SURVEY: Britain exiting the EU, do you support it or not?

[ROGER DUNN]

I vote a big YES to be out of the [ so called ] Common Market, for one to stop all the parasites that go there to sponge off the taxpayer.

For two, the powers to be in Brussels dictating what and how they can do, but anytime they need more money to run this absurd organisation,

who do they go to. The best thing is to get out , the worst thing was to join in the first place.

[rijit]

^^ thank the f___ c your in Thailand it deserves you.

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[ROGER DUNN]

rijit, what makes you think Ilive in Thailand, as a matter of fact Ido not.

And with a name like that --------- Well !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[nidieunimaitre]

The EU is run by a bunch of self serving unelected troughing pigs that serve the zionist agenda of cultural marxism and the destruction of the white european race and culture through the age old policy of divide and rule. The globalist 1%ers get their grubbing greedy hands on all the money and the reins of power at the expense of anyone who gets in their way

So OUT,OUT, OUT and then kick out the corporate yes men and women in Westminster and sort out the biased zionist owned media that have done so much damage to the country.

As a side note, I hope Trump becomes president and exposes the evil that Hillary Clinton truly is. He's the last hope the west has to reset itself even though he is too pro-Israel for my liking.

555

[watso63]

The EU is run by a bunch of self serving unelected troughing pigs that serve the zionist agenda of cultural marxism and the destruction of the white european race and culture through the age old policy of divide and rule. The globalist 1%ers get their grubbing greedy hands on all the money and the reins of power at the expense of anyone who gets in their way

So OUT,OUT, OUT and then kick out the corporate yes men and women in Westminster and sort out the biased zionist owned media that have done so much damage to the country.

As a side note, I hope Trump becomes president and exposes the evil that Hillary Clinton truly is. He's the last hope the west has to reset itself even though he is too pro-Israel for my liking.

555

It would be funny if it wasn't true. Know your enemy and play them at their own game. Sussed these muppets out years ago, cashed in before the financial crash, retired at 49 years old to Thailand where I can enjoy looking in from the outside swinging on a hammock with a cold beer. Lovely jubbly??

[Richard W]

Nobody was consulted on whether they wanted a United States of Europe and I hope that the UK can show the way for the rest of Europe and leave.

Some of us believed Enoch and voted on the federal concept. I feel sorry for those who believed Hattersley, that it was just a common market - in goods, labour and capital. Note, however, that whoever we believed, a yes vote accepted the loss of the ability to exclude well-behaved fellow Europeans.

[retarius]

My feeling is that it doesn't matter either way. The EU is nowhere near as bad as it is painted in the press like the Daily Mail, nor is it as good as the CBI leadership claim.

For the ordinary person it won't make much difference in or out...you will still get your cheap holidays in Ibiza and Lanaca; and you will still not be able too many import cigarettes on you way back, despite the HMRC acting against EU law. People will win or lose a few quid each year.

On immigration, business wants it, so if they don;t get cheap labour from the poorer EU countries, they will either a) outsource their manufacturing to China or VietNam or increase the flow of immigrants from the sub continent; most likely a combination of the two.

On Human Rights, it is not the EU, it is the ECHR, which Churchill fought so hard to initiate and bring UK into. Unless we withdraw from the ECHR as many Tories want we will still have to abide by the rulings in Strasbourg. But frankly, The ECHR and Strasbourg Court is pretty much the only thing keeping Britain from becoming a complete police state with no rights at all.

[retarius]

27.4 why are you in Thailand if you support the eu.

Care to explain why 2 million expats live in the EU?

The most affected will be the one mil in Spain in case of a possible Brexit.

Btw this is the reality about the benefit myth:

So some 25000 Brits enjoying benefits abroad and some 50,000 EU migrants enjoying the 70 quid a week on JSA? Net difference 25,000 on about 3500 quid a year....about 192 million out of a welfare budget of about 200 billion. I don't think there is a major economic penatly being paid here....about 3 quid per person per year in the UK, and a vanishingly small % (about 0.001%) of welfare payments.

[Richard W]

Will we Europeans also have the right to vote on a UK exit?

If so, I predict an overwhelming majority will vote the UK out.

Much of what goes wrong in the EU (not all) is because the UK has 1 foot in and 1 foot out.

