convicted. How appropriate that Thaksin and Yingluck fall into that category. Expect the junta apologists will say that only they are corrupted. this applies across the board, are you saying that the ptp are all corrupt so should not be included as you support them. If a politician does anything criminal they should be banned for life, doesnt matter who they are but all the red/thaksin lovers are up in arms as they support the corruption their heroes do and dont care what happens to the country as long as they are paid off to ignore the truth. Talk about a pathetic outlook, and if you bother to look this will include politicians from both sides but then that doesnt support your whinge. ..................."and dont care what happens to the country as long as they are paid off to ignore the truth"...........................Y And I suspect a few posters are being "paid off" as well ! Eric, I think you are barking up the wrong tree, again. How many times do you have to be told ? You like to insinuate that the people who attack the Shins are "junta apologists", over and over and over....................... Sorry to burst your bubble but you are arguing with yourself. I know you would like this to be so, because it is what you base the majority of your comments on. You can expect lots of people like me, who do not support the military junta, to say the Shins are corrupted and they are not the only ones ! Capice ? Capice Mike. Can't disagree with your post. I never said that the Shina are not corrupted. They are like the others. My point is that we must see good and fair governance on corruption. We want to see fair discharge of reponsibilities, accountability and transparency by the government. I don't see that at the moment and especially at this current time when freedom of expression is curtailed. There is this big elephant in the room that refused to be opened and allow to be scrutinized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down the rabbit hole Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Capice Mike. Can't disagree with your post. I never said that the Shina are not corrupted. They are like the others. My point is that we must see good and fair governance on corruption. We want to see fair discharge of reponsibilities, accountability and transparency by the government. I don't see that at the moment and especially at this current time when freedom of expression is curtailed. There is this big elephant in the room that refused to be opened and allow to be scrutinized. Fully agree, and an investigation into where the elephan came from and how it came to be so ubiquitous is well overdue. Thailand is corrupt from bottom to top. To single out a few individuals based on some shonky justification though, is exactly what one would expect from Thais. A 3rd-world nation full of 3rd-world people with 3rd-world educations but with delusions of grandeur. But it shouldn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Capice Mike. Can't disagree with your post. I never said that the Shina are not corrupted. They are like the others. My point is that we must see good and fair governance on corruption. We want to see fair discharge of reponsibilities, accountability and transparency by the government. I don't see that at the moment and especially at this current time when freedom of expression is curtailed. There is this big elephant in the room that refused to be opened and allow to be scrutinized. Fully agree, and an investigation into where the elephan came from and how it came to be so ubiquitous is well overdue. Thailand is corrupt from bottom to top. To single out a few individuals based on some shonky justification though, is exactly what one would expect from Thais. A 3rd-world nation full of 3rd-world people with 3rd-world educations but with delusions of grandeur. But it shouldn't happen. ..................."To single out a few individuals based on some shonky justification though, is exactly what one would expect from Thais."....................... Guess what ? That is exactly what the PTP would do to anyone who opposed them, when it is their turn at the trough. When they have a meal together the topic of conversation is who they are going to get when they are back in power, and what they are going to do with them. And I have news for you, it is not just the Thais who operate like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 The latest attempt to block the Shinawatra siblings from ever returning to politics could result in the draft charter failing to pass the planned referendum, as Pheu Thai supporters would not be happy to see their favourite politicians wiped out, a Pheu Thai politician said yesterday. What a truly cynical thing to say, should, of course, have read we as a party are incapable of winning the peoples hearts and minds without Thaksins money. Incredibly sad but probably true. All good points. IMHO add, they seem to regularly try to put forward 'but we are entitled to have it all our way, never mind about developing and implementing principles and laws which are there to push towards a civil society which works to rules to protect the common wealth of all Thais, amongst other things'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tukkytuktuk Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 The latest attempt to block the Shinawatra siblings from ever returning to politics could result in the draft charter failing to pass the planned referendum, as Pheu Thai supporters would not be happy to see their favourite politicians wiped out, a Pheu Thai politician said yesterday. What a truly cynical thing to say, should, of course, have read we as a party are incapable of winning the peoples hearts and minds without Thaksins money. Incredibly sad but probably