speedtripler Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 He's been in charge 18 months. It's time to own your own problems. Stop looking back, start looking forwards. And stop whining all the time like a spoiled kid. the problem is that the peole he is referring to are still very much players and lets face it - they shouldn't be very easy to point the finger at the PM and say he is not running a democracy (true) but the reality is it is the only way effective changes will ever be accomplished, past democratic elected governments have shown how ineffective they are over decades of theiving - power abuse - and corruption and have failed to do anything about it - why should they, they are all enriching themselves, although the current solution is not ideal I honestly don't see any alternative, politicians in this country cannot be trusted (fact) so the only way to ensure they do what they were elected to do is to introduce stiff boundaries, rules, agencies, and laws that hold people in office to account and for the time being restrict them until such times they can be trusted youd have to restrict them forever though not many thais would refuse an envelope of crispy new 1000 baht notes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominique355 Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 He's been in charge 18 months. It's time to own your own problems. Stop looking back, start looking forwards. And stop whining all the time like a spoiled kid. the problem is that the peole he is referring to are still very much players and lets face it - they shouldn't be very easy to point the finger at the PM and say he is not running a democracy (true) but the reality is it is the only way effective changes will ever be accomplished, past democratic elected governments have shown how ineffective they are over decades of theiving - power abuse - and corruption and have failed to do anything about it - why should they, they are all enriching themselves, although the current solution is not ideal I honestly don't see any alternative, politicians in this country cannot be trusted (fact) so the only way to ensure they do what they were elected to do is to introduce stiff boundaries, rules, agencies, and laws that hold people in office to account and for the time being restrict them until such times they can be trusted And what are his accomplishments with absolute power and almost a year and a half in charge? Let's see... - reducing the price of the lottery ticket to 80 baht - stripping a fugitive criminal ex-policeman of his rank - err ... anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benmart Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 "A good leader takes a little more than his share of the blame, a little less than his share of the credit". Arnold H. Glasow "Better than a thousand hollow words, is one word that brings peace." Lord Buddha Someone may benefit from reading and heeded and passing it on to the numerous, bemedalled cronies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LannaGuy Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 He's been in charge 18 months. It's time to own your own problems. Stop looking back, start looking forwards. And stop whining all the time like a spoiled kid. the problem is that the peole he is referring to are still very much players and lets face it - they shouldn't be very easy to point the finger at the PM and say he is not running a democracy (true) but the reality is it is the only way effective changes will ever be accomplished, past democratic elected governments have shown how ineffective they are over decades of theiving - power abuse - and corruption and have failed to do anything about it - why should they, they are all enriching themselves, although the current solution is not ideal I honestly don't see any alternative, politicians in this country cannot be trusted (fact) so the only way to ensure they do what they were elected to do is to introduce stiff boundaries, rules, agencies, and laws that hold people in office to account and for the time being restrict them until such times they can be trusted And what are his accomplishments with absolute power and almost a year and a half in charge? Let's see... - reducing the price of the lottery ticket to 80 baht - stripping a fugitive criminal ex-policeman of his rank - err ... anyone? uhmm... - ebola cure? - Friday happiness chit-chats? - early bar closures? - attitude adjustment centres? yes happiness all round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxLee Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 (edited) "Prayut blames political leaders for problems" Then arrest those A$$$$e$$$, lock'em all up and let'em rot to hell.... But no you just give those nasty nasty kids attitude adjustments, a slap on the wrist and let them walk away with a smile in hope they will never ever dever do it again... Edited September 19, 2015 by MaxLee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcsmith Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 (edited) He's been in charge 18 months. It's time to own your own problems. Stop looking back, start looking forwards. And stop whining all the time like a spoiled kid. the problem is that the peole he is referring to are still very much players and lets face it - they shouldn't be very easy to point the finger at the PM and say he is not running a democracy (true) but the reality is it is the only way effective changes will ever be accomplished, past democratic elected governments have shown how ineffective they are over decades of theiving - power abuse - and corruption and have failed to do anything about it - why should they, they are all enriching themselves, although the current solution