Bluespunk Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 So have I. I'm convinced he has been laundering money. 103 Years is really OTP in my opinion, but I'm pretty sure he'll be back in the Netherlands quite soon. You may be convinced he has but a court of law decides that. The conviction in Thailand was for spending money earned from the legal sale of drugs in the Netherlands. Since you like to point to the OP: "He was jailed for laundering money made from the coffee shops which were licenced in the Netherlands." Pretending he is an innocent victim is in my opinion total BS. And that is my last word on this. We'll have to see how it develops. From the OP Fifteen months later, Van Laarhoven was convicted for spending money in Thailand that he earned by selling cannabis in the Netherlands. It should be noted that the sale of cannabis in coffee shops is legal in the Netherlands and the Dutch “gedoogbeleid” policy ensures that authorities turn a blind eye when coffee shop owners buy stock from illegal dealers. The Thai court’s verdict, however, ignores that policy, concluding that money earned with the sale of drugs has to be illegal money. Therefore, spending that money is a crime. His assets in Thailand were siezed and his home and vehicles were auctioned off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Muton Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Don't you see that the articles I linked to are about developments in the case AFTER that agreement was made, or is it just that you just parrot yourself, because you can't rebut my comments. According to the Telegraaf, the police also raided the building of The Grass Company itself, which is situated on Spoorlaan. These actions happened at the same time that the court in The Hague was handling a lawsuit against the companys founder Johan van Laarhoven. He has been in custody in Thailand, where he is suspected of money laundering, since last summer. I guess he didn't report within 5 days then And don't you see that at the time of his trial he had an agreement to return to face charges.Instead of being given this opportunity he was arrested and tried and convicted for spending money that at the time was, from a legal standpoint, legitimately earned. ''Fifteen months later, Van Laarhoven was convicted for spending money in Thailand that he earned by selling cannabis in the Netherlands.'' He has committed no crime here and should not be in gaol. This is my last reply to you, because you prefer to close your eyes to facts, rather than admit you're sprouting nothing but drivel. The founder of this chain, Johan van Laarhoven, is currently imprisoned in Thailand, where he was recently sentenced to 103 years in prison for money laundering and earning money from selling soft drugs in the Netherlands. Let the other posters know which part of the conviction you don't understand, and why there can be a conviction if it isn't illegal. Bye bye Read the link to the OP. That tells you exactly why he was gaoled. ''Fifteen months later, Van Laarhoven was convicted for spending money in Thailand that he earned by selling cannabis in the Netherlands. It should be noted that the sale of cannabis in coffee shops is legal in the Netherlands and the Dutch gedoogbeleid policy ensures that authorities turn a blind eye when coffee shop owners buy stock from illegal dealers. The Thai courts verdict, however, ignores that policy, concluding that money earned with the sale of drugs has to be illegal money. Therefore, spending that money is a crime. His assets in Thailand were siezed and his home and vehicles were auctioned off.'' Quite. You seem to be confusing a policy with a law. Authorities may turn a blind eye to an illegal activity but that does not make it legal. You also seem to be unable or unwilling to acknowledge that earnings may be illegal. He is in jail for laundering his illegal earnings in Thailand, simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAMHERE Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Bad news for USA citizens from Colorado, Washington, and Oregon. Probably many others that sell medical marijuwana in lots of other states. Heck, I'd think any government employee issuing license to sell marijuwana is liable to be jailed if they tour Thailand. I'd guess Ecuador may be in trouble too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Muton Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Bad news for USA citizens from Colorado, Washington, and Oregon. Probably many others that sell medical marijuwana in lots of other states. Heck, I'd think any government employee issuing license to sell marijuwana is liable to be jailed if they tour Thailand. I'd guess Ecuador may be in trouble too. If it is legal in those states then it's a different situation. The article linked to the op makes it clear that the Dutch guy was acting illegally (despite the assertion that the Dutch authorities were turning a blind eye). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gulfsailor Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Bad news for USA citizens from Colorado, Washington, and Oregon. Probably many others that sell medical marijuwana in lots of other states. Heck, I'd think any government employee issuing license to sell marijuwana is liable to be jailed if they tour Thailand. I'd guess Ecuador may be in trouble too.If it is legal in those states then it's a different situation. The article linked to the op makes it clear that the Dutch guy was acting illegally (despite the assertion that the Dutch authorities were turning a blind eye). The article may hint at something illegal happened in the Netherlands, but since the Dutch legal system could not pun anything on him, we need to assume his innocence. A lawyer working for the public prosecutor didn't not like this and then decided to send a letter to Thailand asking them to investigate Van Laarhoven. This lawyer has since been fired form his job and a criminal investigation launched against this lawyer/prosecutor! Imagine the scenario where the owner of a successful nightclub/bar in a western country is sentenced to 100+ years in a Muslim country where he invested some of his earnings after his retirement from selling alcohol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mangostin Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Bad news for USA citizens from Colorado, Washington, and Oregon. Probably many others that sell medical marijuwana Just wait till they send their submarines into the Mediterranean's sea.....http://www.businessinsider.com/italian-army-growing-cannabis-2015-5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Muton Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Bad