Prayut: Read Chinese governance book because it suits Thailand

[MZurf]

One has to wonder what goes on inside the mind of Prayuth. If he sees Communism as the best model of governance to aspire to then the people of Thailand are in for bad times. Perhaps he envies the degree and sophistication of Chinese corruption. Or maybe it's the rigid censorship that exists in China today. Regardless, Thailand is definitely going to digress and be left further behind in terms of development and individual freedom. Thaksin sold out his leadership to greed and corruption, but this guy is selling out the entire nation to the Chinese!

Seems a darned sight better than a nation allowing and enabling big' pharma, 'big' food and GMO seed/insecticide companies to poison and kill 100's of thousands of it's own people a year.

America is not democratic at all and corruption is rife thanks to corporations high-jacking and sabotaging the food and medical health systems for greed and power!!

In what way is that better??

[geriatrickid]

Oh my. A commie in our midst.

It's going to be something special when people like Dr. Weng Tochirakan become the saviors of the nation. No one will consider it now, but just wait and see.

TVFers who know the history of Thailand will know that this brilliant graduate of the finest university in Thailand, Mahidol, who once served as physician to the Thailand communist opposition forces, was also one of Thaksin's harshest critics. He joined with PAD to oust the former PM. However, as a moral conservative and pro-democracy activist he split with PAD as it advocated the undermining of the democratic process. He went on to join up with the UDD and obtain a mandate to serve as an MP. Although ethnically Chinese, I don't think he has quite forgotten how China betrayed him during the Vietnam-China conflict.

Mark my words. Dr. Weng will be a key player in the resistance movement. He detests Thaksin with a passion, and loathes the suspension of democratic rights.He is one of the few people in Thailand who has he ability to make a difference.

[ratcatcher]

Government Constitutional monarchy undermilitary junta • Monarch Bhumibol Adulyadej • Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha

Thailand

Government

Socialist one-party state^[4] • President Xi Jinping^[d]

China. (copied from Wiki)

Discussion of how Thailand can adopt a government like China invites moderator intervention.

[geriatrickid]

One has to wonder what goes on inside the mind of Prayuth. If he sees Communism as the best model of governance to aspire to then the people of Thailand are in for bad times. Perhaps he envies the degree and sophistication of Chinese corruption. Or maybe it's the rigid censorship that exists in China today. Regardless, Thailand is definitely going to digress and be left further behind in terms of development and individual freedom. Thaksin sold out his leadership to greed and corruption, but this guy is selling out the entire nation to the Chinese!

Seems a darned sight better than a nation allowing and enabling big' pharma, 'big' food and GMO seed/insecticide companies to poison and kill 100's of thousands of it's own people a year.

America is not democratic at all and corruption is rife thanks to corporations high-jacking and sabotaging the food and medical health systems for greed and power!!

Thanks for sharing your manifestation of delusional paranoia. Wouldn't your views be put to better use if you shared them on the Trailer Parks Where Aliens Have Performed Anal Probes Web Board? It's really, really important you stop these illuminati people before they let loose those secret aliens they have been hiding in Area 52. Unfortunately, I don't think the TVFers would provide the support and respect that your prophetic views offer.

[lucky11]

One has to wonder what goes on inside the mind of Prayuth. If he sees Communism as the best model of governance to aspire to then the people of Thailand are in for bad times. Perhaps he envies the degree and sophistication of Chinese corruption. Or maybe it's the rigid censorship that exists in China today. Regardless, Thailand is definitely going to digress and be left further behind in terms of development and individual freedom. Thaksin sold out his leadership to greed and corruption, but this guy is selling out the entire nation to the Chinese!

Seems a darned sight better than a nation allowing and enabling big' pharma, 'big' food and GMO seed/insecticide companies to poison and kill 100's of thousands of it's own people a year.

America is not democratic at all and corruption is rife thanks to corporations high-jacking and sabotaging the food and medical health systems for greed and power!!

In what way is that better??

Encouraging people to read a book v killing 100,000s of your own citizens a year and you ask me "in what way is that better"?

I'm gobsmacked!!

