Biden: Campaign rhetoric on Mexico 'dangerous, damaging'

[Publicus]

Who cares about vicente fox....the guy was governor of a state where the sinaloa cartel is based...they were at the height of their power when he reigned so draw your own conclusions. Another crook besmirching mr trump with his tripe.

Is there no other country south of mexico that could manufacture cheap goods for the usa without exporting millions of illegals over in return?

The right sees in Donald Trump their greatest opportunity ever to seize control of the US Government, the executive branch at the least.

VP Biden and several cabinet officers spoke in Mexico the other day for the solid majority of Americans on the issue of immigration, Mexico, Trump's Wall. The right are trying to exploit drug trafficing in Mexico to gain control of the United States. Read what the right says again and again, each and every one of 'em.

The major reason the USA hasn't ever gone over to extremes of left or right, to include a make America great again fascism, is that the vast and broad center electorate votes to maintain a moderate centrist steady course forward. That has not changed. Nor will it.

AP-GfK Poll: Majority of Americans favor path to citizenship

A majority of Americans — 54 percent — support a way for immigrants who are already in the country illegally to become citizens, while 44 percent are opposed. More than 7 in 10 Democrats are in favor, while about 6 in 10 Republicans are opposed.

Still, a significant minority of Republicans — 4 in 10 — do support a path to citizenship. Four in 10 conservative Republicans and 3 in 10 tea party Republicans favor a path to citizenship for immigrants already in the country illegally.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/d1f4f8875ef04bdaaf1bceeaaadde9e2/ap-gfk-poll-majority-americans-favor-path-citizenship

The one time America lurched electorally rather than take steps was in 1932 when FDR swept to the presidency in a roaring landslide. The right has been fighting a rear guard action since. The right hasn't ever been as desperate since as it presently is. Despite all, the USA does not lurch or pitch right. To Donald Trump least of all.

A number of Republicans and all rightwhingers are voting for Trump and listening to Trump. Except for political junkies, they are the only ones doing it.

Middle America in its centrism isn't listening cause they'd heard it all before and for a long time. What Middle America hears from Trump it rejects. Trump's 'style' is rejected by everyone except the far out rightwingers and the most conservative of Republicans.

So the right is cooking up any approach to try to sell its hardware. This is their last best bet which is bad news for 'em because Trump is but a caracature of the US two-bit political fringe.

[Publicus]

Biden is apologizing to a mexican government which has a series of presidents apparently intimately involved in helping build the drug cartels.

But despite the risks, journalist and author Anabel Hernandez not only covers the issue, but also levels accusations of narco corruption in the country’s most powerful institution: the presidency. In articles and books, she has alleged links between kingpins such as Joaquin “Chapo” Guzman and a series of Mexican presidents, including Vicente Fox, who ruled from 2000 to 2006, and Felipe Calderon, in power from 2006 to 2012. According to Hernandez, these leaders’ war on drugs was a farce in which they used soldiers and police to help out Guzman’s Sinaloa cartel. . . . Hernandez suspects the Sinaloa Cartel is only growing in power under current President Enrique Peña Nieto.

https://www.minnpost.com/global-post/2014/07/meet-journalist-who-says-she-can-prove-mexican-presidents-links-drug-cartels

The trickier part is how to make friends. That's where America needs sage leaders like Obama, Hillary and Kerry. People who are willing to take the time, and partake in the long discussions - to try to find solutions to problems.

Like that horrible deal Obama and Kerry made with Iran?

Like that horrible deal when President Obama “traded” five hardened terrorists imprisoned in Guantanamo Bay for the release of traitor Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl?

Like Obama's decision to take out Qaddafi and leave Libya to the terrorists? That was Obama, you know. The "mature" people talked to him and set him straight, right? What a joke.

Obama's stupid boast "We’re leaving behind a sovereign, stable and self-reliant Iraq" only to leave it for ISIS? Those kinds of mature decisions?

Obama running up as much national debt as all other presidents combined for 240 years? That kind of leadership?

Trump will be President in 327 days due to the total lack of leadership in DC.

A good standard Republican conservative comment and point of view.

Democrats and progressives have seen these standard conservative opposition arguments before and we have responded to 'em, so a further reply is not necessary (or the purpose) of this one.

