Redshirt leader Jatuporn given two years in jail for defamation charge

[The Deerhunter]

Hmmm. That assumes the powers-that-be have at least a little common sense, which I too believed at one point, but which I no longer believe.

As much as I sympathise with YL, seeing her banged up would be a useful amount of fuel on what at the moment is a modest smoulder...

Winnie

Another unbelievably naive and ridiculous response Winnie. Care to go for a hat trick on this topic? Edit: Too late. Found No 3 already and No 4 too. I am not looking for more.

Which I take to mean you don't agree. Less verbose to just say "I don't agree" I would have thought, but up to you of course.

As to naive, well, I guess we'll see.

It is odd though, according to my CP, I have you 'liking' one of the posts in this thread. An accident perhaps...

Have you considered the 'ignore' button? I'm told it's useful to block posters not to your liking. Worth a try...

Winnie

I am not sure which avatar I should block first, your current one or your previous one.................

[Winniedapu]

Hmmm. That assumes the powers-that-be have at least a little common sense, which I too believed at one point, but which I no longer believe.

As much as I sympathise with YL, seeing her banged up would be a useful amount of fuel on what at the moment is a modest smoulder...

Winnie

Another unbelievably naive and ridiculous response Winnie. Care to go for a hat trick on this topic? Edit: Too late. Found No 3 already and No 4 too. I am not looking for more.

Which I take to mean you don't agree. Less verbose to just say "I don't agree" I would have thought, but up to you of course.

As to naive, well, I guess we'll see.

It is odd though, according to my CP, I have you 'liking' one of the posts in this thread. An accident perhaps...

Have you considered the 'ignore' button? I'm told it's useful to block posters not to your liking. Worth a try...

Winnie

I am not sure which avatar I should block first, your current one or your previous one.................

Can't help you there, I don't use avatars, never have - all seems a bit 'social media" to me.

Winnie

[halloween]

It works because you discredit your opposition by showing them up as unsavoury liars in the eyes of the general public, who decide not to vote for unsavoury liars. That's if you are any good as a politician, of course. If you're not, you don't deserve to get elected anyway. It's a system that works fantastically well in democracies.

I can only assume you are an American, with election campaigns a year or more long and with billions to waste on buying public opinion. In the real world, election campaigns and funding are far shorter.

Which brings us to Thailand, where being an unsavoury liar would be the least of the character flaws of many of those who get elected, and we have the party list where candidates don't even answer to an electorate. Finally we have UDD, an organisation specifically funded to promote misinformation, distorted truth and outright lies, who aren't running for office. That's not to say they won't get it, hidden way down the party list.

[jayboy]

Well it's great to note all the names of the Junta sycophants/apologists/one eyed supporters on this post.

We've always known who they are but it's rare these days to see them all on one page.

I guess it's rare to see them lately because they've not much to gloat about now, their hero turned into a tyrant.

Their lack of historical hindsight and lack of understanding of Thai culture, is demonstrated here, by taking sides with the aristocracy.

Perhaps 30 years ago they were on safe ground, but now the aristocracy and their supporters are in for a real shock.

It will happen, it's inevitable, and as Winnie says, it will be bloody.

However, the will of the people will be finally heard here.

Maybe someone is taking notes on Western junta sycophants, who knows?

They are an unattractively mean spirited bunch to be sure but I disagree somewhat with your diagnosis.Though few appear that well educated many have been long term residents and over time have aquired some extensive knowledge of Thai culture.None apparently have any in depth grasp of Thai history and one doubts their social links are with the Thai upper class aristocracy.Their prime affiliations and influences seem to be with the mainly though not exclusively Sino Thai urban middle and lower middle class, a generally myopic and crassly materialistic culture.At one time their opinions were main stream but judging from their posts, they have rather lost touch with the prevailing national mood of disillusion and anger.These usual suspects seize on a subject like Jatuporn (a rogue but hardly in the same league as .....) because there's not much else for them to gnaw on. As Kong Rithdee put it in the BP today , 'The soundtrack of the country is a monotonous rambling of an outdated tune that drowns out everything." Our old dinosaurs continue to dance to that outdated tune.

