Europeans shut borders, block bridges, to halt migrant surge

[RockyBeerbelly]

8.2% Muslim is a huge percentage, especially in a small country like Britain with a fairly wide variety of ethnic and religious groups. With that big percentage of a fragmented population, what's to stop them from demanding at some point that stoning be brought back for adultery and human rights laws be repealed, among other onerous things? May seem far-fetched now but remember the long-term goal of Islam is one World with only one religion--Islam. They are very patient but also very relentless. When they see an opening--like the current disarray and weakness in Europe, they exploit it. And, no, I am not a right wing reactionary--just a liberal realist who doesn't want to find myself living under Islam law.

This is my problem with so many Muslim migrants/refugees being let in. Some are able to integrate into society well and truly follow a pacifist version of their religion but there have been others already who bring their extremist practices over and when we let so many in, we don't know what type of extremists we're letting in. We already have a problem with the native Muslims, many ISIS militants have been bred in this country in mosques themselves. Behind those close doors we don't know what self-governing laws they're practising but there's been many "honour killings" in the past.

According to one report, there were thousands of "honour attacks" in the UK back in 2011 and even barring this we have a religion which is passive aggressive in its treatment to women trying to say that's it acceptable for them to be covered head to toe. UK should go the French route and ban the wearing of this type of clothing that covers a woman's face. It's the 21st century for God's sake.

When people come over here, they need to learn to abide by our rules. So primitive stone-age customs can be left in the Middle East such as most of what Sharia Law involves.

I respect all religions but Islam, unlike the others, still has much progressing to do.

This is an opinion that doesn't make much sense to me (and which is clearly misguiding people or not understanding the situation).

Question: do you actually understand why there are refugees in EU? As it doesn't seem you do, let me explain. There is a brutal war in Syria where both ISIS and the Assad regime are murdering Syrian citizens. These citizens are fleeing these regimes through a dangerous, long and expense journey. And your thought is that as soon as they arrive in the country where they want to seek asylum, they will join ISIS so they can become a militant? Really?? Then please explain, why the hell did they leave Syria in the first place???

Wrt "the many" Muslim refugees being let why not look at the numbers: This year there are about half a million refugees sofar (its actually less btw). This is a mere 0.06% of the EU population! Is this a number which you translate as being overrun??

You don't seem to understand that IS are sending terrorists while they are more likely to be able to enter western countries without being discovered. Then they will set up cells to carry out atrocities in the future.

While overall, the number of refugees are not large in comparison to population, hundreds of thousands of refugees can't be housed when there are not enough houses for the citizens of the country, never mind not enough school places and jobs available.

While I could ask you for what proof you have to back up your statement that IS has infiltrated terrorists amongst the refugees, please allow me to show that your idea doesnt make any sense.

First of all, the fact is that until now, all the recent terrorist attacks that happened in Europe were done by radical Muslims who have been living in Europe for a long time or were born there. Not one came "fresh" from the ME.

Secondly, if there were IS fighters amongst the refugees, and they would be discovered (which is not unlikely on a 4-6months journey it will be hard to surpress ones ideology), how do you think that they will be treated by the refugees who are actually fleeing from these same people?

Why would IS want to take such a difficult route? if IS had the intention to send its fighters into Europe to commit terrorist attacks, they will send them by air with a passport of a EU friendly Arab state (Jordan, Egypt, etc.). Its easier, faster, cheaper and less dangerous.

Scaring people of "all these terrorist" amongst the refugees is just something made up by the right wing EU politicians, its nothing more than a way for these politicians to hide behind their islamophobia/racism and to indoctrinate the simple people of this world....

[micmichd]

A couple of articles concerning the migrant surge welcoming Germany to the Middle East.

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Rape and child abuse 'are rife in German refugee camps': Unsegregated conditions blamed as women are 'seen as fair game' in overcrowded migrant centres

By ALLAN HALL IN BERLIN FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 18:23 GMT, 24 September 2015 | UPDATED: 04:37 GMT, 25 September 2015

A culture of rape and sexual abuse is being allowed to take hold in asylum centres across Germany as Europe struggles to cope with the migrant crisis, it has been alleged,

Womens rights groups and politicians have highlighted assaults against women and children in at least one camp.

And they suggest such incidents may be widespread, with many going unreported to the police.

Campaigners also claimed some men saw unaccompanied women as fair game, and also blamed conditions in which occupants were unsegregated by gender or nationality.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3247831/Rape-child-abuse-rife-overcrowded-asylum-centres-huge-surge-migrants-pushes-Germany-s-services-breaking-point-claim-womens-rights-groups-politicians.html#ixzz3mp6Zbx2e

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and then this is what Germany is doing to its own citizens.