true. Thaksin won the hearts and minds of the people with his 30 baht health care plan and his one tambon one product policy, not to mention his wiping off all the nations debt in less than 2 years and his meet the people style politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halloween Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 The latest attempt to block the Shinawatra siblings from ever returning to politics could result in the draft charter failing to pass the planned referendum, as Pheu Thai supporters would not be happy to see their favourite politicians wiped out, a Pheu Thai politician said yesterday. What a truly cynical thing to say, should, of course, have read we as a party are incapable of winning the peoples hearts and minds without Thaksins money. Incredibly sad but probably true. Thaksin won the hearts and minds of the people with his 30 baht health care plan and his one tambon one product policy, not to mention his wiping off all the nations debt in less than 2 years and his meet the people style politics. And when he finally gets before a judge, what will it count for? In a criminal court, criminal deeds aren't counterbalanced by good, and whatever benefits the Thai people got, he got more from them. BTW have you heard the one about how he paid off the IMF with his own money? I wonder how that rumour got started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smutcakes Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Capice Mike. Can't disagree with your post. I never said that the Shina are not corrupted. They are like the others. My point is that we must see good and fair governance on corruption. We want to see fair discharge of reponsibilities, accountability and transparency by the government. I don't see that at the moment and especially at this current time when freedom of expression is curtailed. There is this big elephant in the room that refused to be opened and allow to be scrutinized. Fully agree, and an investigation into where the elephan came from and how it came to be so ubiquitous is well overdue. Thailand is corrupt from bottom to top. To single out a few individuals based on some shonky justification though, is exactly what one would expect from Thais. A 3rd-world nation full of 3rd-world people with 3rd-world educations but with delusions of grandeur. But it shouldn't happen. ..................."To single out a few individuals based on some shonky justification though, is exactly what one would expect from Thais."....................... Guess what ? That is exactly what the PTP would do to anyone who opposed them, when it is their turn at the trough. When they have a meal together the topic of conversation is who they are going to get when they are back in power, and what they are going to do with them. And I have news for you, it is not just the Thais who operate like that. Perhaps you can outline to us who the PTP to vengeance against? I have never seen one person of influence prosecuted or jailed, but i am sure you know different given your "Guess what ? That is exactly what the PTP would do to anyone who opposed them, when it is their turn at the trough." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 (edited) Capice Mike. Can't disagree with your post. I never said that the Shina are not corrupted. They are like the others. My point is that we must see good and fair governance on corruption. We want to see fair discharge of reponsibilities, accountability and transparency by the government. I don't see that at the moment and especially at this current time when freedom of expression is curtailed. There is this big elephant in the room that refused to be opened and allow to be scrutinized. Fully agree, and an investigation into where the elephan came from and how it came to be so ubiquitous is well overdue. Thailand is corrupt from bottom to top. To single out a few individuals based on some shonky justification though, is exactly what one would expect from Thais. A 3rd-world nation full of 3rd-world people with 3rd-world educations but with delusions of grandeur. But it shouldn't happen. ..................."To single out a few individuals based on some shonky justification though, is exactly what one would expect from Thais."....................... Guess what ? That is exactly what the PTP would do to anyone who opposed them, when it is their turn at the trough. When they have a meal together the topic of conversation is who they are going to get when they are back in power, and what they are going to do with them. And I have news for you, it is not just the Thais who operate like that. Perhaps you can outline to us who the PTP to vengeance against? I have never seen one person of influence prosecuted or jailed, but i am sure you know different given your "Guess what ? That is exactly what the PTP would do to anyone who opposed them, when it is their turn at the trough." Who have you seen jailed of the Shin side then ? Same same loads of hot air. But both sides attack each-other Tarit was used by both sides. But life bans for corruption seem good to me. Just not to the Shins. They did not even go after Jattuporn for his role in the burning of BKK. Edited July 22, 2015 by robblok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smutcakes Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Capice Mike. Can't disagree with your post. I never said that the Shina are not corrupted. They are like the others. My point is that we must see good and fair governance on corruption. We want to see fair discharge of reponsibilities, accountability and transparency by the government. I don't see that at the moment and especially at this current time when freedom of expression is curtailed. There is this big elephant in the room that refused to be opened and allow to be scrutinized. Fully agree, and an investigation into where the elephan came from and how it came to be so ubiquitous is well overdue. Thailand is corrupt from bottom to top. To single out a few individuals based on some shonky justification though, is exactly what one would expect from Thais. A 3rd-world nation full of 3rd-world people with 3rd-world educations but with delusions of grandeur. But it shouldn't happen. ..................."To single out a few individuals based on some shonky justification though, is exactly what one would expect from Thais."