A Valentine’s Day Salute To Thai Womanhood

[TuskegeeBen]

Born into a deliberately designed Male-Monarchy-based culture, where a multitude of male dominated social values, are relentlessly prevailing “against” them, Thai womenfolk, indeed, are a monumental pillar of strength, in keeping with the virtues of fortitude, patience and perseverance.

From the early stages of life, Thai girls are regarded as Third-class citizen, utility only objects, to the pleasure of the menfolk. Thus, they are socialized to accept the traditional lifestyle of the sub-servient, obedient, non-thinking, house-keeping, child-bearing equivalent, to the simple minded, live-in maid.

As a result, their (Thai women’s) successful strategy for dealing with their male counter-parts, given to the “Little Lord Fauntleroy” aristocrat mentality, is definitely not an easy, walk-in-park accomplishment, to say the least.

In 2016, there yet remains, the genre of elderly Thai grandmothers (particularly in the remote provincial areas) whom are either physically coerced, or terrorized by their own sons of the womb. In some way, shape or form, those most gracious elderly ladies are readily “expected” to kow-tow to the wishes of that son, especially if the patron of the family has already passed away.

In addition, Thailand, as with most Asian cultures, is fundamentally a Negro-Phobic society. The whiter the individual’s skin-color, then the (sub-conscious) presumption of the higher social-status recognition level, is automatically given to that individual, regardless of their economic status.

The pronounced absence of the mainstream, indigenous Thai representation, both within the Thai television media population (except on the most demeaning of character roles), and the flight-service personnel rosters of Thai (National) Airways, speaks volumes, on that topic of discussion, alone.

Then, there’s the existence of perhaps the worst Public Education system, in all of SE Asia. The vast majority of “working-class- indigenous-family” poor Thai-girls are thoroughly disenfranchised, by a universal bureaucratic “caste” system, specifically designed to “keep-them-in-their-appropriate-places”.

Yet still, and despite the foregoing socialized “brow-beatings” endured by the vast majority of Thai womenfolk, the average Thai female, fundamentally remains, a genuinely warm, friendly, kind, nurturing, affectionate, and care-giving example, of the female human being.

All things considered, and regardless of their (sometimes) not so nicely behaved survival tactics, even the collective of “hard-core” Bangkok/Pattaya bar-girls, seem to possess a unique level of feminine tenderness, seldom to be found, anywhere else, on this planet.

My very western wife (editor-in-chief, for-today) both empathizes, and concurs with the foregoing. Her considered opinion being ~ “A Thai woman has got to be thick-skinned, and tough enough, to put-up with all the shenanigans, constantly visited upon them, by the average likes of those blokes”.

So,….today, on Valentine’s Day, 2016, this family of “farangs”, respectfully stands-up, to raise & click our steins, in a celebrated, solidarity salute, to the unwavering, frontier-style fortitude, exemplary of the general cultural character, of Thai-womanhood.

Hip-hip, hooray!Hip-hip, hooray

Edited February 14, 2016 by TuskegeeBen

[lovelomsak]

Hip-Hip Hooray

[curtklay]

Now go back to your padded cell.

[benalibina]

The first 4 paragraphs show how little you really do understand.

I hope for more wisdom in your next topic.

[BB24]

OMG

Do you know the meaning of 'emasculated'? I think your wife is pleased (but maybe never satisfied)

PS - you are right in the many great things you see in Thai ladies - but you are very wrong about why.

[sirineou]

I agree , Thai women need to be celebrated. They are the cornerstone of this country.

We had a crew that build a cement block fence around our property, t was a husband, wife , two sons and a unrelated worker.

Of all the wife was the hardest worker, the one son was useless, always siting in his scooter pruning him self in the mirror why his mother was laboring in the hot sun, it made me sick to watch him.

Lunch time while they lay in the shade she made them food.

I am not used to having women do such physical work in the west, and I admite I was very uncomfortable to watch her work.

