Two more men held for fatal gang attack in Kanchanaburi

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Two more men held for fatal gang attack in Kanchanaburi
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KANCHANABURI: -- POLICE arrested two more young men yesterday morning who allegedly joined four others in beating a 19-year-old man to death on the side of Saeng Chuto Road in Kanchanaburi’s Muang district on the night of December 6.

The vicious attack - which led to the death of Krissada On-nom, 19, and serious injuries to his friend Peerapong Reungchan, 22 - was captured by a CCTV camera and the footage widely shared on social media in Thailand.

Nitinai "Moss" Watcharanuthat, 24, and Chainuwat Rodpai, 23, were arrested while laying low in an abandoned house near a golf course in Tha Muang district, Pol Lt-General Chanthep Sesavej, the head of Police Provincial Region 7, said at a press conference yesterday in Nakhon Pathom. He said the duo confessed to the crime.

Police later identified Nitinai as the person who hit the victim with a statue.

Police had already taken four others sought for the fatal attack into custody.

Tinha Thewakul, 21, and Paisal Chanmethakulwat, 20, were arrested after the incident while alleged gang leader Pongwit Thepkawira, 22, surrendered later.

And on Sunday, another 18-year-old suspect, who allegedly beat Krissada with a baseball bat, turned himself in to police while accompanied by his mother.

The 18-year-old told police he didn't know the victims but joined the attack with his friends, as they thought the victims were members of a rival group.

The mother said she watched the video of the attack only once, and was shocked and very sorry for what her son and his friends did. She said she and her husband, a police officer, had two school-age sons - one was the suspect and the other a boy aged 13.

"I couldn't believe that my son would cruelly attack other people like this," she said.

She believed they may have been drinking alcohol and she apologised to the victims' families.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Two-more-men-held-for-fatal-gang-attack-in-Kanchan-30274936.html

-- The Nation 2015-12-15

[onetime]

Father's the po-po. The apple doesn't fall to far....

[bdenner]

The son of a police officer, humble apology = slap on the wrist, case over! Next

[Bluespunk]

"The 18-year-old told police he didn't know the victims but joined the attack with his friends, as they thought the victims were members of a rival group."

And that would make it ok?

<deleted> moron.

[optad]

A juvenile and a baseball bat killing, over nothing?!. What do you say here...

[BSJ]

I hate to use the word 'moron' as it raises these parasites to a level that society accepts, so lets just call them parasites.

[apetley]

We live in Kanchanaburi and wifey's friends have all seen the vid. I made the mistake of watching too and it is truly horrifying. The guy wielding the baseball bat only had one intention and that was to destroy the victims head, sickening. The hope is that any court simply cannot ignore this graphic evidence when, or if, this case gets to court.

[IamNoone88]

It is very true that life is cheap here.

[klauskunkel]

A 'fatal gang attack'...., just speak the correct word: it's 'murder',.,, m u r d e r.

[bbbbooboo]

Animals.......I hope they are shown the same mercy they gave to their victims

[laislica]

A juvenile and a baseball bat killing, over nothing?!. What do you say here...

OK you asked.

I say I'd like to hear the Judge say something like;

This type of violence and crime has been going on for too many years unabated.

This behaviour must stop because you are badly damaging Thailand’s reputation.

I am going to make an example of you by handing down the maximum sentences that the Law allows.

You will serve the full term with no remission.

I will also consider imposing penalties on the parents of any suspects who are below the age of responsibility because those parents have failed in their duty to bring their children up as good Thai Citisens.

All the suspects who are convicted will additionally pay compensation to the victims / families of victims.

Failure to pay will result in jail terms.

I want to send the strongest message to the youth of Thailand that times have changed and consequences for your actions will be enforced without question.

(Yes, my family lost a 19 year old son to this nonsense last year so I feel very strongly about it!)

[optad]

A juvenile and a baseball bat killing, over nothing?!. What do you say here...

OK you asked.

I say I'd like to hear the Judge say something like;

This type of violence and crime has been going on for too many years unabated.

This behaviour must stop because you are badly damaging Thailand’s reputation.