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German woman threatened with eviction to make way for refugees

A 51-year-old German woman is being evicted from her home of 16 years to make way for refugees, with shelters already full across the country

By Justin Huggler in Berlin

4:07PM BST 25 Sep 2015

A woman in Germany is being evicted from her home of 16 years to make way for asylum-seekers, amid growing concerns over how Germany will find accommodation for the hundreds of thousands of refugees flooding into the country.

Bettina Halbey, a 51-year-old nurse, has lived alone in her flat in the small western German town of Nieheim since her children grew up.

On September 1, she received a letter from her landlord, the local municipality, telling her the building was being turned into a refugee shelter and she had until next May to leave.

More here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/11891631/German-woman-threatened-with-eviction-to-make-way-for-refugees.html

So, what?

I got kicked out of my flat from Heidelberg municipality once because they wanted to tear down the house and build a garage there instead.

German authorities will take advantage of the situation, of course. What else do you expect from a Mafia government?

The German nurse should blame the municipality, not the refugees.

P.S. Sorry for insulting the Mafia.

Edited September 26, 2015 by micmichd

[chuckd]

Just in case there is a fire to support all the smoke, my suggestion is the EU should be on its collective toes to take care of the potential problem.

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400 ISIS killers with hatred of West among 20,000 refugees heading for Britain

By JAKE BURMAN

PUBLISHED: 00:00, Tue, Sep 15, 2015 | UPDATED: 11:17, Tue, Sep 15, 2015

Cameron has been warned by senior officials that ISIS migrants could be sneaking into Europe

The dramatic claim was made by Lebanese education minister Elias Bou Saab who met with Mr Cameron to tell him thousands of ISIS "radicals" were among the 1.1million Syrians currently in migrant camps.

He predicted that one in 50 migrants are members of the terror organisation, which was "more than enough" to bring unprecedented death and chaos to European countries.

The terrifying statistic means that Britain is about to import 400 trained and hate-filled ISIS killers among the 20,000 genuine asylum seekers the Government has pledged to take in.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/605238/Islamic-State-David-Cameron-Lebanon-Elias-Bou-Saab-Migrant-Refugee-Syria-Pope-Francis

...and...

Alarm as Syria sells 10,000 passports with few questions asked

By ANIL DAWAR

PUBLISHED: 00:01, Fri, Sep 11, 2015

Terrorists could be entering EU posing as refugees after Syria issues 10,000 passports

Lax new rules handed down from Damascus allows passports to be issued abroad with virtually no checks for just £250.

Experts said the system, which allows Syrian citizens abroad to get passports without referring their applications to the country’s central immigration control, could be abused by terrorists and people smugglers.

News of the staggering numbers being issued without proper checks comes amid warnings about the growing illegal trade in the documents fuelled by German and Swedish pledges to house any refugees from Syria.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/604394/Alarm-Syria-sells-10000-passports-few-questions-asked?_ga=1.72328983.502614753.1438770352

[micmichd]

Just in case there is a fire to support all the smoke, my suggestion is the EU should be on its collective toes to take care of the potential problem.

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400 ISIS killers with hatred of West among 20,000 refugees heading for Britain

By JAKE BURMAN

PUBLISHED: 00:00, Tue, Sep 15, 2015 | UPDATED: 11:17, Tue, Sep 15, 2015

Cameron has been warned by senior officials that ISIS migrants could be sneaking into Europe

The dramatic claim was made by Lebanese education minister Elias Bou Saab who met with Mr Cameron to tell him thousands of ISIS "radicals" were among the 1.1million Syrians currently in migrant camps.

He predicted that one in 50 migrants are members of the terror organisation, which was "more than enough" to bring unprecedented death and chaos to European countries.

The terrifying statistic means that Britain is about to import 400 trained and hate-filled ISIS killers among the 20,000 genuine asylum seekers the Government has pledged to take in.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/605238/Islamic-State-David-Cameron-Lebanon-Elias-Bou-Saab-Migrant-Refugee-Syria-Pope-Francis

...and...

Alarm as Syria sells 10,000 passports with few questions asked

By ANIL DAWAR

PUBLISHED: 00:01, Fri, Sep 11, 2015

Terrorists could be entering EU posing as refugees after Syria issues 10,000 passports

Lax new rules handed down from Damascus allows passports to be issued abroad with virtually no checks for just £250.

Experts said the system, which allows Syrian citizens abroad to get passports without referring their applications to the countrys central immigration control, could be abused by terrorists and people smugglers.

News of the staggering numbers being issued without proper checks comes amid warnings about the growing illegal trade in the documents fuelled by German and Swedish pledges to house any refugees from Syria.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/604394/Alarm-Syria-sells-10000-passports-few-questions-asked?_ga=1.72328983.502614753.1438770352

£250 for a passport is too expensive.