My hat off to Thai women

[TuskegeeBen]

The first 4 paragraphs show how little you really do understand.

I hope for more wisdom in your next topic.

Thank you, for your considered opinion. Unfortunately I'm not as well "educated", as are the majority of posters to this forum. So, not much wisdom, to be forthcoming, ever, from this quarter. Sorry about that. Cheers,

Edited February 14, 2016 by TuskegeeBen

[TuskegeeBen]

OMG

Do you know the meaning of 'emasculated'? I think your wife is pleased (but maybe never satisfied)

PS - you are right in the many great things you see in Thai ladies - but you are very wrong about why.

Thank you too, for your sympathetic considered opinion. FYI ~I absolutely love my emasculated state of mind & being And, here's a greeting from my (never-satisfied) wife, of 47 years! Cheers Really!

Edited February 14, 2016 by TuskegeeBen

[TuskegeeBen]

I agree , Thai women need to be celebrated. They are the cornerstone of this country.

We had a crew that build a cement block fence around our property, t was a husband, wife , two sons and a unrelated worker.

Of all the wife was the hardest worker, the one son was useless, always siting in his scooter pruning him self in the mirror why his mother was laboring in the hot sun, it made me sick to watch him.

Lunch time while they lay in the shade she made them food.

I am not used to having women do such physical work in the west, and I admite I was very uncomfortable to watch her work.

My hat off to Thai women

Thank you, for sharing the thought

Edited February 14, 2016 by TuskegeeBen

[benalibina]

I agree , Thai women need to be celebrated. They are the cornerstone of this country.

We had a crew that build a cement block fence around our property, t was a husband, wife , two sons and a unrelated worker.

Of all the wife was the hardest worker, the one son was useless, always siting in his scooter pruning him self in the mirror why his mother was laboring in the hot sun, it made me sick to watch him.

Lunch time while they lay in the shade she made them food.

I am not used to having women do such physical work in the west, and I admite I was very uncomfortable to watch her work.

My hat off to Thai women

Who in Thailand is mainly responsible for raising those ...men, the daddies or the mommies ? NOT my hat off to Thai women....for that.

[1FinickyOne]

"Thai girls are regarded as Third-class citizen" Tuskegee Ben

Just not sure where you get this from? The Thai ladies are often both the glue and the backbone that keeps a family together. They are often in charge of family chores and finances... I live in a village and have lots of extended family here and I just do not see any evidence at all of 3rd class citizens.

But nice of you to post a salute to them anyway...

[TuskegeeBen]

I agree , Thai women need to be celebrated. They are the cornerstone of this country.

We had a crew that build a cement block fence around our property, t was a husband, wife , two sons and a unrelated worker.

Of all the wife was the hardest worker, the one son was useless, always siting in his scooter pruning him self in the mirror why his mother was laboring in the hot sun, it made me sick to watch him.

Lunch time while they lay in the shade she made them food.

I am not used to having women do such physical work in the west, and I admite I was very uncomfortable to watch her work.

My hat off to Thai women

Who in Thailand is mainly responsible for raising those ...men, the daddies or the mommies ? NOT my hat off to Thai women....for that.

Your point is quite valid, indeed. However, try being a bit more generous, with your understanding of the deeply-rooted, coercive socialization of Asian womenfolk, in general. The rules are harsh for Asian women. They either do what they're told to do, according to the established "rules", or suffer the severe consequences. I have seen that real-life motion picture, first-hand.

Edited February 14, 2016 by TuskegeeBen

[TuskegeeBen]

"Thai girls are regarded as Third-class citizen" Tuskegee Ben

Just not sure where you get this from? The Thai ladies are often both the glue and the backbone that keeps a family together. They are often in charge of family chores and finances... I live in a village and have lots of extended family here and I just do not see any evidence at all of 3rd class citizens.

But nice of you to post a salute to them anyway...

Double post of the same text, by mistake. Please see next post, instead Thank you.