[Winniedapu]

A new proof that Thailand is the contrary of a democratic country and is 555 years back in time compared to Europe.

Just out of interest can you tell me how long it took Europe to become democratic?

A couple of weeks, a month, 6 months, a year of 10 or perhaps hundreds of years?

Yet you think and expect Thailand to reach that standard in 84 years.

Time is universal, so I think you'll find Thailand has had more or less exactly the same amount of time as every other country.

They probably started later though, that would be reasonably typical of Thais, a day late and a dollar short.

W

Edited June 11, 2016 by Winniedapu

[Khun Han]

It works because you discredit your opposition by showing them up as unsavoury liars in the eyes of the general public, who decide not to vote for unsavoury liars. That's if you are any good as a politician, of course. If you're not, you don't deserve to get elected anyway. It's a system that works fantastically well in democracies.

I can only assume you are an American, with election campaigns a year or more long and with billions to waste on buying public opinion. In the real world, election campaigns and funding are far shorter.

Which brings us to Thailand, where being an unsavoury liar would be the least of the character flaws of many of those who get elected, and we have the party list where candidates don't even answer to an electorate. Finally we have UDD, an organisation specifically funded to promote misinformation, distorted truth and outright lies, who aren't running for office. That's not to say they won't get it, hidden way down the party list.

Your post reads like a set of excuses for p1ss-poor politicians.

In any length of election campaign, a wily politician can humiliate their opposition easily when they hold the truth, often with one good throwaway retort.

It doesn't matter how murky politics are in Thailand. If politicians from one party spread lies about politicians from another party, the offended party can just as easily ridicule the other party. If they can't do that effectively, they're rubbish politicians and don't deserve to be elected. And it doesn't matter who the politicians are who are spreading the lies: if they're allied to politicians standing for election, the whole group becomes a target for an appropriate response. It's called fighting a good election campaign.

[Winniedapu]

The defamation laws are a joke, no doubt about it. Jatuporn deserves to be in jail, no doubt about that either, incitement to arson would be a good start. Isn't it interesting that the Joker gets all the attention while Nattawut, the truly dangerous one sits in waiting as the next PM.

In more civilised countries, perhaps the ones who sorted out their landed barons already, truth is a defence to libel.

As it should be. Jatuporn only spoke the truth, and Abhisit desperately wanted to shut him up before what he said became embedded in the mythology of 2010.

IMHO, Abihisit is a privileged wastrel who should never be allowed near politics or grown-ups, he's certainly been the kiss of death to the 'Democratic' party. Who richly deserve him.

W

[halloween]

It works because you discredit your opposition by showing them up as unsavoury liars in the eyes of the general public, who decide not to vote for unsavoury liars. That's if you are any good as a politician, of course. If you're not, you don't deserve to get elected anyway. It's a system that works fantastically well in democracies.

I can only assume you are an American, with election campaigns a year or more long and with billions to waste on buying public opinion. In the real world, election campaigns and funding are far shorter.

Which brings us to Thailand, where being an unsavoury liar would be the least of the character flaws of many of those who get elected, and we have the party list where candidates don't even answer to an electorate. Finally we have UDD, an organisation specifically funded to promote misinformation, distorted truth and outright lies, who aren't running for office. That's not to say they won't get it, hidden way down the party list.

Your post reads like a set of excuses for p1ss-poor politicians.

In any length of election campaign, a wily politician can humiliate their opposition easily when they hold the truth, often with one good throwaway retort.

It doesn't matter how murky politics are in Thailand. If politicians from one party spread lies about politicians from another party, the offended party can just as easily ridicule the other party. If they can't do that effectively, they're rubbish politicians and don't deserve to be elected. And it doesn't matter who the politicians are who are spreading the lies: if they're allied to politicians standing for election, the whole group becomes a target for an appropriate response. It's called fighting a good election campaign.

And you seem to be suggesting a smart mouth is all it takes. And being photogenic helps. Others might suggest that in a "good politician" these traits are less important than honesty, integrity, altruism.

