UK Pound Dipping.

[billd766]

There is no way the European countries will stop trading with the UK.

It is illegal for companies to sell products in the EU that require certification and these products must be identified as being certified.

At the moment there are 206 entities in the UK that are EU registered 'notified bodies' that can issue such certification which is done under EU legislation.

In order to continue with acceptable certification, the UK will need to draw up new legislation in line with the existing EU legislation. That is not going to come cheap and it is not going to happen overnight.

Boris Johnston laughed about the EU ruling on vacuum cleaners, that's fair enough, you can make to any standard you want but you cannot expect to sell the product where you want. The bottom line is that if the new UK standards do not match the EU standards there will be no trade with Europe, or anywhere else.

The EU made it law for certain products to be manufactured to an acceptable standard, something the UK never had before. People criticise that legislation but are very quick to make use of it when it comes to compensation.

Sandy Just because the UK may leave due to Brexit doesn't automatically mean that the EU standard will be scrapped and a new UK standard applied and the UK will still trade with the EU.

As an example a large part of the Airbus of all model types are made in the UK. Now if there is a Brexit on June 23rd does that mean that those parts no longer meet EU standards? They will be manufactured to exactly the same requirements as before and the only thing which may change would be an additional stamp on each item saying made in the UK.

The same will apply to everything already made to the EU specifications and exported to the EU.

What will change is that the UK will be able to trade to other nations without having to go to the EU, cap in hand and saying "Please Sir, can I sell to this country".

Did you know that every 1 in 6 BMW car engines in the world is built in Birmingham? Would BMW decide to pull out of the UK in the event of a Brexit?

If an item has only the Kitemark it can be sold anywhere in the world that recognises and accepts the UK Kitemark standards without the permission of the EU, and if it equals or exceeds the EU standards and is certified as being acceptable, then it can be sold in the EU area also.

A curious thought has just entered my mind.

Just supposing that the Brexit is successful and perhaps several other countries do the same thing, what would happen if the EU were to break up? There couldn't be an EU standard anymore as there would be no EU.

There used to be a British standard called the "Kite mark".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitemark

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Origins of the Kitemark

The Kitemark was originally conceived in 1903^[1] as a symbol to identify products manufactured to meet British Standards' specifications. ‘Kitemark’ came from the kite shape of the graphic device which was drawn up – an upper-case B (for British) on its back, over an S (for standard), enclosed by a V (for verification). ^[2]

The Kitemark was subsequently registered as a trademark on 12 June 1903^[1] and as such is among the oldest product quality marks in the world still in regular use.

It pre-dates the EU by many decades and is recognised worldwide.

[sandyf]

The EU made it law for certain products to be manufactured to an acceptable standard, something the UK never had before. People criticise that legislation but are very quick to make use of it when it comes to compensation.

British Standards regarding manufacture and usage of equipment and systems existed long before Britain's membership of the EU. Have you never heard of the British Standards Institution? Many of those BSs were the leading standards in the world at the time and that might also be true today, too. Manufacturers wanting to sell in Britain pre-EU had to meet those very exacting standards. No doubt many British Standards were used as a basis for the current European Standards.

I used to sit on the British Standards committee for Hot Air Sterilisers and to put it bluntly the system did not work.

The committee was made up of people from the manufacturing companies, who wanted to go back and tell their boss that there was going to be a change that would cost them money.

It wasn't a joke when they said it took 10 years to amend a British Standard.

[sandyf]

There is no way the European countries will stop trading with the UK.

It is illegal for companies to sell products in the EU that require certification and these products must be identified as being certified.

At the moment there are 206 entities in the UK that are EU registered 'notified bodies' that can issue such certification which is done under EU legislation.

In order to continue with acceptable certification, the UK will need to draw up new legislation in line with the existing EU legislation. That is not going to come cheap and it is not going to happen overnight.

Boris Johnston laughed about the EU ruling on vacuum cleaners, that's fair enough, you can make to any standard you want but you cannot expect to sell the product where you want. The bottom line is that if the new UK standards do not match the EU standards there will be no trade with Europe, or anywhere else.

The EU made it law for certain products to be manufactured to an acceptable standard, something the UK never had before. People criticise that legislation but are very quick to make use of it when it comes to compensation.

Sandy Just because the UK may leave due to Brexit doesn't automatically mean that the EU standard will be scrapped and a new UK standard applied and the UK will still trade with the EU.

As an example a large part of the Airbus of all model types are made in the UK. Now if there is a Brexit on June 23rd does that mean that those parts no longer meet EU standards? They will be manufactured to exactly the same requirements as before and the only thing which may change would be an additional stamp on each item saying made in the UK.

The same will apply to everything already made to the EU specifications and exported to the EU.

What will change is that the UK will be able to trade to other nations without having to go to the EU, cap in hand and saying "Please Sir, can I sell to this country".

Did you know that every 1 in 6 BMW car engines in the world is built in Birmingham? Would BMW decide to pull out of the UK in the event of a Brexit?

If an item has only the Kitemark it can be sold anywhere in the world that recognises and accepts the UK Kitemark standards without the permission of the EU, and if it equals or exceeds the EU standards and is certified as being acceptable, then it can be sold in the EU area also.

A curious thought has just entered my mind.

Just supposing that the Brexit is successful and perhaps several other countries do the same thing, what would happen if the EU were to break up? There couldn't be an EU standard anymore as there would be no EU.

There used to be a British standard called the "Kite mark".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitemark

quote "

Origins of the Kitemark

The Kitemark was originally conceived in 1903^[1] as a symbol to identify products manufactured to meet British Standards' specifications. ‘Kitemark’ came from the kite shape of the graphic device which was drawn up – an upper-case B (for British) on its back, over an S (for standard), enclosed by a V (for verification). ^[2]

The Kitemark was subsequently registered as a trademark on 12 June 1903^[1] and as such is among the oldest product quality marks in the world still in regular use.

It pre-dates the EU by many decades and is recognised worldwide.

You are a bit out of date Bill, the Kitemark is not acceptable where a 'CE' mark is required and also the BS standards were never law.

I was manufacturing gas appliances when the EU directive on gas appliances was introduced in 1990. The British Standards Institute and Calor Gas Ltd became the notified bodies for this standard and I put the first product through Calor Gas in their role as a notified body.

Manufacturers, eg my boss, complained bitterly about the work required for certification, but take it from me as far as the public were concerned it was a move in the right direction.

Boris Johnston can laugh but he ought to do a bit more homework.