webfact Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 UN strongly approves Palestinian proposal to raise flagCARA ANNA, Associated PressEDITH M. LEDERER, Associated PressUNITED NATIONS (AP) — The U.N. General Assembly has overwhelmingly approved the Palestinians' proposal to raise their flag, along with that of the Holy See, at U.N. headquarters — a symbolic step in the Palestinians' pursuit of statehood.Israel has strongly objected to the proposal, and it joined seven other countries, including the United States, in voting "no"; 119 nations voted "yes" and 45 abstained.The resolution allows non-member observer states to raise their flags. The Palestinians and the Vatican are the only two observers. The Holy See has backed away from the effort, saying it will not raise its flag before Pope Francis visits the U.N. later this month.The Palestinians say they would like President Mahmoud Abbas to raise their flag after he addresses the General Assembly's gathering of world leaders Sept. 30.The U.N. says it will be guided by the non-binding vote. The resolution allows 20 days for implementation.Palestinian Ambassador Riyad Mansour has said he expected an "overwhelming majority" of states to support the resolution. Israel's U.N. Ambassador Ron Prosor has called the move a "blatant attempt to hijack the U.N."The Palestinians' supporters had hoped that no nation would block the proposal and risk offending the Vatican on the eve of the pope's first U.S. and U.N. visit. The flags would join those of the U.N.'s 193 member states outside the world body's headquarters. Holes for additional flagpoles already exist.Many states have shown support for the Palestinians' pursuit of statehood, including the Holy See. In May, the Vatican officially recognized the state of Palestine in their first formal, bilateral treaty.But the Holy See asked that it not be named in this U.N. resolution. Archbishop Bernardito Auza, the Vatican's U.N. ambassador, told reporters Wednesday that the Holy See didn't object to the Palestinian proposal but that "we have generally different priorities."The United States and Israel oppose recognizing a Palestinian state, arguing that it undermines efforts to negotiate a peace agreement. That process, however, has largely been at a standstill since the deadly conflict in Gaza a year ago."This vote is not a vote for the status quo," U.S. Ambassador Samantha Power told the General Assembly just before the vote. Canada, Australia and several small island states also voted "no," while some European countries like Germany abstained.Mansour has told reporters that the flag-raising would "keep hope alive" for Palestinians.But Prosor, in his final speech at the U.N., said just after the vote that the real question is whether the U.N. would "raise a white flag" and surrender its principles. He also said he would like to one day see the leaders of Israel and a Palestinian state raise their flags together.Some 135 countries — the vast majority in Asia, Africa and Latin America — recognize the state of Palestine.In late 2012, the General Assembly voted overwhelmingly, 138 in favor and nine against, to upgrade the Palestinians' status at the U.N. to non-member observer state. -- (c) Associated Press 2015-09-11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seastallion Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 "Israel's U.N. Ambassador Ron Prosor has called the move a "blatant attempt to hijack the U.N."" Lol, and pressuring the US to use it's UNSC veto in any matter concerning the benefit of Palestine isn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johna Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 I am happy to hear that Palestine will raise their flag at the UN, but a recent UN report says Israeli aggression towards a Palestinian state will make Gaza uninhabited by the year 2020. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDgaXd0dRgw&feature=em-uploademail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khwaibah Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 We could raise the confederate flag along side of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 (edited) We could raise the confederate flag along side of it. Right next door to the flag of Vulgaria - another fictional "country". Edited September 11, 2015 by Ulysses G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezzra Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Raise as many flags as you want, the facts that the Palestinians doesn't want peace is undisputed, the have turned down a very viable peace settlements twice, Arafat thought he was smart, in the end he's dead and his people still live in shitholes. The Palestinians authorities and Hamas, doesn't want peace, they happy to be the pitiful rag tag people that they are, happy to suck on UN;s funding for 100 years more, while they live in opulent houses and enjoy the good life, and da hell with the rest of the Palestinians.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezzra Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 "Israel's U.N. Ambassador Ron Prosor has called the move a "blatant attempt to hijack the U.N."" Lol, and pressuring the US to use it's UNSC veto in any matter concerning the benefit of Palestine isn't? Tis is why the US will never withdraw it's veto... Palestinian Authority (PA) Prime Minister Rami Hamdallah did not tell the visiting U.S. Congressmen that the $4.5 billion the Americans invested in promoting Palestinian democracy went down the drain or ended up in secret Swiss bank accounts. Nor did he tell the Congressman that the Palestinians do not have a functioning parliament or a free media under the PA in the West Bank or under Hamas in the Gaza Strip. And, of course, Hamdallah never told the Congressman that for Palestinians, presidential and parliamentary elections remain a remote dream. The refusal of the international community back then to hold Arafat accountable was the main reason a majority of Palestinians were driven into the open arms of Hamas. Palestinians saw no improvement in their living conditions, mainly as a result of the PA's corruption. That is why they turned to Hamas, which promised them change, reform and an end to financial corruption. You can read more here... http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6353/palestinians-us-aid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dexterm Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 (edited) "Israel's U.N. Ambassador Ron Prosor has called the move a "blatant attempt to hijack the U.N."" Lol, and pressuring the US to use it's UNSC veto in any matter concerning the benefit of Palestine isn't? Tis is why the US will never withdraw it's