[casualbiker]

According to foreignpolicy.com, "the book is a mix of stilted Communist Party argot, pleasant-sounding generalizations, and “Father Knows Best”-style advice to the world; and authenticity isn’t its strength. Under Xi’s leadership, China has witnessed sweeping crackdowns on dissent and the steady erosion of press freedom – yet The Governance of China casts him as a wise and innovative reformer."

Sounds right up the general's alley!

according to a Western professor: Professor Andrew Wheatcroft, a visiting professor to City University of London, historian, and former director for Stirling Centre for International Publishing Scotland -- has praised the book "Xi Jinping: The Governance of China" for the message it presents to the world, and predicts the book will be read on university courses and in senior schools everywhere, "because China's development now affects every nation."

[casualbiker]

Information about the book here : http://www.china.org.cn/china/node_7214559.htm

[lucky11]

One has to wonder what goes on inside the mind of Prayuth. If he sees Communism as the best model of governance to aspire to then the people of Thailand are in for bad times. Perhaps he envies the degree and sophistication of Chinese corruption. Or maybe it's the rigid censorship that exists in China today. Regardless, Thailand is definitely going to digress and be left further behind in terms of development and individual freedom. Thaksin sold out his leadership to greed and corruption, but this guy is selling out the entire nation to the Chinese!

Seems a darned sight better than a nation allowing and enabling big' pharma, 'big' food and GMO seed/insecticide companies to poison and kill 100's of thousands of it's own people a year.

America is not democratic at all and corruption is rife thanks to corporations high-jacking and sabotaging the food and medical health systems for greed and power!!

Thanks for sharing your manifestation of delusional paranoia. Wouldn't your views be put to better use if you shared them on the Trailer Parks Where Aliens Have Performed Anal Probes Web Board? It's really, really important you stop these illuminati people before they let loose those secret aliens they have been hiding in Area 52. Unfortunately, I don't think the TVFers would provide the support and respect that your prophetic views offer.

In what way is my post delusional? I have only included the deaths as a consequence of prescription drugs BTW, factor in your obesity/diabetes epidemic and it rises to 'killing' millions a year!!

[Fookhaht]

Well, being a democratic socialist (Go Sanders!) not so happy with the book. What does surprise me, or perhaps not, is the change of tone concerning the illustrious PM. Not so long ago he was being lauded to the skies by people here. Perhaps things are not turning out so well?

I, like many others, was relieved when the farce that was the Yingluck "government" came to an end, and wildly optimistic in the very early days after Prayuth took over.

That optimism soon faded, along with Thailand's democracy, economy, freedoms, and international reputation.

Translation: "Oops. Please disregard my 2014 pro-coup posts."

And from here on many readers are thinking: "...and please ignore any future credibility in my politically-inclined jewels of wisdom on this forum."

Many TV-forum non-Pollyannas saw the writing on the wall from the first day the elected government was "invited" then imprisoned for the showdown.

Some folks have little regard for the clear and prolific lessons of history.

Edited April 14, 2016 by Fookhaht

[Rayk]

One thing i know is the Thai people will not under any circumstances allow themselves to be governed as the Chinese do.

[chainarong]

To answer this , would place me in the attitude adjustment class with Watana, Prayut the Thug comes to mind......................................... .

[Surasak]

C'mon Mr. P isn't it time you published all your own thoughts, aphorisms etc in a small book that everyone can carry around and may I suggest it be bound in a military green colour as the red thing's been done ?

I said small book and if the ' sense ' spoken by you is anything to go by it won't be very thick either.

The book may not be very thick but the contents could be interpreted as such.

[docshock13]

Given the current state of affairs in Thailand, I think gaining some insight from Lee Kwan Yew's experiences in helping to establish and govern Singapore might be more worthwhile.

P.S. my suggestion isn't a blanket statement condoning ALL of LKY's policies and governance styles. But I think there could be some lessons learned. I.e. what worked and what didn't. What may work for Thailand and what may not.

[The Deerhunter]

Amazing, simply amazing.

