Jingthing Posted January 12, 2016 Author Share Posted January 12, 2016 By the time I buy one the cars will know where we want to go before we do. Uh oh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred Kubasa Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Every Thai driver THINKS he already owns a " self driver " ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKKdreaming Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 If they ever build one that they THINK is good enough for Thailand , Vietnam etc and it does not crash into anyone for a year I would buy a few But you program computers for the expected , and that is not what happens in the real world, How will driverless cars work with 100 motorbikes going every direction in front of you at a roundabout ? or motorbikes driving the wrong way on sidewalks and then crossing the street in front of you ? They need to hire 3rd world programmers that know how crazy the real world is and not just DotCom guys in California who ride their push bike to work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHO Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Self driving cars are already here. Thousands of people are driving them every day The system is self learning, and learn from other peoples driving behavior. In two - three years we will already have fully autonumous cars driving on the roads. Lets say 10 years in Thailand. You have to also bear in mind that what this car is doing is extremely simple. It's just Lane Keeping Assist with Adaptive Cruise Control, and maybe some Forward Collision Avoidance if things go wrong. All of these technologies have serious issues - they all only work properly under a very narrow band of perfect conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortenaa Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Self driving cars are already here. Thousands of people are driving them every day The system is self learning, and learn from other peoples driving behavior. In two - three years we will already have fully autonumous cars driving on the roads. Lets say 10 years in Thailand. You have to also bear in mind that what this car is doing is extremely simple. It's just Lane Keeping Assist with Adaptive Cruise Control, and maybe some Forward Collision Avoidance if things go wrong. All of these technologies have serious issues - they all only work properly under a very narrow band of perfect conditions. You're so wrong. It drives on normal roads, turns, breaks. Actually a driver told that a very sharp turn in his neighborhood, his car drove it uncomfortably fast. After a few tries, the car now slows down before the turn. It's getting better every day, as it learns from other Tesla drivers. and they claim it will be fully autonomous in two to three years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortenaa Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 If they ever build one that they THINK is good enough for Thailand , Vietnam etc and it does not crash into anyone for a year I would buy a few But you program computers for the expected , and that is not what happens in the real world, How will driverless cars work with 100 motorbikes going every direction in front of you at a roundabout ? or motorbikes driving the wrong way on sidewalks and then crossing the street in front of you ? They need to hire 3rd world programmers that know how crazy the real world is and not just DotCom guys in California who ride their push bike to work Is not as difficult as you might think. They already have sensors all around the car. Then you "record" human behavior together with all the sensor data, and then process it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHO Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 (edited) Self driving cars are already here. Thousands of people are driving them every day The system is self learning, and learn from other peoples driving behavior. In two - three years we will already have fully autonumous cars driving on the roads. Lets say 10 years in Thailand. You have to also bear in mind that what this car is doing is extremely simple. It's just Lane Keeping Assist with Adaptive Cruise Control, and maybe some Forward Collision Avoidance if things go wrong. All of these technologies have serious issues - they all only work properly under a very narrow band of perfect conditions. You're so wrong. It drives on normal roads, turns, breaks. Actually a driver told that a very sharp turn in his neighborhood, his car drove it uncomfortably fast. After a few tries, the car now slows down before the turn. It's getting better every day, as it learns from other Tesla drivers. and they claim it will be fully autonomous in two to three years. Nar It's just lane keeping assist "turned up to 10", and adaptive cruise with max speed set by good quality map metadata. pfft. I'd love to see it try to pass a motorcycle on the shoulder. The question is: will it crawl behind them, or kill them? Edited January 13, 2016 by IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortenaa Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Nar It's just lane keeping assist "turned up to 10", and adaptive cruise with max speed set by good quality map metadata. pfft. I'd love to see it try to pass a motorcycle on the shoulder. The question is: will it crawl behind them, or kill them? Whatever you say dude.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mogandave Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Hey, what happened to the engine that burned water? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHO Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 OK well, I guess someone has to do it. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=tesla+auto+pilot+fail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gulfsailor Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 OK well, I guess someone has to do it. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=tesla+auto+pilot+fail The discussion is not about where the technology is now, but where it will be in 5, 10 or 20 years from now. We went from piston engined biplanes to jet fighter planes in under 10 years. From the first engine powered flight to landing on the moon in 66 years. So a lot of progress can be made in a very short time frame if the circumstances require. In the case of autonomous cars, it all depends on the demand from the consumer and regulation by government. If either want it quick, the development will go very quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mogandave Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Like the war on poverty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Self driving cars will very likely be superior to human pilots. Simply because they have more and better sensors. Not many of us have 16 eyes around our head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mogandave Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 After 50+ years of auto-pilot & radar still no such thing as a self driving boat, & that seems a whole lot easier to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHO Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 (edited) Simply because they have more and better sensors. What makes you think that's the case? More, yes, but better than ears, better than eyes? You're kidding right? Drive a car that has a reversing camera and reversing sensors - and tell me the sensors tell the story better than the camera does. Now replace the camera with human eyes processed by a human brain Edited January 14, 2016 by IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace of Pop Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Bet they have a prob at self service pumps and puffin up the the rubber to T.A. Specs each day .