I am going to make an example of you by handing down the maximum sentences that the Law allows.

You will serve the full term with no remission.

I will also consider imposing penalties on the parents of any suspects who are below the age of responsibility because those parents have failed in their duty to bring their children up as good Thai Citisens.

All the suspects who are convicted will additionally pay compensation to the victims / families of victims.

Failure to pay will result in jail terms.

I want to send the strongest message to the youth of Thailand that times have changed and consequences for your actions will be enforced without question.

(Yes, my family lost a 19 year old son to this nonsense last year so I feel very strongly about it!)

I am very sorry to read about your family's recent loss.

It is completely understandable you are affected reading this. Everyone should be really. I am by the poverty of the perpetrators states of mind. Life needs more respect than this.

They are borderline juveniles, then the whole family thainess shitstorm hits so the judge wont be as you say.

I lament greater ambitions for our younger social cohorts. It is needless and very sad.

[optad]

I have seen the footage now and wish i had not. I fear i will not be able to forget it. Terrible stuff.

Poor kid.

[MrTee]

Evil little boys..

I had tears in my eyes watching the video..
Disgust creatures..
25 years each would be not enough.

[laislica]

Whilst I feel that posting the video is a crime in itself,

it was probably only the outrage following the publication that forced the Police to take action.

This type of "incident" (sic), is so common, it is not news worthy.

Thai's seem to accept it as a norm.

Thai's seem to think that the students are only children, playing children's games.

Until the Thai Justice System takes this seriously, country wide and enforces maximum penalties, nothing will change.

Thai's respond quickly to pain in the wallet!

Apart from in the "villages",

I now see many more folk on m/c's wearing crash helmets,

simply because they were fined again and again.

Teaching, talking, showing does not work here.

IMHO, only regular fines work!

[Arkady]

"The 18-year-old told police he didn't know the victims but joined the attack with his friends, as they thought the victims were members of a rival group."

And that would make it ok?

<deleted> moron.

That and the fact that he was believed to have been drinking alcohol.

[z42]

If peddling a few hundred pills equates to dying in jail then beating a wholly innocent man to death on a whim should mean death row. Dying in jail with shackles on your legs.

An abhorrent crime. Nothing less than what i said would suffice if we're being honest

[Dogmatix]

The son of a police officer, humble apology = slap on the wrist, case over! Next

I have personal knowledge of a very similar case where the son of low ranking police officer got off with murder without being charged. He leaned out of a bus window in Bangkok and shot a passing teenager in the head with a pen gun to show off to his friends because he thought the passer by was a student of a rival technical school. The murderer was arrested at the scene and the police interviewed a number of witnesses on the bus but dropped the case when they found out his father was a local cop. The victim's father tried to pursue the case for over a year but eventually gave up when police came to his house to tell him in front of his remaining family that he would end up like his son, if he didn't drop it.

Where can you turn to for justice in an utterly amoral society with no rule of law like this?

[huangnon]

I have seen the footage now and wish i had not. I fear i will not be able to forget it. Terrible stuff.

Poor kid.

Yes. It was horrendous, totally random and utterly cowardly. Feral dogs that should be euthanized.

[optad]

Whilst I feel that posting the video is a crime in itself,

it was probably only the outrage following the publication that forced the Police to take action.

This type of "incident" (sic), is so common, it is not news worthy.

Thai's seem to accept it as a norm.

Thai's seem to think that the students are only children, playing children's games.

Until the Thai Justice System takes this seriously, country wide and enforces maximum penalties, nothing will change.

Thai's respond quickly to pain in the wallet!

Apart from in the "villages",

I now see many more folk on m/c's wearing crash helmets,

simply because they were fined again and again.

Teaching, talking, showing does not work here.

IMHO, only regular fines work!

I have been deeply affected, troubled by what i saw but i do not retract the spirit of what i posted prior to the vision. Indeed, having to clear my eyes a little, i have reflected and feel it to be more true having seen the horrors of those thug's actions upon that innocent. However fines or pure fiscal tangibles Laislica are not the answer longer term.