Sometimes even the most standard conservive Republican goes off the deep end but, hey, liberals too get caught up in their rhetoric and the intensity of beliefs.

You are thereby nominated in this post to be the Republican party candidate for Potus in November. In all seriousness, the post is the standard institutional political statement, which makes it most welcome to engage (which, again, is not the purpose of this comment and observation).

The post contains the opposite of a Trump wild undisciplined personalised campaign speech or news conference. The post does instead deal with issues, exclusively and intelligently, regardless of its particular point of view.

No one in the post is accused of sweating. No one is assigned low energy. No one in a wheelchair gets attacked. No war veteran gets criticised for getting shot down over enemy territory and thus imprisoned. No one is bleeding from below. Etc etc etc.

Good post. Keep it going...

[NeverSure]

Biden is not stupid, though his tongue slips often suggest he is. Biden is knowledgeable about diplomacy and foreign policy; for certain. However, Biden's progressive views are more of the same package of deceits that have corrupted the entire American landscape.

There is little reason to believe Trump will represent Americans as they are now indicating they demand to be; Americans hope, Trump promises, but there is little reason to believe it. Why then the viral support? It matters less for analysis whether Trump can deliver then what the American people are stating is absent by their support for Trump. Americans no longer have any hope.

Americans are demanding any action, any effort, even derailment, to stop the US from crashing entirely. That says far more about what the socialist/progressive machine (yes, and Republicans too) have done to America then promises Trump makes.

All politics aside, America is F,.,.d. There are no indices showing a brighter tomorrow. None.

The only people presently voting for Trump are Republicans. -snip-

The Establishment Republican Party is in a tizzy because the wild radical con artist Trump is going to lose in a blowout and take the GOP with him.

The people are voting for Trump in record numbers. They watched debates and they attend rallies in record numbers.

Hillary can't excite anyone and is getting a bunch of yawns.

Trump is going to draw record numbers of voters in November while Hillary's supporters stay home and soak their bunions. This overwhelming number of voters is going to put Trump in the White House.

327

Cheers.

[arjunadawn]

Biden is not stupid, though his tongue slips often suggest he is. Biden is knowledgeable about diplomacy and foreign policy; for certain. However, Biden's progressive views are more of the same package of deceits that have corrupted the entire American landscape.

There is little reason to believe Trump will represent Americans as they are now indicating they demand to be; Americans hope, Trump promises, but there is little reason to believe it. Why then the viral support? It matters less for analysis whether Trump can deliver then what the American people are stating is absent by their support for Trump. Americans no longer have any hope.

Americans are demanding any action, any effort, even derailment, to stop the US from crashing entirely. That says far more about what the socialist/progressive machine (yes, and Republicans too) have done to America then promises Trump makes.

All politics aside, America is F,.,.d. There are no indices showing a brighter tomorrow. None.

The only people presently voting for Trump are Republicans. -snip-

The Establishment Republican Party is in a tizzy because the wild radical con artist Trump is going to lose in a blowout and take the GOP with him.

The people are voting for Trump in record numbers. They watched debates and they attend rallies in record numbers.

Hillary can't excite anyone and is getting a bunch of yawns.

Trump is going to draw record numbers of voters in November while Hillary's supporters stay home and soak their bunions. This overwhelming number of voters is going to put Trump in the White House.

327

Cheers.

They have wheeled Uncle Joe out because Biden still resonates with a large center democratic constituency- the same constituency that [they] now realize supports Trump. Hardly Republicans only.

I am not Republican and have never identified so in my life and I fully support Trump. I have no idea whether he wins or loses but this is actually less important than the impetus that moves him and those who support him; it is to this the media does not speak openly. Trump represents something else taking place and a win or lose the election [it] will not be readily placed back inside its "box." The underlying issue is a total repudiation of all things Obama, all things Progressive, of establishment. Trump is only a person. I hardly think an America now fully cognizant that they are being politically sodomized will take kindly to going back to sleep and bending more.

Many years ago I heard a speech at a straw poll where a man said "Why are we always given the choice between the lesser of two evils? If we are going to choose the lesser evil by what rationale do we make the choice for less evil? Evil is evil." Americans are always left with a bad choice and historically they choose the most agreeable disagreeable choice and each time they are 3 steps further to the Left. Win or lose Trump represents that Americans are sick and tired.

