permanent residents may have the right to carry?

[dac1]

Hi I would like to know if a farang permanent resident can apply for legal guns permit anyone can answer please??

[silverado]

as usual , depends on the city/region/ampoe , and depends on the authorities mood.. can also differ from 1 day/week/month to the following morning

hoo yes, depends too on the relationship you have with the competent authorities... a relative among those competent authorities should be a "must have"....

[Crossy]

I think silverado has it, many, many variables.

But one does have to ask why you think you need to carry in Thailand?

If the area in which you live is that dangerous, move.

[Crossy]

Quote from Neversure in the removed duplicate thread:-

First, consider that if you actually shot someone, even with a legal weapon, how much trouble would you be in with the existing court system and all.. ??

You don't need to be a permanent resident. The permit is issued by the Amphur. The permit is issued to you for a particular gun, not just a person where you could carry any gun.

Find a high ranking police officer and "convince" him to go with you to the Amphur. Then you will have to go with the police officer and choose the gun. Then you go back to the Amphur and complete the license. Be assured that there will be brown envelopes involved. Note that the gun will cost more than twice as much as you expected.

I know more than one farang who has a license and I had one when I was living there.

Good luck.

PS By far the most common pistol ammo in Thailand is 9mm which is the NATO standard round. Most ammo is military ball ammo and not what we'd consider defensive ammo. This is due to some treaty based partly on the decision that in battle you cause the enemy more grief by wounding someone than by killing him. The enemy has to devote resources to care for the wounded.

I have suspected corruption when so much military ammo is found in the general population.

Make sure you can find ammo before you buy a gun because ammo is in short supply among civilians. The police officer might help with that.

Cheers.

[KittenKong]

The last thing Thailand needs is for anyone to be allowed to carry weapons of any type.

Far too many complete nutters here (of all skin colours) for that.

[Hedghog]

Yes one can.

Google Thai gun licence.

I have considered applying as I regularly carry large sum of money or gold.

Unfortunately my landlady of many years prefers I don't have a weapon on the premises.

She makes a fair point that I haven't encountered any problems thus far so why carry a weapon which is a fair comment.

[NeverSure]

The last thing Thailand needs is for anyone to be allowed to carry weapons of any type.

Far too many complete nutters here (of all skin colours) for that.

Yeah, like nutters who cut people into pieces and put them in the canal. The problem I'd have defending your statement is that an amazing number of Thais carry guns without being "allowed" to.

You do realize that Thailand has the third highest gun murder rate per capita in the world, don't you? More than double that of the US? Don't look at "homicide" numbers because that includes any killing of a human including suicide. Look at gun murder rates. LINK

Thailand is VERY dangerous.

Cheers.

[bigt3116]

Quote from Neversure in the removed duplicate thread:-

First, consider that if you actually shot someone, even with a legal weapon, how much trouble would you be in with the existing court system and all.. ??

You don't need to be a permanent resident. The permit is issued by the Amphur. The permit is issued to you for a particular gun, not just a person where you could carry any gun.

Find a high ranking police officer and "convince" him to go with you to the Amphur. Then you will have to go with the police officer and choose the gun. Then you go back to the Amphur and complete the license. Be assured that there will be brown envelopes involved. Note that the gun will cost more than twice as much as you expected.

I know more than one farang who has a license and I had one when I was living there.

Good luck.

PS By far the most common pistol ammo in Thailand is 9mm which is the NATO standard round. Most ammo is military ball ammo and not what we'd consider defensive ammo. This is due to some treaty based partly on the decision that in battle you cause the enemy more grief by wounding someone than by killing him. The enemy has to devote resources to care for the wounded.

I have suspected corruption when so much military ammo is found in the general population.

Make sure you can find ammo before you buy a gun because ammo is in short supply among civilians. The police officer might help with that.

Cheers.

"The popularity of this cartridge can be attributed to the widely held conviction that it is effective in police and self-defense use."

This round is designed to be lethal up to 50m but will kill at greater distances. As for wounding the enemy, it sounds like you are talking about when we moved from 7.62mm to 5.56mm, that was the change that was about wounding the enemy.

[CharlieH]

Please do not let this become a debate on the rights and wrongs of gun ownership, that is off topic.

Thanks.

[NeverSure]

Quote from Neversure in the removed duplicate thread:-

First, consider that if you actually shot someone, even with a legal weapon, how much trouble would you be in with the existing court system and all.. ??

You don't need to be a permanent resident. The permit is issued by the Amphur. The permit is issued to you for a particular gun, not just a person where you could carry any gun.

Find a high ranking police officer and "convince" him to go with you to the Amphur. Then you will have to go with the police officer and choose the gun. Then you go back to the Amphur and complete the license. Be assured that there will be brown envelopes involved. Note that the gun will cost more than twice as much as you expected.