Edited February 14, 2016 by TuskegeeBen

[TuskegeeBen]

"Thai girls are regarded as Third-class citizen" Tuskegee Ben

Just not sure where you get this from? The Thai ladies are often both the glue and the backbone that keeps a family together. They are often in charge of family chores and finances... I live in a village and have lots of extended family here and I just do not see any evidence at all of 3rd class citizens.

But nice of you to post a salute to them anyway...

Here's the flip-side of the "Salute_To_Thai Womanhood" coin.

Thai women are historically afraid of their menfolk, and for some very valid historical reasons. For example, when a Thai woman contemplates becoming seriously involved with a foreigner, she commits to the relationship only after having received "permission" to do so (usually based upon that foreigners utility value to the woman's family), from some Thai-guy, often translucently present in the background.

That is the main reason why foreigners are always invited to visit with the "folks" in the province. Its the "sizing-uo" your worth to the family coffer process, prior to your GF getting the "nod" from the patron (not matron) Chief of the family. If you reside in a provincial region, then you should already be aware of that fact. If not, then a sigh! for you, and good luck wishes. Hope your pending lessons are not too bitterly learned. Keep a perpetually smiling face, out there, alone, in the provinces. Cheers

Edited February 14, 2016 by TuskegeeBen

[AZBill]

I'll drink to that!

Edited February 14, 2016 by AZBill

[TuskegeeBen]

I'll drink to that!

Hey, not well written anymore?

[1FinickyOne]

"Thai girls are regarded as Third-class citizen" Tuskegee Ben

Just not sure where you get this from? The Thai ladies are often both the glue and the backbone that keeps a family together. They are often in charge of family chores and finances... I live in a village and have lots of extended family here and I just do not see any evidence at all of 3rd class citizens.

But nice of you to post a salute to them anyway...

Here's the flip-side of the "Salute_To_Thai Womanhood" coin.

Thai women are historically afraid of their menfolk, and for some very valid historical reasons. For example, when a Thai woman contemplates becoming seriously involved with a foreigner, she commits to the relationship only after having received "permission" to do so (usually based upon that foreigners utility value to the woman's family), from some Thai-guy, often translucently present in the background.

That is the main reason why foreigners are always invited to visit with the "folks" in the province. Its the "sizing-uo" your worth to the family coffer process, prior to your GF getting the "nod" from the patron (not matron) Chief of the family. If you reside in a provincial region, then you should already be aware of that fact. If not, then a sigh! for you, and good luck wishes. Hope your pending lessons are not too bitterly learned. Keep a perpetually smiling face, out there, alone, in the provinces. Cheers

yeah, sorry, your ass-umptions are quite wrong... I am neither alone w/Thai people nor foreigners here. Have friends in both worlds. Plenty of Thai and some foreigners. I have been living here happily for more than a dozen years "in the provinces"- - just because you might not be happy living with thai people does not make it a uniform condition... if I smile it is because I have a very enjoyable life. Yes, they do have some different customs which I embrace, unlike some other posters here - it is a different culture and one you have probably read a little about and extrapolated out into thinking you know a lot through stereotypes and not experience... relationships here take on all forms and not just similar to the complaining ones you read on Thai visa - the water buffalo story is pretty tired by now - maybe if you actually spoke the language and had some first hand experience in the provinces, your sweeping assumptions would more closely mirror realities - that is plural - not just one stereotypical reality.

Sure, good luck and cheers to you too.. as you likely say, "same same" to you.

[petermik]

Keep taking the tablets is my recommendation

[TuskegeeBen]

"Thai girls are regarded as Third-class citizen" Tuskegee Ben

Just not sure where you get this from? The Thai ladies are often both the glue and the backbone that keeps a family together. They are often in charge of family chores and finances... I live in a village and have lots of extended family here and I just do not see any evidence at all of 3rd class citizens.

But nice of you to post a salute to them anyway...

Here's the flip-side of the "Salute_To_Thai Womanhood" coin.