Uncle Joe was brought out of storage because the Progressive Plantation is failing. That Biden could ever offer a moral voice to any topic reveals the bankruptcy and desperation of the Socialist Regime that is called the Democratic Party (not the party of your fathers). Demagoguery? Biden shares Obama's pulpit as being without equal.

[lannarebirth]

Biden is apologizing to a mexican government which has a series of presidents apparently intimately involved in helping build the drug cartels.

But despite the risks, journalist and author Anabel Hernandez not only covers the issue, but also levels accusations of narco corruption in the country’s most powerful institution: the presidency. In articles and books, she has alleged links between kingpins such as Joaquin “Chapo” Guzman and a series of Mexican presidents, including Vicente Fox, who ruled from 2000 to 2006, and Felipe Calderon, in power from 2006 to 2012. According to Hernandez, these leaders’ war on drugs was a farce in which they used soldiers and police to help out Guzman’s Sinaloa cartel. . . . Hernandez suspects the Sinaloa Cartel is only growing in power under current President Enrique Peña Nieto.

https://www.minnpost.com/global-post/2014/07/meet-journalist-who-says-she-can-prove-mexican-presidents-links-drug-cartels

The trickier part is how to make friends. That's where America needs sage leaders like Obama, Hillary and Kerry. People who are willing to take the time, and partake in the long discussions - to try to find solutions to problems.

Like that horrible deal Obama and Kerry made with Iran?

Like that horrible deal when President Obama “traded” five hardened terrorists imprisoned in Guantanamo Bay for the release of traitor Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl?

Like Obama's decision to take out Qaddafi and leave Libya to the terrorists? That was Obama, you know. The "mature" people talked to him and set him straight, right? What a joke.

Obama's stupid boast "We’re leaving behind a sovereign, stable and self-reliant Iraq" only to leave it for ISIS? Those kinds of mature decisions?

Obama running up as much national debt as all other presidents combined for 240 years? That kind of leadership?

Trump will be President in 327 days due to the total lack of leadership in DC.

To be fair, that wasn't entirely Obama's fault. Hillary Clinton played a large role in all those foreign relations and military disasters. Nobody currently running for president has more blood on their hands than she does.

[Publicus]

Biden is not stupid, though his tongue slips often suggest he is. Biden is knowledgeable about diplomacy and foreign policy; for certain. However, Biden's progressive views are more of the same package of deceits that have corrupted the entire American landscape.

There is little reason to believe Trump will represent Americans as they are now indicating they demand to be; Americans hope, Trump promises, but there is little reason to believe it. Why then the viral support? It matters less for analysis whether Trump can deliver then what the American people are stating is absent by their support for Trump. Americans no longer have any hope.

Americans are demanding any action, any effort, even derailment, to stop the US from crashing entirely. That says far more about what the socialist/progressive machine (yes, and Republicans too) have done to America then promises Trump makes.

All politics aside, America is F,.,.d. There are no indices showing a brighter tomorrow. None.

The only people presently voting for Trump are Republicans. -snip-

The Establishment Republican Party is in a tizzy because the wild radical con artist Trump is going to lose in a blowout and take the GOP with him.

The people are voting for Trump in record numbers. They watched debates and they attend rallies in record numbers.

Hillary can't excite anyone and is getting a bunch of yawns.

Trump is going to draw record numbers of voters in November while Hillary's supporters stay home and soak their bunions. This overwhelming number of voters is going to put Trump in the White House.

327

Cheers.

The people are voting for Trump in record numbers

Republican people in Republican party primary voting in each state and in Republican party caucuses in certain states.

A number of Republican people in Republican party electoral events are voting for Trump. All rightwhingers are voting for Trump as each Republican voting event occurs. All rightwingers are voting as Republicans and attending Trump rallies.

Democrats are voting for either Clinton or Sanders. Republicans are voting for Trump or a couple of other stragglers still showing up. Independents who are not enrolled in either party can vote only in some states but never in a caucus of either party.