[chuckd]

Not if you're an ISIS terrorist and need travel documents.

[RickBradford]

The dumber-than-dumb progressive elites of Europe are about to reap what they have sown.

Personally, I would rather see an all-out conflict erupt now, before all European armies have been converted into encounter and sensitivity training groups.

[RockyBeerbelly]

Just in case there is a fire to support all the smoke, my suggestion is the EU should be on its collective toes to take care of the potential problem.

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400 ISIS killers with hatred of West among 20,000 refugees heading for Britain

By JAKE BURMAN

PUBLISHED: 00:00, Tue, Sep 15, 2015 | UPDATED: 11:17, Tue, Sep 15, 2015

Cameron has been warned by senior officials that ISIS migrants could be sneaking into Europe

The dramatic claim was made by Lebanese education minister Elias Bou Saab who met with Mr Cameron to tell him thousands of ISIS "radicals" were among the 1.1million Syrians currently in migrant camps.

He predicted that one in 50 migrants are members of the terror organisation, which was "more than enough" to bring unprecedented death and chaos to European countries.

The terrifying statistic means that Britain is about to import 400 trained and hate-filled ISIS killers among the 20,000 genuine asylum seekers the Government has pledged to take in.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/605238/Islamic-State-David-Cameron-Lebanon-Elias-Bou-Saab-Migrant-Refugee-Syria-Pope-Francis

...and...

Alarm as Syria sells 10,000 passports with few questions asked

By ANIL DAWAR

PUBLISHED: 00:01, Fri, Sep 11, 2015

Terrorists could be entering EU posing as refugees after Syria issues 10,000 passports

Lax new rules handed down from Damascus allows passports to be issued abroad with virtually no checks for just £250.

Experts said the system, which allows Syrian citizens abroad to get passports without referring their applications to the country’s central immigration control, could be abused by terrorists and people smugglers.

News of the staggering numbers being issued without proper checks comes amid warnings about the growing illegal trade in the documents fuelled by German and Swedish pledges to house any refugees from Syria.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/604394/Alarm-Syria-sells-10000-passports-few-questions-asked?_ga=1.72328983.502614753.1438770352

Right-wing propaganda crap to make the simple people of this world scared and angry, and to avoid showing any form of empathy to a group of people who really need it.

One day (and this day may come sooner that most think) people in some parts of the EU will be refugees too. Just think about the reaction in the world if the Netherlands is flooded because of the melting of the Ice, and Germany and Belgium close the border with a high, barb-wired fence....

[micmichd]

The dumber-than-dumb progressive elites of Europe are about to reap what they have sown.

Personally, I would rather see an all-out conflict erupt now, before all European armies have been converted into encounter and sensitivity training groups.

Agree, provided I get my money + compensation for damages already done, before they kill each other. Edited September 26, 2015 by micmichd

[micmichd]

Just in case there is a fire to support all the smoke, my suggestion is the EU should be on its collective toes to take care of the potential problem.

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400 ISIS killers with hatred of West among 20,000 refugees heading for Britain

By JAKE BURMAN

PUBLISHED: 00:00, Tue, Sep 15, 2015 | UPDATED: 11:17, Tue, Sep 15, 2015

Cameron has been warned by senior officials that ISIS migrants could be sneaking into Europe

The dramatic claim was made by Lebanese education minister Elias Bou Saab who met with Mr Cameron to tell him thousands of ISIS "radicals" were among the 1.1million Syrians currently in migrant camps.

He predicted that one in 50 migrants are members of the terror organisation, which was "more than enough" to bring unprecedented death and chaos to European countries.

The terrifying statistic means that Britain is about to import 400 trained and hate-filled ISIS killers among the 20,000 genuine asylum seekers the Government has pledged to take in.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/605238/Islamic-State-David-Cameron-Lebanon-Elias-Bou-Saab-Migrant-Refugee-Syria-Pope-Francis

...and...

Alarm as Syria sells 10,000 passports with few questions asked

By ANIL DAWAR

PUBLISHED: 00:01, Fri, Sep 11, 2015

Terrorists could be entering EU posing as refugees after Syria issues 10,000 passports

Lax new rules handed down from Damascus allows passports to be issued abroad with virtually no checks for just £250.

Experts said the system, which allows Syrian citizens abroad to get passports without referring their applications to the countrys central immigration control, could be abused by terrorists and people smugglers.

News of the staggering numbers being issued without proper checks comes amid warnings about the growing illegal trade in the documents fuelled by German and Swedish pledges to house any refugees from Syria.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/604394/Alarm-Syria-sells-10000-passports-few-questions-asked?_ga=1.72328983.502614753.1438770352

Right-wing propaganda crap to make the simple people of this world scared and angry, and to avoid showing any form of empathy to a group of people who really need it.