is not ideal I honestly don't see any alternative, politicians in this country cannot be trusted (fact) so the only way to ensure they do what they were elected to do is to introduce stiff boundaries, rules, agencies, and laws that hold people in office to account and for the time being restrict them until such times they can be trusted The problem is that the military is so quick to step in. Not when it comes to protests that they support, but when it comes to them regrabbing power. In the majority fo the civilized world the military's role is to support the government. In Thailand it is not. They decide whether or not they want to offer support, and then take control when they personally feel it is necessary. The military in this country is a huge part of the problem. Another large part is the fact that it is so easy to organize protests by paying protestors. Edited September 19, 2015 by jcsmith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KamalaRider Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 Are coups treason? Not unless they fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soalbundy Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 "betrayal of the voters' trust" okok Mr. Perfect He cant be accused of that, nobody voted for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorn Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 He's been in charge 18 months. It's time to own your own problems. Stop looking back, start looking forwards. And stop whining all the time like a spoiled kid. the problem is that the peole he is referring to are still very much players and lets face it - they shouldn't be very easy to point the finger at the PM and say he is not running a democracy (true) but the reality is it is the only way effective changes will ever be accomplished, past democratic elected governments have shown how ineffective they are over decades of theiving - power abuse - and corruption and have failed to do anything about it - why should they, they are all enriching themselves, although the current solution is not ideal I honestly don't see any alternative, politicians in this country cannot be trusted (fact) so the only way to ensure they do what they were elected to do is to introduce stiff boundaries, rules, agencies, and laws that hold people in office to account and for the time being restrict them until such times they can be trusted And what are his accomplishments with absolute power and almost a year and a half in charge? Let's see... - reducing the price of the lottery ticket to 80 baht - stripping a fugitive criminal ex-policeman of his rank - err ... anyone? It's not just about how little he has done in the last 18 months. His faction have been in charge of the military for many years and what progress has there been to stop corruption there? We've all seen the amazing wealth these guys have accumulated. And we still hear of military checkpoints collecting the same tea money that the police do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronwparker Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 The ex General blames every oneand every country but himself and Thailand! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phycokiller Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 (edited) far too cryptic for me, if you want to change something you have to be able to say what it is, maybe it was meant as a veiled threat to someone but its too abstract to be acted on or taken seriously in any way I mean countries run on rule of law, not random ideas that could mean anything, unless they are dictatorships, which of course in this case its not Edited September 19, 2015 by phycokiller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronwparker Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 Don't yo u also want to blame the foreigners while you're at it. He has already done a lot of that ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mot Dang Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 Don't you also want to blame the foreigners while you're at it. Yes of course. Since 1984 when the first "Amazing Thailand" campaign started, us foreigners started bringing our corrupting money into the country. We accidentally created the tourist industry, bringing all kinds of corruption with us. Once under the influence, successive Thai administrations adopted our own governments practices. Corruption was a new concept for Thailand. Sorry about that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emster23 Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen" -Harry S. Truman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatsujin Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 "If the government uses its power in the wrong way, the act should be considered treason. It is betrayal of the people's trust. These bad individuals never want to take responsibility for their actions and they never truly want to commit to the people." He's not wrong ... but he does need to take a long, hard look in the mirror one day ... and then see if he can say that again with a straight face ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yann55 Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 (edited) Quote : "They should use the power according to the intentions of people who voted for them. The people trust them to run the country and bring an improved standard of living to the people". He is right, it's called democracy. The problem is, it exists only on paper. That's why i find it exasperating to read again and again the same pointless phrase, as recently happened with the diplomat who infuriated the General, and justly so, because a diplomat is not a journalist and if a diplomat doesn't understand