Thai women are historically afraid of their menfolk, and for some very valid historical reasons. For example, when a Thai woman contemplates becoming seriously involved with a foreigner, she commits to the relationship only after having received "permission" to do so (usually based upon that foreigners utility value to the woman's family), from some Thai-guy, often translucently present in the background.

That is the main reason why foreigners are always invited to visit with the "folks" in the province. Its the "sizing-uo" your worth to the family coffer process, prior to your GF getting the "nod" from the patron (not matron) Chief of the family. If you reside in a provincial region, then you should already be aware of that fact. If not, then a sigh! for you, and good luck wishes. Hope your pending lessons are not too bitterly learned. Keep a perpetually smiling face, out there, alone, in the provinces. Cheers

yeah, sorry, your ass-umptions are quite wrong... I am neither alone w/Thai people nor foreigners here. Have friends in both worlds. Plenty of Thai and some foreigners. I have been living here happily for more than a dozen years "in the provinces"- - just because you might not be happy living with thai people does not make it a uniform condition... if I smile it is because I have a very enjoyable life. Yes, they do have some different customs which I embrace, unlike some other posters here - it is a different culture and one you have probably read a little about and extrapolated out into thinking you know a lot through stereotypes and not experience... relationships here take on all forms and not just similar to the complaining ones you read on Thai visa - the water buffalo story is pretty tired by now - maybe if you actually spoke the language and had some first hand experience in the provinces, your sweeping assumptions would more closely mirror realities - that is plural - not just one stereotypical reality.

Sure, good luck and cheers to you too.. as you likely say, "same same" to yo

Hey dude, lighten-up. No reason to be so heatedly defensive, especially if your circumstances in the provinces, are what you say they are. The truth is calm, in it's presentation. Not hostile, nor heatedly defensive.

Anyway, my original OP stands as written, primarily due to what I, and my spouse have (objectively) observed, during our tenure, in The Kingdom. Thai women are generally unappreciated, for their effort, devotion to their families, hard-work and loyalty to their spouses, in providing their home-making services.

Valentines Day was just a great opportunity to give them (Thai womanhood) the recognition they rightfully deserve, together with a respectful salute. That's all, folks! Cheers

[TuskegeeBen]

Keep taking the tablets is my recommendation

A typical dunce reply! If you can't contribute something specific to the topic thread, then why bother, at all? Huh?

[1FinickyOne]

"From the early stages of life, Thai girls are regarded as Third-class citizen, utility only objects, to the pleasure of the menfolk. Thus, they are socialized to accept the traditional lifestyle of the sub-servient, obedient, non-thinking, house-keeping, child-bearing equivalent, to the simple minded, live-in maid." Tuskegee Ben

Is this inaccuracy part of your "salute" to Thai ladies? I have been here a long time and do not see this... If that were the case, a Thai lady could not command sin sod. I see Thai ladies receiving much respect from the family. How much time have you spent living in a Thai village? How good is your Thai? If you are making judgments about Thailand and Thai people, it might be helpful to understand that many times direct answers are not given, as a "no" might be considered impolite. And so, unless you have witnessed in person over a long period of time, you might be getting some incorrect answers and developing incorrect points of view.

If I were to read a book about Tuskegee airmen and even spend a few days there talking with people and visiting the local diner, and then started talking about the psychological make-up of the citizens, you would see me out as a know nothing in minutes, I suspect. Spend a couple of years living amongst Thai people in a village, learn the language and customs and ways of life - which I assume you have not done - - and then your comments might have some validity.

I think part of what is offensive is to say such derogatory things and couch it in a "salute" - it did not seem respectful at all - nor knowledgable of Thai ladies. I was insulted not only for my wife and her family - but for the many many fine and dignified Thai ladies that I see and deal with every day. I have a lot of respect for my wife and the values she holds dearly, like helping her parents and family. She does this out of love and devotion and is not a sub-serviant utility object.

Hope this is seen as a contribution to your topic - and you too have a nice day - if you ever want to see a farming village first hand, let me know.