....................... Guess what ? That is exactly what the PTP would do to anyone who opposed them, when it is their turn at the trough. When they have a meal together the topic of conversation is who they are going to get when they are back in power, and what they are going to do with them. And I have news for you, it is not just the Thais who operate like that. Perhaps you can outline to us who the PTP to vengeance against? I have never seen one person of influence prosecuted or jailed, but i am sure you know different given your "Guess what ? That is exactly what the PTP would do to anyone who opposed them, when it is their turn at the trough." Who have you seen jailed of the Shin side then ? Same same loads of hot air. But both sides attack each-other Tarit was used by both sides. But life bans for corruption seem good to me. Just not to the Shins. They did not even go after Jattuporn for his role in the burning of BKK. Um, i never said anyone did. Mikemac was saying that the PTP took vengeance against those against him, and I asked him who they took vengeance against? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Um, i never said anyone did. Mikemac was saying that the PTP took vengeance against those against him, and I asked him who they took vengeance against? I wish they did took vengeance among each-other.. at least then some cases of corruption would make it to the courts. Then some HiSo's on both sides would go to jail. I don't see this happening but I am sure that both PTP ans Prayut have taken vengeance on lower minions. Just think of police reshuffling and such. I have no tolerance for corruption on either side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Capice Mike. Can't disagree with your post. I never said that the Shina are not corrupted. They are like the others. My point is that we must see good and fair governance on corruption. We want to see fair discharge of reponsibilities, accountability and transparency by the government. I don't see that at the moment and especially at this current time when freedom of expression is curtailed. There is this big elephant in the room that refused to be opened and allow to be scrutinized. Fully agree, and an investigation into where the elephan came from and how it came to be so ubiquitous is well overdue. Thailand is corrupt from bottom to top. To single out a few individuals based on some shonky justification though, is exactly what one would expect from Thais. A 3rd-world nation full of 3rd-world people with 3rd-world educations but with delusions of grandeur. But it shouldn't happen. How completely arrogant and condesending of you to say quote "A 3rd-world nation full of 3rd-world people with 3rd-world educations but with delusions of grandeur." It isn't your country and it isn't mine but having lived and worked here for some 20 odd years I have accepted that there are many thing I cannot change about Thailand but the majority of Thai people I have met bear NO recognition to the way you have described them. It says a lot more about you and your attitude that it does about Thai people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smutcakes Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Um, i never said anyone did. Mikemac was saying that the PTP took vengeance against those against him, and I asked him who they took vengeance against? I wish they did took vengeance among each-other.. at least then some cases of corruption would make it to the courts. Then some HiSo's on both sides would go to jail. I don't see this happening but I am sure that both PTP ans Prayut have taken vengeance on lower minions. Just think of police reshuffling and such. I have no tolerance for corruption on either side. Perhaps, but if they had it has been very low level and missed the news. Other than the CIB guys, not one person of any power or influence has been prosecuted and jailed for anything in the past god knows how many years. Thaksin aside that is......... but then again that was an extremely big crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 The latest attempt to block the Shinawatra siblings from ever returning to politics could result in the draft charter failing to pass the planned referendum, as Pheu Thai supporters would not be happy to see their favourite politicians wiped out, a Pheu Thai politician said yesterday. What a truly cynical thing to say, should, of course, have read we as a party are incapable of winning the peoples hearts and minds without Thaksins money. Incredibly sad but probably true. Thaksin won the hearts and minds of the people with his 30 baht health care plan and his one tambon one product policy, not to mention his wiping off all the nations debt in less than 2 years and his meet the people style politics. Wiping out all the nations debt in 2 years? Really? As he did not gain power until 2001 and the debt was from the government in power in 1997 (in which he was an active member) who do you think paid back the debt in the 4 years before that? The tooth fairy? Try thinking about the Democratic Party under Chuan Leekpai that took over from General Chavalit Yongchaiyudh's New Aspiration Party who in turn took over from Banharn Silpa