that, then he should not do that job. The chant goes : "he/they should restore democracy in this country", but to restore something implies that it was there before. What was here, however, had so very little to do with democracy. The people had a right to vote, yes, but for whom ? for a self appointed 'elite' (strictly meaning rich guys, education, manners and ethics being totally optional), cynical big shots (on either side) whose agenda had nothing to do with the people's or the country's needs, and didn't care a bit. Votes were for sale, directly or indirectly (via the village heads) and corruption at all levels turned the whole system into a pathetic farce. Restoring the right to vote in such a system would solve absolutely nothing. This Forum is full of people who are happy to lash out at the General, or at Thaksin and consorts for that matter, but no one has the faintest idea how to start mending a system that was so utterly damaged, and in such a context the expression 'restore democracy' sounds like Marie-Antoinette (allegedly) saying "the people don't have bread ? well, then they should eat croissants'. Edited September 19, 2015 by Yann55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostoday Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 Quote : "They should use the power according to the intentions of people who voted for them. The people trust them to run the country and bring an improved standard of living to the people". He is right, it's called democracy. The problem is, it exists only on paper. That's why i find it exasperating to read again and again the same pointless phrase, as recently happened with the diplomat who infuriated the General, and justly so, because a diplomat is not a journalist and if a diplomat doesn't understand that, then he should not do that job. The chant goes : "he/they should restore democracy in this country", but to restore something implies that it was there before. What was here, however, had so very little to do with democracy. The people had a right to vote, yes, but for whom ? for a self appointed 'elite' (strictly meaning rich guys, education, manners and ethics being totally optional), cynical big shots (on either side) whose agenda had nothing to do with the people's or the country's needs, and didn't care a bit. Votes were for sale, directly or indirectly (via the village heads) and corruption at all levels turned the whole system into a pathetic farce. Restoring the right to vote in such a system would solve absolutely nothing. This Forum is full of people who are happy to lash out at the General, or at Thaksin and consorts for that matter, but no one has the faintest idea how to start mending a system that was so utterly damaged, and in such a context the expression 'restore democracy' sounds like Marie-Antoinette (allegedly) saying "the people don't have bread ? well, then they should eat croissants'. Where have you been? Read the newspapers. Listen to the knowledgeable Thais in the universities. Start elections. The Thai people have tried and tried and tried but the majority keeps getting overruled by non elected special interests. You represent a non elected special interest. What, do you think no one knows? Votes were for sale but the side who had the least amount of money won. Didn't you think that was a bit odd? Do you realize you are fooling no one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yann55 Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 (edited) Quote : "They should use the power according to the intentions of people who voted for them. The people trust them to run the country and bring an improved standard of living to the people". He is right, it's called democracy. The problem is, it exists only on paper. That's why i find it exasperating to read again and again the same pointless phrase, as recently happened with the diplomat who infuriated the General, and justly so, because a diplomat is not a journalist and if a diplomat doesn't understand that, then he should not do that job. The chant goes : "he/they should restore democracy in this country", but to restore something implies that it was there before. What was here, however, had so very little to do with democracy. The people had a right to vote, yes, but for whom ? for a self appointed 'elite' (strictly meaning rich guys, education, manners and ethics being totally optional), cynical big shots (on either side) whose agenda had nothing to do with the people's or the country's needs, and didn't care a bit. Votes were for sale, directly or indirectly (via the village heads) and corruption at all levels turned the whole system into a pathetic farce. Restoring the right to vote in such a system would solve absolutely nothing. This Forum is full of people who are happy to lash out at the General, or at Thaksin and consorts for that matter, but no one has the faintest idea how to start mending a system that was so utterly damaged, and in such a context the expression 'restore democracy' sounds like Marie-Antoinette (allegedly) saying "the people don't have bread ? well, then they should eat croissants'. Where have you been? Read the newspapers. Listen to the knowledgeable Thais in the universities. Start elections. The Thai people have tried and tried and tried but the majority keeps getting overruled by non elected special interests. You represent a non elected special interest. What, do you think no one knows? Votes were for sale but the side who had the least amount of money won. Didn't you think that was a bit odd? Do you realize you are fooling no one? What a remarkably paranoid and ill-informed rant involving, typically, an attack against the person rather than well thought out arguments. FYI I've been in this country