[stoneyboy]

I agree with the OP on certain points,of which I have first hand personal experience.

Thai daughters most certainly do not command the same respect as Thai son's that much is true.

I never saw my brother in law or father in law preparing food in the kitchen like my wife and sister in law.

Quite the opposite,sitting on the floor being waited on hand and foot by the nearest Nong.

The delivery of the OP is exceptional and has in essence served its purpose of getting a rise out of certain fellow members.

Maybe some of the highlighted facts that the OP presented have struck a nerve with others.

Poor uneducated Thai women really are used and abused by all and sundry,some call it culture I call it draconian to say the least.

[TuskegeeBen]

"From the early stages of life, Thai girls are regarded as Third-class citizen, utility only objects, to the pleasure of the menfolk. Thus, they are socialized to accept the traditional lifestyle of the sub-servient, obedient, non-thinking, house-keeping, child-bearing equivalent, to the simple minded, live-in maid." Tuskegee Ben

Is this inaccuracy part of your "salute" to Thai ladies? I have been here a long time and do not see this... If that were the case, a Thai lady could not command sin sod. I see Thai ladies receiving much respect from the family. How much time have you spent living in a Thai village? How good is your Thai? If you are making judgments about Thailand and Thai people, it might be helpful to understand that many times direct answers are not given, as a "no" might be considered impolite. And so, unless you have witnessed in person over a long period of time, you might be getting some incorrect answers and developing incorrect points of view.

If I were to read a book about Tuskegee airmen and even spend a few days there talking with people and visiting the local diner, and then started talking about the psychological make-up of the citizens, you would see me out as a know nothing in minutes, I suspect. Spend a couple of years living amongst Thai people in a village, learn the language and customs and ways of life - which I assume you have not done - - and then your comments might have some validity.

I think part of what is offensive is to say such derogatory things and couch it in a "salute" - it did not seem respectful at all - nor knowledgable of Thai ladies. I was insulted not only for my wife and her family - but for the many many fine and dignified Thai ladies that I see and deal with every day. I have a lot of respect for my wife and the values she holds dearly, like helping her parents and family. She does this out of love and devotion and is not a sub-serviant utility object.

Hope this is seen as a contribution to your topic - and you too have a nice day - if you ever want to see a farming village first hand, let me know.

SIGH!

Indeed! Thank you for your contribution. It is well received. I regret that you received my salutation as an affront, or an insult. It (my OP post) was a sincere effort to respectfully recognize, even the hard-core Thai bar-girls, with a Valentines Day salute.

Obviously, you & I have experienced two very different Thailands. I envy you, sir! However, we did not come to Thailand, in the first instance, with the arrogant notion, that we would teach the Thai people. In fact, we came, as bright-eyed, enthusiastic, open-mindful students. We were most eager to learn from a Buddhist-based culture, that was considerably older (presumed to be far more wiser) than our own. Duh, is the embarrassing label for these two, naive, western senior expats. We are not angry, but sadly disappointed.

Now, my previous friendly reply attempt to bring more calmness between us, was obviously an effort in futility, on my part. You seem hell-bent to persist with pursuing an argumentative, billigerant, and contentious line-tone of communication. Reasonable people, in my life's experience, do not behave that way.

I reiterate: The truth is calm, in it's presentation. Not hostile, nor heatedly defensive. Thanks, but no thanks, re: your visitation~invitation. We (you & I) are definitely not on the same cognitive-consciouslness page, in the Compatibility Book of Life.

Best wishes, Cheers. Adios,

Edited February 15, 2016 by TuskegeeBen

[benalibina]

I agree with the OP on certain points,of which I have first hand personal experience.

Thai daughters most certainly do not command the same respect as Thai son's that much is true.

I never saw my brother in law or father in law preparing food in the kitchen like my wife and sister in law.

Quite the opposite,sitting on the floor being waited on hand and foot by the nearest Nong.

The delivery of the OP is exceptional and has in essence served its purpose of getting a rise out of certain fellow members.