Each morning I wake up and I get to read what this pelican has come out with this time, and just for added entertainment I get to read what his ever dwindling supporters come up with in the attempt to justify this bloke they once hailed the hero and savior of Thailand...

Seems there are quite a few people have had a change of heart regarding o'l uncle Too, I wonder, do you guy's cringe each time this nutter opens his flapper?

Oii, Come out come out where ever you are,,, Awww please come out fella's and tell us how this little nugget of wisdom is good for the country and how you guy's were right and the rest of the planet had it so wrong....

Back to Thaksin? " Hero of the redshirts and champion of the poor people"? Is that the best option for Thailand then? Hardly!!!!! If the Thai people actually had a choice right now, I would say what a choice!! A third option, somewhat tolerant and caring but with an emphasis on honest standards and natural justice for the common people is urgently needed.

I have said it before. Will Thailand's Lee Kuan Yew please step forward? Very soon, please?

See post 42 above. He says it all. Perfectly!!

Edited April 14, 2016 by The Deerhunter

[HiSoLowSoNoSo]

Maybe time to change the name of the country back to Siam, Thailand (aka land of the free) will not work well with this gay at the helm.

bit homophobic?

Yes maybe, crossdresser is maybe a better description, he dresses often in womens clothes. My mother likes his silk outfits!

A commie Cross-dresser?

[Emster23]

A book of the wisdom of uncle P could be published on a matchbook. Easy to distribute too!

[HenryB]

One has to wonder what goes on inside the mind of Prayuth. If he sees Communism as the best model of governance to aspire to then the people of Thailand are in for bad times. Perhaps he envies the degree and sophistication of Chinese corruption. Or maybe it's the rigid censorship that exists in China today. Regardless, Thailand is definitely going to digress and be left further behind in terms of development and individual freedom. Thaksin sold out his leadership to greed and corruption, but this guy is selling out the entire nation to the Chinese!

I do not understand this when Bernie Sanders wants the same for America as China everyone thinks it is wonderful.

Thailand is going to be the same as America and China

Edited April 14, 2016 by HenryB

[phoenixdoglover]

If one reads “The Governance of China” you'll find it is NOT about the domestic governance of China but about China's foreign policy. The precepts to its foreign policy really don't vary much from other developed nations and has little uniqueness to its communist domestic governance. In fact fundametally most of China's current foreign policy goes back decades before the rise of the Xi regime. For example:

- “never seek hegemony or commit any act of expansion,” to never seek benefits at others’ expense, to “uphold the international trading system and participate in global economic governance,” and to pursue “mutually beneficial cooperation” and global stability"

- there must be "mutual benefit and deepened cooperation among nations over 'Cold War' era zero-sum thinking and various 'hegemonistic,' power-centered policies and behavior; a fundamentally defensive and nonthreatening military stance"

- there must be a “comprehensive, common, and cooperative security” architecture for Asia and the world"

What Xi and Prayut have in common is the contradiction between their stated policies and their actions. Because of the major contradictions in both foreign policies, they loose international creditability in their execution of foreign policy. The other common flaw in both nation's foreign policy is the concept that "what benefits the nation benefits all other nations." This concept disregards respect for competing national objectives.

As no man is an island. no nation is the hub of other nations.

Speaking of islands, one need only look to the South China Sea to highlight Chinese thought vs action.

I would be extremely hesitant to judge a Chinese leader in government or business by what they publish. This probably applies to many other Asian cultures as well.

[phoenixdoglover]

Given the current state of affairs in Thailand, I think gaining some insight from Lee Kwan Yew's experiences in helping to establish and govern Singapore might be more worthwhile.

P.S. my suggestion isn't a blanket statement condoning ALL of LKY's policies and governance styles. But I think there could be some lessons learned. I.e. what worked and what didn't. What may work for Thailand and what may not.

Lessons yes. But the parallels are limited given the differences.

[selftaopath]

Well, being a democratic socialist (Go Sanders!) not so happy with the book. What does surprise me, or perhaps not, is the change of tone concerning the illustrious PM. Not so long ago he was being lauded to the skies by people here. Perhaps things are not turning out so well?