My opinion remains unchanged - spreading malicious lies about a person should be a criminal offence. The only defence is that the statements are provably true.

[Winniedapu]

It works because you discredit your opposition by showing them up as unsavoury liars in the eyes of the general public, who decide not to vote for unsavoury liars. That's if you are any good as a politician, of course. If you're not, you don't deserve to get elected anyway. It's a system that works fantastically well in democracies.

I can only assume you are an American, with election campaigns a year or more long and with billions to waste on buying public opinion. In the real world, election campaigns and funding are far shorter.

Which brings us to Thailand, where being an unsavoury liar would be the least of the character flaws of many of those who get elected, and we have the party list where candidates don't even answer to an electorate. Finally we have UDD, an organisation specifically funded to promote misinformation, distorted truth and outright lies, who aren't running for office. That's not to say they won't get it, hidden way down the party list.

Your post reads like a set of excuses for p1ss-poor politicians.

In any length of election campaign, a wily politician can humiliate their opposition easily when they hold the truth, often with one good throwaway retort.

It doesn't matter how murky politics are in Thailand. If politicians from one party spread lies about politicians from another party, the offended party can just as easily ridicule the other party. If they can't do that effectively, they're rubbish politicians and don't deserve to be elected. And it doesn't matter who the politicians are who are spreading the lies: if they're allied to politicians standing for election, the whole group becomes a target for an appropriate response. It's called fighting a good election campaign.

And you seem to be suggesting a smart mouth is all it takes. And being photogenic helps. Others might suggest that in a "good politician" these traits are less important than honesty, integrity, altruism.

My opinion remains unchanged - spreading malicious lies about a person should be a criminal offence. The only defence is that the statements are provably true.

And you seem to be suggesting a smart mouth is all it takes. And being photogenic helps. Others might suggest that in a "good politician" these traits are less important than honesty, integrity, altruism.

Alas, for at least most politicians, certainly the ones I've met, appearance and a persuasive manner are paramount. Mostly people make judgments about trustworthiness and integrity on the basis of appearance, and the sound of their voice, not necessarily their track record. This is certainly true of Abhisit. Sadly, most good rascals are able to create the appearance and sound of a trustworthy person. Con men rely on it and Thailand has way more than its fair share of conmen.

My opinion remains unchanged - spreading malicious lies about a person should be a criminal offence. The only defence is that the statements are provably true.

Agreed. In the case of Abhisit, they were true, and probably provably true. However, Thai courts are not based on the 'jury of peers' principle, they're based on the 'good person' principle. Unfortunately, that principle has been shown to be worthless, and the Thai justice system builds entirely on that.

W

Edited June 11, 2016 by Winniedapu

[Khun Han]

It works because you discredit your opposition by showing them up as unsavoury liars in the eyes of the general public, who decide not to vote for unsavoury liars. That's if you are any good as a politician, of course. If you're not, you don't deserve to get elected anyway. It's a system that works fantastically well in democracies.

I can only assume you are an American, with election campaigns a year or more long and with billions to waste on buying public opinion. In the real world, election campaigns and funding are far shorter.

Which brings us to Thailand, where being an unsavoury liar would be the least of the character flaws of many of those who get elected, and we have the party list where candidates don't even answer to an electorate. Finally we have UDD, an organisation specifically funded to promote misinformation, distorted truth and outright lies, who aren't running for office. That's not to say they won't get it, hidden way down the party list.

Your post reads like a set of excuses for p1ss-poor politicians.

In any length of election campaign, a wily politician can humiliate their opposition easily when they hold the truth, often with one good throwaway retort.

It doesn't matter how murky politics are in Thailand. If politicians from one party spread lies about politicians from another party, the offended party can just as easily ridicule the other party. If they can't do that effectively, they're rubbish politicians and don't deserve to be elected. And it doesn't matter who the politicians are who are spreading the lies: if they're allied to politicians standing for election, the whole group becomes a target for an appropriate response. It's called fighting a good election campaign.

And you seem to be suggesting a smart mouth is all it takes. And being photogenic helps. Others might suggest that in a "good politician" these traits are less important than honesty, integrity, altruism.