One day (and this day may come sooner that most think) people in some parts of the EU will be refugees too. Just think about the reaction in the world if the Netherlands is flooded because of the melting of the Ice, and Germany and Belgium close the border with a high, barb-wired fence....

Thanks, I consider myself a refugee already - from Germany. Edited September 26, 2015 by micmichd

[newnative]

It's not right wing propaganda crap. It's been utter chaos in Europe and who knows how many terrorists have slipped in among the hordes. Even one is one too many. Take off your rose-colored glasses and wake up and smell the coffee.

[simple1]

It's not right wing propaganda crap. It's been utter chaos in Europe and who knows how many terrorists have slipped in among the hordes. Even one is one too many. Take off your rose-colored glasses and wake up and smell the coffee.

Before making a comment check the source. The Lebanese guy is a Christian politician whose Party previously had an alliance with Hezbollah. His comments are based upon 'gut feeling' with zero supporting empirical evidence as are the other quoted commentary; in other words propaganda.

[micmichd]

It's not right wing propaganda crap. It's been utter chaos in Europe and who knows how many terrorists have slipped in among the hordes. Even one is one too many. Take off your rose-colored glasses and wake up and smell the coffee.

"terrorists" "hordes" - propaganda or paranoia (or both)?

[gandalf12]

"country shoppers looking for the best deal"

It's called rational economic behaviour.

Why do you think so many Farangs come to Thailand?

Difference is we dont get handouts from the government, a house to live in, free medical treatment and free schooling for our children. We have to pay for everything we get.

[thaibeachlovers]

8.2% Muslim is a huge percentage, especially in a small country like Britain with a fairly wide variety of ethnic and religious groups. With that big percentage of a fragmented population, what's to stop them from demanding at some point that stoning be brought back for adultery and human rights laws be repealed, among other onerous things? May seem far-fetched now but remember the long-term goal of Islam is one World with only one religion--Islam. They are very patient but also very relentless. When they see an opening--like the current disarray and weakness in Europe, they exploit it. And, no, I am not a right wing reactionary--just a liberal realist who doesn't want to find myself living under Islam law.

This is my problem with so many Muslim migrants/refugees being let in. Some are able to integrate into society well and truly follow a pacifist version of their religion but there have been others already who bring their extremist practices over and when we let so many in, we don't know what type of extremists we're letting in. We already have a problem with the native Muslims, many ISIS militants have been bred in this country in mosques themselves. Behind those close doors we don't know what self-governing laws they're practising but there's been many "honour killings" in the past.

According to one report, there were thousands of "honour attacks" in the UK back in 2011 and even barring this we have a religion which is passive aggressive in its treatment to women trying to say that's it acceptable for them to be covered head to toe. UK should go the French route and ban the wearing of this type of clothing that covers a woman's face. It's the 21st century for God's sake.

When people come over here, they need to learn to abide by our rules. So primitive stone-age customs can be left in the Middle East such as most of what Sharia Law involves.

I respect all religions but Islam, unlike the others, still has much progressing to do.

Women covering is nothing to do with Islam. It is a purely CULTURAL custom. That is why some Islamic women don't cover at all. Different countries have different customs in relation to females covering, but only the fact that mainly Islamic countries still treat women like that fools people into believing that it is religious. Of course the religious zealots that indoctrinate their congregation are not going to admit that and pretend that to be against covering is anti Islamic.

That is why we see stupid western women wearing tents, because they believe the fairy tale given to them by Islamic preachers.

So when Islamic preachers in Islamic countries tell followers of Islam to cover up in the name of Islam, that is nothing to do with Islam?

They shouldn't tell them it's in the name of Islam, as it's not, but they are all to keen to keep women down, and covering up is a convenient way to do it. Basically, they are using Islam to keep women subservient.

Same as "honour killings"- nothing to do with Islam, but all about nutters thinking they "own" women and keeping them under the thumb of males.

It's just that they are now where western civilisation was in the dark ages. Hopefully they will catch up sometime.

[newnative]

Keep your rose-colored glasses firmly in place but I wonder, why doesn't Saudi Arabia want any of the migrants?

[stevenl]

Keep your rose-colored glasses firmly in place but I wonder, why doesn't Saudi Arabia want any of the migrants?

Life is much better rose coloured than black coloured.

[Scott]

Off-topic posts and replies removed.

[gandalf12]

A couple of articles concerning the migrant surge welcoming Germany to the Middle East.