I know more than one farang who has a license and I had one when I was living there.

Good luck.

PS By far the most common pistol ammo in Thailand is 9mm which is the NATO standard round. Most ammo is military ball ammo and not what we'd consider defensive ammo. This is due to some treaty based partly on the decision that in battle you cause the enemy more grief by wounding someone than by killing him. The enemy has to devote resources to care for the wounded.

I have suspected corruption when so much military ammo is found in the general population.

Make sure you can find ammo before you buy a gun because ammo is in short supply among civilians. The police officer might help with that.

Cheers.

"The popularity of this cartridge can be attributed to the widely held conviction that it is effective in police and self-defense use."

This round is designed to be lethal up to 50m but will kill at greater distances. As for wounding the enemy, it sounds like you are talking about when we moved from 7.62mm to 5.56mm, that was the change that was about wounding the enemy.

No, it was when a convention mandated that all military rounds be full metal jacket rather than have soft expanding points. Full metal jacket is what all military rifle and handgun ammo is and it tends to "poke a deep hole" rather than expand and do more damage like a hollow point can. Of course it can kill if it hits something vital.

My point is that I'd want to have 9mm because it's the most common round in Thailand and coincidentally is the official NATO round. You're most likely to find some ammo for it.

Again, just be sure you get ammo with any gun because it may be hard to source later.

ONE more time. Think twice or even more times. I don't know that you'd have the law on your side if you used that gun in clear self defense. If you do, you're on your own.

Cheers.

[GuestHouse]

OP, if you do get the right to carry, please come back and tell us where you live.

On the off chance I'm anywhere near you, I'll move.

[scorecard]

The last thing Thailand needs is for anyone to be allowed to carry weapons of any type.

Far too many complete nutters here (of all skin colours) for that.

Yeah, like nutters who cut people into pieces and put them in the canal. The problem I'd have defending your statement is that an amazing number of Thais carry guns without being "allowed" to.

You do realize that Thailand has the third highest gun murder rate per capita in the world, don't you? More than double that of the US? Don't look at "homicide" numbers because that includes any killing of a human including suicide. Look at gun murder rates. LINK

Thailand is VERY dangerous.

Cheers.

Adding more guns is NOT the answer, never has been and never will be!

[Crossy]

As CharlieH notes in Post #9 this thread will not be allowed to degenerate into a "rights and wrongs of gun ownership" discussion!

Please stay on-topic or it will be closed.

[Grusa]

And if I want to shoot pigeons? Air gun, BB, Co2, crossbow, etc? My mu baan is infested!

[GSPaul]

Buy a catapult (available at most shopping malls) ammunition is free.

[thedemon]

The answer is yes, holders of a Certificate of Residence are eligible to apply for a gun permit.

But that would only give you the right to keep a gun at home, not carry it.

[northernjohn]

The last thing Thailand needs is for anyone to be allowed to carry weapons of any type.

Far too many complete nutters here (of all skin colours) for that.

Yeah, like nutters who cut people into pieces and put them in the canal. The problem I'd have defending your statement is that an amazing number of Thais carry guns without being "allowed" to.

You do realize that Thailand has the third highest gun murder rate per capita in the world, don't you? More than double that of the US? Don't look at "homicide" numbers because that includes any killing of a human including suicide. Look at gun murder rates. LINK

Thailand is VERY dangerous.

Cheers.

Those are 2002 stats.

They show the states in the 9,000 range. they are now over 30,000 a year. When I first came here in 2005 I was told Thailand was the 6th largest murder rate in the world.

[cyberfarang]

I once asked a police neighbour the same question. He told me it is possible to get a gun license and own a gun but if I shoot anyone even in self defense I could be thrown into a whole bundle of trouble. I decided against it.

[blackcab]

The short answer is yes. But...

The first thing is that you must have a yellow tabien baan, and you must have had it for a minimum of 6 months. (You mention being a permanent resident, so you exceed this requirement).

The second thing is that there are two different types of permits. One to own the weapon and a specified quantity of ammunition, and a separate licence to carry the weapon in public.

It is conceivable that you might get the permit to own a weapon. With this you could also take the weapon to the range as long as the ammunition and the magazine are in one part of your car (ie. Glovebox) while the weapon was stored in the boot.

I believe you would definitely have more chance as a permanent resident. In reality, I do not think you would get a permit to carry. If you regularly carry very large sums of cash or gold the logical reply would be for you to hire a licensed Thai person to accompany you.

[rocketboybkk]

Also get a great big Stetson & a holster. Change your name to John Wayne & no one will ever mess with you!!

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[metisdead]

A troll post has been removed.

[CharlieH]

Off topic posts removed, once again this is NOT about the right and wrongs of gun ownership.