My opinion remains unchanged - spreading malicious lies about a person should be a criminal offence. The only defence is that the statements are provably true.

Nope. I'm suggesting that politicians actually try to be good at being politicians, instead of crying to mummy. It always works well in the democratic process. It doesn't, of course, work well for rubbish politicians.

[JAS21]

Is Jatuporn actually inside a jail now ... if so go ...

[Wilsonandson]

Is Jatuporn actually inside a jail now ... if so go ...

No, I thought he was in Phrae today, campaigning alongside Yingluck for a Pheu Thai Party comeback. Edited June 11, 2016 by Wilsonandson

[JAS21]

Is Jatuporn actually inside a jail now ... if so go ...

No, I thought he was in Phrae today, campaigning alongside Yingluck for a Pheu Thai Party comeback.

Well lets hope that fails .....

[Wilsonandson]

Yingluck's speech today on the Thai constitution "It's like building a house, you have to build it for the occupants, not make them uncomfy"

[Wilsonandson]

[Redline]

But, you can kill a dozen people in a bus, and pay a few thousand baht

[rubl]

The redshirts won all free elections since 2000.

Blinkers, much. Won. Bought.

Oh puhlease. Not the old *vote buying* refrain again.

It's been shown to be nonsense time and time again, but some of the old faithfuls keep trotting it out.

At best it shows an almost pooch-like loyalty to those who have been repeatedly been shown not to deserve loyalty. Touching in some ways I suppose.

But not intelligent.

Winnie

Absolutely!

The 2001 election Thaksin won fair and square. After all he had bought a lot of small political parties and brought them under the "Thai Rak Thaksin" enterprise. Man, that investment paid off indeed.

The 2005 election was a fair win, lots of money thrown around, World Economy booming, no one yet even busy making up the bill.

The 2008 election a bit doubtful, influence of a few in the background could not be ruled out.

The 2011 election was masterful, Thaksin thought and his Pheu Thai delivered. Back to being Country Manager again if this time from afar.

Anyway, Jatuporn of the topic made remarks in October 2009 regarding Abhisit. So obviously anything after has no relation, not even 2010, the bonfires, the elections or the coup.

His remarks were in line with the nice tape made with Abhisit seemingly saying something like 'Kill me some red-shirts'. Naughty, the fake tape that is. As Jatuporn knows the law he should have been aware that his remarks could get his charged for defamation. Maybe he didn't think it would get that far?

[Winniedapu]

The redshirts won all free elections since 2000.

Blinkers, much. Won. Bought.

Oh puhlease. Not the old *vote buying* refrain again.

It's been shown to be nonsense time and time again, but some of the old faithfuls keep trotting it out.

At best it shows an almost pooch-like loyalty to those who have been repeatedly been shown not to deserve loyalty. Touching in some ways I suppose.

But not intelligent.

Winnie

Absolutely!

The 2001 election Thaksin won fair and square. After all he had bought a lot of small political parties and brought them under the "Thai Rak Thaksin" enterprise. Man, that investment paid off indeed.

The 2005 election was a fair win, lots of money thrown around, World Economy booming, no one yet even busy making up the bill.

The 2008 election a bit doubtful, influence of a few in the background could not be ruled out.

The 2011 election was masterful, Thaksin thought and his Pheu Thai delivered. Back to being Country Manager again if this time from afar.

Anyway, Jatuporn of the topic made remarks in October 2009 regarding Abhisit. So obviously anything after has no relation, not even 2010, the bonfires, the elections or the coup.

His remarks were in line with the nice tape made with Abhisit seemingly saying something like 'Kill me some red-shirts'. Naughty, the fake tape that is. As Jatuporn knows the law he should have been aware that his remarks could get his charged for defamation. Maybe he didn't think it would get that far?

Like herding cats this...

So. No vote buying then? We are agreed?

W

[halloween]

Reported elsewhere the Jatuporn's lawyer said the court should consider his client's good deeds. I am assuming he is referring to real estate rather than actions.

[rubl]

Oh puhlease. Not the old *vote buying* refrain again.