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Rape and child abuse 'are rife in German refugee camps': Unsegregated conditions blamed as women are 'seen as fair game' in overcrowded migrant centres

By ALLAN HALL IN BERLIN FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 18:23 GMT, 24 September 2015 | UPDATED: 04:37 GMT, 25 September 2015

A culture of rape and sexual abuse is being allowed to take hold in asylum centres across Germany as Europe struggles to cope with the migrant crisis, it has been alleged,

Womens rights groups and politicians have highlighted assaults against women and children in at least one camp.

And they suggest such incidents may be widespread, with many going unreported to the police.

Campaigners also claimed some men saw unaccompanied women as fair game, and also blamed conditions in which occupants were unsegregated by gender or nationality.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3247831/Rape-child-abuse-rife-overcrowded-asylum-centres-huge-surge-migrants-pushes-Germany-s-services-breaking-point-claim-womens-rights-groups-politicians.html#ixzz3mp6Zbx2e

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and then this is what Germany is doing to its own citizens.

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German woman threatened with eviction to make way for refugees

A 51-year-old German woman is being evicted from her home of 16 years to make way for refugees, with shelters already full across the country

By Justin Huggler in Berlin

4:07PM BST 25 Sep 2015

A woman in Germany is being evicted from her home of 16 years to make way for asylum-seekers, amid growing concerns over how Germany will find accommodation for the hundreds of thousands of refugees flooding into the country.

Bettina Halbey, a 51-year-old nurse, has lived alone in her flat in the small western German town of Nieheim since her children grew up.

On September 1, she received a letter from her landlord, the local municipality, telling her the building was being turned into a refugee shelter and she had until next May to leave.

More here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/11891631/German-woman-threatened-with-eviction-to-make-way-for-refugees.html

So, what?

I got kicked out of my flat from Heidelberg municipality once because they wanted to tear down the house and build a garage there instead.

German authorities will take advantage of the situation, of course. What else do you expect from a Mafia government?

The German nurse should blame the municipality, not the refugees.

P.S. Sorry for insulting the Mafia.

Actually the origins of the Mafia were to resolve issues that the police couldnt or wouldnt bother with

[gandalf12]

Just in case there is a fire to support all the smoke, my suggestion is the EU should be on its collective toes to take care of the potential problem.

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400 ISIS killers with hatred of West among 20,000 refugees heading for Britain

By JAKE BURMAN

PUBLISHED: 00:00, Tue, Sep 15, 2015 | UPDATED: 11:17, Tue, Sep 15, 2015

Cameron has been warned by senior officials that ISIS migrants could be sneaking into Europe

The dramatic claim was made by Lebanese education minister Elias Bou Saab who met with Mr Cameron to tell him thousands of ISIS "radicals" were among the 1.1million Syrians currently in migrant camps.

He predicted that one in 50 migrants are members of the terror organisation, which was "more than enough" to bring unprecedented death and chaos to European countries.

The terrifying statistic means that Britain is about to import 400 trained and hate-filled ISIS killers among the 20,000 genuine asylum seekers the Government has pledged to take in.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/605238/Islamic-State-David-Cameron-Lebanon-Elias-Bou-Saab-Migrant-Refugee-Syria-Pope-Francis

...and...

Alarm as Syria sells 10,000 passports with few questions asked

By ANIL DAWAR

PUBLISHED: 00:01, Fri, Sep 11, 2015

Terrorists could be entering EU posing as refugees after Syria issues 10,000 passports

Lax new rules handed down from Damascus allows passports to be issued abroad with virtually no checks for just £250.

Experts said the system, which allows Syrian citizens abroad to get passports without referring their applications to the country’s central immigration control, could be abused by terrorists and people smugglers.

News of the staggering numbers being issued without proper checks comes amid warnings about the growing illegal trade in the documents fuelled by German and Swedish pledges to house any refugees from Syria.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/604394/Alarm-Syria-sells-10000-passports-few-questions-asked?_ga=1.72328983.502614753.1438770352

Right-wing propaganda crap to make the simple people of this world scared and angry, and to avoid showing any form of empathy to a group of people who really need it.

One day (and this day may come sooner that most think) people in some parts of the EU will be refugees too. Just think about the reaction in the world if the Netherlands is flooded because of the melting of the Ice, and Germany and Belgium close the border with a high, barb-wired fence....

You really have little understanding of the world. I suggest you get out more

[teatree]

Germany has tried to get more children by incentives since many years. All in vain, Germany has one of the lowest birth rates in the world. So, Germany really needs immigration, otherwise their social system will collapse.

It needs a controlled and carefully managed system of immigration (as does most of Western Europe), not an open door to anyone who can turn up on their doorstep.

