One dead, many injured after Koh Chang guest house collapses

[gandalf12]

This is what happens where there are no construction/building codes or enforcement of any kind of construction standards. In your own home, ok, just you get injured. But in a guest house, or any other building used by the unsuspecting public, it is not acceptable.

Thailand has yet to enter the latter half of the 20th century, much less the 21st.

It will be interesting to read the "Building Inspector's Report prior to Building Occupation", giving details of footings, concrete, rebar used, and overall building construction

It will be in the same file as the Fire Dept's inspection before Occupation, detailing fire exits, smoke alarms, extinguishers.

What reports? Should be with the building permission application but I bet there isnt any

[Wilsonandson]

Aerial photo of the hotel block that collapsed today on Koh Chang

Thanks to @iamKohChang twitter.

[MaxLee]

Safety regulations????

Face only...

And must bwverlose face!!!

With materials made in China...........

[scorecard]

Now let's see if there is blame apportioned. The hillside collapsed due to rain?

Of course. No one to be held responsible. Is that called an act of God here or does it have a local flavour to the God part?

And no questions will be asked in regard to:

- Approval of the construction blueprints,

- Inspections during construction,

- Inspection before licencing as a hotel (was it in fact licensed?)

- Ongoing regular inspections of the premises,,, etc.

In other words:

- Several on the ground senior government officers are derelict and should be investigated and punished.

- The most senior officers are derelict in not ensuring inspection processes are in place / are not ensuring the processes are enforced and they should be punished even more severely.

[Wilsonandson]

A fleet of 3 Royal Thai Navy ships ferried the injured to the mainland.

Edited June 4, 2016 by Wilsonandson

[ratcatcher]

A methaphor for Thailand

You mean a methamphetaphor?

[cumgranosalum]

No - KC is a particularly high risk case - and has been for years - the rains there often cause chaos and disruption, bridges all got washed away a ew years back and some parts of the island were cut off to 4 wheel traffic for months even years. The infrastructure and regulations are simply not adequate for such a popular island.

parts of the island were cut off to 4 wheel traffic for months even years

i call BS

call what you like - doesn't alter the facts....how much driving do/did you do around KC?

[shillhater]

No - KC is a particularly high risk case - and has been for years - the rains there often cause chaos and disruption, bridges all got washed away a ew years back and some parts of the island were cut off to 4 wheel traffic for months even years. The infrastructure and regulations are simply not adequate for such a popular island.

parts of the island were cut off to 4 wheel traffic for months even years

i call BS

call what you like - doesn't alter the facts....how much driving do/did you do around KC?been here long enough to remember no roads or eleteicat

it is not a fact it is BS..i have lived here before the roads were built...and at NO time has a road been closed for months or years...

[cumgranosalum]

No - KC is a particularly high risk case - and has been for years - the rains there often cause chaos and disruption, bridges all got washed away a ew years back and some parts of the island were cut off to 4 wheel traffic for months even years. The infrastructure and regulations are simply not adequate for such a popular island.

parts of the island were cut off to 4 wheel traffic for months even years

i call BS

call what you like - doesn't alter the facts....how much driving do/did you do around KC?been here long enough to remember no roads or eleteicat

it is not a fact it is BS..i have lived here before the roads were built...and at NO time has a road been closed for months or years...

Whatever

[shillhater]

cumgranosalum

if you are so sure tell me the place that was cut of for months and or years

[cumgranosalum]

cumgranosalum

if you are so sure tell me the place that was cut of for months and or years

a flicker of doubt?

[shillhater]

no

cumgranosalum just giving you a chance to prove you are not a BSter

[ozyjon]

Note to self. Do not buy two story house in Thailand.

or anything else for that matter,,

A typical mortar mix ratio is 1 cement : 3 sand.

how hard is that to figure out

[drbill]

Very tragic. This is Thailand. Construction is grossly suboptimal Life is cheap. It is a cultural phenomenon. Many Thais do care but in this country money talks.

[cumgranosalum]

no

cumgranosalum just giving you a chance to prove you are not a BSter

no...it's far better to think of the look on your face when your mates tell you that you're wrong. Go on make a fool of yourself down the pub.

[thairay]

Easy everyone, perhaps nobody told the builder that it might rain sometimes..

[kannot]

A few years ago I stayed in a 4-story B&B in the Thong Lor area of Bangkok. I noticed, on the 4th floor, the lighting fixtures swayed whenever an especially large truck went by on the street in front.

Don't stay there anymore, expecting we'll read about this place in the news down the road as well.

As with most 3rd world and developing countries, you have to take much more responsibility for your own personal safety, as did the earlier poster who checked out early from the Siam Beach Resort after noticing the shabby construction. Wise move.

Incidentally, the reviews on Agoda and Trip Advisor of this resort are pretty dismal, citing lack of maintenance as a chief concern.

Caveat emptor.

Did you ever get stuck on the express way? between the two carriageways you can watch the roads sway all over the place, its quite a sight

[kannot]

A fleet of 3 Royal Thai Navy ships ferried the injured to the mainland.

is this an army pr opportunity then?