Infractors must be punished and incarcerated according to their crime. MUST. These boys will need to go for twenty plus years or whatever. They took an innocent life in a horrific way. It is a society debt too not just a personal one to the victim's family.

But education is the silver bullet. Education is the only way, that boy who held the baseball bat, the very son of a police office, him who hit that laying body, could have become something better than what he has been shown by his father and his poor peers around him.

It is a generational time lag I know. But Thailand is desperate for it. On this we agree.

I would add anecdotally that three 'hi~so' Thais did the same criminal thing in Melbourne, outside of a 7/11 for loss of face when a young Australian protected their would be victim. Knifed young Luke Mitchell and fled back to Thailand overnight. They brought Thai culture to Australia and inflicted the same result by virtue of their gang weakness.

Changing the culture is showing the future to young people. Here, in that footage, i could show that to all my students and they would see weakness not strength. Kids need to commentate on this not us. Unfortunately, it is from little things big things grow.

I remember being in Sligo in 1980 and talking to a young boy then about peace. I will never forget, he did not believe it possible. But largely he has been proven wrong. You must upbraid the levels of the young to meet their betterment and ours also.

However, to be clear, none of this commentary should deflect from the horror of a murdered boy by thugs i have seen today.

[Krataiboy]

It's a zoo out there. Anybody who believes otherwise needs simply to check the Wikipedia entry on violent crime in Thailand and the associated links relating to other undesirable aspects of Thai society - such as corruption, racism, etc.

Having lived here for over 15 years, my impression is that things have been getting steadily worse rather than better and that Thailand is a more dangerous place to live in now, and a lot less tourist friendly, than it used to be.

An article in the New York Times last month claimed that violent crime, robberies, burglaries and theft have all increased substantially since the military-led regime came to power. The figures quoted are contested by the Thai police, but it seems there is no agency which collates reliable crime statistics.

Only last week, however, it was reported that Thailand has twice as many gun deaths per 100,000 as the United States and the official incidence of rape averages one every 15 minutes. Add to scary facts like these the notoriously low domestic crime detection and conviction rates and you have a recipe for lawlessness on a seismic scale.

One cannot help wondering why so many falangs leave their far more civilised and less hostile homelands to put down roots in the euphemistically named Land of Smiles. Other than the warm weather, low living costs and the historically accommodating nature of the indigenous female population, what else does the place any longer have to offer?

[laislica]

Whilst I feel that posting the video is a crime in itself,

it was probably only the outrage following the publication that forced the Police to take action.

This type of "incident" (sic), is so common, it is not news worthy.

Thai's seem to accept it as a norm.

Thai's seem to think that the students are only children, playing children's games.

Until the Thai Justice System takes this seriously, country wide and enforces maximum penalties, nothing will change.

Thai's respond quickly to pain in the wallet!

Apart from in the "villages",

I now see many more folk on m/c's wearing crash helmets,

simply because they were fined again and again.

Teaching, talking, showing does not work here.

IMHO, only regular fines work!

I have been deeply affected, troubled by what i saw but i do not retract the spirit of what i posted prior to the vision. Indeed, having to clear my eyes a little, i have reflected and feel it to be more true having seen the horrors of those thug's actions upon that innocent. However fines or pure fiscal tangibles Laislica are not the answer longer term.

Infractors must be punished and incarcerated according to their crime. MUST. These boys will need to go for twenty plus years or whatever. They took an innocent life in a horrific way. It is a society debt too not just a personal one to the victim's family.

But education is the silver bullet. Education is the only way, that boy who held the baseball bat, the very son of a police office, him who hit that laying body, could have become something better than what he has been shown by his father and his poor peers around him.

It is a generational time lag I know. But Thailand is desperate for it. On this we agree.

I would add anecdotally that three 'hi~so' Thais did the same criminal thing in Melbourne, outside of a 7/11 for loss of face when a young Australian protected their would be victim. Knifed young Luke Mitchell and fled back to Thailand overnight. They brought Thai culture to Australia and inflicted the same result by virtue of their gang weakness.

Changing the culture is showing the future to young people. Here, in that footage, i could show that to all my students and they would see weakness not strength. Kids need to commentate on this not us. Unfortunately, it is from little things big things grow.

