Palestine flag to be raised over UN

[webfact]

UN strongly approves Palestinian proposal to raise flag
CARA ANNA, Associated Press
EDITH M. LEDERER, Associated Press

UNITED NATIONS (AP) — The U.N. General Assembly has overwhelmingly approved the Palestinians' proposal to raise their flag, along with that of the Holy See, at U.N. headquarters — a symbolic step in the Palestinians' pursuit of statehood.

Israel has strongly objected to the proposal, and it joined seven other countries, including the United States, in voting "no"; 119 nations voted "yes" and 45 abstained.

The resolution allows non-member observer states to raise their flags. The Palestinians and the Vatican are the only two observers. The Holy See has backed away from the effort, saying it will not raise its flag before Pope Francis visits the U.N. later this month.

The Palestinians say they would like President Mahmoud Abbas to raise their flag after he addresses the General Assembly's gathering of world leaders Sept. 30.

The U.N. says it will be guided by the non-binding vote. The resolution allows 20 days for implementation.

Palestinian Ambassador Riyad Mansour has said he expected an "overwhelming majority" of states to support the resolution. Israel's U.N. Ambassador Ron Prosor has called the move a "blatant attempt to hijack the U.N."

The Palestinians' supporters had hoped that no nation would block the proposal and risk offending the Vatican on the eve of the pope's first U.S. and U.N. visit. The flags would join those of the U.N.'s 193 member states outside the world body's headquarters. Holes for additional flagpoles already exist.

Many states have shown support for the Palestinians' pursuit of statehood, including the Holy See. In May, the Vatican officially recognized the state of Palestine in their first formal, bilateral treaty.

But the Holy See asked that it not be named in this U.N. resolution. Archbishop Bernardito Auza, the Vatican's U.N. ambassador, told reporters Wednesday that the Holy See didn't object to the Palestinian proposal but that "we have generally different priorities."

The United States and Israel oppose recognizing a Palestinian state, arguing that it undermines efforts to negotiate a peace agreement. That process, however, has largely been at a standstill since the deadly conflict in Gaza a year ago.

"This vote is not a vote for the status quo," U.S. Ambassador Samantha Power told the General Assembly just before the vote. Canada, Australia and several small island states also voted "no," while some European countries like Germany abstained.

Mansour has told reporters that the flag-raising would "keep hope alive" for Palestinians.

But Prosor, in his final speech at the U.N., said just after the vote that the real question is whether the U.N. would "raise a white flag" and surrender its principles. He also said he would like to one day see the leaders of Israel and a Palestinian state raise their flags together.

Some 135 countries — the vast majority in Asia, Africa and Latin America — recognize the state of Palestine.

In late 2012, the General Assembly voted overwhelmingly, 138 in favor and nine against, to upgrade the Palestinians' status at the U.N. to non-member observer state.

-- (c) Associated Press 2015-09-11

[Seastallion]

"Israel's U.N. Ambassador Ron Prosor has called the move a "blatant attempt to hijack the U.N.""

Lol, and pressuring the US to use it's UNSC veto in any matter concerning the benefit of Palestine isn't?

[johna]

I am happy to hear that Palestine will raise their flag at the UN, but a recent UN report says Israeli aggression towards a Palestinian state will make Gaza uninhabited by the year 2020.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDgaXd0dRgw&feature=em-uploademail

[khwaibah]

We could raise the confederate flag along side of it.

[Ulysses G.]

We could raise the confederate flag along side of it.

Right next door to the flag of Vulgaria - another fictional "country".

Edited September 11, 2015 by Ulysses G.

[ezzra]

Raise as many flags as you want, the facts that the Palestinians doesn't want peace is undisputed, the have turned down a very viable peace settlements twice, Arafat thought he was smart, in the end he's dead and his people still live in shitholes.