veto... Palestinian Authority (PA) Prime Minister Rami Hamdallah did not tell the visiting U.S. Congressmen that the $4.5 billion the Americans invested in promoting Palestinian democracy went down the drain or ended up in secret Swiss bank accounts. Nor did he tell the Congressman that the Palestinians do not have a functioning parliament or a free media under the PA in the West Bank or under Hamas in the Gaza Strip. And, of course, Hamdallah never told the Congressman that for Palestinians, presidential and parliamentary elections remain a remote dream. The refusal of the international community back then to hold Arafat accountable was the main reason a majority of Palestinians were driven into the open arms of Hamas. Palestinians saw no improvement in their living conditions, mainly as a result of the PA's corruption. That is why they turned to Hamas, which promised them change, reform and an end to financial corruption. You can read more here... http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6353/palestinians-us-aid Who'd want to read more of this drivel. Please use credible sources. The Gatestone Institute is a rabid Zionist propaganda machine. Just look at its contributors... John Bolton is its chairman...Fox Noise's regular Israeli apologist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatestone_Institute However much the Palestinian demonizers on this forum try to deny Palestinians a voice in their future, you are wasting your time. The world is now aware of the great Israeli hoax...hence the vote in the UN 119 votes for 8 against (incl Israel and USA..no surprise there). 70% of the world's population recognize the State of Palestine with more to follow. Raising the Palestinian flag at the UN is symbolic and a harbinger of full UN recognition. Edited September 11, 2015 by dexterm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dexterm Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 (edited) Raise as many flags as you want, the facts that the Palestinians doesn't want peace is undisputed, the have turned down a very viable peace settlements twice, Arafat thought he was smart, in the end he's dead and his people still live in shitholes, The Palestinians authorities and Hamas, doesn't want peace, they happy to be the pitiful rag tag people that they are, happy to suck on UN;s funding for 100 years more, while they live in opulent houses and enjoy the good life, and da hell with the rest of the Palestinians.... I dispute it, and so does 70% of the world's countries. Israel could have peace tomorrow if it ended its illegal occupation of 4.5 million Palestinians. Give Palestinians the right to self determination in their own viable state or give them equal citizenship. Simple as that. Enough of the Zionist greed for more land. Time is on the side of the Palestinians. The tide is turning against Israel. raising the Palestinian flag outside the UN is a sign of that progress. Good news. Edited September 11, 2015 by dexterm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FangFerang Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 (edited) There is so much BS on both sides of this issue it is laughable. One fact always bothers me. During a brokering of a peace accord, Israeli forces enetered mosques armed and sparked the infitada (anyone remember that, anyone?). The infitada was widely reported in US media, but the reason it happened only surfaced in the UK press. What the devil is that? It was deliberate provocation that derailed any peace agreement. The Palestinians are not helping matters by constant rounds of rocket attacks and a failed attempt at governance./ Both sides should sit down, hammer out an agreement, and make it stick. Edited September 11, 2015 by FangFerang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMuddle Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 I'm ashamed that the UK abstained on this vote, but good to see another one in the eye of the jews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABCer Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 (edited) "A blatant attempt to hijack UN" - in your dream. This organisation has been hijacked decades ago. And nobody has noticed its practical absence. UN has outlived its use, its purpose and its principles. A bunch of corrupt greedy travelers in time from the past. United Nations by definition must be a body representing Nations whose impact on the World is substantial. Irrespective of whether Palestine is a Nation(?) or a country(?) - what is its contribution to the World? Terrorism, dependency, cowardice, corruption... just about all. Edited September 11, 2015 by ABCer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonmarleesco Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Hardly a surprise that Israel would object. And the US is forever in hock to the Jewish vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Send me a memo when Palestine is actually a state rather than a make believe state. I see no reason why anyone is getting excited about this flag of a nation that doesn't exist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabothai Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 (edited) The Palestinians have the same right to raise their flag as have other nations on this planet included the US and Israel. Who is to say they cannot. Palestine will be a state whether the bullies like it or not. The world has spoken. Edited September 11, 2015 by wabothai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up-country_sinclair Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 I see no reason why anyone is getting excited about this flag of a nation that doesn't exist I wonder if you'll have the same attitude about the Israeli flag in 20 or 30 years time should Israel become a nation that doesn't exist. There are many examples of countries and flags that ended up on the scrap heap of history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 "Israel's U.N. Ambassador Ron Prosor has called the move a "blatant attempt to hijack the U.N."" Lol, and pressuring the US to use it's UNSC veto in any matter concerning the benefit of Palestine isn't? Tis is why the US will never withdraw it's veto... Palestinian Authority (PA) Prime Minister Rami Hamdallah did not tell the visiting U.S. Congressmen that the $4.5 billion the Americans invested in promoting Palestinian democracy went down the drain or ended up in secret Swiss bank accounts. Nor did he tell the Congressman that the Palestinians do not have a functioning parliament or a free media under the PA in the West Bank or under Hamas in the Gaza Strip. And, of course, Hamdallah never told the Congressman that for Palestinians, presidential and parliamentary