Koh Tao murders: Thai Law Society talks possible appeal with Myanmar envoy

[NeilSA1]

" A suspect caught by the surveillance camera of a resort wore pants and also had tattoo​ "

The headman's son or brother was no longer considered a suspect as he had no tattoos.

Do either of the B2 have tattoos?

[mikiea]

I find it hard t believe that a conspiracy of this magnitude exists but I think the original DNA of the semen should be retested and made public.

ehhhh..... what you smoking ......................?

[Krataiboy]

One intriguing aspect of this case, is the "lock" of blond hair found in Hannah Witheridge's hand, which was never matched to the owner. In early reports of the deaths, it was described as a "single strand" of hair.

A lock is a clump of hair. A strand can be a number of hairs, but neither lock nor strand means a single hair - which on its own may well have been insignificant.

Hannah had blonde hair but the hair found in her hand was clearly male, as it was described as blond, not blonde and police tried unsuccessfully to match it to possible falang suspects - or at least those who were still on the island. Unfortunately, it took a while to seal off means of escape and I have no idea whether attempts were made to trace other blond falangs who had been on the island via hotel registers or other means..

I may have missed it, but I do not recall reading anything about mysterious tuft of blond hair piece of evidence in any reports of the trial hearing. Perhaps others know something I do not and for one reason or another it was shown to be irrelevant. I have no idea.

But if it was a lock or strand of someone else's hair other than the victim's, I would have thought this would have been a major plank of any defence against the murder charge. How else could it have ended up in the girl's hand other than being pulled out during a struggle? The implication is that a third person, a blond Caucasian, had been involved in the events of that tragic night.

This is wild speculation, I know, based on flimsy, third-hand evidence, and it clearly does not fit what appears to be an assumption by both the prosecution and defence that both the rape and murder were committed at the same time by the same person or persons.

The blond hair clue points to the possibility of other scenarios which, if not already investigated, surely should have been - and need to be addressed.

One of these is that the murder was the work of an individual or more than one person BEFORE the sexual interference, which could have been opportunist crime committed by someone who came upon their dead or dying bodies.

I know this sounds almost too horrendous to contemplate, but such things do happen. I recall reading accounts of the Thammasat University student massacre of October 1976, where it was stated that some girl students were raped while either comatose or post mortem.

However squeamish one may feel out of respect for the dead couple and their relatives, no possibility, however repellant, should be ruled out in seeking the truth about what really happened on that fateful night and ensuring that justice is done.

[DaveinAsia]

To summarize.

The British couple were murdered by 5 locals incl. a policeman and when this became evident, instead of Thailand's image taking it on the chin and feeling embarrassed for a few months, because of a double cold blooded murder on its shores which incl. a few local peasants who managed to climb up the ladder due to 2 decades of tourism and a corrupt law enforcement officer, they decided to twist and turn the whole shebang and frame 2 Burmese migrant workers and now millions of people all over the world have witnessed how Thailand scams and deceives and when calculated in the long run will cost Thailand billions of Baht on lost income. Ummm. Makes sense right?

Ps; All the best for 2016!

[Artisi]

Given the evidence as presented in the public domain by experts and the police, there is no way that the prosecution could realistically prove "beyond reasonable doubt" that the two accused were guilty of murder. Meanwhile, it is possible that the murderer(s) could still be on the loose. Bottom-line, has justice been served?

NO!

[Fairynuff]

Mr Ambassador, framing these two didn't work so we need to find a way to let them go but we have to save what's left of our face. Do you have any ideas?

[dunroaming]

The Thai authorities will ride this out until the media runs out of steam and the defence runs out of money and momentum.

[The Deerhunter]

"...the protests in Myanmar and other countries such as Sri Lanka and Malaysia were manipulated by Thai people who dislike this country's military-led regime and its junta."

But. But. But. 98.2% of the Thai people are happy with the Junta. Wherever did they find anyone who dislikes it?

All the unhappy people are not living in Thailand. Everyone here IS happy.

[kcirtapyelrah]

Huh, what does Sri Lanka have to do with it?..... Another random Scapegoat accomplice, randomly hand picked by the J*****nta??

"The verdict was not final. The two defendants have a chance to appeal for a reconsideration by higher courts. It could take one to three years for the Appeals Court to reconsider a verdict of the primary court, Dej-Udom said."

Appeal taking another 3 years huh?........ Ahaaaaaah, in other words, it will take 4EVER with as many many danny postponements, until the 2 are too old and grey.

The same old backstabbing BS Thai justice delay game like with other past crucial cases. 've heard and seen that before.......

Its even going to take an extra month by the new committee thats just been set up to help them to understand the VERDICT Where do they find these dim&%#shi^#.

Trust that if ever Thailand is invaded by one of their neighbours the military committee selected is a bit quicker off the mark in deciding who / what the problem is......

They'll act quick enough then, their own arse will be on the line.

[cyberfarang]

It`s a foregone conclusion that there will be an appeal, still found guilty and that the death sentence will be commuted to a life sentence. If gambling was legal in Thailand, I would place 1 million to 1 odds on that.