It is normal that the political party out of power, which the Republicans have been for eight years in respect of the White House, is full of fire and pissing vinegar to get their next guy back in the White House. The Republican party enthusiasm is thus normal and predictable. So try not to get too hysterical to erroneously apply Republican voters' choices in Republican party only electoral events to the general electorate of Democrats, Independents, the rest of the Republican party that rejects Trump.

It is the flaming passion indeed of the fringe right whingenuts and the very most conservative Republicans that are scaring Moderate and Centrist Middle American voters. We in November will vote centrist, not rightwing extremist.

This election campaign to date is scaring Mexico and Mexicans, all immigrants from Latin America, the world itself.

Mexico is our neighbor forever and it's always been short shrifted in contrast to fellow Anglophone Canada. Oui? Until 9/11 US or Canadian travellers never needed a passport to cross the border. In a sharp contrast, Mexicans forever have had US immigration cops almost all of whom are Republicans turning most of 'em upsidedown at the border to shake 'em out.

Republican people and rightwing people. Not the people people. Youse guyz over there need to be kept accurate, i.e., honest.

[NeverSure]

The only people presently voting for Trump are Republicans. -snip-

The Establishment Republican Party is in a tizzy because the wild radical con artist Trump is going to lose in a blowout and take the GOP with him.

The people are voting for Trump in record numbers. They watched debates and they attend rallies in record numbers.

Hillary can't excite anyone and is getting a bunch of yawns.

Trump is going to draw record numbers of voters in November while Hillary's supporters stay home and soak their bunions. This overwhelming number of voters is going to put Trump in the White House.

327

Cheers.

The people are voting for Trump in record numbers

Republican people in Republican party primary voting in each state and in Republican party caucuses in certain states.

A number of Republican people in Republican party electoral events are voting for Trump. All rightwhingers are voting for Trump as each Republican voting event occurs. All rightwingers are voting as Republicans and attending Trump rallies.

Democrats are voting for either Clinton or Sanders. Republicans are voting for Trump or a couple of other stragglers still showing up. Independents who are not enrolled in either party can vote only in some states but never in a caucus of either party.

It is normal that the political party out of power, which the Republicans have been for eight years in respect of the White House, is full of fire and pissing vinegar to get their next guy back in the White House. The Republican party enthusiasm is thus normal and predictable. So try not to get too hysterical to erroneously apply Republican voters' choices in Republican party only electoral events to the general electorate of Democrats, Independents, the rest of the Republican party that rejects Trump.

It is the flaming passion indeed of the fringe right whingenuts and the very most conservative Republicans that are scaring Moderate and Centrist Middle American voters. We in November will vote centrist, not rightwing extremist.

This election campaign to date is scaring Mexico and Mexicans, all immigrants from Latin America, the world itself.

Mexico is our neighbor forever and it's always been short shrifted in contrast to fellow Anglophone Canada. Oui? Until 9/11 US or Canadian travellers never needed a passport to cross the border. In a sharp contrast, Mexicans forever have had US immigration cops almost all of whom are Republicans turning most of 'em upsidedown at the border to shake 'em out.

Republican people and rightwing people. Not the people people. Youse guyz over there need to be kept accurate, i.e., honest.

You.

Will.

See.

It.

[Publicus]

Biden is not stupid, though his tongue slips often suggest he is. Biden is knowledgeable about diplomacy and foreign policy; for certain. However, Biden's progressive views are more of the same package of deceits that have corrupted the entire American landscape.

There is little reason to believe Trump will represent Americans as they are now indicating they demand to be; Americans hope, Trump promises, but there is little reason to believe it. Why then the viral support? It matters less for analysis whether Trump can deliver then what the American people are stating is absent by their support for Trump. Americans no longer have any hope.

Americans are demanding any action, any effort, even derailment, to stop the US from crashing entirely. That says far more about what the socialist/progressive machine (yes, and Republicans too) have done to America then promises Trump makes.

All politics aside, America is F,.,.d. There are no indices showing a brighter tomorrow. None.

The only people presently voting for Trump are Republicans. -snip-

The Establishment Republican Party is in a tizzy because the wild radical con artist Trump is going to lose in a blowout and take the GOP with him.

The people are voting for Trump in record numbers. They watched debates and they attend rallies in record numbers.

Hillary can't excite anyone and is getting a bunch of yawns.