[LukKrueng]

Quote from Neversure in the removed duplicate thread:-

First, consider that if you actually shot someone, even with a legal weapon, how much trouble would you be in with the existing court system and all.. ??

You don't need to be a permanent resident. The permit is issued by the Amphur. The permit is issued to you for a particular gun, not just a person where you could carry any gun.

Find a high ranking police officer and "convince" him to go with you to the Amphur. Then you will have to go with the police officer and choose the gun. Then you go back to the Amphur and complete the license. Be assured that there will be brown envelopes involved. Note that the gun will cost more than twice as much as you expected.

I know more than one farang who has a license and I had one when I was living there.

Good luck.

PS By far the most common pistol ammo in Thailand is 9mm which is the NATO standard round. Most ammo is military ball ammo and not what we'd consider defensive ammo. This is due to some treaty based partly on the decision that in battle you cause the enemy more grief by wounding someone than by killing him. The enemy has to devote resources to care for the wounded.

I have suspected corruption when so much military ammo is found in the general population.

Make sure you can find ammo before you buy a gun because ammo is in short supply among civilians. The police officer might help with that.

Cheers.

Loads of nonsense in this reply. The permits are not given by the ampoe, and the police has nothing to do with that at all. PR's can apply for a permit in the same process as Thai citizens, however, some governments sometimes instruct the department that handles the permits not to issue permits to non Thais. The easiest way to apply is through a gun shop - most Thais do it this way.

However, the permit is to own and hold a gun at a specific place - be it your place of residence or place of work. The reasons for owning a gun in Thailand can be for sport or self protection. There are strict regulations regarding transporting the gun from your place of holding to another place such as a shooting range / gunsmith shop (as in the gun must NOT be carried on your body, must be separated from ammunition, and while in the car both gun and ammunition must be locked in separate place.

The permit to carry a gun is much harder to get and is applied for after you already own the gun and through different authorities.

Just as a side note - even police officers are only allowed to carry a gun in their jurisdiction area

[Hedghog]

The answer is yes, holders of a Certificate of Residence are eligible to apply for a gun permit.

But that would only give you the right to keep a gun at home, not carry it.

Wrong.

You may carry a firearm for self defence.

For a foreigner,Work permit entered in tabien bahn,pass criminal record check,healthy bank balance.

[NeverSure]

Quote from Neversure in the removed duplicate thread:-

First, consider that if you actually shot someone, even with a legal weapon, how much trouble would you be in with the existing court system and all.. ??

You don't need to be a permanent resident. The permit is issued by the Amphur. The permit is issued to you for a particular gun, not just a person where you could carry any gun.

Find a high ranking police officer and "convince" him to go with you to the Amphur. Then you will have to go with the police officer and choose the gun. Then you go back to the Amphur and complete the license. Be assured that there will be brown envelopes involved. Note that the gun will cost more than twice as much as you expected.

I know more than one farang who has a license and I had one when I was living there.

Good luck.

PS By far the most common pistol ammo in Thailand is 9mm which is the NATO standard round. Most ammo is military ball ammo and not what we'd consider defensive ammo. This is due to some treaty based partly on the decision that in battle you cause the enemy more grief by wounding someone than by killing him. The enemy has to devote resources to care for the wounded.

I have suspected corruption when so much military ammo is found in the general population.

Make sure you can find ammo before you buy a gun because ammo is in short supply among civilians. The police officer might help with that.

Cheers.

Loads of nonsense in this reply. The permits are not given by the ampoe, and the police has nothing to do with that at all. PR's can apply for a permit in the same process as Thai citizens, however, some governments sometimes instruct the department that handles the permits not to issue permits to non Thais. The easiest way to apply is through a gun shop - most Thais do it this way.

However, the permit is to own and hold a gun at a specific place - be it your place of residence or place of work. The reasons for owning a gun in Thailand can be for sport or self protection. There are strict regulations regarding transporting the gun from your place of holding to another place such as a shooting range / gunsmith shop (as in the gun must NOT be carried on your body, must be separated from ammunition, and while in the car both gun and ammunition must be locked in separate place.

The permit to carry a gun is much harder to get and is applied for after you already own the gun and through different authorities.

Just as a side note - even police officers are only allowed to carry a gun in their jurisdiction area

Perhaps you misread what I wrote? A high ranking police officer can help grease the skids for you, if you know what I mean. You're right, he's not officially part of the process but I did mention brown envelopes at some point.

That same police officer went with me to buy the gun and "possessed" it for me until I got the license for it. You need the gun first because the license is restricted to the exact gun.

I got my license at the Amphur. I have no idea where you got yours.

Cheers.

[RigPig]

Just visit your local technical college with a lathe......

[thedemon]

The answer is yes, holders of a Certificate of Residence are eligible to apply for a gun permit.

