Military junta invites Worachai for “attitude adjustment”

[tuanku]

Black May! A prediction by the Pheu Thai party MP?

Well here's the irony.

- This government is nothing whatever like the suchinda / sunthorn / narong thug government who had no qualms to shoot and kill several hundred innocent and unarmed civilians and then dispose of their bodies never to be seen again. There is no comparison at all, none. Worachai is just clutching at straws to create division / diversion.

- Worachai's (google for his past history, especially his involvement in trying to get an amnesty for the red leader abroad) paymaster accepted a license (the only license issued at the time - a monopoly) for a national telecoms operation from the main man, the ultimate nasty - sunthorn. Further irony, it was national policy at that time that all telecoms operations had to be run by the state. Did the paymaster say 'hey just a moment, this is illegal' or did he run all the way to the bank with massive money, gained through an illegally gained illegal monopoly and massive overcharging?

Nothing like?

Suchinda was a leader of the National Peace Keeping Council (NPKC), which conducted a coup d'etat that ousted the elected government of Prime Minister Chatichai Choonhavan on 23 February 1991.

Prayuth is the leader of National Council for Peace and Order and conducted a coup against the elected Government in 2014

Suchinda was CIC of the Royal Thai Army

Prayuth was CIC of the Royal Thai Army

Suchinda banned political assembly of more than 10 people

Prayuth banned (selectively) political assembly of more than 5 people

Suchinda promulgated a new constitution

Prayuth tore up the constitution and promulgated a new one

Suchinda's constitution allowed for a non- elected prime Minister (himself)

Prayuths constitution allows for a non-elected prime minister (who might that be?)

Suchinda banned radio stations from playing recordings by several popular singers who had voiced their support for the demonstrations.

Prayuth bans public dissent and has shut down community radio stations

The only thing that hasn't happened - yet - is the civil unrest that followed which is exactly the point Worachai is making...........If it came to that do you really want to put money on Prayuth's army being any less brutal than Suchinda's army?

Nice attempt to stir division - failed.

Thats it? your answer?

you have not added to your statement or subtracted from mine. You multiply your accusations against one faction in the political spectrum and then accuse me of division?

[SABloke]

Black May! A prediction by the Pheu Thai party MP?

Well here's the irony.

- This government is nothing whatever like the suchinda / sunthorn / narong thug government who had no qualms to shoot and kill several hundred innocent and unarmed civilians and then dispose of their bodies never to be seen again. There is no comparison at all, none. Worachai is just clutching at straws to create division / diversion.

- Worachai's (google for his past history, especially his involvement in trying to get an amnesty for the red leader abroad) paymaster accepted a license (the only license issued at the time - a monopoly) for a national telecoms operation from the main man, the ultimate nasty - sunthorn. Further irony, it was national policy at that time that all telecoms operations had to be run by the state. Did the paymaster say 'hey just a moment, this is illegal' or did he run all the way to the bank with massive money, gained through an illegally gained illegal monopoly and massive overcharging?

I'm glad there still are a (very) few junta apologists around. If not for you guys (although the numbers have predictably dwindled drastically) the forum would pretty much be unanimous in it's condemnation of the junta - and that would be kind of boring.

Keep up the good work!!

So what abour Scorecard's post is false?

Not so much a ''Junta apologist'' post, more of a ''pointing out that Worachai is a slippery, multi-headed snake'' post

Edited March 27, 2016 by SABloke

[Hawk]

Black May! A prediction by the Pheu Thai party MP?

Well here's the irony.

- This government is nothing whatever like the suchinda / sunthorn / narong thug government who had no qualms to shoot and kill several hundred innocent and unarmed civilians and then dispose of their bodies never to be seen again. There is no comparison at all, none. Worachai is just clutching at straws to create division / diversion.

- Worachai's (google for his past history, especially his involvement in trying to get an amnesty for the red leader abroad) paymaster accepted a license (the only license issued at the time - a monopoly) for a national telecoms operation from the main man, the ultimate nasty - sunthorn. Further irony, it was national policy at that time that all telecoms operations had to be run by the state. Did the paymaster say 'hey just a moment, this is illegal' or did he run all the way to the bank with massive money, gained through an illegally gained illegal monopoly and massive overcharging?

Nothing like?

Suchinda was a leader of the National Peace Keeping Council (NPKC), which conducted a coup d'etat that ousted the elected government of Prime Minister Chatichai Choonhavan on 23 February 1991.

Prayuth is the leader of National Council for Peace and Order and conducted a coup against the elected Government in 2014

Suchinda was CIC of the Royal Thai Army

Prayuth was CIC of the Royal Thai Army

Suchinda banned political assembly of more than 10 people

Prayuth banned (selectively) political assembly of more than 5 people

Suchinda promulgated a new constitution

Prayuth tore up the constitution and promulgated a new one

Suchinda's constitution allowed for a non- elected prime Minister (himself)

Prayuths constitution allows for a non-elected prime minister (who might that be?)