Trump is going to draw record numbers of voters in November while Hillary's supporters stay home and soak their bunions. This overwhelming number of voters is going to put Trump in the White House.

327

Cheers.

They have wheeled Uncle Joe out because Biden still resonates with a large center democratic constituency- the same constituency that [they] now realize supports Trump. Hardly Republicans only.

I am not Republican and have never identified so in my life and I fully support Trump. I have no idea whether he wins or loses but this is actually less important than the impetus that moves him and those who support him; it is to this the media does not speak openly. Trump represents something else taking place and a win or lose the election [it] will not be readily placed back inside its "box." The underlying issue is a total repudiation of all things Obama, all things Progressive, of establishment. Trump is only a person. I hardly think an America now fully cognizant that they are being politically sodomized will take kindly to going back to sleep and bending more.

Many years ago I heard a speech at a straw poll where a man said "Why are we always given the choice between the lesser of two evils? If we are going to choose the lesser evil by what rationale do we make the choice for less evil? Evil is evil." Americans are always left with a bad choice and historically they choose the most agreeable disagreeable choice and each time they are 3 steps further to the Left. Win or lose Trump represents that Americans are sick and tired.

Uncle Joe was brought out of storage because the Progressive Plantation is failing. That Biden could ever offer a moral voice to any topic reveals the bankruptcy and desperation of the Socialist Regime that is called the Democratic Party (not the party of your fathers). Demagoguery? Biden shares Obama's pulpit as being without equal.

I am not Republican and have never identified so in my life and I fully support Trump

My post refers to a number of Republicans supporting Trump and to all rightwingers but especially the fringe rightwhingenuts supporting Trump.

Your only disclaimer in reply to my post is the above.

Care to perhaps make any other disclaimers of the types presented in my post...

[Publicus]

The only people presently voting for Trump are Republicans. -snip-

The Establishment Republican Party is in a tizzy because the wild radical con artist Trump is going to lose in a blowout and take the GOP with him.

The people are voting for Trump in record numbers. They watched debates and they attend rallies in record numbers.

Hillary can't excite anyone and is getting a bunch of yawns.

Trump is going to draw record numbers of voters in November while Hillary's supporters stay home and soak their bunions. This overwhelming number of voters is going to put Trump in the White House.

327

Cheers.

The people are voting for Trump in record numbers

Republican people in Republican party primary voting in each state and in Republican party caucuses in certain states.

A number of Republican people in Republican party electoral events are voting for Trump. All rightwhingers are voting for Trump as each Republican voting event occurs. All rightwingers are voting as Republicans and attending Trump rallies.

Democrats are voting for either Clinton or Sanders. Republicans are voting for Trump or a couple of other stragglers still showing up. Independents who are not enrolled in either party can vote only in some states but never in a caucus of either party.

It is normal that the political party out of power, which the Republicans have been for eight years in respect of the White House, is full of fire and pissing vinegar to get their next guy back in the White House. The Republican party enthusiasm is thus normal and predictable. So try not to get too hysterical to erroneously apply Republican voters' choices in Republican party only electoral events to the general electorate of Democrats, Independents, the rest of the Republican party that rejects Trump.

It is the flaming passion indeed of the fringe right whingenuts and the very most conservative Republicans that are scaring Moderate and Centrist Middle American voters. We in November will vote centrist, not rightwing extremist.

This election campaign to date is scaring Mexico and Mexicans, all immigrants from Latin America, the world itself.

Mexico is our neighbor forever and it's always been short shrifted in contrast to fellow Anglophone Canada. Oui? Until 9/11 US or Canadian travellers never needed a passport to cross the border. In a sharp contrast, Mexicans forever have had US immigration cops almost all of whom are Republicans turning most of 'em upsidedown at the border to shake 'em out.

Republican people and rightwing people. Not the people people. Youse guyz over there need to be kept accurate, i.e., honest.

You.

Will.

See.

It.

e e cummings was a pacifist y'know.

Arrested during WWOne for it. Cummings was accused of not hating the Germans. He liked extended stays in Mexico and in Paris.

Cummings was however a Republican who supported Tailgunner Joe McCarthy so he might indeed be your man today. Donald Trump and Joe McCarthy. Different targets, same stuff.