It's been shown to be nonsense time and time again, but some of the old faithfuls keep trotting it out.

At best it shows an almost pooch-like loyalty to those who have been repeatedly been shown not to deserve loyalty. Touching in some ways I suppose.

But not intelligent.

Winnie

Absolutely!

The 2001 election Thaksin won fair and square. After all he had bought a lot of small political parties and brought them under the "Thai Rak Thaksin" enterprise. Man, that investment paid off indeed.

The 2005 election was a fair win, lots of money thrown around, World Economy booming, no one yet even busy making up the bill.

The 2008 election a bit doubtful, influence of a few in the background could not be ruled out.

The 2011 election was masterful, Thaksin thought and his Pheu Thai delivered. Back to being Country Manager again if this time from afar.

Anyway, Jatuporn of the topic made remarks in October 2009 regarding Abhisit. So obviously anything after has no relation, not even 2010, the bonfires, the elections or the coup.

His remarks were in line with the nice tape made with Abhisit seemingly saying something like 'Kill me some red-shirts'. Naughty, the fake tape that is. As Jatuporn knows the law he should have been aware that his remarks could get his charged for defamation. Maybe he didn't think it would get that far?

Like herding cats this...

So. No vote buying then? We are agreed?

W

So, a vote buying in a more sophisticated form than handing out money on election day, making use of weaknesses in the democratic model, abusing democracy. Vote buying by promises and of course 'Thanks for the vote, please go home now, your better have money to make".

Agreed?

[rubl]

Not sure how this nice clip of Ms. Yingluck relates to the topic. Obviously she was way too young to be involved in 2009 affairs. Also as Jonathan Head from the BBC told us she on a Tourist spot inspection tour. Now that has nothing to do with Jatuporn defaming Abhisit.

[mtls2005]

In a related issue, On Friday an appeals court threw out Korn's libel suit against a whole host of enemies. Shocking, yes, but I suspect he'll pursue this one until he gets a judgement he can be happy with.

An/The Appeals Court has upheld the primary court ruling acquitting two Pheu Thai members for criticising former finance minister Korn Chatikavanij and his family for seeking favours from Thai Airways International.

Evidently TG staff made it known that Korn was always shaking them down for free upgrades, and since he was such a douche, they went public about his behavior. The amart just can't allow their boorish behavior to be made public.

Of course he can afford business or first class, but evidently they didn't "know who he was".

[chainarong]

A new proof that Thailand is the contrary of a democratic country and is 555 years back in time compared to Europe.

Just out of interest can you tell me how long it took Europe to become democratic?

A couple of weeks, a month, 6 months, a year of 10 or perhaps hundreds of years?

Yet you think and expect Thailand to reach that standard in 84 years.

The road to democracy started in 1973, with the students , another skirmish in 92, before that you wouldn't want to know it.

[jayboy]

In a related issue, On Friday an appeals court threw out Korn's libel suit against a whole host of enemies. Shocking, yes, but I suspect he'll pursue this one until he gets a judgement he can be happy with.

An/The Appeals Court has upheld the primary court ruling acquitting two Pheu Thai members for criticising former finance minister Korn Chatikavanij and his family for seeking favours from Thai Airways International.

Evidently TG staff made it known that Korn was always shaking them down for free upgrades, and since he was such a douche, they went public about his behavior. The amart just can't allow their boorish behavior to be made public.

Of course he can afford business or first class, but evidently they didn't "know who he was".

Don't know anything about the details of this case but the behaviour described is definitely not that typical of Khun Korn.I am unaware of anyone in upper political circles who is less a " do you know who I am" type.He would definitely not "shake down" TG staff.In any case he is (legitimately) a wealthy guy.This story doesn't make sense.

[Winniedapu]

In a related issue, On Friday an appeals court threw out Korn's libel suit against a whole host of enemies. Shocking, yes, but I suspect he'll pursue this one until he gets a judgement he can be happy with.

An/The Appeals Court has upheld the primary court ruling acquitting two Pheu Thai members for criticising former finance minister Korn Chatikavanij and his family for seeking favours from Thai Airways International.