Suchinda banned radio stations from playing recordings by several popular singers who had voiced their support for the demonstrations.

Prayuth bans public dissent and has shut down community radio stations

The only thing that hasn't happened - yet - is the civil unrest that followed which is exactly the point Worachai is making...........If it came to that do you really want to put money on Prayuth's army being any less brutal than Suchinda's army?

This government is preparing for any civil unrest by purchasing tanks and training an elite group of soldiers to deal with urban terrorism, the training includes the use of live ammunition.

So they are in fact ready to use force if/when the s*** hits the fan. But next time there will be nobody to stop them.

[mtls2005]

Just this week Anand Panyarachun expressed eerily similar sentiments at the FCCT event.

he warned that "a semblance of calm and stability belies tensions beneath the surface".

Obviously he comes from the right side of the tracks - some of his other comments were extremely pointed - so he won't be brought in for an "attitude adjustment", and he continues to enjoy the right of free speech.

As pointed out up-thread by tuanku, things are very similar to 1991. Sure the Junta/Military leaders have different names, and the NPKC is called the NCPO, but 1991 was Meechai's rookie season in the "charter drafting league", where he didn't even bat his weight - he's on his fourth charter - so some of the players are even the same. And there were many purges of unusually wealthy opponents.

Lastly, we are barely six years removed from a significant clash between the Military and citizens, which resulted in many more deaths than May, 1992. Of course those people responsible for the 2010 Military "response" are currently in power. How will they react when confronted with the rowdy Prai? Depends if they've read/learned Thai history?

[MZurf]

Black May! A prediction by the Pheu Thai party MP?

Well here's the irony.

- This government is nothing whatever like the suchinda / sunthorn / narong thug government who had no qualms to shoot and kill several hundred innocent and unarmed civilians and then dispose of their bodies never to be seen again. There is no comparison at all, none. Worachai is just clutching at straws to create division / diversion.

- Worachai's (google for his past history, especially his involvement in trying to get an amnesty for the red leader abroad) paymaster accepted a license (the only license issued at the time - a monopoly) for a national telecoms operation from the main man, the ultimate nasty - sunthorn. Further irony, it was national policy at that time that all telecoms operations had to be run by the state. Did the paymaster say 'hey just a moment, this is illegal' or did he run all the way to the bank with massive money, gained through an illegally gained illegal monopoly and massive overcharging?

I'm glad there still are a (very) few junta apologists around. If not for you guys (although the numbers have predictably dwindled drastically) the forum would pretty much be unanimous in it's condemnation of the junta - and that would be kind of boring.

Keep up the good work!!

So what abour Scorecard's post is false?

Not so much a ''Junta apologist'' post, more of a ''pointing out that Worachai is a slippery, multi-headed snake'' post

Never said his post was false (this time). I simply pointed out that the junta apologists never tire of the "But, but, but...Thaksin" argument. Which, of course, is breathtakingly disingenuous but it keeps the posts coming.

Edited March 27, 2016 by MZurf

[yellowboat]

Black May! A prediction by the Pheu Thai party MP?

Seriously...

is it important who reminds the junta of the actions on the military during those days???

If it was Mark would you say the same thing? or do you reserve with the same condescending manner?

All concerned people should reminded Black May, and far more often than what they get now, I say well done to this bloke and challenge Mark to do the same followed by all MP's then all Thai's.....

Highly predictable response, not surprised, it suits your slant.

Here's a question for you:

What evidence is there that the current government is violent / violence with death? Please respond with a focused answer not a diversion?

No violence as of yet, but plenty of intimidation. Article 44, the new, travel insurance palatable version of military law, does give gold like powers to the junta. A three finger salute is illegal in Thailand. There is a threat of violence. What are you trying to say ? The junta in non-violent, so they are okay by you ?

[Baerboxer]

Black May! A prediction by the Pheu Thai party MP?

Seriously...

is it important who reminds the junta of the actions on the military during those days???

If it was Mark would you say the same thing? or do you reserve with the same condescending manner?

All concerned people should reminded Black May, and far more often than what they get now, I say well done to this bloke and challenge Mark to do the same followed by all MP's then all Thai's.....

Highly predictable response, not surprised, it suits your slant.

Here's a question for you:

What evidence is there that the current government is violent / violence with death? Please respond with a focused answer not a diversion?

No violence as of yet, but plenty of intimidation. Article 44, the new, travel insurance palatable version of military law, does give gold like powers to the junta. A three finger salute is illegal in Thailand. There is a threat of violence. What are you trying to say ? The junta in non-violent, so they are okay by you ?

