Ministry defends special recruitment of civilian

[smutcakes]

Would be interesting to see the statistics on how many of the higher echelons children draw black cards in the annual draft.

[Jonmarleesco]

I guess it shows how far behind western standards Thailand really is

A job like that should be advertised and open to any applicant that fills the criteria and the best candidate selected for the position after all applicants have gone through a fair and proven selection process

but TiT

The same is happening every day in Western countries, old school friends, network of people from same political parties, friends, family members are offered jobs even when an apparent transparent process is in place. It's just an illusion of this not happening in West.

This said, I am not in agreement with this way of doing things.

For me its not the act of it happening which is the issue, everyone knows it goes on everywhere in all countries. The fact that people are making a big deal out of it, is because this Govt came to power saying they would tackle nepotism etc. It was apparent from early on with the NCPO and its appointed bodies that this was not the case.

The fact that the previous PM was also kicked out for nepotism makes it all the more hypocritical. You can be sure the NACC or which agency will lack the urge they previously felt to investigate matters like this.

The concerning issue for me is that unless they are all marked secret, they must have delibrately known it was not a good move and still went ahead with it. Either they think they would not be found out, or more worryingly they have got to the stage where they dont care, and they will just ride these issues out.

It is going to be very difficult to turn around in the future and complain when other Governments do the same thing. They should be setting an example, and for the sake of 15K per month as well. You would of thought they would have just thought no not at the moment, but perhaps they are far detached from public sentiment.

Having said that i have no idea if the prevailing views on TVF are representative among the Thai population.

'... the previous PM was also kicked out for nepotism ...' Thaksin wasn't around to be kicked out; his sister was the nepotism. But I'm unaware of it resulting in her having been kicked out. That was down to PTP incompetence in the face of the opposition.

[JAG]

Would be interesting to see the statistics on how many of the higher echelons children draw black cards in the annual draft.

None I would imagine.

Certainly in my stepsons company ( he is currently doing his national service with an infantry battalion) they are all from small towns and villages in northern provinces. Many have M6 or Technical College diplomas. but" middle class kids" are conspicuous by their absence.

[tuanku]

said the recruitment followed official procedure and was based on the qualification of the field required.

Commendable honesty;

Official procedure is to give the best jobs to your family or failing that to the people in your class at Military College.

Qualification can be seen in the family name.

Mind you this is just another example of how badly they need people with skills in "mass communication".

Hopefully his skills will be up to scratch and we will see a lot less nonsense and garbage from the official mouthpieces whose current skills seem to be more in "mas ___ation" (i.e. they are a bunch of merchant bankers)

[tuanku]

I guess it shows how far behind western standards Thailand really is

A job like that should be advertised and open to any applicant that fills the criteria and the best candidate selected for the position after all applicants have gone through a fair and proven selection process

but TiT

The same is happening every day in Western countries, old school friends, network of people from same political parties, friends, family members are offered jobs even when an apparent transparent process is in place. It's just an illusion of this not happening in West.

This said, I am not in agreement with this way of doing things.

For me its not the act of it happening which is the issue, everyone knows it goes on everywhere in all countries. The fact that people are making a big deal out of it, is because this Govt came to power saying they would tackle nepotism etc. It was apparent from early on with the NCPO and its appointed bodies that this was not the case.

The fact that the previous PM was also kicked out for nepotism makes it all the more hypocritical. You can be sure the NACC or which agency will lack the urge they previously felt to investigate matters like this.

The concerning issue for me is that unless they are all marked secret, they must have delibrately known it was not a good move and still went ahead with it. Either they think they would not be found out, or more worryingly they have got to the stage where they dont care, and they will just ride these issues out.

It is going to be very difficult to turn around in the future and complain when other Governments do the same thing. They should be setting an example, and for the sake of 15K per month as well. You would of thought they would have just thought no not at the moment, but perhaps they are far detached from public sentiment.

Having said that i have no idea if the prevailing views on TVF are representative among the Thai population.

"and for the sake of 15K per month as well."

ahem.15,000 a month is the official salary - without "benefits", just look at the PMs official salary and net (declared) worth and go figure!

[tuanku]

Would be interesting to see the statistics on how many of the higher echelons children draw black cards in the annual draft.

None I would imagine.

Certainly in my stepsons company ( he is currently doing his national service with an infantry battalion) they are all from small towns and villages in northern provinces. Many have M6 or Technical College diplomas. but" middle class kids" are conspicuous by their absence.

If they are rich enough to go to private schools they do their military training in school - about 6 weekends - and thereby get off being eligible for 2 years of military service.

Its not as if Thailand needs a standing army this size for external threats. If the conscripts survive the training, which is not a given, the only action they are likely to see is against their own countrymen. Don't need much training to fire indiscriminately into a crowd of protesters or to get blown up by a roadside bomb in Yala.

[ddavidovsky]

When loyalty is more important than performance, it's quite possible he was the best qualified for the job.

[heybruce]

He has a degree in Mass Communication. In Thailand that is the degree students get if they don't want to study hard and they're not worried about work after university.

I'm 61 and never went to university so I don't really understand all this. Is Mass Communication to do with movement of mass, basically a truck driver. Or is it to do with Facebook and Twitter.

The only thing I know about the degree is that it involves class field trips to television studios to watch programs being made, and the only women (I've only know women who chose this major) who pursued it were women in pursuit of a MRS (Marry Rich Slob) degree.

Apparently in Thailand if your father is a general you have other options.

[heybruce]

I guess it shows how far behind western standards Thailand really is

A job like that should be advertised and open to any applicant that fills the criteria and the best candidate selected for the position after all applicants have gone through a fair and proven selection process

but TiT

The same is happening every day in Western countries, old school friends, network of people from same political parties, friends, family members are offered jobs even when an apparent transparent process is in place. It's just an illusion of this not happening in West.