[kcirtapyelrah]

Dej-Udom said the Law Society had set up a committee to scrutinise the court's verdict, but the association might not be able to file an appeal within 30 days after the sentence was handed down. The lawyers might seek the court's permission to extend the time frame in order to help them understand the verdict, he said.

How much scrutiny do they need, it's been scrutinized for over a year.

[Foozool]

"Strange Days"

[bunglebag]

One intriguing aspect of this case, is the "lock" of blond hair found in Hannah Witheridge's hand, which was never matched to the owner. In early reports of the deaths, it was described as a "single strand" of hair.

A lock is a clump of hair. A strand can be a number of hairs, but neither lock nor strand means a single hair - which on its own may well have been insignificant.

Hannah had blonde hair but the hair found in her hand was clearly male, as it was described as blond, not blonde and police tried unsuccessfully to match it to possible falang suspects - or at least those who were still on the island. Unfortunately, it took a while to seal off means of escape and I have no idea whether attempts were made to trace other blond falangs who had been on the island via hotel registers or other means..

I may have missed it, but I do not recall reading anything about mysterious tuft of blond hair piece of evidence in any reports of the trial hearing. Perhaps others know something I do not and for one reason or another it was shown to be irrelevant. I have no idea.

But if it was a lock or strand of someone else's hair other than the victim's, I would have thought this would have been a major plank of any defence against the murder charge. How else could it have ended up in the girl's hand other than being pulled out during a struggle? The implication is that a third person, a blond Caucasian, had been involved in the events of that tragic night.

This is wild speculation, I know, based on flimsy, third-hand evidence, and it clearly does not fit what appears to be an assumption by both the prosecution and defence that both the rape and murder were committed at the same time by the same person or persons.

The blond hair clue points to the possibility of other scenarios which, if not already investigated, surely should have been - and need to be addressed.

One of these is that the murder was the work of an individual or more than one person BEFORE the sexual interference, which could have been opportunist crime committed by someone who came upon their dead or dying bodies.

I know this sounds almost too horrendous to contemplate, but such things do happen. I recall reading accounts of the Thammasat University student massacre of October 1976, where it was stated that some girl students were raped while either comatose or post mortem.

However squeamish one may feel out of respect for the dead couple and their relatives, no possibility, however repellant, should be ruled out in seeking the truth about what really happened on that fateful night and ensuring that justice is done.

"One of these is that the murder was the work of an individual or more than one person BEFORE the sexual interference, which could have been opportunist crime committed by someone who came upon their dead or dying bodies."

It's been mooted a few times, and not inconceivable. Although if something happened post mortem it could have been coerced rather than opportunistic?

Do I remember right that there was a towel of some sort covering Hannah's head initially? and also that it was from Mon's intouch resort? as was the hoe.

[MickRobbo]

Reality is Thainess takes up a very large portion of Thai peoples mind sets; statements such as "a Thai person could never do such a thing" following a minor altercation in a bar (Thai/s male over reacting) & mafia (head man) offspring gets jumped to the mainland quickly; 'hidden' in BKK then follows the transfer of a large envelope for the cause. The scapegoats had no chance against the police graft, then further Thainess took place till they couldn't back off the direction decided (further loss of face), all over tourism. The international pressure inexcusably enforced (Unpredictably - what's a couple of Burmese boys lives) for the reputational cause? SICK The motivation behind this makes it impossible for the so called judiciary to 'come clean' as it leaves them looking so incompetent globally - A country perceived unsafe, so NOW tourism is profoundly effected. Pity Thailand is still lawless.

[metisdead]

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[tuanku]

Huh, what does Sri Lanka have to do with it?..... Another random Scapegoat accomplice, randomly hand picked by the J*****nta??

"The verdict was not final. The two defendants have a chance to appeal for a reconsideration by higher courts. It could take one to three years for the Appeals Court to reconsider a verdict of the primary court, Dej-Udom said."

Appeal taking another 3 years huh?........ Ahaaaaaah, in other words, it will take 4EVER with as many many danny postponements, until the 2 are too old and grey.

The same old backstabbing BS Thai justice delay game like with other past crucial cases. 've heard and seen that before.......

Its even going to take an extra month by the new committee thats just been set up to help them to understand the VERDICT Where do they find these dim&%#shi^#.

Trust that if ever Thailand is invaded by one of their neighbours the military committee selected is a bit quicker off the mark in deciding who / what the problem is......

Should there be a VIP with an image problem, just about to take over a new job which brings with it the ability to issue a pardon, then there would be something to gain by using this case. Too much planning involved to suggest the whole guilty verdict scenario leads in this direction.

Is it possible to give a pardon if the convicted persons have not owned up to committing the crime though?

[Moonsterk]

Picking up a hoe and bashing a man from behind while he's on the ground, involved in a sexual act, and then having at the female, and doing her in so as not to be implicated by a witness would have been impossible for two short slight men. Besides, everyone knows those boys are just too cute to have done this.