Intimidation is part and parcel of politics here.

The Shins used their rent-a-mob hired thugs with seemingly connivance from the police whilst their opponents have the military on-side.

Under the last government, excrement was thrown, coffins with people's photos were burned outside their houses, grenades were lobbed, shots fired - at those the government didn't like, protesters murdered, innocents also murdered, at least one opponent was murdered in strange circumstances with a government minister solving the crime before the body was found and any real investigation took place, and someone's mum's house was machine gunned because she dared to blow a whistle at the ex-wife of the big boss man. Not forgetting the use of the defamation and cyber crime laws.

Now we have "attitude adjustment", the usual selective law enforcement that always happens, and the continued use of the defamation and cyber crime laws.

This happens when two or more groups squabble for power and the spoils whilst there is no robust justice system, strong impartial investigative media, suppression of free speech and the right to protest.

[Eric Loh]

Black May! A prediction by the Pheu Thai party MP?

Seriously...

is it important who reminds the junta of the actions on the military during those days???

If it was Mark would you say the same thing? or do you reserve with the same condescending manner?

All concerned people should reminded Black May, and far more often than what they get now, I say well done to this bloke and challenge Mark to do the same followed by all MP's then all Thai's.....

Highly predictable response, not surprised, it suits your slant.

Here's a question for you:

What evidence is there that the current government is violent / violence with death? Please respond with a focused answer not a diversion?

No violence as of yet, but plenty of intimidation. Article 44, the new, travel insurance palatable version of military law, does give gold like powers to the junta. A three finger salute is illegal in Thailand. There is a threat of violence. What are you trying to say ? The junta in non-violent, so they are okay by you ?

Intimidation is part and parcel of politics here.

The Shins used their rent-a-mob hired thugs with seemingly connivance from the police whilst their opponents have the military on-side.

Under the last government, excrement was thrown, coffins with people's photos were burned outside their houses, grenades were lobbed, shots fired - at those the government didn't like, protesters murdered, innocents also murdered, at least one opponent was murdered in strange circumstances with a government minister solving the crime before the body was found and any real investigation took place, and someone's mum's house was machine gunned because she dared to blow a whistle at the ex-wife of the big boss man. Not forgetting the use of the defamation and cyber crime laws.

Now we have "attitude adjustment", the usual selective law enforcement that always happens, and the continued use of the defamation and cyber crime laws.

This happens when two or more groups squabble for power and the spoils whilst there is no robust justice system, strong impartial investigative media, suppression of free speech and the right to protest.

Two sides squabble for power...

As though one side could compete fairly in this squabble when one side tore up the justice system, took over the government at gun point, impose draconian unquestionable 44, call up and detain oppositions for making comment that they don't like and re-write the highest law to prolong their rule.

[tukkytuktuk]

Black May! A prediction by the Pheu Thai party MP?

Seriously...

is it important who reminds the junta of the actions on the military during those days???

If it was Mark would you say the same thing? or do you reserve with the same condescending manner?

All concerned people should reminded Black May, and far more often than what they get now, I say well done to this bloke and challenge Mark to do the same followed by all MP's then all Thai's.....

Highly predictable response, not surprised, it suits your slant.

Here's a question for you:

What evidence is there that the current government is violent / violence with death? Please respond with a focused answer not a diversion?

No violence as of yet, but plenty of intimidation. Article 44, the new, travel insurance palatable version of military law, does give gold like powers to the junta. A three finger salute is illegal in Thailand. There is a threat of violence. What are you trying to say ? The junta in non-violent, so they are okay by you ?

Intimidation is part and parcel of politics here.

The Shins used their rent-a-mob hired thugs with seemingly connivance from the police whilst their opponents have the military on-side.

Under the last government, excrement was thrown, coffins with people's photos were burned outside their houses, grenades were lobbed, shots fired - at those the government didn't like, protesters murdered, innocents also murdered, at least one opponent was murdered in strange circumstances with a government minister solving the crime before the body was found and any real investigation took place, and someone's mum's house was machine gunned because she dared to blow a whistle at the ex-wife of the big boss man. Not forgetting the use of the defamation and cyber crime laws.

Now we have "attitude adjustment", the usual selective law enforcement that always happens, and the continued use of the defamation and cyber crime laws.

This happens when two or more groups squabble for power and the spoils whilst there is no robust justice system, strong impartial investigative media, suppression of free speech and the right to protest.

Two sides squabble for power...

As though one side could compete fairly in this squabble when one side tore up the justice system, took over the government at gun point, impose draconian unquestionable 44, call up and detain oppositions for making comment that they don't like and re-write the highest law to prolong their rule.

And why do "they" need to prolong their rule? No need to answer that. "That" is against the law. Law's that forbids freedom of speech and gives power to those who use it to suppress opposition. Tensions grow, why? because its hot? No, because the day draws nearer.