[Scott]

An off-topic post has been removed. The topic is about Biden and Mexico.

[chuckd]

I see Obama decided to give Biden an "apology tour", just like the one he had earlier.

Neither one helped the US.

[boomerangutang]

Biden is apologizing to a mexican government which has a series of presidents apparently intimately involved in helping build the drug cartels.

But despite the risks, journalist and author Anabel Hernandez not only covers the issue, but also levels accusations of narco corruption in the country’s most powerful institution: the presidency. In articles and books, she has alleged links between kingpins such as Joaquin “Chapo” Guzman and a series of Mexican presidents, including Vicente Fox, who ruled from 2000 to 2006, and Felipe Calderon, in power from 2006 to 2012. According to Hernandez, these leaders’ war on drugs was a farce in which they used soldiers and police to help out Guzman’s Sinaloa cartel. . . . Hernandez suspects the Sinaloa Cartel is only growing in power under current President Enrique Peña Nieto.

https://www.minnpost.com/global-post/2014/07/meet-journalist-who-says-she-can-prove-mexican-presidents-links-drug-cartels

The trickier part is how to make friends. That's where America needs sage leaders like Obama, Hillary and Kerry. People who are willing to take the time, and partake in the long discussions - to try to find solutions to problems.

Like that horrible deal Obama and Kerry made with Iran?

Like that horrible deal when President Obama “traded” five hardened terrorists imprisoned in Guantanamo Bay for the release of traitor Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl?

Like Obama's decision to take out Qaddafi and leave Libya to the terrorists? That was Obama, you know. The "mature" people talked to him and set him straight, right? What a joke.

Obama's stupid boast "We’re leaving behind a sovereign, stable and self-reliant Iraq" only to leave it for ISIS? Those kinds of mature decisions?

Obama running up as much national debt as all other presidents combined for 240 years? That kind of leadership?

Trump will be President in 327 days due to the total lack of leadership in DC.

The deal is as good as can be expected with the Imans running Iran. Iranians aren't stupid.

If left up to Republicans, there would have been no deal whatsoever, and Iranians would be happily making refined U.

Here's how Republicans deal with Iran. True story: Reagan's Sec of State Baker, flew clandestinely to Iran with some other top Reagan operatives. They met with top Iranian leaders (with no mention to US Congress, of course), and here's the best part: The US delegation gave the Iranian leaders a big chocolate cake shaped like a Bible. That's about as good as it gets when Republicans are running foreign policy.

[geriatrickid]

Biden is apologizing to a mexican government which has a series of presidents apparently intimately involved in helping build the drug cartels.

But despite the risks, journalist and author Anabel Hernandez not only covers the issue, but also levels accusations of narco corruption in the country’s most powerful institution: the presidency. In articles and books, she has alleged links between kingpins such as Joaquin “Chapo” Guzman and a series of Mexican presidents, including Vicente Fox, who ruled from 2000 to 2006, and Felipe Calderon, in power from 2006 to 2012. According to Hernandez, these leaders’ war on drugs was a farce in which they used soldiers and police to help out Guzman’s Sinaloa cartel. . . . Hernandez suspects the Sinaloa Cartel is only growing in power under current President Enrique Peña Nieto.

https://www.minnpost.com/global-post/2014/07/meet-journalist-who-says-she-can-prove-mexican-presidents-links-drug-cartels

Perhaps, but those cartels were financed by the US nationals who purchased their products. US companies moved the products, laundered the money and profited from the drug trade. Many of those drug users and profiteers are folks who consider themselves to be progressive liberals. Others consider themselves patriotic Americans or Libertarians or conservatives. All of them though, have contributed to the agony and horrors of those drug cartels.

[arjunadawn]

The only people presently voting for Trump are Republicans. -snip-

The Establishment Republican Party is in a tizzy because the wild radical con artist Trump is going to lose in a blowout and take the GOP with him.

The people are voting for Trump in record numbers. They watched debates and they attend rallies in record numbers.

Hillary can't excite anyone and is getting a bunch of yawns.

Trump is going to draw record numbers of voters in November while Hillary's supporters stay home and soak their bunions. This overwhelming number of voters is going to put Trump in the White House.

327

Cheers.