Maybe some of the highlighted facts that the OP presented have struck a nerve with others.

Poor uneducated Thai women really are used and abused by all and sundry,some call it culture I call it draconian to say the least.

Open your eyes a little more and learn to think about the WHY of your observations.

Your last sentence......used and abused by WHO, mostly ofcourse ?

[stoneyboy]

I agree with the OP on certain points,of which I have first hand personal experience.

Thai daughters most certainly do not command the same respect as Thai son's that much is true.

I never saw my brother in law or father in law preparing food in the kitchen like my wife and sister in law.

Quite the opposite,sitting on the floor being waited on hand and foot by the nearest Nong.

The delivery of the OP is exceptional and has in essence served its purpose of getting a rise out of certain fellow members.

Maybe some of the highlighted facts that the OP presented have struck a nerve with others.

Poor uneducated Thai women really are used and abused by all and sundry,some call it culture I call it draconian to say the least.

Open your eyes a little more and learn to think about the WHY of your observations.

Your last sentence......used and abused by WHO, mostly ofcourse ?

In the first occurrence of abuse the Thai boyfriend or husband who dumps them with a couple of kids after a few years.

And often in the second instance by ageing over weight foreign expats who have rescued them from the bar scene,whereby the relationship breaks down and descends into fighting and abuse due to the foreigner having absolutely no idea how to assimilate into Thai rural life feeling like he is being fleeced by the family or whole village.

Sadly for you I fit into neither category.

[thehelmsman]

I agree with the OP on certain points,of which I have first hand personal experience.

Thai daughters most certainly do not command the same respect as Thai son's that much is true.

I never saw my brother in law or father in law preparing food in the kitchen like my wife and sister in law.

Quite the opposite,sitting on the floor being waited on hand and foot by the nearest Nong.

The delivery of the OP is exceptional and has in essence served its purpose of getting a rise out of certain fellow members.

Maybe some of the highlighted facts that the OP presented have struck a nerve with others.

Poor uneducated Thai women really are used and abused by all and sundry,some call it culture I call it draconian to say the least.

What exactly is wrong with the women cooking the food. Probably the "being waited on hand and foot" is likely an exageration.

But, it makes for interesting reading.

[pgrahmm]

I agree with the OP on certain points,of which I have first hand personal experience.

Thai daughters most certainly do not command the same respect as Thai son's that much is true.

I never saw my brother in law or father in law preparing food in the kitchen like my wife and sister in law.

Quite the opposite,sitting on the floor being waited on hand and foot by the nearest Nong.

The delivery of the OP is exceptional and has in essence served its purpose of getting a rise out of certain fellow members.

Maybe some of the highlighted facts that the OP presented have struck a nerve with others.

Poor uneducated Thai women really are used and abused by all and sundry,some call it culture I call it draconian to say the least.

What exactly is wrong with the women cooking the food. Probably the "being waited on hand and foot" is likely an exageration.

But, it makes for interesting reading.

I find the Thai women to be the quiet strength that is the glue of the family.....And most with a pleasant glow of optimism and a certain degree of thankfulness sprinkled with humor and glad for what they have....Happy keeping the family in harmony - as best they can......

Most carry about their lives with a degree of elegance and a quiet dignity and strength......I always find myself admiring these traits - but they are so subtle they cac be overlooked and taken for granted....

I can speak only for my family and say I have often seen my BIL cook ..... I have also seen my FIL iron if needed for himself.....To me those are signs of respect for their wives....I cannot think of one woman in the family that is angry, harsh or loud - but they do stand their ground when needed making their point win/lose/draw.....99% soft, caring, and loving.....

My wife was the first to have a Uni degree in the immediate family.....Her family supported her and housed her through school....They currently are doing the same for a nephew - even though they themselves do not have formal educations.....He was told qualify for school OR work but no lazing around....When at their farm he has the option of working for his party money......

So TB - agree and rejoice in your salute to Thai women/wives/mothers and their quiet strengths....