Schengen - euro - tax and social legislation: the UK should accept it all or leave!

Blair surrendered the opt-out on the social chapter in 1997.

Denmark has a fair few opt-out, including not-only the Euro but also on defence. Do you want to kick Denmark out?

I believe the governments of the UK and Denmark want to deny their own citizens the worker's freedom to move around the EEA or EU with their foreign spouses.

The euro is a bad idea. It requires the ability to trust partner nations, and they aren't all trustworthy. It's based on economic convergence, and that was also lied about. Finally, even the sterling area, even just for England and Scotland, has arguably not converged. I've seen arguments that Scotland would be better off with its own currency!

Schengen is looking like a failed policy. It requires the ability to trust partner nations, and that isn't working too well. Note the recent proposal to allow the EU to take over border controls where it deems a member can't cope! It also seems that regional passport control is needed to track untrustworthy individuals - easy movement for citizens implies easy movements for criminals and terrorists.

It seems that the British government is opposed to free movement for naturalised EU citizens. Which other governments would like to impose restrictions by ethnicity? Quite a few would like a rule of 'No gipsies!'. Liberalism is on the wane. The EU may offer a defence of human rights beyond what is in the European Declaration of Human Rights, but defending human rights currently makes enemies.

[Grouse]

It amuses me that so many seem to think the decision is obvious.

It isn't.

Sadly the case for the EU is not being made strongly enough

The case against is being made in typical shrill fashion by appealing to the base instincts of the poorly informed.

The U.K. Is not part of the Euro zone and not part of Schengen. We also opted out of the social chapters that would have provided much better benefits including great pensions. We have already read that the UK now has American levels of inequality. Shameful.

I have benefitted from having lived in Denmark and in Germany. My sister retired to northern Spain. So I do know something of the conditions in these countries.

Being in Europe does not stop us building business with the BRICS and other developing countries.

Being in the EU brings great inward investment from countries who look on the UK as a door into Europe. The USA, Japan and Australia have all said as much.

If you want to understand the economic case, read the Economist or the FT( or I will spell it out in boring detail)

Sure, the EU is far from perfect - lack of democracy being a key issue for me

Overall, spare us the "shoot from the hip" comments and read up on this important topic.

Me? 80/20 in favour of staying in and fixing the issues from within.

I'm a social democrat at heart and much prefer European principles to American ones....

[Thaimike370]

Leaving the corrupt EU will save the UK 66 million pounds a DAY plus the EU is now asking Britain for 37 billion pounds more. We need to close the borders and stop the unlimited number of illegal immigrants from entering, the vast majority of whom are economic immigrants looking for an easy life at the expense of the British taxpayers. Plus we can then deport foreign criminals and terrorists with no interference from Brussels. So yes, of course, I support it.

[55Jay]

Leaving the corrupt EU will save the UK 66 million pounds a DAY plus the EU is now asking Britain for 37 billion pounds more. We need to close the borders and stop the unlimited number of illegal immigrants from entering, the vast majority of whom are economic immigrants looking for an easy life at the expense of the British taxpayers. Plus we can then deport foreign criminals and terrorists with no interference from Brussels. So yes, of course, I support it.

Wow! Donald Trump for Prime Minister!

[nontabury]

It amuses me that so many seem to think the decision is obvious.

It isn't.

Sadly the case for the EU is not being made strongly enough

The case against is being made in typical shrill fashion by appealing to the base instincts of the poorly informed.

The U.K. Is not part of the Euro zone and not part of Schengen. We also opted out of the social chapters that would have provided much better benefits including great pensions. We have already read that the UK now has American levels of inequality. Shameful.

I have benefitted from having lived in Denmark and in Germany. My sister retired to northern Spain. So I do know something of the conditions in these countries.

Being in Europe does not stop us building business with the BRICS and other developing countries.

Being in the EU brings great inward investment from countries who look on the UK as a door into Europe. The USA, Japan and Australia have all said as much.

If you want to understand the economic case, read the Economist or the FT( or I will spell it out in boring detail)

Sure, the EU is far from perfect - lack of democracy being a key issue for me

Overall, spare us the "shoot from the hip" comments and read up on this important topic.

Me? 80/20 in favour of staying in and fixing the issues from within.

I'm a social democrat at heart and much prefer European principles to American ones....