They have wheeled Uncle Joe out because Biden still resonates with a large center democratic constituency- the same constituency that [they] now realize supports Trump. Hardly Republicans only.

I am not Republican and have never identified so in my life and I fully support Trump. I have no idea whether he wins or loses but this is actually less important than the impetus that moves him and those who support him; it is to this the media does not speak openly. Trump represents something else taking place and a win or lose the election [it] will not be readily placed back inside its "box." The underlying issue is a total repudiation of all things Obama, all things Progressive, of establishment. Trump is only a person. I hardly think an America now fully cognizant that they are being politically sodomized will take kindly to going back to sleep and bending more.

Many years ago I heard a speech at a straw poll where a man said "Why are we always given the choice between the lesser of two evils? If we are going to choose the lesser evil by what rationale do we make the choice for less evil? Evil is evil." Americans are always left with a bad choice and historically they choose the most agreeable disagreeable choice and each time they are 3 steps further to the Left. Win or lose Trump represents that Americans are sick and tired.

Uncle Joe was brought out of storage because the Progressive Plantation is failing. That Biden could ever offer a moral voice to any topic reveals the bankruptcy and desperation of the Socialist Regime that is called the Democratic Party (not the party of your fathers). Demagoguery? Biden shares Obama's pulpit as being without equal.

I am not Republican and have never identified so in my life and I fully support Trump

My post refers to a number of Republicans supporting Trump and to all rightwingers but especially the fringe rightwhingenuts supporting Trump.

Your only disclaimer in reply to my post is the above.

Care to perhaps make any other disclaimers of the types presented in my post...

Actually, no! You stated "The only people presently voting for Trump are Republicans." I responded. That makes your post... 100% incorrect.

When the establishment pulls all the stops out to stop Trump and wheels out Crazy Uncle Joe to add distraction one begins to see the rough outlines of the invested status quo taking shape behind the illusion of our Elected Government- the marriage of the Progressives and Republicans and Establishment and New World Order crowd and North American Union group. One begins to see that their investment in NAFTA, and cheap employment, and no borders, and Fox's musing on a North American single currency are all at risk by Trump's brash remarks. We begin to see that there is an insidious "other" group working at odds to those values shared by most Americans. Listening to V Fox and other Trump detractors we now see there is a full scale rage at the possible unwinding of not public policy but schemes, deceitful, destructive schemes.

It becomes clear that both US parties have sold out to a mercenary agenda years ago and the wall, being a key sticking point- a lightening rod mostly- is actually bringing light to the entire issue and exposing a really deep investment in destroying America. Its like setting a ship on fire to force the rats off. We see them now scurrying about the deck. Trump's rhetoric is dangerous and hopefully it is damaging, but its now clear that their is a shadow government that Obama, Pelosi, Fox, Reid, Ryan, Boner, Biden, Bush, Bush, Rubio, Shulz, Zuckerburg, the pope and others are heavily invested in and is existentially dangerous, and damaging. If ever there was a time to name and shame those who only ape American Values to otherwise stalk their sedition its now.

Trump and "the wall" are no more than a focal point for Americans to now begin to detect the degree of betrayal going on here.

[Jingthing]

Biden is right.

Americans, we've been warned.

There is still plenty of time to BLOCK this dangerous psychopathic incredibly DIVISIVE demagogue from being president.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/mexican-ex-president-compares-trump-to-hitler/

Mexican ex-president compares Trump to Hitler

Trump is exploiting the social fears “that in his time Hitler himself did,” Calderon told reporters.

He warned that Trump “is turning the United States into a neighbor that we’re all going to end up rejecting and hating,” and that was not in the best interest of the United States.

[mopar71]

That's an awful lot of angry future Trump voters. A lot of them aren't even white.

[JHolmesJr]

Oh yeahhh…trump is going to end this love affair with mexico.

[Publicus]

@arunadawn

Actually, no! You stated "The only people presently voting for Trump are Republicans." I responded. That makes your post... 100% incorrect.

My post is accurate, your statement is incomplete and cherry picked which makes it inaccurate. I referred to Republicans, rightwingers, rightwhingenuts supporting Trump. You posted only that you are not a Republican, haven't ever been a Republican. That was your reply. So that is one of three that you are not, by your own posts.