I, like many others, was relieved when the farce that was the Yingluck "government" came to an end, and wildly optimistic in the very early days after Prayuth took over.

That optimism soon faded, along with Thailand's democracy, economy, freedoms, and international reputation.

Maybe he intends using the Myanmar model of restoring democracy?

[tonypace02]

Has Xi Jinping expressed any thoughts on the governance of a nation with a monarchy?

[Jai Dee]

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[Baerboxer]

so when is the 'little yellow book' going to be published to go along with the 'little yellow songs'?

Even more worrying is what the "cultural revolution" might look like.

[Baerboxer]

One has to wonder what goes on inside the mind of Prayuth. If he sees Communism as the best model of governance to aspire to then the people of Thailand are in for bad times. Perhaps he envies the degree and sophistication of Chinese corruption. Or maybe it's the rigid censorship that exists in China today. Regardless, Thailand is definitely going to digress and be left further behind in terms of development and individual freedom. Thaksin sold out his leadership to greed and corruption, but this guy is selling out the entire nation to the Chinese!

Seems a darned sight better than a nation allowing and enabling big' pharma, 'big' food and GMO seed/insecticide companies to poison and kill 100's of thousands of it's own people a year.

America is not democratic at all and corruption is rife thanks to corporations high-jacking and sabotaging the food and medical health systems for greed and power!!

In what way is that better??

Same same but different.

Both claim to represent the people, one claiming democracy, free speech and meaningful elections; the other claiming the communist doctrine works best which stifles free speech and has has rubber stamp elections.

In reality powerful families with wealth, the right connections and pedigrees control both systems. The pretense and act put on for the "people" is different but the end result the same.

[Bluespunk]

One has to wonder what goes on inside the mind of Prayuth. If he sees Communism as the best model of governance to aspire to then the people of Thailand are in for bad times. Perhaps he envies the degree and sophistication of Chinese corruption. Or maybe it's the rigid censorship that exists in China today. Regardless, Thailand is definitely going to digress and be left further behind in terms of development and individual freedom. Thaksin sold out his leadership to greed and corruption, but this guy is selling out the entire nation to the Chinese!

I do not understand this when Bernie Sanders wants the same for America as China everyone thinks it is wonderful.

Thailand is going to be the same as America and China

Bernie Sanders wants no such thing. Read what he says before posting such trite nonsense.

[Squeegee]

Restoring democracy... Chinese governance.

More proof of lies from the Peace & Order Trap.

[Nobb]

Chinese government book only suits Thailand if the people in Thailand agree. This PM made a deal with China on railways and other issues. The Thai people really do not care about a Chinese book especially because they do not like what you and your opinions. You sold your soul to the Chinese but the Thai people will never except this. You should have never taken over Thailand by military rule but maybe you already had a Chinese military rule in mind. The military should never rule the country only the people should. Where people have no right and no votes and if you do not agree you go straight to jail. People will probably have to die to prove you wrong.

[casualbiker]

How many people commenting on this thread have even read the book!

[Srikcir]

How many people commenting on this thread have even read the book!

I don't want too, because I have no interest in a Communist state..Never read Hitlers book because I have no interest in killing folk...Never read religious books because they are all the same...Written bye a bloke, an earth bound bloke...

If you had read the book you'd see that it is an amalgamation of Xi's 80 or so speeches that dwell on the principles of China's foreign policy, some crafted by Xi and most developed since the opening of China by President Nixon in the 1960's. Apart from development of Asian trade routes, the content is largely nationalistic in nature that might be reflected by any of the world's developed nations.

There is surprising little to no communism ideology expressed in the book. It dwells on foreign policy, albeit in a very idealistic way that casts China as a mature and pragmatic nation, and not on its domestic system of governance that is communism. If the book had been redacted to exclude chinese references one might think it was written by a Western nation.

Prayut could actually learn to conduct a better foreign policy from reading the book. But seeing he still hasn't read Meechai's draft constitution in full, I'd expect he'll look for Cliff's Notes.

[harada]

Yes, yes comrade Too we agree.