I think you are very mistaken,as more and more Brits become informed as to the advantages of exiting this corrupt and undemocratic organisation, the more people will want out.Unfortunately I foresee in the next few months a concerted effort by those in power, supported by many in the media to misinform the electorate as to the many advantages of leaving. My question to you, is why are some Brits prepared to accept the argument that we cannot go it alone and prosper, do some elements in the electorate lack the confidence in our own ability.

[nidieunimaitre]

It amuses me that so many seem to think the decision is obvious.

It isn't.

Sadly the case for the EU is not being made strongly enough

The case against is being made in typical shrill fashion by appealing to the base instincts of the poorly informed.

The U.K. Is not part of the Euro zone and not part of Schengen. We also opted out of the social chapters that would have provided much better benefits including great pensions. We have already read that the UK now has American levels of inequality. Shameful.

I have benefitted from having lived in Denmark and in Germany. My sister retired to northern Spain. So I do know something of the conditions in these countries.

Being in Europe does not stop us building business with the BRICS and other developing countries.

Being in the EU brings great inward investment from countries who look on the UK as a door into Europe. The USA, Japan and Australia have all said as much.

If you want to understand the economic case, read the Economist or the FT( or I will spell it out in boring detail)

Sure, the EU is far from perfect - lack of democracy being a key issue for me

Overall, spare us the "shoot from the hip" comments and read up on this important topic.

Me? 80/20 in favour of staying in and fixing the issues from within.

I'm a social democrat at heart and much prefer European principles to American ones....

I think you are very mistaken,as more and more Brits become informed as to the advantages of exiting this corrupt and undemocratic organisation, the more people will want out.Unfortunately I foresee in the next few months a concerted effort by those in power, supported by many in the media to misinform the electorate as to the many advantages of leaving. My question to you, is why are some Brits prepared to accept the argument that we cannot go it alone and prosper, do some elements in the electorate lack the confidence in our own ability.

Dear nontabury chap,

have you recently listened to the BBC world news?

I believe you are in for a surprise when you do next time.

You chaps have lost India!

True!

It has been confirmed.

Stiff upper lip and all that, maybe time for a gin tonic (Bombay Sapphire of course),

regards from Europe,

Cheers.

[John1012]

Will we Europeans also have the right to vote on a UK exit?

If so, I predict an overwhelming majority will vote the UK out.

Much of what goes wrong in the EU (not all) is because the UK has 1 foot in and 1 foot out.

Schengen - euro - tax and social legislation: the UK should accept it all or leave!

I agree, we do not accept the constant overriding of our British national interests by an unelected, unaudited,parysitical organisation that is now the EU. We must leave you Europeans to succumb to your socialistic ideals, and Islam (probably), make a new start. It will be hard initially, but we, the British , are not known to run from a challenge. We will succeed and prosper in a free market world.

[djlest]

I think they should rewrite the book - what the UK really wants is to exist only in partnership with Rich EU countries that have minority of Muslims. Lets also not forget that all the polish that have come in and have taken all the jobs that the lazy Chavs are too good to do, or dont want to do, may need to be kicked out again.

[nontabury]

It amuses me that so many seem to think the decision is obvious.

It isn't.

Sadly the case for the EU is not being made strongly enough

The case against is being made in typical shrill fashion by appealing to the base instincts of the poorly informed.

The U.K. Is not part of the Euro zone and not part of Schengen. We also opted out of the social chapters that would have provided much better benefits including great pensions. We have already read that the UK now has American levels of inequality. Shameful.

I have benefitted from having lived in Denmark and in Germany. My sister retired to northern Spain. So I do know something of the conditions in these countries.

Being in Europe does not stop us building business with the BRICS and other developing countries.

Being in the EU brings great inward investment from countries who look on the UK as a door into Europe. The USA, Japan and Australia have all said as much.

If you want to understand the economic case, read the Economist or the FT( or I will spell it out in boring detail)

Sure, the EU is far from perfect - lack of democracy being a key issue for me

Overall, spare us the "shoot from the hip" comments and read up on this important topic.

Me? 80/20 in favour of staying in and fixing the issues from within.

I'm a social democrat at heart and much prefer European principles to American ones....