Evidently TG staff made it known that Korn was always shaking them down for free upgrades, and since he was such a douche, they went public about his behavior. The amart just can't allow their boorish behavior to be made public.

Of course he can afford business or first class, but evidently they didn't "know who he was".

Don't know anything about the details of this case but the behaviour described is definitely not that typical of Khun Korn.I am unaware of anyone in upper political circles who is less a " do you know who I am" type.He would definitely not "shake down" TG staff.In any case he is (legitimately) a wealthy guy.This story doesn't make sense.

Well, evidently 'Khun Korn' is not such a principled man as you thought. You'll be in good company there - successful con-men are successful precisely because they fool people like you and me. I doubt he was picked on for a spot of casual victimisation by TG staff, but even if he was, it's likely a case of poetic justice as far as I'm concerned, he is not an upstanding man, he's a senior member of the so-called 'democratic' party, and even if he was unpopular with TG staff, there will be a good reason for that I expect. Many have apparently found him to be status-conscious and not very principled. A typical Thai politician perhaps.

Here's a life lesson, he's wealthy and powerful, so the likelihood is that he's exactly as you say he's not.

Winnie

Edited June 12, 2016 by Winniedapu

[jayboy]

In a related issue, On Friday an appeals court threw out Korn's libel suit against a whole host of enemies. Shocking, yes, but I suspect he'll pursue this one until he gets a judgement he can be happy with.

An/The Appeals Court has upheld the primary court ruling acquitting two Pheu Thai members for criticising former finance minister Korn Chatikavanij and his family for seeking favours from Thai Airways International.

Evidently TG staff made it known that Korn was always shaking them down for free upgrades, and since he was such a douche, they went public about his behavior. The amart just can't allow their boorish behavior to be made public.

Of course he can afford business or first class, but evidently they didn't "know who he was".

Don't know anything about the details of this case but the behaviour described is definitely not that typical of Khun Korn.I am unaware of anyone in upper political circles who is less a " do you know who I am" type.He would definitely not "shake down" TG staff.In any case he is (legitimately) a wealthy guy.This story doesn't make sense.

Well, evidently 'Khun Korn' is not such a principled man as you thought. You'll be in good company there - successful con-men are successful precisely because they fool people like you and me. I doubt he was picked on for a spot of casual victimisation by TG staff, but even if he was, it's likely a case of poetic justice as far as I'm concerned, he is not an upstanding man, he's a senior member of the so-called 'democratic' party, and even if he was unpopular with TG staff, there will be a good reason for that I expect. Many have apparently found him to be status-conscious and not very principled. A typical Thai politician perhaps.

Here's a life lesson, he's wealthy and powerful, so the likelihood is that he's exactly as you say he's not.

Winnie

Nah, you don't know the man.

[Dumbastheycome]

Well it's great to note all the names of the Junta sycophants/apologists/one eyed supporters on this post.

We've always known who they are but it's rare these days to see them all on one page.

I guess it's rare to see them lately because they've not much to gloat about now, their hero turned into a tyrant.

Their lack of historical hindsight and lack of understanding of Thai culture, is demonstrated here, by taking sides with the aristocracy.

Perhaps 30 years ago they were on safe ground, but now the aristocracy and their supporters are in for a real shock.

It will happen, it's inevitable, and as Winnie says, it will be bloody.

However, the will of the people will be finally heard here.

Maybe someone is taking notes on Western junta sycophants, who knows?

It is also great to note that at least one tvf member who I would assume is not Thai but has a superior knowledge,understanding and compassion for Thais and Thailand who can state catagorically " note all the names of the Junta sycophants/apologists/one eyed supporters on this post.

We've always known who they are but it's rare these days to see them all on one page."as if is an oservation of superior wisdom no less.

As an individual who although does not have Thai nationality but am part Thai I feel humbled by such insight! Western sycophants? Yes, they do exist!

[Winniedapu]

In a related issue, On Friday an appeals court threw out Korn's libel suit against a whole host of enemies. Shocking, yes, but I suspect he'll pursue this one until he gets a judgement he can be happy with.