I remember being in Sligo in 1980 and talking to a young boy then about peace. I will never forget, he did not believe it possible. But largely he has been proven wrong. You must upbraid the levels of the young to meet their betterment and ours also.

However, to be clear, none of this commentary should deflect from the horror of a murdered boy by thugs i have seen today.

Perhaps we are on the same page?

In post 11, I wanted the Judge to :-

"

I am going to make an example of you by handing down the maximum sentences that the Law allows.

You will serve the full term with no remission."

Penalise parents

Fine and give compensation on the promise of jail terms if not paid.

This is not the Land of Smiles.

It is the Land of Money!

Money is the start and end of everything in Thailand.

If you have it, there is no punishment for ANY crime.

I say again, only by jailing and taking their Money will Thais take any notice.

Howeer, stupid they are not.

Hurt their freedom and wallet and tey learn real quick.

Teaching has not worked, and may never do in any reasonable time frame, in Thailand.

Remember the quote:- "When the student is ready, a teacher will appear"?

Conversely, when the student is not ready - nothing will be learned.

[IAMHERE]

"She believed they may have been drinking alcohol and she apologised to the victims' families."

OK, time to make some serious laws about alcohol. You must get insurance to drink, you must have a drinking allowed license on you at all times aldohol is in your blood stream, death if you cause death or life long injury while alcohol is in your blood stream. Alcohol should be used as an excuse only when you are willing/able to pay a suitable amount for the damage you cause.

[laislica]

"She believed they may have been drinking alcohol and she apologised to the victims' families."

OK, time to make some serious laws about alcohol. You must get insurance to drink, you must have a drinking allowed license on you at all times aldohol is in your blood stream, death if you cause death or life long injury while alcohol is in your blood stream. Alcohol should be used as an excuse only when you are willing/able to pay a suitable amount for the damage you cause.

Yeah, and why not penalise the Parents?

They sporned the brat into this world, they should be held responsible for it's actions,

until it reaches the age of Majority (I would like to say maturity but, well TiT.....).

Imagine how things would change overnight if parents started getting fined and jailed on their "children" behalf?

(Might lead to a few missing children?)

[metisdead]

An off topic post has been removed as well as a post containing a link to Bangkok Post:

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[optad]

Whilst I feel that posting the video is a crime in itself,

it was probably only the outrage following the publication that forced the Police to take action.

This type of "incident" (sic), is so common, it is not news worthy.

Thai's seem to accept it as a norm.

Thai's seem to think that the students are only children, playing children's games.

Until the Thai Justice System takes this seriously, country wide and enforces maximum penalties, nothing will change.

Thai's respond quickly to pain in the wallet!

Apart from in the "villages",

I now see many more folk on m/c's wearing crash helmets,

simply because they were fined again and again.

Teaching, talking, showing does not work here.

IMHO, only regular fines work!

I have been deeply affected, troubled by what i saw but i do not retract the spirit of what i posted prior to the vision. Indeed, having to clear my eyes a little, i have reflected and feel it to be more true having seen the horrors of those thug's actions upon that innocent. However fines or pure fiscal tangibles Laislica are not the answer longer term.

Infractors must be punished and incarcerated according to their crime. MUST. These boys will need to go for twenty plus years or whatever. They took an innocent life in a horrific way. It is a society debt too not just a personal one to the victim's family.

But education is the silver bullet. Education is the only way, that boy who held the baseball bat, the very son of a police office, him who hit that laying body, could have become something better than what he has been shown by his father and his poor peers around him.

It is a generational time lag I know. But Thailand is desperate for it. On this we agree.

I would add anecdotally that three 'hi~so' Thais did the same criminal thing in Melbourne, outside of a 7/11 for loss of face when a young Australian protected their would be victim. Knifed young Luke Mitchell and fled back to Thailand overnight. They brought Thai culture to Australia and inflicted the same result by virtue of their gang weakness.

Changing the culture is showing the future to young people. Here, in that footage, i could show that to all my students and they would see weakness not strength. Kids need to commentate on this not us. Unfortunately, it is from little things big things grow.