I think you are very mistaken,as more and more Brits become informed as to the advantages of exiting this corrupt and undemocratic organisation, the more people will want out.Unfortunately I foresee in the next few months a concerted effort by those in power, supported by many in the media to misinform the electorate as to the many advantages of leaving. My question to you, is why are some Brits prepared to accept the argument that we cannot go it alone and prosper, do some elements in the electorate lack the confidence in our own ability.

Dear nontabury chap,

have you recently listened to the BBC world news?

I believe you are in for a surprise when you do next time.

You chaps have lost India!

True!

It has been confirmed.

Stiff upper lip and all that, maybe time for a gin tonic (Bombay Sapphire of course),

regards from Europe,

Cheers.

Instead of all these silly remarks, why don't you reply to my post 87? after all you are a micro economist.

[nauseus]

The only referendum in the UK relevant to its membership of the EU concerned entry into the EEC, which Britain joined in 1973.The European ECONOMIC Community evolved (or mutated if you like) into the EU over time. At the moment the European UNION is not as united as the name suggests and the discord over the migrant issue shows this.The EU is completely different to the economic club that preceded it.

So, any country the became a member before the formation of the EU should be quite free to leave, or at least take a new vote.

[bangon04]

The UK is an island, very similar to a large ship, if it is overloaded then it will sink.

The British people 40 years ago were asked if they wanted to stay in a '' common market ''. the extent of what that '' common market '' was to become, could not have been in the minds of the people like me that voted.

Its time for the British people to vote for what that '' common market '' has become. a clutter of non like minded countries controlled by a megalomaniac female that must be a descendant of Hitler

The British People voted to stay in the EEC at that time. It made sense to be in not out.

Since then the EEC has been undemocratically morphed into the EU. Yes there should be a vote on whether the British people agree to stay in the EU. Should have happened a long time ago.

There should be a referendum question about leaving the EU but staying in the EEA. The Swiss/Norwegian model is looking more and more sensible.

[stoffel45]

There is more than one way to look at this. Is it good for the EU and/or is it good for the UK?

Who would benefit most by a UK exit?

Clearly the people of the UK would benefit most by leaving the EU.

1. Is a return of the Sovereignty of their Parliament - where they can fire the MPs in the next Election.

One cannot fire the EU Commission because it is 100% not elected.

The EU Commission styles itself as "The Government of Governments".

2. Though the Cameron Government have been found to be cheating on the numbers of Immigrants - the new figures based on the number of new National Insurances issued say that the figure for the Incoming Immigrants is close to 1 million. Not the albeit disgraceful 630,000 claimed by the Government.

Mass Immigration for such a small country as the UK is lethal to all of its services like Schools, Hospitals, and of course, the ubiquitous Welfare Payments.

The List is very long and not very nice.

Add to getting rid of the EU nasties, as above, there is also a massive financial gain. Over £50 million per DAY! Plus - EU costs of legislation to businesses - over £3 billion pa.

Then the British people must consider the effect of leaving the EU.

Will it interrupt or stop Trade? Of course not !

Will Mercedes or BMW or even Volkswagen not wish to sell cars to the UK - their biggest single market? Will the French car industry, perfume industry and wine industry stop selling to the UK?

But if you remember the panic when the EU thought Greece could leave the EU......they are beyond poop scared that Britain will leave.

I will venture that more than 60% of Britons will vote to leave the EU.

After which close watch must be kept on the EU's UK Manager David Cameron not to fiddle the books again.

[sanukjim]

The UK can not afford to leave the EU with its favorable contracts of trade and travel.The GNP of tThe UK is such they would be borrowing money to keep afloat

[mpa]

We must leave you Europeans...

Last time I heard UK was a part of Europe.

[nidieunimaitre]

Dear nontabury chap,

have you recently listened to the BBC world news?

I believe you are in for a surprise when you do next time.

You chaps have lost India!

True!

It has been confirmed.

Stiff upper lip and all that, maybe time for a gin tonic (Bombay Sapphire of course),

regards from Europe,

Cheers.

Instead of all these silly remarks, why don't you reply to my post 87? after all you are a micro economist.

Last time when you said I am a micro economist I let it go by.

I am not a grammar Nazi, and not even German as you suggested.

Now you do it again.

Micro economist.

Before you reply again, would you please be so kind as to google micro and macro economists.