The Palestinians authorities and Hamas, doesn't want peace, they happy to be the pitiful rag tag people that they are, happy to suck on UN;s funding for 100 years more, while they live in opulent houses and enjoy the good life, and da hell with the rest

of the Palestinians....

[ezzra]

"Israel's U.N. Ambassador Ron Prosor has called the move a "blatant attempt to hijack the U.N.""

Lol, and pressuring the US to use it's UNSC veto in any matter concerning the benefit of Palestine isn't?

Tis is why the US will never withdraw it's veto...

• Palestinian Authority (PA) Prime Minister Rami Hamdallah did not tell the visiting U.S. Congressmen that the $4.5 billion the Americans invested in promoting Palestinian democracy went down the drain or ended up in secret Swiss bank accounts. Nor did he tell the Congressman that the Palestinians do not have a functioning parliament or a free media under the PA in the West Bank or under Hamas in the Gaza Strip. And, of course, Hamdallah never told the Congressman that for Palestinians, presidential and parliamentary elections remain a remote dream.

• The refusal of the international community back then to hold Arafat accountable was the main reason a majority of Palestinians were driven into the open arms of Hamas. Palestinians saw no improvement in their living conditions, mainly as a result of the PA's corruption. That is why they turned to Hamas, which promised them change, reform and an end to financial corruption.

You can read more here...

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6353/palestinians-us-aid

[dexterm]

"Israel's U.N. Ambassador Ron Prosor has called the move a "blatant attempt to hijack the U.N.""

Lol, and pressuring the US to use it's UNSC veto in any matter concerning the benefit of Palestine isn't?

Tis is why the US will never withdraw it's veto...

• Palestinian Authority (PA) Prime Minister Rami Hamdallah did not tell the visiting U.S. Congressmen that the $4.5 billion the Americans invested in promoting Palestinian democracy went down the drain or ended up in secret Swiss bank accounts. Nor did he tell the Congressman that the Palestinians do not have a functioning parliament or a free media under the PA in the West Bank or under Hamas in the Gaza Strip. And, of course, Hamdallah never told the Congressman that for Palestinians, presidential and parliamentary elections remain a remote dream.

• The refusal of the international community back then to hold Arafat accountable was the main reason a majority of Palestinians were driven into the open arms of Hamas. Palestinians saw no improvement in their living conditions, mainly as a result of the PA's corruption. That is why they turned to Hamas, which promised them change, reform and an end to financial corruption.

You can read more here...

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6353/palestinians-us-aid

Who'd want to read more of this drivel. Please use credible sources.

The Gatestone Institute is a rabid Zionist propaganda machine. Just look at its contributors...

John Bolton is its chairman...Fox Noise's regular Israeli apologist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatestone_Institute

However much the Palestinian demonizers on this forum try to deny Palestinians a voice in their future, you are wasting your time. The world is now aware of the great Israeli hoax...hence the vote in the UN 119 votes for 8 against (incl Israel and USA..no surprise there).

70% of the world's population recognize the State of Palestine with more to follow. Raising the Palestinian flag at the UN is symbolic and a harbinger of full UN recognition.

Edited September 11, 2015 by dexterm

[dexterm]

Raise as many flags as you want, the facts that the Palestinians doesn't want peace is undisputed, the have turned down

a very viable peace settlements twice, Arafat thought he was smart, in the end he's dead and his people still live in shitholes,

The Palestinians authorities and Hamas, doesn't want peace, they happy to be the pitiful rag tag people that they are, happy to suck

on UN;s funding for 100 years more, while they live in opulent houses and enjoy the good life, and da hell with the rest

of the Palestinians....

I dispute it, and so does 70% of the world's countries.

Israel could have peace tomorrow if it ended its illegal occupation of 4.5 million Palestinians. Give Palestinians the right to self determination in their own viable state or give them equal citizenship. Simple as that. Enough of the Zionist greed for more land.

Time is on the side of the Palestinians. The tide is turning against Israel. raising the Palestinian flag outside the UN is a sign of that progress. Good news.