[kannot]

Note to self. Do not buy two story house in Thailand.

or anything else for that matter,,

A typical mortar mix ratio is 1 cement : 3 sand.

how hard is that to figure out

Laying some concrete right now, 60 metres long 3 metres wide hand mix, i let my helper put the sand in but I put the cement in, the second he does it hes using less despite being told daily 1 cement 2 sand 3 stone all he can say is " boon mak mak" not only that its taken him 3 weeks to learn to count the shovelfuls in as opposed to the "total guess" method.

Then on top of all that is the water ratio...........sheeeeeeesh lets make it like "p****S, even cpac have delivered me this crap, which I sent back

Edited June 4, 2016 by kannot

[Cockwomble]

No - KC is a particularly high risk case - and has been for years - the rains there often cause chaos and disruption, bridges all got washed away a ew years back and some parts of the island were cut off to 4 wheel traffic for months even years. The infrastructure and regulations are simply not adequate for such a popular island.

parts of the island were cut off to 4 wheel traffic for months even years

i call BS

Nope, hes correct

[Sydebolle]

Well, the TAT will have to chew up something on this one. Why is it that Thailand NEVER gets out of its BAD NEWS?

[Pimay1]

Judging from the photo of how the concrete has crumbled I can be assured a standard compressive strength test was not made after initial placement of the concrete.

[Cockwomble]

The location of that eyesore is at the bottom of a steep hill, and next to a steep cliff. The road behind it is prone to flooding.Its poorly maintained, and is pretty much staffed by cambodians.

[MaxLee]

Judging from the photo of how the concrete has crumbled I can be assured a standard compressive strength test was not made after initial placement of the concrete.

That's what you call made in China.

[Fookhaht]

A few years ago I stayed in a 4-story B&B in the Thong Lor area of Bangkok. I noticed, on the 4th floor, the lighting fixtures swayed whenever an especially large truck went by on the street in front.

Don't stay there anymore, expecting we'll read about this place in the news down the road as well.

As with most 3rd world and developing countries, you have to take much more responsibility for your own personal safety, as did the earlier poster who checked out early from the Siam Beach Resort after noticing the shabby construction. Wise move.

Incidentally, the reviews on Agoda and Trip Advisor of this resort are pretty dismal, citing lack of maintenance as a chief concern.

Caveat emptor.

Did you ever get stuck on the express way? between the two carriageways you can watch the roads sway all over the place, its quite a sight

Sorry, I've never had the experience of riding in a carriage, much less being on a carriageway.

[anto]

Judging from the photo of how the concrete has crumbled I can be assured a standard compressive strength test was not made after initial placement of the concrete.

Is the Pope a catholic .

[legend49]

Rescuers safety gear is great; blue hard hat and flip flops on the feet?

[soc]

Note to self. Do not buy two story house in Thailand.

or anything else for that matter,,

A typical mortar mix ratio is 1 cement : 3 sand.

how hard is that to figure out

Laying some concrete right now, 60 metres long 3 metres wide hand mix, i let my helper put the sand in but I put the cement in, the second he does it hes using less despite being told daily 1 cement 2 sand 3 stone all he can say is " boon mak mak" not only that its taken him 3 weeks to learn to count the shovelfuls in as opposed to the "total guess" method.

Then on top of all that is the water ratio...........sheeeeeeesh lets make it like "p****S, even cpac have delivered me this crap, which I sent back

Thats the ratio that l use, 1:2:3.

If the concrete has to be really strong, l use 2:2:3.

[kannot]

A few years ago I stayed in a 4-story B&B in the Thong Lor area of Bangkok. I noticed, on the 4th floor, the lighting fixtures swayed whenever an especially large truck went by on the street in front.

Don't stay there anymore, expecting we'll read about this place in the news down the road as well.

As with most 3rd world and developing countries, you have to take much more responsibility for your own personal safety, as did the earlier poster who checked out early from the Siam Beach Resort after noticing the shabby construction. Wise move.

Incidentally, the reviews on Agoda and Trip Advisor of this resort are pretty dismal, citing lack of maintenance as a chief concern.

Caveat emptor.

Did you ever get stuck on the express way? between the two carriageways you can watch the roads sway all over the place, its quite a sight

Sorry, I've never had the experience of riding in a carriage, much less being on a carriageway.

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u aint lived pal

[kannot]

A few years ago I stayed in a 4-story B&B in the Thong Lor area of Bangkok. I noticed, on the 4th floor, the lighting fixtures swayed whenever an especially large truck went by on the street in front.

Don't stay there anymore, expecting we'll read about this place in the news down the road as well.

As with most 3rd world and developing countries, you have to take much more responsibility for your own personal safety, as did the earlier poster who checked out early from the Siam Beach Resort after noticing the shabby construction. Wise move.

Incidentally, the reviews on Agoda and Trip Advisor of this resort are pretty dismal, citing lack of maintenance as a chief concern.

Caveat emptor.

Did you ever get stuck on the express way? between the two carriageways you can watch the roads sway all over the place, its quite a sight

Sorry, I've never had the experience of riding in a carriage, much less being on a carriageway.

ImageUploadedByThaivisa Connect1465095500.074327.jpg

car·riage·way

ˈkerəjˌwā/

noun

BRITISH

1. each of the two sides of a divided highway or expressway, each of which usually have two or more lanes.

   • the part of a road intended for vehicles rather than pedestrians.