[Baerboxer]

Black May! A prediction by the Pheu Thai party MP?

Seriously...

is it important who reminds the junta of the actions on the military during those days???

If it was Mark would you say the same thing? or do you reserve with the same condescending manner?

All concerned people should reminded Black May, and far more often than what they get now, I say well done to this bloke and challenge Mark to do the same followed by all MP's then all Thai's.....

Highly predictable response, not surprised, it suits your slant.

Here's a question for you:

What evidence is there that the current government is violent / violence with death? Please respond with a focused answer not a diversion?

No violence as of yet, but plenty of intimidation. Article 44, the new, travel insurance palatable version of military law, does give gold like powers to the junta. A three finger salute is illegal in Thailand. There is a threat of violence. What are you trying to say ? The junta in non-violent, so they are okay by you ?

Intimidation is part and parcel of politics here.

The Shins used their rent-a-mob hired thugs with seemingly connivance from the police whilst their opponents have the military on-side.

Under the last government, excrement was thrown, coffins with people's photos were burned outside their houses, grenades were lobbed, shots fired - at those the government didn't like, protesters murdered, innocents also murdered, at least one opponent was murdered in strange circumstances with a government minister solving the crime before the body was found and any real investigation took place, and someone's mum's house was machine gunned because she dared to blow a whistle at the ex-wife of the big boss man. Not forgetting the use of the defamation and cyber crime laws.

Now we have "attitude adjustment", the usual selective law enforcement that always happens, and the continued use of the defamation and cyber crime laws.

This happens when two or more groups squabble for power and the spoils whilst there is no robust justice system, strong impartial investigative media, suppression of free speech and the right to protest.

Two sides squabble for power...

As though one side could compete fairly in this squabble when one side tore up the justice system, took over the government at gun point, impose draconian unquestionable 44, call up and detain oppositions for making comment that they don't like and re-write the highest law to prolong their rule.

So Eric - you consider intimidating the judiciary, throwing grenades and bombs, machining gunning elderly parent's houses, murdering those that oppose you or the occasional innocent by-stander to be competing fairly.

Understand now why you are such a Shin apologist.

[chainarong]

Its a good job no one in Authority reads comments on here about the Government......or do they ?

quite a few posters could do with attitude adjustment,and what exactly does that entail?

regards Worgeordie

The only difference worgeordie is that most us are from free democratic countries where , within reason, we can say what we like , and vote for whom we like , if the Junta had any goolies it would do the same , the only way it can control is by fear, they know at least 50% hate them being there , maybe black May is on., all I know I am due for an attitude adjustment, it's all in the timing............................

Edited March 27, 2016 by chainarong

[Eric Loh]

Black May! A prediction by the Pheu Thai party MP?

Seriously...
is it important who reminds the junta of the actions on the military during those days???
If it was Mark would you say the same thing? or do you reserve with the same condescending manner?
All concerned people should reminded Black May, and far more often than what they get now, I say well done to this bloke and challenge Mark to do the same followed by all MP's then all Thai's.....

Highly predictable response, not surprised, it suits your slant.

Here's a question for you:

What evidence is there that the current government is violent / violence with death? Please respond with a focused answer not a diversion?

No violence as of yet, but plenty of intimidation. Article 44, the new, travel insurance palatable version of military law, does give gold like powers to the junta. A three finger salute is illegal in Thailand. There is a threat of violence. What are you trying to say ? The junta in non-violent, so they are okay by you ?

Intimidation is part and parcel of politics here.

The Shins used their rent-a-mob hired thugs with seemingly connivance from the police whilst their opponents have the military on-side.

Under the last government, excrement was thrown, coffins with people's photos were burned outside their houses, grenades were lobbed, shots fired - at those the government didn't like, protesters murdered, innocents also murdered, at least one opponent was murdered in strange circumstances with a government minister solving the crime before the body was found and any real investigation took place, and someone's mum's house was machine gunned because she dared to blow a whistle at the ex-wife of the big boss man. Not forgetting the use of the defamation and cyber crime laws.

Now we have "attitude adjustment", the usual selective law enforcement that always happens, and the continued use of the defamation and cyber crime laws.

This happens when two or more groups squabble for power and the spoils whilst there is no robust justice system, strong impartial investigative media, suppression of free speech and the right to protest.

Two sides squabble for power...

As though one side could compete fairly in this squabble when one side tore up the justice system, took over the government at gun point, impose draconian unquestionable 44, call up and detain oppositions for making comment that they don't like and re-write the highest law to prolong their rule.

So Eric - you consider intimidating the judiciary, throwing grenades and bombs, machining gunning elderly parent's houses, murdering those that oppose you or the occasional innocent by-stander to be competing fairly.