for 14 years, I do read the newspapers and I even read TV threads, even though they're often invaded by rude and aggressive people such as yourself, Sir. Edited September 19, 2015 by Yann55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawadee1947 Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 to blame others is called THAINESS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Jones Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 Even in the darkest of Africa with a psychoe Coup-maker, e.g. Idi Amin, Milton Obote or Robert Mugabe, its impossible to find madness like in Thailand - World Champions of Idiocy ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawadee1947 Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 He's been in charge 18 months. It's time to own your own problems. Stop looking back, start looking forwards. And stop whining all the time like a spoiled kid. the problem is that the peole he is referring to are still very much players and lets face it - they shouldn't be very easy to point the finger at the PM and say he is not running a democracy (true) but the reality is it is the only way effective changes will ever be accomplished, past democratic elected governments have shown how ineffective they are over decades of theiving - power abuse - and corruption and have failed to do anything about it - why should they, they are all enriching themselves, although the current solution is not ideal I honestly don't see any alternative, politicians in this country cannot be trusted (fact) so the only way to ensure they do what they were elected to do is to introduce stiff boundaries, rules, agencies, and laws that hold people in office to account and for the time being restrict them until such times they can be trusted And what are his accomplishments with absolute power and almost a year and a half in charge? Let's see... - reducing the price of the lottery ticket to 80 baht - stripping a fugitive criminal ex-policeman of his rank - err ... anyone? yeeees....cheap petrol........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alwyn Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 "saying that their abuse of power and betrayal of the voters' trust led to dissatisfaction and conflict". I thought that his attack dog Suthep was responsible for the conflict and the main dissatisfaction was emanating from their paymasters. It's like a feudal country from another era.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ldiablo Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 "Betrayal of voters trust" This coming from the multi millionaire general. So only the politicians are to blame for Thailand's probkems. Never mind the fact that there are so many millionaire police and military generals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micmichd Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 He might still be right. Maybe the Red Shirts movement was a "grass root" protest by the electorate against their elite. I met quite a few Red Shirt activists who said exactly this, they felt cheated by their last hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MZurf Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 He's been in charge 18 months. It's time to own your own problems. Stop looking back, start looking forwards. And stop whining all the time like a spoiled kid. the problem hes facing is unsolveable , good luck it will continue for generations until thai mentality changes (as if ) Not unsolvable but very, very difficult and obviously not something the present government is willing or able to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micmichd Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 Maybe yes, maybe no. If I had a choice I would prefer someone from the country, eg. from the Isaan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 I made a quick calculation. Since the 2006 coup, the Thaksin related political side has governed the country during around 5 years, the rest of the time it has been ruled by the military/dem side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggt Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 "If the government uses its power in the wrong way, the act should be considered treason. It is betrayal of the people's trust. These bad individuals never want to take responsibility for their actions and they never truly want to commit to the people." Applying this litmus test for politicians...around the world...most of them would windup in prison...where IMHO most of them belong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinBoy2 Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 Maybe I'm just naive, but from my calculations the military have been in power for at least 50% of the last 40 years. Now I've posted this graph before, but can someone please help me to explain what difference exactly military vs politicians vs any Joe on The Street has had an this 'Asian Tiger'? Until this country actually wakes up to modernity and accepts some rational view of itself, it's future, and what to do, the past is destined to repeat itself ad nauseam Now for the majority of expats living here, doesn't really matter what they do. I've lived through them all, no change. Regardless of what the TVF zealots profess, we live in a bubble, until the Thai's actually accept what their relative 'success' is, nothing changes.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenixdoglover Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 ^^^The General is going to try to convince the UN there is nothing wrong with that graph. That's what self sufficiency looks like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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