I also know from the experience within my own Thai family that some of the Neanderthalic ways of the past are being left in the past.....And the value(s) are being recognized....

[colinneil]

Firstly not all Thai women are uneducated, far from it.

In my extended Thai family only 1 lady is of lower education, all my wifes sisters and my wife have higher education.

Secondly yes my wife waits on me, she does everything for me now and before my accident, she is not treated as a servant she says it is her wifely duty to take care of me.

My duty she says is to provide for us, but not the extended family.

[TuskegeeBen]

It all boils down to the farang individual experiences, observations, and their own perceptions of things, peculiar to Thai culture. The kaleidoscopic right or wrong of considered farang opinions, is really insignificant, when viewed from within the over-all scheme of things, that are, again, peculiarly Thai.

The Russian, and East European farangs, really do have the best (observed) "grip", on how to compatibly assimilate into the cultural fabric of Thailand, without first learning how to speak fluently, from within the kaleidoscope of nuances, "incorporated" within the Thai language arena.

Does anyone else, on the thread, care to venture a guess, as to the reason of WHY that is?

Edited February 16, 2016 by TuskegeeBen

[BB24]

.................

Hope this is seen as a contribution to your topic - and you too have a nice day - if you ever want to see a farming village first hand, let me know.

SIGH!

Indeed! Thank you for your contribution. It is well received. I regret that you received my salutation as an affront, or an insult. It (my OP post) was a sincere effort to respectfully recognize, even the hard-core Thai bar-girls, with a Valentines Day salute.

Obviously, you & I have experienced two very different Thailands. I envy you, sir! However, we did not come to Thailand, in the first instance, with the arrogant notion, that we would teach the Thai people. In fact, we came, as bright-eyed, enthusiastic, open-mindful students. We were most eager to learn from a Buddhist-based culture, that was considerably older (presumed to be far more wiser) than our own. Duh, is the embarrassing label for these two, naive, western senior expats. We are not angry, but sadly disappointed.

Now, my previous friendly reply attempt to bring more calmness between us, was obviously an effort in futility, on my part. You seem hell-bent to persist with pursuing an argumentative, billigerant, and contentious line-tone of communication. Reasonable people, in my life's experience, do not behave that way.

I reiterate: The truth is calm, in it's presentation. Not hostile, nor heatedly defensive. Thanks, but no thanks, re: your visitation~invitation. We (you & I) are definitely not on the same cognitive-consciouslness page, in the Compatibility Book of Life.

Best wishes, Cheers. Adios,

What a pretentious little sanctimonious and emasculated walking eagle you are - that is very clear. Your post was NOT as you say a "a sincere effort to respectfully recognize" - it was thinly veiled attempt to give the wonderful women of Thailand a backhanded compliment, while criticising the 'male oppression' that they accept. Myself and most posters can see right through your post, because you and it have no substance. And we all agree that Thai women are fantastic and feminine - and they fully embrace it. And we all agree that many Thai men do not treat them with the respect and 'equality' they deserve. But - that is why so many Thai women are very happy with Expat men, who do treat them so much better.

Having said that - I will now tell you that any attempt to claim Thai women are 'oppressed' by men and imply they should 'rise up' and demand 'equality' like western women, will always be met with ridicule and disagreement by Expat AND Thai men, AND by Thai women. We Expats do not want them to become the fat nasty self-centred bitches obsessed with themselves and their possessions, that we all left behind. AND neither do the Thai women themselves - they see western women and their 'equality' as the path to unhappiness - and they are right. Why do you think Thai women are so happy (and thin) compared to western women?

I will also say this - after reading all your replies, it is clear to me that you are making false statements about who and what you are - either that or you are a very 'confused' boy who needs to get out more. I think if you are real, then you should take up the offer to visit. But judging your thoughts in your responses, I also think that your 'logic' has a very 'western female' look about it (indignant and inconsistent) - and maybe you are not what you claim to be.