Edited September 26, 2015 by teatree

[pedro01]

8.2% Muslim is a huge percentage, especially in a small country like Britain with a fairly wide variety of ethnic and religious groups. With that big percentage of a fragmented population, what's to stop them from demanding at some point that stoning be brought back for adultery and human rights laws be repealed, among other onerous things? May seem far-fetched now but remember the long-term goal of Islam is one World with only one religion--Islam. They are very patient but also very relentless. When they see an opening--like the current disarray and weakness in Europe, they exploit it. And, no, I am not a right wing reactionary--just a liberal realist who doesn't want to find myself living under Islam law.

This is my problem with so many Muslim migrants/refugees being let in. Some are able to integrate into society well and truly follow a pacifist version of their religion but there have been others already who bring their extremist practices over and when we let so many in, we don't know what type of extremists we're letting in. We already have a problem with the native Muslims, many ISIS militants have been bred in this country in mosques themselves. Behind those close doors we don't know what self-governing laws they're practising but there's been many "honour killings" in the past.

According to one report, there were thousands of "honour attacks" in the UK back in 2011 and even barring this we have a religion which is passive aggressive in its treatment to women trying to say that's it acceptable for them to be covered head to toe. UK should go the French route and ban the wearing of this type of clothing that covers a woman's face. It's the 21st century for God's sake.

When people come over here, they need to learn to abide by our rules. So primitive stone-age customs can be left in the Middle East such as most of what Sharia Law involves.

I respect all religions but Islam, unlike the others, still has much progressing to do.

Women covering is nothing to do with Islam. It is a purely CULTURAL custom. That is why some Islamic women don't cover at all. Different countries have different customs in relation to females covering, but only the fact that mainly Islamic countries still treat women like that fools people into believing that it is religious. Of course the religious zealots that indoctrinate their congregation are not going to admit that and pretend that to be against covering is anti Islamic.
That is why we see stupid western women wearing tents, because they believe the fairy tale given to them by Islamic preachers.

So when Islamic preachers in Islamic countries tell followers of Islam to cover up in the name of Islam, that is nothing to do with Islam?

They shouldn't tell them it's in the name of Islam, as it's not, but they are all to keen to keep women down, and covering up is a convenient way to do it. Basically, they are using Islam to keep women subservient.
Same as "honour killings"- nothing to do with Islam, but all about nutters thinking they "own" women and keeping them under the thumb of males.
It's just that they are now where western civilisation was in the dark ages. Hopefully they will catch up sometime.

Ok I get it.

Your version of Islam isnt violent.

So when an Islamic country like Bahrain or Saudi dictate (and is supported by 80% odf their citizens) that leaving the faith should be punishable by decapitation (first offence ) - that is not Islam because it doesnt fit your rosy interpretation?

Guess what? All religion is subjective. So when 10's of millions of muslims believe a certain thing - that IS Islam.

[thaibeachlovers]

8.2% Muslim is a huge percentage, especially in a small country like Britain with a fairly wide variety of ethnic and religious groups. With that big percentage of a fragmented population, what's to stop them from demanding at some point that stoning be brought back for adultery and human rights laws be repealed, among other onerous things? May seem far-fetched now but remember the long-term goal of Islam is one World with only one religion--Islam. They are very patient but also very relentless. When they see an opening--like the current disarray and weakness in Europe, they exploit it. And, no, I am not a right wing reactionary--just a liberal realist who doesn't want to find myself living under Islam law.

This is my problem with so many Muslim migrants/refugees being let in. Some are able to integrate into society well and truly follow a pacifist version of their religion but there have been others already who bring their extremist practices over and when we let so many in, we don't know what type of extremists we're letting in. We already have a problem with the native Muslims, many ISIS militants have been bred in this country in mosques themselves. Behind those close doors we don't know what self-governing laws they're practising but there's been many "honour killings" in the past.

According to one report, there were thousands of "honour attacks" in the UK back in 2011 and even barring this we have a religion which is passive aggressive in its treatment to women trying to say that's it acceptable for them to be covered head to toe. UK should go the French route and ban the wearing of this type of clothing that covers a woman's face. It's the 21st century for God's sake.

When people come over here, they need to learn to abide by our rules. So primitive stone-age customs can be left in the Middle East such as most of what Sharia Law involves.

I respect all religions but Islam, unlike the others, still has much progressing to do.

Women covering is nothing to do with Islam. It is a purely CULTURAL custom. That is why some Islamic women don't cover at all. Different countries have different customs in relation to females covering, but only the fact that mainly Islamic countries still treat women like that fools people into believing that it is religious. Of course the religious zealots that indoctrinate their congregation are not going to admit that and pretend that to be against covering is anti Islamic.

That is why we see stupid western women wearing tents, because they believe the fairy tale given to them by Islamic preachers.

So when Islamic preachers in Islamic countries tell followers of Islam to cover up in the name of Islam, that is nothing to do with Islam?

They shouldn't tell them it's in the name of Islam, as it's not, but they are all to keen to keep women down, and covering up is a convenient way to do it. Basically, they are using Islam to keep women subservient.