I remember being in Sligo in 1980 and talking to a young boy then about peace. I will never forget, he did not believe it possible. But largely he has been proven wrong. You must upbraid the levels of the young to meet their betterment and ours also.

However, to be clear, none of this commentary should deflect from the horror of a murdered boy by thugs i have seen today.

Perhaps we are on the same page?

In post 11, I wanted the Judge to :-

"

I am going to make an example of you by handing down the maximum sentences that the Law allows.

You will serve the full term with no remission."

Penalise parents

Fine and give compensation on the promise of jail terms if not paid.

This is not the Land of Smiles.

It is the Land of Money!

Money is the start and end of everything in Thailand.

If you have it, there is no punishment for ANY crime.

I say again, only by jailing and taking their Money will Thais take any notice.

Howeer, stupid they are not.

Hurt their freedom and wallet and tey learn real quick.

Teaching has not worked, and may never do in any reasonable time frame, in Thailand.

Remember the quote:- "When the student is ready, a teacher will appear"?

Conversely, when the student is not ready - nothing will be learned.

Understandable. You want avenging reprisals as well as justice.

Punitive reprisals are important but they are not the same as avenging reprisals. I have said these thugs must pay the price. It is a common debt they must pay to victims and the world i live in too.

But i have also offered the next, less remedial step, that is to change future behavior. You say if 'the student is not ready' nothing can be learnt"... thus the axiom is the stick.

I am in that classroom and will tell you nothing begets the same like the stick.

The kids i teach in Melb today are a far cry from those in Thailand. But the mantra remains. Kids judge better and affect the future with immediacy and positive change that vengeance will not motive them to do so.

The loss remains the same. I am just sayin', hope and change lies where i sit and with what i do.

[pedro01]

The 'Thais don't care' posts on this thread are nothing more than pure ignorance.

I know plenty if Thais that are disgusted with this.

About 9 months ago I was in a restaurant and downing a few icy Sapporos. Three Thai guys came in, I would guess early 30's.

We got chatting and I went to sit with them and more beers were polished off. At one point they asked if I would stay in Thailand forever. I told them I liked it but that I have a young son who will be 18 years old in 5 years and that I thought this place was very dangerous for late teens.

They agreed and told me that I really had to teach him to keep his mouth shut and say sorry if involved in any incident as the chances were high of things spiralling out of control. They all shared my concerns and agreed distaste for the way things were.

Plenty of Thais are very concerned about this.

[kiwikeith]

A juvenile and a baseball bat killing, over nothing?!. What do you say here...

Just been up there, looked like a nice place , bike for dad was on everyone nice and happy while something to do.

Sign of the times unfortunately, happens in every country, gang bashings and murder are quite frequent in NZ.

Alcohol low employment , bums on seats action movies, zombie movies, and in Thailand soap opera rubbish.

The poor old world is becoming Mad Max more and more by the day.

[laislica]

The 'Thais don't care' posts on this thread are nothing more than pure ignorance.

I know plenty if Thais that are disgusted with this.

About 9 months ago I was in a restaurant and downing a few icy Sapporos. Three Thai guys came in, I would guess early 30's.

We got chatting and I went to sit with them and more beers were polished off. At one point they asked if I would stay in Thailand forever. I told them I liked it but that I have a young son who will be 18 years old in 5 years and that I thought this place was very dangerous for late teens.

They agreed and told me that I really had to teach him to keep his mouth shut and say sorry if involved in any incident as the chances were high of things spiralling out of control. They all shared my concerns and agreed distaste for the way things were.

Plenty of Thais are very concerned about this.

From my POV, Many Thai's care but they accept it.

Is that the same thing?

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is

for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

Last year at the funeral we stayed in apartment.

A Thai lady working there had lost her son the year before too.

I know Thai's who, upon noticing a bunch of students gathering, will walk away,

afraid that violence is about to break out.

But they do nothing.

The guys who gave you advice, what do they do about it other than "teach him to keep his mouth shut and say sorry if involved in any incident as the chances were high of things spiralling out of control. They all shared my concerns and agreed distaste for the way things were."