Understand now why you are such a Shin apologist.

All those you mentioned will be charged and face the justice system and sure the courts will give them a "fair " conviction. What about the other side facing justice for 2010 deaths and what about those who gave authorization to use live rounds. It's about fair justice not your usual but but....Shin.

[djjamie]

This guy needed an attitude adjustment well before the Junta came to power. He tried to pass an amnesty bill that violated the previous constitution (which was accepted by the majority) and now he is offering veiled threats of violence if all the people don't accept this draft constitution.

Some didn't even accept the previous constitution that was voted in by the majority because it did not suit their agenda offering weak yet wonderfully imaginative excuses for how the result was rigged.

And if the majority accept this latest constitution I am sure Worachai will be out denouncing it and finding lots of wonderful ways to disrespect this majority as well.

Veiled threats though? No surprises from this man.

[JAG]

Black May! A prediction by the Pheu Thai party MP?

Well here's the irony.

- This government is nothing whatever like the suchinda / sunthorn / narong thug government who had no qualms to shoot and kill several hundred innocent and unarmed civilians and then dispose of their bodies never to be seen again. There is no comparison at all, none. Worachai is just clutching at straws to create division / diversion.

- Worachai's (google for his past history, especially his involvement in trying to get an amnesty for the red leader abroad) paymaster accepted a license (the only license issued at the time - a monopoly) for a national telecoms operation from the main man, the ultimate nasty - sunthorn. Further irony, it was national policy at that time that all telecoms operations had to be run by the state. Did the paymaster say 'hey just a moment, this is illegal' or did he run all the way to the bank with massive money, gained through an illegally gained illegal monopoly and massive overcharging?

Nothing like?

Suchinda was a leader of the National Peace Keeping Council (NPKC), which conducted a coup d'etat that ousted the elected government of Prime Minister Chatichai Choonhavan on 23 February 1991.

Prayuth is the leader of National Council for Peace and Order and conducted a coup against the elected Government in 2014

Suchinda was CIC of the Royal Thai Army

Prayuth was CIC of the Royal Thai Army

Suchinda banned political assembly of more than 10 people

Prayuth banned (selectively) political assembly of more than 5 people

Suchinda promulgated a new constitution

Prayuth tore up the constitution and promulgated a new one

Suchinda's constitution allowed for a non- elected prime Minister (himself)

Prayuths constitution allows for a non-elected prime minister (who might that be?)

Suchinda banned radio stations from playing recordings by several popular singers who had voiced their support for the demonstrations.

Prayuth bans public dissent and has shut down community radio stations

The only thing that hasn't happened - yet - is the civil unrest that followed which is exactly the point Worachai is making...........If it came to that do you really want to put money on Prayuth's army being any less brutal than Suchinda's army?

Spot on - but with reference to your last point:

The young conscripts who make up the bulk of the manpower of Prayuths army (a good name for it as it doesn't seem to exist to defend or serve the country) are better informed and better educated (relatively) than those who made up Suchindas army. They have been exposed to uncontrolled information and unregulated communication ,the dreaded social media - and yes it is dreaded by some! I doubt that they will be as easy to lead into action against their own people as were Suchindas. I suspect that may keep certain people awake at nights, and that may explain their bad temper!

Of course there are still those reliable elements, those recruited from the "right areas" and from among the" right people", who played a prominent part in the 2010 shootings, but I doubt that there are enough of them for action on a nationwide scale.

We shall see, as someone form just north of here once said, "we live in interesting times".

Edited March 27, 2016 by JAG

[The Deerhunter]

Black May! A prediction by the Pheu Thai party MP?

Seriously...

is it important who reminds the junta of the actions on the military during those days???

If it was Mark would you say the same thing? or do you reserve with the same condescending manner?

All concerned people should reminded Black May, and far more often than what they get now, I say well done to this bloke and challenge Mark to do the same followed by all MP's then all Thai's.....

Highly predictable response, not surprised, it suits your slant.

Here's a question for you:

What evidence is there that the current government is violent / violence with death? Please respond with a focused answer not a diversion?

"What evidence is there that the current government is violent / violence with death?"

Evidence? To obtain evidence one would have to conduct an independent investigation of the junta's actions, and that's not going to happen.

But what we do know is that an alarming number of "suspects" have died in prison, people who could potentially have seriously embarrassed the junta.

Strange, right?

You may be correct but outright rabid Thaksin supporters are even rarer on TVF lately. Still a few "pretty in pink" members but most of the TVF raving reds we all knew and loved-to-hate seem to have vanished. Is there a secret enclave of attitude-adjusted Farangs out there somewhere?

[The Deerhunter]

Black May! A prediction by the Pheu Thai party MP?

Well here's the irony.