I also heard a rumour the Millers are being paid off and that's why they agree with the verdict.

(SATIRE)

[Moonsterk]

Dej-Udom said the Law Society had set up a committee to scrutinise the court's verdict, but the association might not be able to file an appeal within 30 days after the sentence was handed down. The lawyers might seek the court's permission to extend the time frame in order to help them understand the verdict, he said.

How much scrutiny do they need, it's been scrutinized for over a year.

That's weird, it came out 7 days before this post. Those stupid lawyers, can't they tell the future?

Gee whiz.

(SATIRE)

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Thank you. Certainly is nice to have some responsible adults around.

(NOT SATIRE)

[Moonsterk]

Should there be a VIP with an image problem, just about to take over a new job which brings with it the ability to issue a pardon, then there would be something to gain by using this case. Too much planning involved to suggest the whole guilty verdict scenario leads in this direction.

Is it possible to give a pardon if the convicted persons have not owned up to committing the crime though?

They got bad advice, should have owned up, plead guilty and would be getting out by now.

[berybert]

Dej-Udom said the Law Society had set up a committee to scrutinise the court's verdict, but the association might not be able to file an appeal within 30 days after the sentence was handed down. The lawyers might seek the court's permission to extend the time frame in order to help them understand the verdict, he said.

How much scrutiny do they need, it's been scrutinized for over a year.

That's weird, it came out 7 days before this post. Those stupid lawyers, can't they tell the future?

Gee whiz.

(SATIRE)

A post containing content from a facebook site has been removed as the content is not from a credible source.

Thank you. Certainly is nice to have some responsible adults around.

(NOT SATIRE)

Are you aware that satire is meant to be funny. It is not meant to imply yourself to be a moron.

[greenchair]

" A suspect caught by the surveillance camera of a resort wore pants and also had tattoo​ "

The headman's son or brother was no longer considered a suspect as he had no tattoos.

Do either of the B2 have tattoos?

Now there's a new question that needs answering. Though it would not surprise me at all.

[Moonsterk]

" A suspect caught by the surveillance camera of a resort wore pants and also had tattoo​ "

The headman's son or brother was no longer considered a suspect as he had no tattoos.

Do either of the B2 have tattoos?

Now there's a new question that needs answering. Though it would not surprise me at all.

" Suspect"? I recall the person running was a " person of interest" according to Lt Gen Panya.

[Moonsterk]

One intriguing aspect of this case, is the "lock" of blond hair found in Hannah Witheridge's hand, which was never matched to the owner. In early reports of the deaths, it was described as a "single strand" of hair.

A lock is a clump of hair. A strand can be a number of hairs, but neither lock nor strand means a single hair - which on its own may well have been insignificant.

Hannah had blonde hair but the hair found in her hand was clearly male, as it was described as blond, not blonde and police tried unsuccessfully to match it to possible falang suspects - or at least those who were still on the island. Unfortunately, it took a while to seal off means of escape and I have no idea whether attempts were made to trace other blond falangs who had been on the island via hotel registers or other means..

I may have missed it, but I do not recall reading anything about mysterious tuft of blond hair piece of evidence in any reports of the trial hearing. Perhaps others know something I do not and for one reason or another it was shown to be irrelevant. I have no idea.

But if it was a lock or strand of someone else's hair other than the victim's, I would have thought this would have been a major plank of any defence against the murder charge. How else could it have ended up in the girl's hand other than being pulled out during a struggle? The implication is that a third person, a blond Caucasian, had been involved in the events of that tragic night.

This is wild speculation, I know, based on flimsy, third-hand evidence, and it clearly does not fit what appears to be an assumption by both the prosecution and defence that both the rape and murder were committed at the same time by the same person or persons.

The blond hair clue points to the possibility of other scenarios which, if not already investigated, surely should have been - and need to be addressed.

One of these is that the murder was the work of an individual or more than one person BEFORE the sexual interference, which could have been opportunist crime committed by someone who came upon their dead or dying bodies.

I know this sounds almost too horrendous to contemplate, but such things do happen. I recall reading accounts of the Thammasat University student massacre of October 1976, where it was stated that some girl students were raped while either comatose or post mortem.

However squeamish one may feel out of respect for the dead couple and their relatives, no possibility, however repellant, should be ruled out in seeking the truth about what really happened on that fateful night and ensuring that justice is done.

Lock... or strand. Subject to 3 - 4 translations becomes meaningless. Did it have a root would be the pertinent question.

This is wild speculation, I know, based on flimsy, third-hand evidence, and it clearly does not fit what appears to be an assumption by both the prosecution and defence that both the rape and murder were committed at the same time by the same person or persons.

Agree this assumption was a mistake and puzzling. If the Koh tao boyz regularly embark upon rape parties, they certainly aren't killing them. Why was this episode different? There's a third variant not discovered.

[CharlieH]

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[seedy]

Thread dead since 1 Jan. Restarted yesterday with what looks like the sole intent to keep the endless debate going.

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