Building Iraq

[the gentleman]

Don't pay him no attn. GOAT, He just pissed off cause he posted a lot of shit that was moved or he was warned and sent out to play a couple of times,so now he thinks that he is a rest room monitor and can't get over it.

Some folks got the idea that they important enough to a forum that they should have unlimited privs. and always screaming and giving orders that no one listens to.

I have got a couple of long recesses myself,but they do have mods. here and they do a fair job,and they are running it and do well enough with out any advise from me. It is their forum,and if I don't like whats goin on then I can go somewhere else to play instead of showing my ass for all to see,maybe he needs to go back to kindergarten and start all over.

two septics in a forum who is a minority!

If I posted a Jewish thread or an American thread, you would be in uproar - you cant bait me Kevin

[Goat Roper]

Don't pay him no attn. GOAT, He just pissed off cause he posted a lot of shit that was moved or he was warned and sent out to play a couple of times,so now he thinks that he is a rest room monitor and can't get over it.

Some folks got the idea that they important enough to a forum that they should have unlimited privs. and always screaming and giving orders that no one listens to.

I have got a couple of long recesses myself,but they do have mods. here and they do a fair job,and they are running it and do well enough with out any advise from me. It is their forum,and if I don't like whats goin on then I can go somewhere else to play instead of showing my ass for all to see,maybe he needs to go back to kindergarten and start all over.

Thanks much Kevin for clearing up exactly what this A$$hole really is.

[valentinoxxx]

Ignore the scavenging maggots.

If you are a scavenging maggot, it follows that you will see the world from a scavenging maggot's perspective.

Only an immoral lowlife will choose to ignore that this was a blatantly illegal invasion and subsequent occupation.

Why was there so little infrastrusture? Ahh.... First there was the matter of the Iran/Iraq War from 1980 -88 and just three years later, repressive sanctions and and embargoes were slapped on Iraq for 12 years. Any hope of them being lifted was constantly vetoed by the USA, though the other main members of the Security Council favoured lifting the sanctions. During this last 12 years regular sorties were flown over Iraq hitting various targets.

So, now after 20 years of hardship, the USA declares war on Iraq and destroys even more of what was left of the infrastructure.

Even after the war was declared over(to bad the other side didn't have a choice in being attacked) thousands of Iraqis are still being murdered by the Americans.

Example; 4 mercenaries were attacked and killed in Fallujah by a mob. In revenge, the US sends the troops in and kills 700 and wounds countless others.

Liberators? Sick murderers? Shall we get onto the subject of the treatment of prisoners? what you have seen and heard on TV is only the tip of the iceberg.

You can dress up this illegal invasion and occupation as you doing the Iraqi people a favour, but many simply see through the charade.

Maybe you feel that you can get the American economy going again by grabbing all the contracts?

I see, you ensure that you destroy the infrastructure in Iraq and then you make them pay for you to rebuild it.

Then you pretend that they rule their own country.....

Despicable worms.

There.......you can't have it all your own way.

[Goat Roper]

Ignore the scavenging maggots.

If you are a scavenging maggot, it follows that you will see the world from a scavenging maggot's perspective.

Only an immoral lowlife will choose to ignore that this was a blatantly illegal invasion and subsequent occupation.

Why was there so little infrastrusture? Ahh.... First there was the matter of the Iran/Iraq War from 1980 -88 and just three years later, repressive sanctions and and embargoes were slapped on Iraq for 12 years. Any hope of them being lifted was constantly vetoed by the USA, though the other main members of the Security Council favoured lifting the sanctions. During this last 12 years regular sorties were flown over Iraq hitting various targets.

So, now after 20 years of hardship, the USA declares war on Iraq and destroys even more of what was left of the infrastructure.

Even after the war was declared over(to bad the other side didn't have a choice in being attacked) thousands of Iraqis are still being murdered by the Americans.

Example; 4 mercenaries were attacked and killed in Fallujah by a mob. In revenge, the US sends the troops in and kills 700 and wounds countless others.

Liberators? Sick murderers? Shall we get onto the subject of the treatment of prisoners? what you have seen and heard on TV is only the tip of the iceberg.

You can dress up this illegal invasion and occupation as you doing the Iraqi people a favour, but many simply see through the charade.

Maybe you feel that you can get the American economy going again by grabbing all the contracts?

I see, you ensure that you destroy the infrastructure in Iraq and then you make them pay for you to rebuild it.

Then you pretend that they rule their own country.....

Despicable worms.

There.......you can't have it all your own way.