Same as "honour killings"- nothing to do with Islam, but all about nutters thinking they "own" women and keeping them under the thumb of males.

It's just that they are now where western civilisation was in the dark ages. Hopefully they will catch up sometime.

Ok I get it.

Your version of Islam isnt violent.

So when an Islamic country like Bahrain or Saudi dictate (and is supported by 80% odf their citizens) that leaving the faith should be punishable by decapitation (first offence ) - that is not Islam because it doesnt fit your rosy interpretation?

Guess what? All religion is subjective. So when 10's of millions of muslims believe a certain thing - that IS Islam.

You are ?wilfully misinterpreting what I say about covering, and I was only talking about covering ( or honour killing ) not being part of Islam. I agree that Islam is violent and that it is part of their faith to kill anyone that leaves the religion. It is also part of the faith that women are worth less than men ( but still western women convert!!!!!!!! ).

Like I said, Islam is currently where Christianity was in the dark ages where it was a Christians duty to kill heretics.

I struggle to understand why Merkel thinks it is a good idea to welcome many thousands of people that believe in killing other people for silly reasons.

[thaibeachlovers]

This is my problem with so many Muslim migrants/refugees being let in. Some are able to integrate into society well and truly follow a pacifist version of their religion but there have been others already who bring their extremist practices over and when we let so many in, we don't know what type of extremists we're letting in. We already have a problem with the native Muslims, many ISIS militants have been bred in this country in mosques themselves. Behind those close doors we don't know what self-governing laws they're practising but there's been many "honour killings" in the past.

According to one report, there were thousands of "honour attacks" in the UK back in 2011 and even barring this we have a religion which is passive aggressive in its treatment to women trying to say that's it acceptable for them to be covered head to toe. UK should go the French route and ban the wearing of this type of clothing that covers a woman's face. It's the 21st century for God's sake.

When people come over here, they need to learn to abide by our rules. So primitive stone-age customs can be left in the Middle East such as most of what Sharia Law involves.

I respect all religions but Islam, unlike the others, still has much progressing to do.

This is an opinion that doesn't make much sense to me (and which is clearly misguiding people or not understanding the situation).

Question: do you actually understand why there are refugees in EU? As it doesn't seem you do, let me explain. There is a brutal war in Syria where both ISIS and the Assad regime are murdering Syrian citizens. These citizens are fleeing these regimes through a dangerous, long and expense journey. And your thought is that as soon as they arrive in the country where they want to seek asylum, they will join ISIS so they can become a militant? Really?? Then please explain, why the hell did they leave Syria in the first place???

Wrt "the many" Muslim refugees being let why not look at the numbers: This year there are about half a million refugees sofar (its actually less btw). This is a mere 0.06% of the EU population! Is this a number which you translate as being overrun??

You don't seem to understand that IS are sending terrorists while they are more likely to be able to enter western countries without being discovered. Then they will set up cells to carry out atrocities in the future.

While overall, the number of refugees are not large in comparison to population, hundreds of thousands of refugees can't be housed when there are not enough houses for the citizens of the country, never mind not enough school places and jobs available.

While I could ask you for what proof you have to back up your statement that IS has infiltrated terrorists amongst the refugees, please allow me to show that your idea doesnt make any sense.

First of all, the fact is that until now, all the recent terrorist attacks that happened in Europe were done by radical Muslims who have been living in Europe for a long time or were born there. Not one came "fresh" from the ME.

Secondly, if there were IS fighters amongst the refugees, and they would be discovered (which is not unlikely on a 4-6months journey it will be hard to surpress ones ideology), how do you think that they will be treated by the refugees who are actually fleeing from these same people?

Why would IS want to take such a difficult route? if IS had the intention to send its fighters into Europe to commit terrorist attacks, they will send them by air with a passport of a EU friendly Arab state (Jordan, Egypt, etc.). Its easier, faster, cheaper and less dangerous.

Scaring people of "all these terrorist" amongst the refugees is just something made up by the right wing EU politicians, its nothing more than a way for these politicians to hide behind their islamophobia/racism and to indoctrinate the simple people of this world....

if IS had the intention to send its fighters into Europe to commit terrorist attacks, they will send them by air with a passport of a EU friendly Arab state (Jordan, Egypt, etc.).

LOL. Do you not realise that Jordan, Egypt etc are in a war with IS? Perhaps you think Jordanian and Egyptian security services are too stupid to pick them up on a security check or that the countries they fly to wouldn't know.

I think you are confusing overstayers that fly in with terrorists.

[Steely Dan]

A couple of articles concerning the migrant surge welcoming Germany to the Middle East.