An/The Appeals Court has upheld the primary court ruling acquitting two Pheu Thai members for criticising former finance minister Korn Chatikavanij and his family for seeking favours from Thai Airways International.

Evidently TG staff made it known that Korn was always shaking them down for free upgrades, and since he was such a douche, they went public about his behavior. The amart just can't allow their boorish behavior to be made public.

Of course he can afford business or first class, but evidently they didn't "know who he was".

Don't know anything about the details of this case but the behaviour described is definitely not that typical of Khun Korn.I am unaware of anyone in upper political circles who is less a " do you know who I am" type.He would definitely not "shake down" TG staff.In any case he is (legitimately) a wealthy guy.This story doesn't make sense.

Well, evidently 'Khun Korn' is not such a principled man as you thought. You'll be in good company there - successful con-men are successful precisely because they fool people like you and me. I doubt he was picked on for a spot of casual victimisation by TG staff, but even if he was, it's likely a case of poetic justice as far as I'm concerned, he is not an upstanding man, he's a senior member of the so-called 'democratic' party, and even if he was unpopular with TG staff, there will be a good reason for that I expect. Many have apparently found him to be status-conscious and not very principled. A typical Thai politician perhaps.

Here's a life lesson, he's wealthy and powerful, so the likelihood is that he's exactly as you say he's not.

Winnie

Nah, you don't know the man.

That's true, I am unbiased by knowing and liking the man, and by thinking he's a jolly good fellow who couldn't possibly act like an @$$hole.

But I do understand people, and presumably the TG people had reason to say those things about him...

I imagine they don't know the man like you do though.

Thaksin's probably to blame.

Winnie

Edited June 12, 2016 by Winniedapu

[halloween]

In a related issue, On Friday an appeals court threw out Korn's libel suit against a whole host of enemies. Shocking, yes, but I suspect he'll pursue this one until he gets a judgement he can be happy with.

An/The Appeals Court has upheld the primary court ruling acquitting two Pheu Thai members for criticising former finance minister Korn Chatikavanij and his family for seeking favours from Thai Airways International.

Evidently TG staff made it known that Korn was always shaking them down for free upgrades, and since he was such a douche, they went public about his behavior. The amart just can't allow their boorish behavior to be made public.

Of course he can afford business or first class, but evidently they didn't "know who he was".

Don't know anything about the details of this case but the behaviour described is definitely not that typical of Khun Korn.I am unaware of anyone in upper political circles who is less a " do you know who I am" type.He would definitely not "shake down" TG staff.In any case he is (legitimately) a wealthy guy.This story doesn't make sense.

Well, evidently 'Khun Korn' is not such a principled man as you thought. You'll be in good company there - successful con-men are successful precisely because they fool people like you and me. I doubt he was picked on for a spot of casual victimisation by TG staff, but even if he was, it's likely a case of poetic justice as far as I'm concerned, he is not an upstanding man, he's a senior member of the so-called 'democratic' party, and even if he was unpopular with TG staff, there will be a good reason for that I expect. Many have apparently found him to be status-conscious and not very principled. A typical Thai politician perhaps.

Here's a life lesson, he's wealthy and powerful, so the likelihood is that he's exactly as you say he's not.

Winnie

Nah, you don't know the man.

And you do? The evidence given in court was that he would routinely buy the cheapest seats and then insist on upgrades. The court decided that the claims were essentially true, and fair criticism of a public figure.

[heybruce]

A new proof that Thailand is the contrary of a democratic country and is 555 years back in time compared to Europe.

Just out of interest can you tell me how long it took Europe to become democratic?

A couple of weeks, a month, 6 months, a year of 10 or perhaps hundreds of years?

Yet you think and expect Thailand to reach that standard in 84 years.

The road to democracy started in 1973, with the students , another skirmish in 92, before that you wouldn't want to know it.

How many military coups have detoured this road to democracy since 1972?

European countries did not become democratic until they had their militaries under control. Thailand needs to work on that. Obviously the junta is not going to help with that aspect of democracy.

Edited June 12, 2016 by heybruce