Put you skirt down, we have seen all the ugly sh1t from you we want.

[the gentleman]

Bush ignores the horrors of his war !

Friday, April 30, 2004

Bush ignores the horrors of his war

By HUBERT G. LOCKE

SPECIAL TO THE POST-INTELLIGENCER

In the spiraling descent into ###### in Iraq over the past several weeks, one disgraceful fact has gone virtually unnoticed.

Hours after pictures of the ghastly scene showing the burned corpses of four American civilians had been telecast around the world, President Bush, according to The New York Times on April 2, "swept into a huge ballroom in one of Washington's most affluent neighborhoods" on yet another fund-raising venture for his re-election campaign.

The terrible moment in Iraq -- five American soldiers died the same day -- now appears to have been the beginning of a total unraveling of the Iraqi mess. Each day since has brought news of more American and Iraqi deaths, larger crowds of angry Iraqis in the streets and more cities whose control vacillates between coalition forces and the "insurgents." The prospects for turning the country back to its people by June 30, in spite of the United Nations' best efforts, seems increasingly like a pipe dream.

It is the mounting death toll, however, and the White House reaction to this grim reality that is a matter of mounting disgust.

One might have hoped that, at the least, Bush would have postponed his fund-raising for a later date. Even for this administration, it hardly seems too much to expect some recognition of the fact that pretending as though it is business as usual is a frightfully callous way to treat what has become an almost daily occasion for mourning.

There was a time in this nation when the deaths of soldiers in combat were an occasion for serious acknowledgment and somber reflection -- and our government led the nation in both expressions. It was so in World War II, the Korean conflict and the Vietnam War.

It did not help the administration of Lyndon Johnson for the public to see nightly newscasts of coffins bearing the bodies of U.S. servicemen killed in Vietnam arriving at Dover Air Force Base.

But the dead were greeted with a public, respectful protocol that enabled the nation to mourn the loss of its young, even as it protested the military venture in which they had perished.

The current administration, in its frantic effort to manage the public perception of Iraq -- both why we're there and our view of the "progress" that's ostensibly being made -- has gone to unseemly lengths to control what we see and hear about the war.

With hundreds of "embedded" journalists (a ludicrous choice of terms) whose personal safety in Iraq rests on their military escorts, it is highly doubtful that we'll ever have an accurate or trustworthy account of what is transpiring there.

The current furor over the publication of pictures of flag-draped coffins (and a salute to Seattle's other daily for first printing them) reflects both the public's desire that the Iraqi conflict be reported realistically and the administration's determination to put the best possible face on a growing tragedy. No one can take any comfort in seeing pictures of the dead being returned for burial. The only thing worse is pretending as if this grim scene is not occurring almost daily.

Combat casualties are realities that cannot be masked or managed. The Pentagon may try to ban photographs of their coffins being returned for burial but it cannot conceal their growing numbers.

The fact that the dead are returned silently and unheralded only adds to the enormity of their loss. They are being brought home in a manner that seems almost calculated to prevent giving too much attention to the horrid circumstances that obliged them to make the ultimate sacrifice.

Contrast this treatment of our American war dead with those of our coalition allies where, in Italy and Spain, for example, state funerals have been held for the military casualties of those nations.

Have we no way of making a collective, public expression of grief at the loss of some many young lives, and is this not a mournful task in which the nation ought to be led by those who purport to be our leaders?

A nation whose leaders behave as though war deaths are a political matter to be managed, media-wise, alongside other disquieting features of the Iraqi tragedy -- its huge number of Iraqi civilian deaths plus the question of why this administration launched it -- is one that both dishonors the dead and raises cynicism to an unprecedented height.

A nation that allows its leaders to get away with such unconscionable behavior is one that permits false appeals to patriotism and the support of our troops to blind it to one of the most fundamental of human instincts -- the need to grieve, especially when its young die so needlessly.

Hubert G. Locke, Seattle, is a retired professor and former dean of the Daniel J. Evans Graduate School of Public Affairs at the University of Washington.

[mbkudu]

These bassturds that think this war is great are nothing more than dog Sh*t on the bottom of my shoe! If it's such a just war, then why aren't all you a$$holes over there too?

[KevinN]

GENT, You can post anything you want here.

It is none of my business what anyone posts,Even an IDIOT like VALENTINOXXX or mbkudu can post his drivel. That doesn't mean I have anything to say about it,at least if your post is intelligent enough I can choose to reply. Or if it is just plain stupid like theirs then I can choose to ignore it,and next time I see their headers I can just skip on by.