Edited September 11, 2015 by dexterm

[FangFerang]

There is so much BS on both sides of this issue it is laughable. One fact always bothers me. During a brokering of a peace accord, Israeli forces enetered mosques armed and sparked the infitada (anyone remember that, anyone?). The infitada was widely reported in US media, but the reason it happened only surfaced in the UK press.

What the devil is that?

It was deliberate provocation that derailed any peace agreement.

The Palestinians are not helping matters by constant rounds of rocket attacks and a failed attempt at governance./

Both sides should sit down, hammer out an agreement, and make it stick.

Edited September 11, 2015 by FangFerang

[MrMuddle]

I'm ashamed that the UK abstained on this vote, but good to see another one in the eye of the jews.

[ABCer]

"A blatant attempt to hijack UN" - in your dream. This organisation has been hijacked decades ago. And nobody has noticed its practical absence.

UN has outlived its use, its purpose and its principles. A bunch of corrupt greedy travelers in time from the past.

United Nations by definition must be a body representing Nations whose impact on the World is substantial.

Irrespective of whether Palestine is a Nation(?) or a country(?) - what is its contribution to the World? Terrorism, dependency, cowardice, corruption... just about all.

Edited September 11, 2015 by ABCer

[Jonmarleesco]

Hardly a surprise that Israel would object. And the US is forever in hock to the Jewish vote.

[Jingthing]

Send me a memo when Palestine is actually a state rather than a make believe state. I see no reason why anyone is getting excited about this flag of a nation that doesn't exist

[wabothai]

The Palestinians have the same right to raise their flag as have other nations on this planet included the US and Israel.

Who is to say they cannot.

Palestine will be a state whether the bullies like it or not.

The world has spoken.

Edited September 11, 2015 by wabothai

[up-country_sinclair]

I see no reason why anyone is getting excited about this flag of a nation that doesn't exist

I wonder if you'll have the same attitude about the Israeli flag in 20 or 30 years time should Israel become a nation that doesn't exist. There are many examples of countries and flags that ended up on the scrap heap of history.

[Ulysses G.]

"Israel's U.N. Ambassador Ron Prosor has called the move a "blatant attempt to hijack the U.N.""

Lol, and pressuring the US to use it's UNSC veto in any matter concerning the benefit of Palestine isn't?

Tis is why the US will never withdraw it's veto...

• Palestinian Authority (PA) Prime Minister Rami Hamdallah did not tell the visiting U.S. Congressmen that the $4.5 billion the Americans invested in promoting Palestinian democracy went down the drain or ended up in secret Swiss bank accounts. Nor did he tell the Congressman that the Palestinians do not have a functioning parliament or a free media under the PA in the West Bank or under Hamas in the Gaza Strip. And, of course, Hamdallah never told the Congressman that for Palestinians, presidential and parliamentary elections remain a remote dream.

• The refusal of the international community back then to hold Arafat accountable was the main reason a majority of Palestinians were driven into the open arms of Hamas. Palestinians saw no improvement in their living conditions, mainly as a result of the PA's corruption. That is why they turned to Hamas, which promised them change, reform and an end to financial corruption.

You can read more here...

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6353/palestinians-us-aid

The Gatestone Institute is a rabid Zionist propaganda machine.

The Gatestone Institute is a think tank based in New York City. It is a nonpartisan, not-for-profit international policy council and think tank for international and domestic policy. Supporters of Islamic terrorists and Islamic terrorism despise it, but it has a good reputation with moderate left-wingers, centrists and those on the moderate right.

[DeaconJohn]

Send me a memo when Palestine is actually a state rather than a make believe state. I see no reason why anyone is getting excited about this flag of a nation that doesn't exist

The memo may be arriving sooner than you expect.

The 'make believe state' is the dream of Eretz Israel, not Palestine.