My post invited you to disclaim the other two which you have not done.

In fact after reading the above post I'd wish you were only a Republican. People over on the Dark Side must not care that there's never a dawn or a dawning. Walls must be popular over there too. The howling at the moon people such as Donald Trump who's now quoting Mussollini.

Don't recall Vicente Fox or Filipe Calderon the immediate past two presidents of Mexico quoting fascists then moreover boasting of it. Trump is a dangerous wild card in US politics but his being white and rich makes him acceptable and essentially harmless to the racial and reactionary right wingers.

Trump retweets quote attributed to fascist leader Mussolini

Republican presidential hopeful Donald Trump has retweeted a quote widely attributed to Italian Fascist leader Benito Mussolini.

The tweet, created by a parody account and including Mr Trump's handle, read: "It is better to live one day as a lion than 100 years as a sheep."

The account is named @ilduce2016 after Mussolini's Italian title, the Leader.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35682844

VP Biden's statements in Mexico have been welcomed and accepted there and also very broadly in the USA too. Only the fringe are worked up about the statements of VP Biden in Mexico. The alternative is to put the radicals in charge of US diplomacy and US military forces which begins to make Darth Cheney look like a lamb and the rightwingers look like sheep.

[Jingthing]

But wait, there's more!

In 1927, Donald Trump’s father was arrested after a Klan riot in Queens

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/28/in-1927-donald-trumps-father-was-arrested-after-a-klan-riot-in-queens/?tid=pm_politics_pop_b

[sirineou]

But wait, there's more!

In 1927, Donald Trump’s father was arrested after a Klan riot in Queens

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/28/in-1927-donald-trumps-father-was-arrested-after-a-klan-riot-in-queens/?tid=pm_politics_pop_b

When Trump promises to make America great again , we all know what he means and great for whom.

Personally I Hope he wins the Republican nomination, because it would guaranty a democratic win, regardless of whom the Democratic nominee is . No one can win the presidency with out a large percentage of the Black vote, and only insane Blacks would vote for Trump IMO.

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The trickier part is how to make friends. That's where America needs sage leaders like Obama, Hillary and Kerry. People who are willing to take the time, and partake in the long discussions - to try to find solutions to problems.

Like that horrible deal Obama and Kerry made with Iran?

Like that horrible deal when President Obama “traded” five hardened terrorists imprisoned in Guantanamo Bay for the release of traitor Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl?

Like Obama's decision to take out Qaddafi and leave Libya to the terrorists? That was Obama, you know. The "mature" people talked to him and set him straight, right? What a joke.

Obama's stupid boast "We’re leaving behind a sovereign, stable and self-reliant Iraq" only to leave it for ISIS? Those kinds of mature decisions?

Obama running up as much national debt as all other presidents combined for 240 years? That kind of leadership?

Trump will be President in 327 days due to the total lack of leadership in DC.

The deal is as good as can be expected with the Imans running Iran. Iranians aren't stupid.

If left up to Republicans, there would have been no deal whatsoever, and Iranians would be happily making refined U.

Here's how Republicans deal with Iran. True story: Reagan's Sec of State Baker, flew clandestinely to Iran with some other top Reagan operatives. They met with top Iranian leaders (with no mention to US Congress, of course), and here's the best part: The US delegation gave the Iranian leaders a big chocolate cake shaped like a Bible. That's about as good as it gets when Republicans are running foreign policy.

Well, you almost got it right.

Some 30 years ago, Oliver North (NOT SecState Baker) went to Iran with a Bible signed by President Reagan and a chocolate cake (NOT a chocolate cake shaped like a Bible). In earlier wild west days, this would have been like taking beads to the Indians.

As far as the Iran treaty is concerned.

In the first place, it is not a treaty, it is an Executive Agreement which bypasses Congressional approval.

Without proper UN arms inspections, how do you know the Iranians are not still happily making enriched U?

Lastly, Iran hasn't even signed the agreement yet all the money has been dispatched and the sanctions have been lifted.

There is joy in Tehran and the Imams have gone to the bank, laughing their collective heads off at the deal they got from the Obama/Kerry vaudeville team.

Maybe they should have sent Biden over to soften up the Iranians with apologies before the negotiations got heated.