This said, I am not in agreement with this way of doing things.

For me its not the act of it happening which is the issue, everyone knows it goes on everywhere in all countries. The fact that people are making a big deal out of it, is because this Govt came to power saying they would tackle nepotism etc. It was apparent from early on with the NCPO and its appointed bodies that this was not the case.

The fact that the previous PM was also kicked out for nepotism makes it all the more hypocritical. You can be sure the NACC or which agency will lack the urge they previously felt to investigate matters like this.

The concerning issue for me is that unless they are all marked secret, they must have delibrately known it was not a good move and still went ahead with it. Either they think they would not be found out, or more worryingly they have got to the stage where they dont care, and they will just ride these issues out.

It is going to be very difficult to turn around in the future and complain when other Governments do the same thing. They should be setting an example, and for the sake of 15K per month as well. You would of thought they would have just thought no not at the moment, but perhaps they are far detached from public sentiment.

Having said that i have no idea if the prevailing views on TVF are representative among the Thai population.

"For me its not the act of it happening which is the issue, everyone knows it goes on everywhere in all countries."

I have twenty years in the US military and I've never know anyone who took a short cut to a commission because of who their father was. I won't deny that it helps to know the right people no matter what the occupation, but real militaries have procedures and standards that that apply to everyone, regardless of family connections. Even Prince William and Prince Harry had to go through proper military training before becoming officers.

[Khon Kaen Dave]

This is getting more like a 'carry on' movie every day.

Infamy,infamy,they've all got it infamy.

[JAG]

Would be interesting to see the statistics on how many of the higher echelons children draw black cards in the annual draft.

None I would imagine.

Certainly in my stepsons company ( he is currently doing his national service with an infantry battalion) they are all from small towns and villages in northern provinces. Many have M6 or Technical College diplomas. but" middle class kids" are conspicuous by their absence.

If they are rich enough to go to private schools they do their military training in school - about 6 weekends - and thereby get off being eligible for 2 years of military service.

Its not as if Thailand needs a standing army this size for external threats. If the conscripts survive the training, which is not a given, the only action they are likely to see is against their own countrymen. Don't need much training to fire indiscriminately into a crowd of protesters or to get blown up by a roadside bomb in Yala.

" They don't need much training....to get blown up by a roadside bomb in Yala."

True,but with some training the leaders (Officers) could ensure that a lot less of their men are caught in the blast.

There is no secret to minimizing casualties and operating effectively in that sort of environment. A little bit of relevant study and training would do wonders. It is down to basic infantry skills, and hard work - neither seem to be practiced. That the Thai people have to send their sons to be led into that sort of danger by these beribboned buffoons is a scandal.

[jayboy]

But but these are the good guys, this cannot be true !

Maybe they indeed aren't any better than the bad guys...

You simply don't get it.The Junta's campaign against corruption does not apply to the good people.By definition the good people are incapable of corruption.The Junta's main concern here is to hunt down the person who leaked the information.

[sjaak327]

But but these are the good guys, this cannot be true !

Maybe they indeed aren't any better than the bad guys...

You simply don't get it.The Junta's campaign against corruption does not apply to the good people.By definition the good people are incapable of corruption.The Junta's main concern here is to hunt down the person who leaked the information.

I certainly do get it. The unsuccessful campaign against corruption was never targeted at their own corruption of course, and difficult questions are avoided using article 44, attitude adjustment sessions and other such tools.

[CantSpell]

He has a degree in Mass Communication. In Thailand that is the degree students get if they don't want to study hard and they're not worried about work after university.

I'm 61 and never went to university so I don't really understand all this. Is Mass Communication to do with movement of mass, basically a truck driver. Or is it to do with Facebook and Twitter.

The only thing I know about the degree is that it involves class field trips to television studios to watch programs being made, and the only women (I've only know women who chose this major) who pursued it were women in pursuit of a MRS (Marry Rich Slob) degree.

Apparently in Thailand if your father is a general you have other options.

Could be why he choose it

A rich slob right in the middle of women trying hard on MRS degree...

Priceless

[casindonet]

He has a degree in Mass Communication. In Thailand that is the degree students get if they don't want to study hard and they're not worried about work after university.

I'm 61 and never went to university so I don't really understand all this. Is Mass Communication to do with movement of mass, basically a truck driver. Or is it to do with Facebook and Twitter.

I think it means he is really good at Candy Crush

I've never played that but I'm sure there must be a lot of other potential candidates judging by how popular it is.

Is that what the police play in their tents rather than deal the carnage on the roads.

No....not candy crush. I'm sure they are playing clash of clans.

[jamesbrock]

Do you think this junta has secretly acquired 'Not The Nation'? I can no longer tell whether these types of news story are true or total batsh*t fantasy

Unfortunately its true and will get worst after the dear great leader appoints himself as PM (for life) and his buddies as senators.

Wait, he hasn't done that already??

[kimamey]

Would be interesting to see the statistics on how many of the higher echelons children draw black cards in the annual draft.

None I would imagine.

Certainly in my stepsons company ( he is currently doing his national service with an infantry battalion) they are all from small towns and villages in northern provinces. Many have M6 or Technical College diplomas. but" middle class kids" are conspicuous by their absence.

That would suggest that most of not all those in charge now won't know much about real military service either.

I remember when Abhisit had his military related problems it was said it was common for middle and higher families to avoid conscription for their sons. Strangely nobody else was investigated but it shows how normal this has always been.

[BSJ]

Bob's your uncle.

Wrong! Prayuth is his uncle!

[jerojero]

Degree in mass BS what it really means.