But that would only give you the right to keep a gun at home, not carry it.

Wrong.

You may carry a firearm for self defence.

For a foreigner,Work permit entered in tabien bahn,pass criminal record check,healthy bank balance.

I suggest that next time you are pulled over at a police road block you show them your gun and tell them the same thing.

[RaoulDuke]

A farang carrying a gun in Thailand is about as useful as an African American carrying a gun in the US. Even if you are legally allowed to, the second you pull it out you will be in a world of trouble and you will become the target, regardless of whether you are the victim or the aggressor. Do you really think that self defense will keep you out of jail if you shoot a Thai? Just having the gun in your possession could get you arrested or shot, regardless of the technicalities or legality.

I would be more interested in seeing what the gun-related homicide rate for white people in Thailand is? I can only imagine that the number is quite minute relative to the unfortunately high rate in the country, and the vast majority of the ones that are targeted are probably doing something that they shouldn't be.

In the relatively unlikely event that you find yourself confronted with a gun, the only logical or rational response is to give them whatever they ask for and be really nice. Dirty Harry is a movie character, not a lifestyle.

[inbangkok]

From my understanding, you will need two permits. One will be to own the gun, the second will be to carry it legally.

Also, I am fairly certain permits are no longer granted in Thailand for general self defense (in regards to ownership or carry) so you may want to check into this. I have heard from many Thai citizens that gun ownership had become increasingly more restrictive over the years.

[Remi080]

Quote from Neversure in the removed duplicate thread:-

First, consider that if you actually shot someone, even with a legal weapon, how much trouble would you be in with the existing court system and all.. ??

You don't need to be a permanent resident. The permit is issued by the Amphur. The permit is issued to you for a particular gun, not just a person where you could carry any gun.

Find a high ranking police officer and "convince" him to go with you to the Amphur. Then you will have to go with the police officer and choose the gun. Then you go back to the Amphur and complete the license. Be assured that there will be brown envelopes involved. Note that the gun will cost more than twice as much as you expected.

I know more than one farang who has a license and I had one when I was living there.

Good luck.

PS By far the most common pistol ammo in Thailand is 9mm which is the NATO standard round. Most ammo is military ball ammo and not what we'd consider defensive ammo. This is due to some treaty based partly on the decision that in battle you cause the enemy more grief by wounding someone than by killing him. The enemy has to devote resources to care for the wounded.

I have suspected corruption when so much military ammo is found in the general population.

Make sure you can find ammo before you buy a gun because ammo is in short supply among civilians. The police officer might help with that.

Cheers.

"The popularity of this cartridge can be attributed to the widely held conviction that it is effective in police and self-defense use."

This round is designed to be lethal up to 50m but will kill at greater distances. As for wounding the enemy, it sounds like you are talking about when we moved from 7.62mm to 5.56mm, that was the change that was about wounding the enemy.

No, it was when a convention mandated that all military rounds be full metal jacket rather than have soft expanding points. Full metal jacket is what all military rifle and handgun ammo is and it tends to "poke a deep hole" rather than expand and do more damage like a hollow point can. Of course it can kill if it hits something vital.

My point is that I'd want to have 9mm because it's the most common round in Thailand and coincidentally is the official NATO round. You're most likely to find some ammo for it.

Again, just be sure you get ammo with any gun because it may be hard to source later.

ONE more time. Think twice or even more times. I don't know that you'd have the law on your side if you used that gun in clear self defense. If you do, you're on your own.

Cheers.

Its bull.. All kind of rounds you can get , anyone that say that other than uncommon rounds are hard to get gets them illegal. Official imports from USA and Europe ships container loads every month into thai not for army use. The thai army have there own import channels. Police and private owners, specially shooting range clubs have a other import channel owned by small import company's. these are legal. The thai govrnm. Give a quota for the amount that can be shipped in, and yeah you'll be surprised how much ton per year.

Recent and updated information about the law in thai:

A foreigner with a permanent residence can own a legal registrated gun. Not to carry around, but within the borders of your own property. Its against the law to shoot a person to injure or kill. So be warned, if you injure or kill some one within your property, your the bad guy. Even thai people, shoot to kill as protection of your life and property is against the law. Strange but true. But... You can have a legal gun.

Give some safe advice to you.

Buy a legal 9mm alarm-gun. These are the same as a real gun, with the same requirements to legalize.

Made from the same materials as a real gun, make the same BANG as a real gun and are made by the same real gun makers. Only difference is that no bullet fly out the barrel. And even this ammo is easy to get if you have a gun license

I buy ammo per large amounts, and get a transport license granted from the shop, just a simple contract you sign when you buy it there.so your legal to transport it from the shop back to your home in a strait line.

Own a gun should be for sport, not for protection. !!!

Think before you buy one.