Thats why they call it a FORUM.

[the gentleman]

GENT, You can post anything you want here.

apparantly now you can, you couldnt before - remember?

Now the child molester is gone, maybe the rules have changed!

[Goat Roper]

Bush ignores the horrors of his war !

Friday, April 30, 2004

Bush ignores the horrors of his war

By HUBERT G. LOCKE

SPECIAL TO THE POST-INTELLIGENCER

In the spiraling descent into ###### in Iraq over the past several weeks, one disgraceful fact has gone virtually unnoticed.

Hours after pictures of the ghastly scene showing the burned corpses of four American civilians had been telecast around the world, President Bush, according to The New York Times on April 2, "swept into a huge ballroom in one of Washington's most affluent neighborhoods" on yet another fund-raising venture for his re-election campaign.

The terrible moment in Iraq -- five American soldiers died the same day -- now appears to have been the beginning of a total unraveling of the Iraqi mess. Each day since has brought news of more American and Iraqi deaths, larger crowds of angry Iraqis in the streets and more cities whose control vacillates between coalition forces and the "insurgents." The prospects for turning the country back to its people by June 30, in spite of the United Nations' best efforts, seems increasingly like a pipe dream.

It is the mounting death toll, however, and the White House reaction to this grim reality that is a matter of mounting disgust.

One might have hoped that, at the least, Bush would have postponed his fund-raising for a later date. Even for this administration, it hardly seems too much to expect some recognition of the fact that pretending as though it is business as usual is a frightfully callous way to treat what has become an almost daily occasion for mourning.

There was a time in this nation when the deaths of soldiers in combat were an occasion for serious acknowledgment and somber reflection -- and our government led the nation in both expressions. It was so in World War II, the Korean conflict and the Vietnam War.

It did not help the administration of Lyndon Johnson for the public to see nightly newscasts of coffins bearing the bodies of U.S. servicemen killed in Vietnam arriving at Dover Air Force Base.

But the dead were greeted with a public, respectful protocol that enabled the nation to mourn the loss of its young, even as it protested the military venture in which they had perished.

The current administration, in its frantic effort to manage the public perception of Iraq -- both why we're there and our view of the "progress" that's ostensibly being made -- has gone to unseemly lengths to control what we see and hear about the war.

With hundreds of "embedded" journalists (a ludicrous choice of terms) whose personal safety in Iraq rests on their military escorts, it is highly doubtful that we'll ever have an accurate or trustworthy account of what is transpiring there.

The current furor over the publication of pictures of flag-draped coffins (and a salute to Seattle's other daily for first printing them) reflects both the public's desire that the Iraqi conflict be reported realistically and the administration's determination to put the best possible face on a growing tragedy. No one can take any comfort in seeing pictures of the dead being returned for burial. The only thing worse is pretending as if this grim scene is not occurring almost daily.

Combat casualties are realities that cannot be masked or managed. The Pentagon may try to ban photographs of their coffins being returned for burial but it cannot conceal their growing numbers.

The fact that the dead are returned silently and unheralded only adds to the enormity of their loss. They are being brought home in a manner that seems almost calculated to prevent giving too much attention to the horrid circumstances that obliged them to make the ultimate sacrifice.

Contrast this treatment of our American war dead with those of our coalition allies where, in Italy and Spain, for example, state funerals have been held for the military casualties of those nations.

Have we no way of making a collective, public expression of grief at the loss of some many young lives, and is this not a mournful task in which the nation ought to be led by those who purport to be our leaders?

A nation whose leaders behave as though war deaths are a political matter to be managed, media-wise, alongside other disquieting features of the Iraqi tragedy -- its huge number of Iraqi civilian deaths plus the question of why this administration launched it -- is one that both dishonors the dead and raises cynicism to an unprecedented height.

A nation that allows its leaders to get away with such unconscionable behavior is one that permits false appeals to patriotism and the support of our troops to blind it to one of the most fundamental of human instincts -- the need to grieve, especially when its young die so needlessly.

Hubert G. Locke, Seattle, is a retired professor and former dean of the Daniel J. Evans Graduate School of Public Affairs at the University of Washington.

Now you've done it, your in trouble now for posting all your liberal crap in here and upsetting the forum; Go back to your porn websites where you came from.

[mbkudu]

Nothing like a good old fashioned Sh*t slinging match!

[valentinoxxx]

Good old American cliches; Liberal, Anti American, Anti Semetic, World War 2......

