rijit Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Just thinking outside the box. I've just blow the hell out of a public place killing and maiming a lot of people. CCTV catches my escape. I've had days to get the heck out of Dodge. Why I'm I still in my room with a bunch of materials that could be used for bomb making. Personally, especially considering the media was saying there was not a good CCTV coverage, I'd be in a different country, and back to whatever sick terror cell I came from. But no! The "Suspect" stays. Like one of the previous posters said. Wait and see. About sums up my train of thought.The thai police said the bombing was carefully planned, yet they sit in the room ?? Days after the incident with all the bomb making gear,, REALLY... rijit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pitrevie Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Evidence Monty Python style youtube.com/watch?v=xVV7hfbYOsg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Another foreign news report reuters I think quotes an interview with the nieghbour who said there was another man going to the apartment and he looked similar but was much taller, now that dont sound like scapegoat to me, to me this sounds like genuine. So what you're trying to say is scapegoats tend to be shorter around here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaPiPuPePo Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 as pointed out by other posters, there are also other mistakes in this bad quality fake, the most obvious other mistake being the 2 dodgy dates, I don't know any passports with identical date of issuance and expiry date, i.e. issued on number 5 always expires on number 4. I'm surprised a terrorist would take the risk of traveling on such a bad quality fake passport. My passport has date issued 05 Jan 2011 date expired 05 Jan 2021 So it seems both are possible. Lukecan who says he's Turkish says his dates are the same, so apparently the forger got that right, yet screwed up "date of entry."I wonder which other of his passports have glaring errors like that in them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeefSlapper Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Turkish embassy says he is not thier citizen http://twitter.com/RichardBarrow/status/637888008574730241 They can say that as he has a false passport, maybe when the 6pm news report comes out we will know what his native tounge is then his nationality. I would also like to know if the man named by media reports as a turkish citizen and the tennant of all five apartments is a turkish citizen Arrested man refuses to answer questionshttp://twitter.com/RichardBarrow/status/637900603943817216 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisinth Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Just thinking outside the box. I've just blow the hell out of a public place killing and maiming a lot of people. CCTV catches my escape. I've had days to get the heck out of Dodge. Why I'm I still in my room with a bunch of materials that could be used for bomb making. Personally, especially considering the media was saying there was not a good CCTV coverage, I'd be in a different country, and back to whatever sick terror cell I came from. But no! The "Suspect" stays. Like one of the previous posters said. Wait and see. About sums up my train of thought.The thai police said the bombing was carefully planned, yet they sit in the room ?? Days after the incident with all the bomb making gear,, REALLY... rijit Was he actually sat in the room for the entire time? How did he get food, water? Was the location under surveillance by the police/security forces? When did the property owner inform the authorities of his suspicions? Was he just visiting the rooms to make sure everything was OK, and did this trigger the raid? Questions, questions, questions................. Perhaps a lot was going on in the background and not released to the public? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwikeith Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Another foreign news report reuters I think quotes an interview with the nieghbour who said there was another man going to the apartment and he looked similar but was much taller, now that dont sound like scapegoat to me, to me this sounds like genuine. So what you're trying to say is scapegoats tend to be shorter around here? I think you missed the point, this is probably a genuine bust you will have to wait and see what comes out at 6pm. Why wouldn't one of the bomb gang stay and make more bombs if they know that CCTV and many other factors have not traced them. Maybe they left a test case dumby behind to take the rap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCFC Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Come on guys, give them some credit. Whether this guy was involved or not, he was caught with over 200 hundred fake passports and bomb equipment at his apartment. Good enough for me to lock him up for a long time. And if he doesn't cooperate, fly in few US experts to make him talk. I'm almost certain a foreign intelligence service tipped Thais off with regard to phone calls. They record everything. It takes time to comb through the data. How are you almost certain of that? Thais don't have the means and sophisticated technology to collect and analyse all electronic and phone communications. The good old US of A and their buddies in Israel have! They are both heavily embedded in the land smiles.Sophisticated technology is not necessary. Every time you make a call you generate a Call Data Record (CDR) which contains info not only the source and destination numbers but your device id and which cell you are using. It all goes into a telcos database and a simple query of the cells around the Erawan Shrine at the known time will give you a short list of either internation sims, international devices or international destinations. Very easy to do. After all how do you think phone companies know how and where to charge you if they didn't collect this data? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeefSlapper Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Come on guys, give them some credit. Whether this guy was involved or not, he was caught with over 200 hundred fake passports and bomb equipment at his apartment. Good enough for me to lock him up for a long time. And if he doesn't cooperate, fly in few US experts to make him talk. I'm almost certain a foreign intelligence service tipped Thais off with regard to phone calls. They record everything. It takes time to comb through the data. How are you almost certain of that? Thais don't have the means and sophisticated technology to collect and analyse all electronic and phone communications. The good old US of A and their buddies in Israel have! They are both heavily embedded in the land smiles.Sophisticated technology is not necessary. Every time you make a call you generate a Call Data Record (CDR) which contains info not only the source and destination numbers but your device id and which cell you are using. It all goes into a telcos database and a simple query of the cells around the Erawan Shrine at the known time will give you a short list of either internation sims, international devices or international destinations. Very easy to do. After all how do you think phone companies know how and where to charge you if they didn't collect this data? U dont need make call. Phones connects to towers and they get records from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwikeith Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Absolutely correct!