And did NOTHING?

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is

for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

[laislica]

Whilst I feel that posting the video is a crime in itself,

it was probably only the outrage following the publication that forced the Police to take action.

This type of "incident" (sic), is so common, it is not news worthy.

Thai's seem to accept it as a norm.

Thai's seem to think that the students are only children, playing children's games.

Until the Thai Justice System takes this seriously, country wide and enforces maximum penalties, nothing will change.

Thai's respond quickly to pain in the wallet!

Apart from in the "villages",

I now see many more folk on m/c's wearing crash helmets,

simply because they were fined again and again.

Teaching, talking, showing does not work here.

IMHO, only regular fines work!

I have been deeply affected, troubled by what i saw but i do not retract the spirit of what i posted prior to the vision. Indeed, having to clear my eyes a little, i have reflected and feel it to be more true having seen the horrors of those thug's actions upon that innocent. However fines or pure fiscal tangibles Laislica are not the answer longer term.

Infractors must be punished and incarcerated according to their crime. MUST. These boys will need to go for twenty plus years or whatever. They took an innocent life in a horrific way. It is a society debt too not just a personal one to the victim's family.

But education is the silver bullet. Education is the only way, that boy who held the baseball bat, the very son of a police office, him who hit that laying body, could have become something better than what he has been shown by his father and his poor peers around him.

It is a generational time lag I know. But Thailand is desperate for it. On this we agree.

I would add anecdotally that three 'hi~so' Thais did the same criminal thing in Melbourne, outside of a 7/11 for loss of face when a young Australian protected their would be victim. Knifed young Luke Mitchell and fled back to Thailand overnight. They brought Thai culture to Australia and inflicted the same result by virtue of their gang weakness.

Changing the culture is showing the future to young people. Here, in that footage, i could show that to all my students and they would see weakness not strength. Kids need to commentate on this not us. Unfortunately, it is from little things big things grow.

I remember being in Sligo in 1980 and talking to a young boy then about peace. I will never forget, he did not believe it possible. But largely he has been proven wrong. You must upbraid the levels of the young to meet their betterment and ours also.

However, to be clear, none of this commentary should deflect from the horror of a murdered boy by thugs i have seen today.

Perhaps we are on the same page?

In post 11, I wanted the Judge to :-

"

I am going to make an example of you by handing down the maximum sentences that the Law allows.

You will serve the full term with no remission."

Penalise parents

Fine and give compensation on the promise of jail terms if not paid.

This is not the Land of Smiles.

It is the Land of Money!

Money is the start and end of everything in Thailand.

If you have it, there is no punishment for ANY crime.

I say again, only by jailing and taking their Money will Thais take any notice.

Howeer, stupid they are not.

Hurt their freedom and wallet and tey learn real quick.

Teaching has not worked, and may never do in any reasonable time frame, in Thailand.

Remember the quote:- "When the student is ready, a teacher will appear"?

Conversely, when the student is not ready - nothing will be learned.

Understandable. You want avenging reprisals as well as justice.

Punitive reprisals are important but they are not the same as avenging reprisals. I have said these thugs must pay the price. It is a common debt they must pay to victims and the world i live in too.

But i have also offered the next, less remedial step, that is to change future behavior. You say if 'the student is not ready' nothing can be learnt"... thus the axiom is the stick.

I am in that classroom and will tell you nothing begets the same like the stick.

The kids i teach in Melb today are a far cry from those in Thailand. But the mantra remains. Kids judge better and affect the future with immediacy and positive change that vengeance will not motive them to do so.

The loss remains the same. I am just sayin', hope and change lies where i sit and with what i do.

I do not want revenge.

That could easily be achieved with a few Baht if you know what I mean!

I want nothing more than that they enforce existing, current laws - to the letter until this terrible aspect of Thai culture is eradicated.

As you are a teacher, I can appreciate that you think that teaching is the only way,

but, it ain't worked so far has it?

Necessity is the best teacher, would you agree?

The lessons will be learned if it is necessary, but not until.

But I'm leaving the points you raised for now, hope you don't mind.

I still think we are on the same page.

Just semantics eh?