I'm waiting for them to be trotted out.

In fact I'm waiting for an intelligent comment from the pro invasion crew.

Methinks one will not be forthcoming.

BTW Kevin was it my intelligent post that prompted/compelled you to reply or the Gentleman's...

I saw nothing intelligent in your reply. Try a little harder perhaps?

[Goat Roper]

These bassturds that think this war is great are nothing more than dog Sh*t on the bottom of my shoe! If it's such a just war, then why aren't all you a$$holes over there too?

I've been to places just as bad as Iraq, From your posts I know for sure you haven't, are you one of those long haired hippy, liberal draft dodging freaks?

[valentinoxxx]

I knew that you wouldn't let me down.

Now, let's see if you can work them all into a sentence or phrase.

[Goat Roper]

Sorry girls, I'll stand down awhile and let all you little liberal girls play with each other.

[mbkudu]

These bassturds that think this war is great are nothing more than dog Sh*t on the bottom of my shoe! If it's such a just war, then why aren't all you a$$holes over there too?

I've been to places just as bad as Iraq, From your posts I know for sure you haven't, are you one of those long haired hippy, liberal draft dodging freaks?

That not so great American statesman, Patrick Buchanan, once said something very wise. for one of his campaign platforms for presidency he stated that America should pull out politically and militarily from all foreign countries. This is a man who is a hardcore conservative with many views that i certainly don't agree with, but at least he had enough sense to see the chaos that US intervention in the world creates. Terrorism stems from a long chain of events mostly perpetrated by the USA and Europe which could have been avoided if certain countries were left in peace.

[the gentleman]

These bassturds that think this war is great are nothing more than dog Sh*t on the bottom of my shoe! If it's such a just war, then why aren't all you a$$holes over there too?

I've been to places just as bad as Iraq, From your posts I know for sure you haven't, are you one of those long haired hippy, liberal draft dodging freaks?

That not so great American statesman, Patrick Buchanan, once said something very wise. for one of his campaign platforms for presidency he stated that America should pull out politically and militarily from all foreign countries. This is a man who is a hardcore conservative with many views that i certainly don't agree with, but at least he had enough sense to see the chaos that US intervention in the world creates. Terrorism stems from a long chain of events mostly perpetrated by the USA and Europe which could have been avoided if certain countries were left in peace.

very true!

I also find it the same with the majority of war mongering yankees, they post something that is a flame and then they cry foul play, when its done to them - very messed up people!

[Georgie-Porgie]

These bassturds that think this war is great are nothing more than dog Sh*t on the bottom of my shoe! If it's such a just war, then why aren't all you a$$holes over there too?

I've been to places just as bad as Iraq, From your posts I know for sure you haven't, are you one of those long haired hippy, liberal draft dodging freaks?

That not so great American statesman, Patrick Buchanan, once said something very wise. for one of his campaign platforms for presidency he stated that America should pull out politically and militarily from all foreign countries. This is a man who is a hardcore conservative with many views that i certainly don't agree with, but at least he had enough sense to see the chaos that US intervention in the world creates. Terrorism stems from a long chain of events mostly perpetrated by the USA and Europe which could have been avoided if certain countries were left in peace.

What a moron!

Patrick Buchanan wanted the US to ignore the problems of the rest of the world. He is what an educated person calls an "Isolationist".

Did you ever finish Elementary school?

[Goat Roper]

These bassturds that think this war is great are nothing more than dog Sh*t on the bottom of my shoe! If it's such a just war, then why aren't all you a$$holes over there too?

I've been to places just as bad as Iraq, From your posts I know for sure you haven't, are you one of those long haired hippy, liberal draft dodging freaks?

That not so great American statesman, Patrick Buchanan, once said something very wise. for one of his campaign platforms for presidency he stated that America should pull out politically and militarily from all foreign countries. This is a man who is a hardcore conservative with many views that i certainly don't agree with, but at least he had enough sense to see the chaos that US intervention in the world creates. Terrorism stems from a long chain of events mostly perpetrated by the USA and Europe which could have been avoided if certain countries were left in peace.

very true!

I also find it the same with the majority of war mongering yankees, they post something that is a flame and then they cry foul play, when its done to them - very messed up people!

Look here you liberal kunt, you are deployed in terrain where you don't know or understand a <deleted> thing about what is going on, all you know how to do is sit on your barstool and pull your pudd and criticise everyone that is trying to make this world a better place so get out of my face you non-producer, crying foul play, not me but I do know your kind, go back to your hole and hide.

[george]

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