- This government is nothing whatever like the suchinda / sunthorn / narong thug government who had no qualms to shoot and kill several hundred innocent and unarmed civilians and then dispose of their bodies never to be seen again. There is no comparison at all, none. Worachai is just clutching at straws to create division / diversion.

- Worachai's (google for his past history, especially his involvement in trying to get an amnesty for the red leader abroad) paymaster accepted a license (the only license issued at the time - a monopoly) for a national telecoms operation from the main man, the ultimate nasty - sunthorn. Further irony, it was national policy at that time that all telecoms operations had to be run by the state. Did the paymaster say 'hey just a moment, this is illegal' or did he run all the way to the bank with massive money, gained through an illegally gained illegal monopoly and massive overcharging?

Nothing like?

Suchinda was a leader of the National Peace Keeping Council (NPKC), which conducted a coup d'etat that ousted the elected government of Prime Minister Chatichai Choonhavan on 23 February 1991.

Prayuth is the leader of National Council for Peace and Order and conducted a coup against the elected Government in 2014

Suchinda was CIC of the Royal Thai Army

Prayuth was CIC of the Royal Thai Army

Suchinda banned political assembly of more than 10 people

Prayuth banned (selectively) political assembly of more than 5 people

Suchinda promulgated a new constitution

Prayuth tore up the constitution and promulgated a new one

Suchinda's constitution allowed for a non- elected prime Minister (himself)

Prayuths constitution allows for a non-elected prime minister (who might that be?)

Suchinda banned radio stations from playing recordings by several popular singers who had voiced their support for the demonstrations.

Prayuth bans public dissent and has shut down community radio stations

The only thing that hasn't happened - yet - is the civil unrest that followed which is exactly the point Worachai is making...........If it came to that do you really want to put money on Prayuth's army being any less brutal than Suchinda's army?

This government is preparing for any civil unrest by purchasing tanks and training an elite group of soldiers to deal with urban terrorism, the training includes the use of live ammunition.

So they are in fact ready to use force if/when the s*** hits the fan. But next time there will be nobody to stop them.

Wow! An army that trains in using live ammunition. Gee, no-one else ever does that!!!!

There are some genuine concerns for Thailand at the moment but hopefully we are still a long way from repeating 1992.

Speaking of implied or threatened violence, no-one in the government has yet asked for one million people to bring 1 litre of gas help to burn Bangkok to the ground, unlike two or more others who are still at liberty and should not be.

This fear of violence or threats of violence is not all one sided but started well north of Bangkok and well more than 22 months ago and is part of the reason we are where we are right now.

Edited March 27, 2016 by The Deerhunter

[kimamey]

Black May! A prediction by the Pheu Thai party MP?

There's tens of thousands of loyal red shirts still around in BKK alone.....anything could happen at anytime.

Ask thai people how they call the Royal thai army ..

" Tengmo " , watermelon !

Why ?

Because it's red inside even it's green outside .

I seem to remember a couple of years ago it was claimed there couldn't be a coup for that very reason. Who knows what will happen? The PM's plans may all work out OK although I'm not that hopeful.

[aussieinthailand]

Black May! A prediction by the Pheu Thai party MP?

Seriously...

is it important who reminds the junta of the actions on the military during those days???

If it was Mark would you say the same thing? or do you reserve with the same condescending manner?

All concerned people should reminded Black May, and far more often than what they get now, I say well done to this bloke and challenge Mark to do the same followed by all MP's then all Thai's.....

Highly predictable response, not surprised, it suits your slant.

Here's a question for you:

What evidence is there that the current government is violent / violence with death? Please respond with a focused answer not a diversion?

Hmmmm I'm sorry mate, but forgive me for thinking staging a coup is kind'a violent, No matter how you wrap it up,

a coup is the forced taking of a country at the barrel of a gun plain and simple lil fella.

And currently they are forcing their will on the country with threats of imprisonment for what? CRITISIZING THEM!!!!!

Ya remember cliking like is now a crime under the junta.

Yu'p reckon that could be seen as violent.

Now he seems to have a lt of trouble with the media huh, so he likes to tell them what they should and shouldn't wright.

And well popit, how you BFF's (the PM) comment, If I use my full powers I could have you taken out and shot...

Then there's the "attitude adjustments" that many could call abduction's and forced to sign guarantees of not upsetting uncle Too, Think maybe in some way they could be considered violent?

And lastly my post isn't a slant, it's just an opinion, just like you get to express your's, ok. cheers

[MZurf]

Black May! A prediction by the Pheu Thai party MP?

There's tens of thousands of loyal red shirts still around in BKK alone.....anything could happen at anytime.

Ask thai people how they call the Royal thai army ..

" Tengmo " , watermelon !

Why ?

Because it's red inside even it's green outside .