[emoji125] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHO Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 (edited) Bet they have a prob at self service pumps and puffin up the the rubber to T.A. Specs each day .[emoji125] That's the least if it mate Get a bug stuck to a camera, game over. They'd better work out bug repellant/zappers first Edited January 14, 2016 by IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace of Pop Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Simply because they have more and better sensors. What makes you think that's the case? More, yes, but better than ears, better than eyes? You're kidding right? Drive a car that has a reversing camera and reversing sensors - and tell me the sensors tell the story better than the camera does. Now replace the camera with human eyes processed by a human brain Night vision, ultrasound, microwave radar for example. Also networking, cars can be interconnected and use each other's cameras. High definition GPS positioning is already a reality, with swarming cars they can coordinate with each other and be aware of conditions within kilometers of current place. Human senses are very limited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BKKdreaming Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Ok......cruising Sukhumvit and you come up to the lights at Asok, there is a big bus next to you and between the bus and your self driving car there are 3 motorbikes , and a few motorbikes in front of you and some swerving through traffic on your right..... How many points do you get for each motorbike you hit when they cut in front of you , or your "smart" car cannot figure out the bus from the bikes and pins the bikes under the bus rear wheels ! Throw in a few beggars , Soi dogs and kids trying to clean your windscreen...... Computer overload ! Open road....MAYBE ......3rd world traffic......Not ready for prime time yet..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace of Pop Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 What if it's a Microsoft program updated every 3rd trafficlight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHO Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 It seems we have two groups of people here: those that believe marketing claims, and those that test them. Once you've done the latter, you probably won't be as optimistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mogandave Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Simply because they have more and better sensors. What makes you think that's the case? More, yes, but better than ears, better than eyes? You're kidding right? Drive a car that has a reversing camera and reversing sensors - and tell me the sensors tell the story better than the camera does. Now replace the camera with human eyes processed by a human brain Night vision, ultrasound, microwave radar for example. Also networking, cars can be interconnected and use each other's cameras. High definition GPS positioning is already a reality, with swarming cars they can coordinate with each other and be aware of conditions within kilometers of current place. Human senses are very limited. Yet we still do not have a self driving boat, why is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortenaa Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 (edited) It seems we have two groups of people here: those that believe marketing claims, and those that test them. Once you've done the latter, you probably won't be as optimistic. Tesla is the most popular car in Norway now, and I have several friends who bought one. I'm going to Norway for Easter, and I already secured a rental Tesla Model S for two weeks. I'm a tech guy. I realize its much more complicated to create a fully self driving car than an airplane. But judging from the huge steps forward the developers have done in the last couple of years, I believe we will have fully autonomous car within the next few years. To accomplish such a car to drive in Thailand is not impossible. It's just to record human behavior - while at the same time record sensor data, analyze it, and implement algorithms that follow the same patterns as the human would do. Interesting talk by Chris Urmson, from Google's driverless car program: https://www.ted.com/talks/chris_urmson_how_a_driverless_car_sees_the_road?language=en IMHO, you should definitely watch this video.. Edited January 14, 2016 by mortenaa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortenaa Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 OK well, I guess someone has to do it. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=tesla+auto+pilot+fail Its self learning, so its basically like throwing an inexperienced teenager into the car for the first time. Except Tesla get experience from all the Teslas on the road simultaneously, and learns from the mistakes it makes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHO Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 OK well, I guess someone has to do it. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=tesla+auto+pilot+fail Its self learning, so its basically like throwing an inexperienced teenager into the car for the first time. Except Tesla get experience from all the Teslas on the road simultaneously, and learns from the mistakes it makes. How does that fix the issues of things like: sensors and camera's getting fouled up? All the cars, trucks, motorbikes, cyclists and pedestrians that aren't Tesla connected? The fact that mobile connectivity is patchy no matter what? etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace of Pop Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 No Body Does it Like Tesla.. Perhaps T.A. Can give us a song about it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace of Pop Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Simply because they have more and better sensors. What makes you think that's the case? More, yes, but better than ears, better than eyes? You're kidding right? Drive a car that has a reversing camera and reversing sensors - and tell me the sensors tell the story better than the camera does. Now replace the camera with human eyes processed by a human brain Night vision, ultrasound, microwave radar for example. Also networking, cars can be interconnected and use each other's cameras. High definition GPS positioning is already a reality, with swarming cars they can coordinate with each other and be aware of conditions within kilometers of current place. Human senses are very limited. Yet we still do not have a self driving boat, why is that? There arnt many Gay Boat Owners perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortenaa Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 How does that fix the issues of things like: sensors and camera's getting fouled up? All the cars, trucks, motorbikes, cyclists and pedestrians that aren't Tesla connected? The fact that mobile connectivity is patchy no matter what? etc etc The driver is in control, and you can't take a nap as of now. If the car doesn't know what to do, all autonomous systems are turned off, and the car signals with a high pitched beep, that driver has to take control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted January 14, 2016 Author Share Posted January 14, 2016 I am not talking about now. Yes I have confidence they will advance to handle western roads very well. Here not so sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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