elections remain a remote dream. The refusal of the international community back then to hold Arafat accountable was the main reason a majority of Palestinians were driven into the open arms of Hamas. Palestinians saw no improvement in their living conditions, mainly as a result of the PA's corruption. That is why they turned to Hamas, which promised them change, reform and an end to financial corruption. You can read more here... http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6353/palestinians-us-aid The Gatestone Institute is a rabid Zionist propaganda machine. The Gatestone Institute is a think tank based in New York City. It is a nonpartisan, not-for-profit international policy council and think tank for international and domestic policy. Supporters of Islamic terrorists and Islamic terrorism despise it, but it has a good reputation with moderate left-wingers, centrists and those on the moderate right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeaconJohn Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Send me a memo when Palestine is actually a state rather than a make believe state. I see no reason why anyone is getting excited about this flag of a nation that doesn't exist The memo may be arriving sooner than you expect. The 'make believe state' is the dream of Eretz Israel, not Palestine. Palestine exists already, along with millions of Palestinians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael8511 Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 I'm happy that finally Palestine will be recognized. It's long overdue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 I'm happy that finally Palestine will be recognized. It's long overdueWhat are the borders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 There are NONE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dexterm Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 I'm happy that finally Palestine will be recognized. It's long overdueWhat are the borders? Where are Israel's borders? That's the whole problem. They have never defined them and they keep advancing forever encroaching on Palestinian land. End the occupation of 4.5 million Palestinians, get back to the 67 borders, and leave the Palestinians in peace. Israel gets to keep all the land it stole in 1948. Isn't that enough for the rapacious Zionists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Israel could have peace tomorrow if it ended its illegal occupation of 4.5 million Palestinians. What utter nonsense. "If the Arabs were to lay down their weapons tomorrow, there would be no war. If Israel were to lay down theirs, there would be no Israel." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dexterm Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 There are NONE. Nonsense. The whole Arab world (Hamas included) and Iran have agreed to recognize Israel in its 67 borders before it started occupying the West Bank...a permanent, secure internationally recognized peace agreement, exchange of ambassadors, trade, tourism, the works. The deal has been on the table since 2002, and repeated in 2007. Read about it here.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Peace_Initiative Haniyeh: Hamas Willing to Accept Palestinian State With 1967 Borders Hamas leader in Gaza addressed group of European MPs who sailed to Strip to protest Israel's blockade. http://www.haaretz.com/news/haniyeh-hamas-willing-to-accept-palestinian-state-with-1967-borders-1.256915 Hamas’ Meshal Agrees for Palestinian State Based on 1967 Borders http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.614309 Israel in its greed for land wants more. Israel has a problem for every solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dexterm Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 (edited) Israel could have peace tomorrow if it ended its illegal occupation of 4.5 million Palestinians. What utter nonsense. "If the Arabs were to lay down their weapons tomorrow, there would be no war. If Israel were to lay down theirs, there would be no Israel." Neat sound bite but basically rubbish. That's an old chestnut over simplistic black/white fallacy. There are plenty of shades of gray in between to slowly build trust towards an eventual peace agreement. Israel should seriously discuss peace with the Palestinians for a just 2 state solution before they wake up one morning to a one state solution absorbing 4.5 million Palestinians as equal citizens. The Palestinian flag would then well and truly replace the Israeli one when Palestinians eventually out breed Israeli Jews. The population of occupied Palestinians is growing and the problem is not going to disappear as Israel has made it do so twice in the past by means of ethnic cleansing in 48 and 67. The whole world is watching this time. And from the OP flag recognition we can see which side the whole world is on. It is time Israel faced reality. Edited September 11, 2015 by dexterm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HughJass Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 I'm happy that finally Palestine will be recognized. It's long overdueWhat are the borders? depends how much land you think should be returned to its rightful owners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Turkey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lopchan Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 (edited) United Nations by definition must be a body representing Nations whose impact on the World is substantial. Irrespective of whether Palestine is a Nation(?) or a country(?) - what is its contribution to the World? Terrorism, dependency, cowardice, corruption... just about all. So what impact does Israel have on the world other than warmongering and US supported genocide of the Palestinians? The red highlighted part describes Israel to a tee. Edited September 12, 2015 by Rimmer Please do not alter a quote with coloured fonts as this is against forum rules, thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seastallion Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 I'm happy that finally Palestine will be recognized. It's long overdueWhat are the borders? Right there where Israel's border is. Shall we say the one defined when the state of Israel was created? Or the as-yet undefined one that Israel keeps pushing further and further into stolen occupied Palestinian lands? If it's not "the river to the sea", Israel at the very least wants to gain complete control of all the aquifers in Palestine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 An off-topic post has been removed. Stay on topic, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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