I seem to remember a couple of years ago it was claimed there couldn't be a coup for that very reason. Who knows what will happen? The PM's plans may all work out OK although I'm not that hopeful.

" The PM's plans may all work out OK although I'm not that hopeful."

The "PM's" plan is to implement a system whereby the old elite keep their place at the trough forever. With that in mind he's doing an admirable job.

[SOUTHERNSTAR]

Black May! A prediction by the Pheu Thai party MP?

Well here's the irony.

- This government is nothing whatever like the suchinda / sunthorn / narong thug government who had no qualms to shoot and kill several hundred innocent and unarmed civilians and then dispose of their bodies never to be seen again. There is no comparison at all, none. Worachai is just clutching at straws to create division / diversion.

- Worachai's (google for his past history, especially his involvement in trying to get an amnesty for the red leader abroad) paymaster accepted a license (the only license issued at the time - a monopoly) for a national telecoms operation from the main man, the ultimate nasty - sunthorn. Further irony, it was national policy at that time that all telecoms operations had to be run by the state. Did the paymaster say 'hey just a moment, this is illegal' or did he run all the way to the bank with massive money, gained through an illegally gained illegal monopoly and massive overcharging?

Please read what he said (if you can read Thai to see what he said). He warned the junta not to go the same route as in 1992, (violent route). He was pleading for a democratic and inclusive solution to the mess the coup has put this country in. If you think he was clutching at straws with the majority of Thai's behind him what are your general clutching at (with less than 10% backing)?

[dageurreotype]

Black May! A prediction by the Pheu Thai party MP?

Seriously...

is it important who reminds the junta of the actions on the military during those days???

If it was Mark would you say the same thing? or do you reserve with the same condescending manner?

All concerned people should reminded Black May, and far more often than what they get now, I say well done to this bloke and challenge Mark to do the same followed by all MP's then all Thai's.....

Highly predictable response, not surprised, it suits your slant.

Here's a question for you:

What evidence is there that the current government is violent / violence with death? Please respond with a focused answer not a diversion?

I would turn your question around.Over time undemocratic and military governments have learnt that the kind of repressive violence you refer to is ineffective and counterproductive.Even military coups are now known to be problematic and only resorted to when other means of stifling democracy have been less than efficacious, notably directed judicial intervention.Hence the current efforts to rig the future constitution so that parliamentary democracy will be crippled.Thus the answer to your question is that the vested interests who hate democracy and despise their fellow Thais have learned that there are better ways to impose their will than unthinking violence.If pushed into a corner however, eg an unexpected large scale protest, there's no certainty whether their brutal instincts could be kept under control.

Agreed. And it's not a matter of 'if' but 'when'? Just how long do they think the Thai people will just keep quiet? 5 years? 10? 20? This isn't the same as 1992 and we now have the internet and Thailand has no oil to propagandize for. In fact, this country's only worth is as a very small buffer, among many others, against the Chinese. So don't expect any help to try to prop up an illegal regime in a certain other country's 'interests'.

[Eric Loh]

This guy needed an attitude adjustment well before the Junta came to power. He tried to pass an amnesty bill that violated the previous constitution (which was accepted by the majority) and now he is offering veiled threats of violence if all the people don't accept this draft constitution.

Some didn't even accept the previous constitution that was voted in by the majority because it did not suit their agenda offering weak yet wonderfully imaginative excuses for how the result was rigged.

And if the majority accept this latest constitution I am sure Worachai will be out denouncing it and finding lots of wonderful ways to disrespect this majority as well.

Veiled threats though? No surprises from this man.

Which section in the 2007 constitution is amnesty a subject. Nothing illegal about Parliment proposing a bill which still has to be passed by the upper house and probably examined by the constitution court due to the nature of the bill.

The 2007 charter was not a majority,just passing the 50% with much intimidation and laws making criticism a criminal act and heavy propaganda. It's Sunday and a slow day but no reason to falsify truth.

[djjamie]

This guy needed an attitude adjustment well before the Junta came to power. He tried to pass an amnesty bill that violated the previous constitution (which was accepted by the majority) and now he is offering veiled threats of violence if all the people don't accept this draft constitution.

Some didn't even accept the previous constitution that was voted in by the majority because it did not suit their agenda offering weak yet wonderfully imaginative excuses for how the result was rigged.

And if the majority accept this latest constitution I am sure Worachai will be out denouncing it and finding lots of wonderful ways to disrespect this majority as well.

Veiled threats though? No surprises from this man.

Which section in the 2007 constitution is amnesty a subject. Nothing illegal about Parliment proposing a bill which still has to be passed by the upper house and probably examined by the constitution court due to the nature of the bill.

The 2007 charter was not a majority,just passing the 50% with much intimidation and laws making criticism a criminal act and heavy propaganda. It's Sunday and a slow day but no reason to falsify truth.