And much to your surprise, you will find that some of the leading macro economists were british: Smith, Ricardo, Keynes.

Not Marx, the German , but he is buried in London.

Sometimes I understand Samran with his hatred towards poms.

[elgordo38]

There is more than one way to look at this. Is it good for the EU and/or is it good for the UK?

Who would benefit most by a UK exit?

Ship them more immigrants, let them have a greater monetary sharing in Greek style bailouts, Let more people flood into Britain to share the "prosperity" there. Give Angela Merkel and Germany a partner to "share" the pain with. Your an island unto yourself Cameron close up the chunnel.

[elgordo38]

People wanting to exit are living in the past.

And not everything was better then, and the glory days of the HK are gone, never to return.

They're much, much better of in the EU and also the EU is much better of with GB in.

Yes share the pain for others stupidity great idea.

[yogi100]

I cannot believe that half of British people want to STAY in the eu...

We were never given the choice to enter the old common market..The traitor Heath [probably blackmailed] put Britain in for one trial year.

We were then asked to vote to STAY in or leave.

How could we now have expected our old markets to give us the same conditions if we now [after one year of telling them to 'p*** off and find another buyer for their produce.]wanted to trade again.

Many ,like me, did not bother to vote to stay but would have rushed to say no to JOINING.

We have now meekly given all of our power of government to faceless gnomes in Brussells..

How can 50% of British people want this to continue?

How can 50% of British people want this to continue?

Probably because many of this 50% are not really British at all.

The pro EUers have seen to it that in their quest to 'rub our noses in diversity'.

[yogi100]

People wanting to exit are living in the past.

And not everything was better then, and the glory days of the HK are gone, never to return.

They're much, much better of in the EU and also the EU is much better of with GB in.

So we should stay in a corrupt organisation that has not even audited it's accounts for 20 yrs. governed by non elected bureaucrats who govern to their wishes and not the people's, continue to relinquish control of who to allow into the UK,need I go on.

By the way steveni, where do you come from?

Certainly not the UK anyway, What does StevenL know about the UK? Nothing, going by such nonsensical comments.

No need for making it personal, and even less need to accuse people of being non sensical without coming up with any arguments.

@ nontabury, if you look at my username you'll see my nationality.

An asssertion means nothing if it is not accompanied with a reason, evidence or proof of why it was made.

Staying in will mean the UK will eventually HAVE to accommodate hordes of the millions of refugees Merkel is inviting into Europe because our sovereignity will have been passed to Brussels or more probably Berlin. One day the UK will become a huge version of Tower Hamlets. Unless you are familiar with such areas as TH, Bradford, Leicester, Luton and many others in England visit one of them on a bus or by car or take a day trip to Paris or have a weekend in Marseilles and postpone your decision on how you will vote.

Then when the day comes vote and God help England if you don't do so wisely.

[tebee]

You do not need the EU for free trade.

A free trade agreement would do that.

It's all the other baggage that comes along with the EU that make it unattractive to people.

Yes but what many people do not realize is that the free movement rules, which is what has let 2 million Europeans come to the UK and 2 million Brits live in Europe ( I'm one of them!) originate from British membership of the European Free Trade Area, not it's EU membership.

If you're one of those who see that immigration/emigration as being part of that baggage, you really need to be campaigning for the UK to leave EFTA as well.

[Ace of Pop]

Yep many Brits live in Portugal,but not to scrounge ,they. Made England not leached of it..now enjoying retirement

[nontabury]

Dear nontabury chap,

have you recently listened to the BBC world news?

I believe you are in for a surprise when you do next time.

You chaps have lost India!

True!

It has been confirmed.

Stiff upper lip and all that, maybe time for a gin tonic (Bombay Sapphire of course),

regards from Europe,

Cheers.

Instead of all these silly remarks, why don't you reply to my post 87? after all you are a micro economist.

Last time when you said I am a micro economist I let it go by.

I am not a grammar Nazi, and not even German as you suggested.

Now you do it again.

Micro economist.

Before you reply again, would you please be so kind as to google micro and macro economists.

And much to your surprise, you will find that some of the leading macro economists were british: Smith, Ricardo, Keynes.

Not Marx, the German , but he is buried in London.

Sometimes I understand Samran with his hatred towards poms.

Stop waffling, just answer my points in my post 87.