Palestine exists already, along with millions of Palestinians.

[Michael8511]

I'm happy that finally Palestine will be recognized. It's long overdue

[Jingthing]

I'm happy that finally Palestine will be recognized. It's long overdue

What are the borders?

[Ulysses G.]

There are NONE.

[dexterm]

I'm happy that finally Palestine will be recognized. It's long overdue

What are the borders?

Where are Israel's borders? That's the whole problem. They have never defined them and they keep advancing forever encroaching on Palestinian land.

End the occupation of 4.5 million Palestinians, get back to the 67 borders, and leave the Palestinians in peace. Israel gets to keep all the land it stole in 1948. Isn't that enough for the rapacious Zionists?

[Ulysses G.]

Israel could have peace tomorrow if it ended its illegal occupation of 4.5 million Palestinians.

What utter nonsense.

"If the Arabs were to lay down their weapons tomorrow, there would be no war. If Israel were to lay down theirs, there would be no Israel."

[dexterm]

There are NONE.

Nonsense. The whole Arab world (Hamas included) and Iran have agreed to recognize Israel in its 67 borders before it started occupying the West Bank...a permanent, secure internationally recognized peace agreement, exchange of ambassadors, trade, tourism, the works. The deal has been on the table since 2002, and repeated in 2007. Read about it here..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Peace_Initiative

Haniyeh: Hamas Willing to Accept Palestinian State With 1967 Borders

Hamas leader in Gaza addressed group of European MPs who sailed to Strip to protest Israel's blockade.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/haniyeh-hamas-willing-to-accept-palestinian-state-with-1967-borders-1.256915

Hamas’ Meshal Agrees for Palestinian State Based on 1967 Borders

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.614309

Israel in its greed for land wants more. Israel has a problem for every solution.

[dexterm]

Israel could have peace tomorrow if it ended its illegal occupation of 4.5 million Palestinians.

What utter nonsense.

"If the Arabs were to lay down their weapons tomorrow, there would be no war. If Israel were to lay down theirs, there would be no Israel."

Neat sound bite but basically rubbish. That's an old chestnut over simplistic black/white fallacy. There are plenty of shades of gray in between to slowly build trust towards an eventual peace agreement.

Israel should seriously discuss peace with the Palestinians for a just 2 state solution before they wake up one morning to a one state solution absorbing 4.5 million Palestinians as equal citizens. The Palestinian flag would then well and truly replace the Israeli one when Palestinians eventually out breed Israeli Jews.

The population of occupied Palestinians is growing and the problem is not going to disappear as Israel has made it do so twice in the past by means of ethnic cleansing in 48 and 67. The whole world is watching this time. And from the OP flag recognition we can see which side the whole world is on.

It is time Israel faced reality.

Edited September 11, 2015 by dexterm

[HughJass]

I'm happy that finally Palestine will be recognized. It's long overdue

What are the borders?

depends how much land you think should be returned to its rightful owners

[Jingthing]

Turkey?

[Lopchan]

United Nations by definition must be a body representing Nations whose impact on the World is substantial.

Irrespective of whether Palestine is a Nation(?) or a country(?) - what is its contribution to the World? Terrorism, dependency, cowardice, corruption... just about all.

So what impact does Israel have on the world other than warmongering and US supported genocide of the Palestinians?

The red highlighted part describes Israel to a tee.

Edited September 12, 2015 by Rimmer
Please do not alter a quote with coloured fonts as this is against forum rules, thank you

[Seastallion]

I'm happy that finally Palestine will be recognized. It's long overdue

What are the borders?

Right there where Israel's border is. Shall we say the one defined when the state of Israel was created? Or the as-yet undefined one that Israel keeps pushing further and further into stolen occupied Palestinian lands?

If it's not "the river to the sea", Israel at the very least wants to gain complete control of all the aquifers in Palestine.

[Scott]

An off-topic post has been removed. Stay on topic, please.