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Rape and child abuse 'are rife in German refugee camps': Unsegregated conditions blamed as women are 'seen as fair game' in overcrowded migrant centres

By ALLAN HALL IN BERLIN FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 18:23 GMT, 24 September 2015 | UPDATED: 04:37 GMT, 25 September 2015

A culture of rape and sexual abuse is being allowed to take hold in asylum centres across Germany as Europe struggles to cope with the migrant crisis, it has been alleged,

Women’s rights groups and politicians have highlighted assaults against women and children in at least one camp.

And they suggest such incidents may be widespread, with many going unreported to the police.

Campaigners also claimed some men saw unaccompanied women as ‘fair game’, and also blamed conditions in which occupants were unsegregated by gender or nationality.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3247831/Rape-child-abuse-rife-overcrowded-asylum-centres-huge-surge-migrants-pushes-Germany-s-services-breaking-point-claim-womens-rights-groups-politicians.html#ixzz3mp6Zbx2e

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and then this is what Germany is doing to its own citizens.

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German woman threatened with eviction to make way for refugees

A 51-year-old German woman is being evicted from her home of 16 years to make way for refugees, with shelters already full across the country

By Justin Huggler in Berlin

4:07PM BST 25 Sep 2015

A woman in Germany is being evicted from her home of 16 years to make way for asylum-seekers, amid growing concerns over how Germany will find accommodation for the hundreds of thousands of refugees flooding into the country.

Bettina Halbey, a 51-year-old nurse, has lived alone in her flat in the small western German town of Nieheim since her children grew up.

On September 1, she received a letter from her landlord, the local municipality, telling her the building was being turned into a refugee shelter and she had until next May to leave.

More here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/11891631/German-woman-threatened-with-eviction-to-make-way-for-refugees.html

Sweden is also evicting its own citizens to make way for culture enrichers. Lest it be forgotten large numbers of these newcomers are economic migrants not refugees. I can think of no more egregious betrayal of ones own people than this. Why not set up a gulag for displaced locals who object to forcedly being relocated and treated as second class citizens in their own homes?

This is the stuff Bastille days was made of, it is the sort of provocation that leads to riots and even civil war. What utter crass stupidity!

[Steely Dan]

8.2% Muslim is a huge percentage, especially in a small country like Britain with a fairly wide variety of ethnic and religious groups. With that big percentage of a fragmented population, what's to stop them from demanding at some point that stoning be brought back for adultery and human rights laws be repealed, among other onerous things? May seem far-fetched now but remember the long-term goal of Islam is one World with only one religion--Islam. They are very patient but also very relentless. When they see an opening--like the current disarray and weakness in Europe, they exploit it. And, no, I am not a right wing reactionary--just a liberal realist who doesn't want to find myself living under Islam law.

This is my problem with so many Muslim migrants/refugees being let in. Some are able to integrate into society well and truly follow a pacifist version of their religion but there have been others already who bring their extremist practices over and when we let so many in, we don't know what type of extremists we're letting in. We already have a problem with the native Muslims, many ISIS militants have been bred in this country in mosques themselves. Behind those close doors we don't know what self-governing laws they're practising but there's been many "honour killings" in the past.

According to one report, there were thousands of "honour attacks" in the UK back in 2011 and even barring this we have a religion which is passive aggressive in its treatment to women trying to say that's it acceptable for them to be covered head to toe. UK should go the French route and ban the wearing of this type of clothing that covers a woman's face. It's the 21st century for God's sake.

When people come over here, they need to learn to abide by our rules. So primitive stone-age customs can be left in the Middle East such as most of what Sharia Law involves.

I respect all religions but Islam, unlike the others, still has much progressing to do.

Women covering is nothing to do with Islam. It is a purely CULTURAL custom. That is why some Islamic women don't cover at all. Different countries have different customs in relation to females covering, but only the fact that mainly Islamic countries still treat women like that fools people into believing that it is religious. Of course the religious zealots that indoctrinate their congregation are not going to admit that and pretend that to be against covering is anti Islamic.
That is why we see stupid western women wearing tents, because they believe the fairy tale given to them by Islamic preachers.

So when Islamic preachers in Islamic countries tell followers of Islam to cover up in the name of Islam, that is nothing to do with Islam?

They shouldn't tell them it's in the name of Islam, as it's not, but they are all to keen to keep women down, and covering up is a convenient way to do it. Basically, they are using Islam to keep women subservient.
Same as "honour killings"- nothing to do with Islam, but all about nutters thinking they "own" women and keeping them under the thumb of males.
It's just that they are now where western civilisation was in the dark ages. Hopefully they will catch up sometime.

Stand alone comment as off topic: 93% of honour killings occur in the Muslim world, so whilst technically not unique to Islam it is overwhelmingly a problem prevalent to Muslim cultures.