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckamuck Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 How come RTP is not seeking the help of barstool investigators on TV This is a discussion about a news item. If you prefer news without the punter commentary why are you here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOTIRIOS Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 ...and he gained entry to Thailand with that passport....???? ...as for the guy with the glasses...completely different bone structure.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rizla Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 The locals around his flat area are saying on thai social media that he has been selling Roti and the likes for ages, just another twist.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael8511 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Maybe you guys should leave your shift at the bar and go and he,p with the investigation since you know what to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew65 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Maybe the Erawan bomber was wearing some kind of disguise that day. But to my eyes, the guy caught today as shown doesn't seem to much resemble the suspected Erawan bomber shown in the blurry CCTV photos. Or at least he certainly got a hair cut between then and now. The police may indeed have caught someone involved in the bomb plot. But whether this guy is the one who actually did the Erawan bombing is an entirely different issue. Agreed, from the CCTV that I saw, you couldn't ID the person. I don't know where they got the image of who they are looking for. From the CCTV, I could make out black hair, yellow T-shirt, dark shorts. No facial features. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lite Beer Posted August 30, 2015 Author Share Posted August 30, 2015 Police believe bomb suspect plans more attacks: PrawutThe Nation BANGKOK: -- Police believe the bomb suspect who was arrested Saturday was planning to launch more attacks, Police spokesman Lt Gen Prawut Thawornsiri said Saturday."The bomb making materials found in his room were similar to those used in the earlier attacks," Prawut said."The fuse igniters found in the room were the same type used in the Sathorn pier bombing. From the evidences, the suspect was apparently planning more attacks."He added that record of phone usage of the suspect showed that he had been to places, which were key locations in the bombing incidents. Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/Police-believe-bomb-suspect-plans-more-attacks-Pra-30267764.html -- The Nation 2015-08-30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 How are you almost certain of that? Thais don't have the means and sophisticated technology to collect and analyse all electronic and phone communications. The good old US of A and their buddies in Israel have! They are both heavily embedded in the land smiles.Sophisticated technology is not necessary. Every time you make a call you generate a Call Data Record (CDR) which contains info not only the source and destination numbers but your device id and which cell you are using. It all goes into a telcos database and a simple query of the cells around the Erawan Shrine at the known time will give you a short list of either internation sims, international devices or international destinations. Very easy to do. After all how do you think phone companies know how and where to charge you if they didn't collect this data? Still pretty good sleuthing to pick out SIM activity for three Turkish SIMS from maybe dozens of Chinese SIM activity and hundreds of totally innocent Thai SIM activity at Erawan that night though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7by7 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 From the BBC Officers say the suspect, who was charged with illegal possession of weapons, was involved in the attack.However, they say he is not the man seen on CCTV footage leaving a bag at the Erawan Shrine before the explosion (7by7 emphasis) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 I The locals around his flat area are saying on thai social media that he has been selling Roti and the likes for ages, just another twist..Roti huh. Must be a Muslim then.... Lol.I guess it's lucky he didn't sell somtaam, sushi or burgers or they would be really confused Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Apologist Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Renting multiple rooms in the same block in a Muslim area of the city is suspicious. Having multiple fake Turkish passports is more than suspicious. I wander if this fellow was part of a set up to move Uighurs fleeing China to Turkey? Some sort of underground route would have become necessary once Thailand started returning them to China. The Chinese security services would probably have known about it. I don't suppose they would mind on what pretext it was closed down. This chap would have been in the wrong place, doing the wrong thing at the wrong time. Just a thought.... The wrong thing at the wrong time; like, having pipes capped at both ends, ball bearings matching the bombs used, etc? They have one of the bombers here. I've never been a junta supporter since the coup, but I'm not willing to dismiss the capture of a person obviously involved in a horrific act of violence. It's not 'the wrong place at the wrong time' - would you have matching bomb making materials in your home, if you were smuggling refugees? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 From the BBC Officers say the suspect, who was charged with illegal possession of weapons, was involved in the attack. However, they say he is not the man seen on CCTV footage leaving a bag at the Erawan Shrine before the explosion (7by7 emphasis) I reckon most of us got that around page 30 of this thread. Thanks for letting us know the BEEB is up to speed though. Who is that other guy they have misreporting these days? I first saw him on the telly the morning after the Erawan event and he was absolutely hopeless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lopchan Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Definitely you eyesight needs a check Bob...look at the last picture "These are items any average household has."Oh yes, the average house has a canvas vest similar to suicide bombers and loads of 1.5mm ball bearings lying around. Why just yesterday my wife said "Darling, we need to go to Tesco, we're running low on ball bearings" RT@RichardBarrow: Photos of some of the “evidence” found in the apartment of the suspected bomber - RT @sataporn_pptv: http://t.co/4qMBGZliOP #ThailandI sure hope they found more evidence than this.These are items any average household has. I dont see a canvas vest nor ball bearings in those pictures. Maybe its my eyesight... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Apologist Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 I haven't been a junta/Prayut supporter, since the coup. Many things about it are troubling to me. But I still find the constant, across the board dismissmals of every action Thai authorities make - especially in a case like this - bordering on pure bigotry. At best, arrogant childishness by commenters. Of course this person was involved. I believe he had these things in his possession, and that they match the crime. Just because I've disagreed with the new government, doesn't mean that Thai's have no caring about people, or real interest in stopping people like this. That's childish. One person writing above, 'Sounds like he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time' - please. This is obviously one of the guys,. And if that doesn't fit the narrative you hoped for, then just grow up and deal with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oziex1 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 I may have missed something but what happened to the second device defused at the scene, little mentioned about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 How are you almost certain of that? Thais don't have the means and sophisticated technology to collect and analyse all electronic and phone communications. The good old US of A and their buddies in Israel have! They are both heavily embedded in the land smiles. Sophisticated technology is not necessary. Every time you make a call you generate a Call Data Record (CDR) which contains info not only the source and destination numbers but your device id and which cell you are using. It all goes into a telcos database and a simple query of the cells around the Erawan Shrine at the known time will give you a short list of either internation sims, international devices or international destinations. Very easy to do. After all how do you think phone companies know how and where to charge you if they didn't collect this data? Still pretty good sleuthing to pick out SIM activity for three Turkish SIMS from maybe dozens of Chinese SIM activity and hundreds of totally innocent Thai SIM activity at Erawan that night though.[/quote And why would they have Turkish SIM's, if they were in the country for a while why wouldn't they have local SIM's - Unless of course they flew in for the job in which case they have already left the country - and if in fact they identified 3 Turkish SIM's have they contacted the Turkish companies for information. Maybe just more smoke and mirrors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geronimo Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Where is Nong Jok? Near Minburi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Haggis Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Come on guys, give them some credit. Whether this guy was involved or not, he was caught with over 200 hundred fake passports and bomb equipment at his apartment. Good enough for me to lock him up for a long time. And if he doesn't cooperate, fly in few US experts to make him talk. I'm almost certain a foreign intelligence service tipped Thais off with regard to phone calls. They record everything. It takes time to comb through the data. How are you almost certain of that? Thais don't have the means and sophisticated technology to collect and analyse all electronic and phone communications. That's not quite true they've been paying for an agency to gather it for them, plus the Junta rudely interrupted a meeting between the RTP and an Israeli electronic surveillance demonstration team. If they've made claims about the use of LINE for all the alleged red shirts they've caught I'd suggest they very much have the means Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM07 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 How come RTP is not seeking the help of barstool investigators on TV Oh, you mean with helpful comments, like that one guy, who over and over said, that the suspect is 100% not Turkish, because he doesn;t look like it!? ....wait a minute.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eppic Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 In law enforcement, it's called an "orgy of evidence." Coos go to arrest someone and all the evidence and more is lying out in the open. It happens in the movies, but not in real life. They are such poor liars. Congratulations on watching the movie "Minority Report" which has been on repeat on TrueVisions this week. You took the "orgy of evidence" line and evidence in open reference directly from Colin Farrell's character in that movie. At least you get your impressive detective skills from a pretty decent movie (which I happened to re-watch yesterday on TV) rather than "Blue Bloods" Anyone doubting this just google "orgy of evidence" and see what comes up [hint: Minority Report, circa 2002]. Well done, truly. Meanwhile, as someone that grew up as the son of a prison official, I can promise you that most criminals are in the slammer because --- they are freakin' idiots. Plus, isn't it just POSSIBLE that they would plant another bomb, and in that case would need the additional materials? I look forward to hearing what "Minority Report" has to say about that possibility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmine6 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Backpack guy has a sharply defined right calf muscle like this guy does. Visible by zooming in on the surveillance photo. But backpack guy also seems to have less leg hair or paler skin. I don't think this guy shaved and then had it grow back that fast, unless he just trimmed it so it was less apparent. Face and legs seem to be similar color in surveillance photo, but different in the guy arrested. Though his face is lit and lower body in shadow so maybe just looks that way from the photo. Leg shape is similar looking. His individual features match the composite as well. Could be something like the older brother since they seem to be saying he's not the bomber for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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