Proposing a bill to allow amnesty for the PM's accused mass murderer, convicted criminal brother sways on the side of going against the constitution.

As for the 2007 charter.... 75% of the people in the North and the North East and in fact most PTP strong holds voted against the referendum. They were not forced to vote for it through intimidation. They gave a reverberating NO to the referendum and what allowed it to pass was the reverberating YES in the central and Southern provinces.

In fact if you look at the Yes and No vote map for the referendum it is eerily a reverse map of the 2011 election results. So the 2011 election voting was respected because it suited the PTP agenda, but the referendum voting was not respected because it did not suit the agenda.

The referendum voters knew or should have known that they would have lived under military rule if they voted NO and they voted NO anyway. But this result was not respect respected as your narrative dictates.

It is a slow Sunday. Have a great day however and take care.

Edited March 27, 2016 by djjamie

[Brer Fox]

Don't make too much of a joke about it. Maybe under the junta the day is not that far off when contributors to this forum will be summonsed (knock on the door) for "attitude adjustment".

[Wilsonandson]

Don't make too much of a joke about it. Maybe under the junta the day is not that far off when contributors to this forum will be summonsed (knock on the door) for "attitude adjustment".

Time to find out what all the fuss is about and start reading this:-

[55Jay]

Don't make too much of a joke about it. Maybe under the junta the day is not that far off when contributors to this forum will be summonsed (knock on the door) for "attitude adjustment".

I doubt they will knock.

[geriatrickid]

Black May! A prediction by the Pheu Thai party MP?

Seriously...

is it important who reminds the junta of the actions on the military during those days???

If it was Mark would you say the same thing? or do you reserve with the same condescending manner?

All concerned people should reminded Black May, and far more often than what they get now, I say well done to this bloke and challenge Mark to do the same followed by all MP's then all Thai's.....

Highly predictable response, not surprised, it suits your slant.

Here's a question for you:

What evidence is there that the current government is violent / violence with death? Please respond with a focused answer not a diversion?

Please direct your comments to the people who claimed beatings and other forms of intimidation. There are apparently a great many who were all told to obey or else. My understanding is that it is impossible for third parties to thoroughly investigate these claims as Thailand will not allow their entry.

[webfact]

Pheu Thai demands immediate release of Worachai Hema



BANGKOK: -- The Pheu Thai party has demanded the immediate release of its former MP Worachai Hema from military custody claiming that his detention is a violation of human rights principle.

In a statement issued today (Sunday), the party said that Mr Worachai was escorted from his house in Samut Prakan on Saturday morning by a military unit led by Colonel Arthit Deeprasert, a staff officer of the 2nd artillery regiment, and taken to an undisclosed destination for “attitude adjustment”.

The arbitrary detention of Mr Worachai is illegal and amounts to gross violation of human rights, said the party.

The party claimed that it had followed up Mr Worachai’s public comments and felt that there were honest expression of views and were not intended to provoke public dissent.

The party also defended Mr Worachai’s comment calling for Prime Minister Prayut Chan-ocha to “show his responsibility” if the charter draft fails to go through the referendum as normal under democratic system.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/content/157011


-- Thai PBS 2016-03-28

[scorecard]

Pheu Thai demands immediate release of Worachai Hema

BANGKOK: -- The Pheu Thai party has demanded the immediate release of its former MP Worachai Hema from military custody claiming that his detention is a violation of human rights principle.

In a statement issued today (Sunday), the party said that Mr Worachai was escorted from his house in Samut Prakan on Saturday morning by a military unit led by Colonel Arthit Deeprasert, a staff officer of the 2nd artillery regiment, and taken to an undisclosed destination for “attitude adjustment”.

The arbitrary detention of Mr Worachai is illegal and amounts to gross violation of human rights, said the party.

The party claimed that it had followed up Mr Worachai’s public comments and felt that there were honest expression of views and were not intended to provoke public dissent.

The party also defended Mr Worachai’s comment calling for Prime Minister Prayut Chan-ocha to “show his responsibility” if the charter draft fails to go through the referendum as normal under democratic system.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/content/157011

-- Thai PBS 2016-03-28

"The party claimed that it had followed up Mr Worachai’s public comments and felt that there were honest expression of views and were not intended to provoke public dissent."

Yeah. Where's chalerm.

[Srikcir]

arbitrary detention of Mr Worachai is illegal and amounts to gross violation of human rights

Arbitrary detention is legal.

Such detention is allowed under Section 44 of the recently endorsed Interim Constitution (formerly known as the Interim or Provisional Charter). No doubt a previous junta-appointed Constitutional Court will support such detention as being constitutional.

As to the question of human rights, Worachai did not violate the military soldiers' human rights.