Archa's Chart Thai Party. Thaksin was a member of that government too I suppose you also believe that he repaid the debt from his own money too? Before you post try doing a little research on the facts first. It helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Capice Mike. Can't disagree with your post. I never said that the Shina are not corrupted. They are like the others. My point is that we must see good and fair governance on corruption. We want to see fair discharge of reponsibilities, accountability and transparency by the government. I don't see that at the moment and especially at this current time when freedom of expression is curtailed. There is this big elephant in the room that refused to be opened and allow to be scrutinized. Fully agree, and an investigation into where the elephan came from and how it came to be so ubiquitous is well overdue. Thailand is corrupt from bottom to top. To single out a few individuals based on some shonky justification though, is exactly what one would expect from Thais. A 3rd-world nation full of 3rd-world people with 3rd-world educations but with delusions of grandeur. But it shouldn't happen. How completely arrogant and condesending of you to say quote "A 3rd-world nation full of 3rd-world people with 3rd-world educations but with delusions of grandeur." It isn't your country and it isn't mine but having lived and worked here for some 20 odd years I have accepted that there are many thing I cannot change about Thailand but the majority of Thai people I have met bear NO recognition to the way you have described them. It says a lot more about you and your attitude that it does about Thai people. arrogant and condesending ? You could almost think it was fabio posting under a new identity ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4jeffrey Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Former Pheu Thai MP Worachai Hema voiced his frustration over this provision, saying "they" were obviously trying to get rid of politicians from the Pheu Thai camp. Irony in its extreme. Thailand voiced its frustration when the same guy tried to save politicians who ran the Pheu Thai camp..... Aug. 5, 2013 - The Yingluck government is pushing for the amnesty bill sponsored by Pheu Thai MP and Red Shirt Leader Worachai Hema... http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Clouds-of-doubt-over-Worachais-amnesty-bill-30211878.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4jeffrey Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 The latest attempt to block the Shinawatra siblings from ever returning to politics could result in the draft charter failing to pass the planned referendum, as Pheu Thai supporters would not be happy to see their favourite politicians wiped out, a Pheu Thai politician said yesterday. What a truly cynical thing to say, should, of course, have read we as a party are incapable of winning the peoples hearts and minds without Thaksins money. Incredibly sad but probably true. Thaksin won the hearts and minds of the people with his 30 baht health care plan and his one tambon one product policy, not to mention his wiping off all the nations debt in less than 2 years and his meet the people style politics. And when he finally gets before a judge, what will it count for? In a criminal court, criminal deeds aren't counterbalanced by good, and whatever benefits the Thai people got, he got more from them. BTW have you heard the one about how he paid off the IMF with his own money? I wonder how that rumour got started. Started by the same rumor-generating machine that had many people convinced that he personally paid for peoples' medical operations. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4jeffrey Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Neat act to eliminated the Shins since no one else from the yellow side have been convicted. How appropriate that Thaksin and Yingluck fall into that category. Expect the junta apologists will say that only they are corrupted. Let's hear some names, then. And then their alleged crimes. Let's start with the 7 cases with the NACC since 2010 that involved Dem Party. Lots procrastination while others (mainly PT) have been fast tracked, convicted and banned from politics . And please don't ask me what 7 cases, Mr. Know-all. Why start from 2010? Why not 1987 when Thaksin started Shin and AIS? The Thai satellite project had been started in 1983 and bidding for concessions commenced in 1987. Thats when Thaksin, without any prior experience, decided to make money in telecom. He got his concessions from his junta friends (military coup 1991) and later awarded one of the generals a cabinet position in his "democratically" elected goverment in 2004. Of course there are many Democrat examples of procrastination over the years. But the PT camps completely own this field. They are nowhere near being comparable. Not even when we throw politically motivated cases in the pitch, as you seem to like. What's more interesting is the vocality against corruption. Here the positions are completely reversed. As they have been all the way since 1991. Why do you think that is? "Why start from 2010?" Likely, that's when his knowledge of Thai politics began. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Where have they been found to be unusually rich? Unusually rich means there is evidence of wealth which cannot explained. There can be little doubt that scaly politicians know a dozen ways to hide wealth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Haggis Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 What about scaly coppers and soldiers? Pretty sure they're also ahead of the curve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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