news for USA citizens from Colorado, Washington, and Oregon. Probably many others that sell medical marijuwana in lots of other states. Heck, I'd think any government employee issuing license to sell marijuwana is liable to be jailed if they tour Thailand. I'd guess Ecuador may be in trouble too.If it is legal in those states then it's a different situation. The article linked to the op makes it clear that the Dutch guy was acting illegally (despite the assertion that the Dutch authorities were turning a blind eye).The article may hint at something illegal happened in the Netherlands, but since the Dutch legal system could not pun anything on him, we need to assume his innocence. A lawyer working for the public prosecutor didn't not like this and then decided to send a letter to Thailand asking them to investigate Van Laarhoven. This lawyer has since been fired form his job and a criminal investigation launched against this lawyer/prosecutor!Imagine the scenario where the owner of a successful nightclub/bar in a western country is sentenced to 100+ years in a Muslim country where he invested some of his earnings after his retirement from selling alcohol. "Could not pin anything on him" and "turn a blind eye" are quite different. Don't forget we've already had Brits prosecuted in London for calling somebody names in France, so anything's possible! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bender Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 when people will wake up and smell the coffee, people here will screw farang at the first chance.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenchair Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 I don't understand why his wife got 13 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kovaltech Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 ''During years of investigation, no evidence was found that could convict Van Laarhoven or his business partners in the Netherlands. Van Laarhoven and the Openbaar Ministerie agreed that if they ever again wanted to interrogate him about the case, he would report to the Netherlands within five days of their request. After a request from a Dutch lawyer working for Openbaar Ministerie, the Thai authorities launched their own investigation into Van Laarhoven. Several days later he and his wife were arrested at their Pattaya home. Fifteen months later, Van Laarhoven was convicted for spending money in Thailand that he earned by selling cannabis in the Netherlands. It should be noted that the sale of cannabis in coffee shops is legal in the Netherlands and the Dutch “gedoogbeleid” policy ensures that authorities turn a blind eye when coffee shop owners buy stock from illegal dealers.' The Thai court’s verdict, however, ignores that policy, concluding that money earned with the sale of drugs has to be illegal money. Therefore, spending that money is a crime. His assets in Thailand were siezed and his home and vehicles were auctioned off.'' This man should not be in gaol. If everything was so legal in The Netherlands, then why was the Dutch government interrogating him so often, and was there even a need to make the five day to report agreement. Maybe you should read up a bit more on the background of Mr Van Laarhoven. Maybe you should read the first line of the news article I quoted. In fact why not read it all. He broke no laws in Thailand. I think there is a law in Thailand, in fact that law may exist in most countries in the world, against money laundering. mon·ey laun·der·ing noun noun: money laundering; noun: moneylaundering the concealment of the origins of illegally obtained money, typically by means of transfers involving foreign banks or legitimate businesses. "he was convicted of money laundering and tax evasion" nope, he was questioned, not even indicted... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berty100 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 No. I've followed this story from the start. He did nothing wrong. So have I. I'm convinced he has been laundering money. 103 Years is really OTP in my opinion, but I'm pretty sure he'll be back in the Netherlands quite soon. You may be convinced he has but a court of law decides that. The conviction in Thailand was for spending money earned from the legal sale of drugs in the Netherlands. Since you like to point to the OP: "He was jailed for laundering money made from the coffee shops which were licenced in the Netherlands." Pretending he is an innocent victim is in my opinion total BS. And that is my last word on this. We'll have to see how it develops. Stevenl, I know you are a Dutch man, please enlighten some stubborn people on this forum if in The Netherlands LEGAL goods usually are stored in a hidden room, and if so for what reason. http://www.nltimes.nl/2015/05/22/hidden-room-filled-with-weed-forces-coffeeshops-closure/ A business premises on Kooikerstraat in Tilburg from where The Grass Company coffee shops are supplied, has been closed down for 6 months. Mayor Peter Noordanus made this decision on Thursday after large quantities of cannabis were discovered in a hidden room. According to the mayor, the hidden room could only have been conceived by the architect and contractor working together. “I, together with the Public Prosecutor, will definitely also address the relevant contractor and architect on this matter. It can not be that in Tilburg business in construction cooperate in organized crime.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 I don't understand why his wife got 13 years.Because she was actively involved in money laundering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 No. I've followed this story from the start. He did nothing wrong. So have I. I'm convinced he has been laundering money. 103 Years is really OTP in my opinion, but I'm pretty sure he'll be back in the Netherlands quite soon. You may be convinced he has but a court of law decides that. The conviction in Thailand was for spending money earned from the legal sale of drugs in the Netherlands. Since you like to point to the OP: "He was jailed for laundering money made from the coffee shops which were licenced in the Netherlands." Pretending he is an innocent victim is in my opinion total BS. And that is my last word on this. We'll have to see how it develops. Stevenl, I know you are a Dutch man, please enlighten some stubborn people on this forum if in The Netherlands LEGAL goods usually are stored in a hidden room, and if so for what reason. http://www.nltimes.nl/2015/05/22/hidden-room-filled-with-weed-forces-coffeeshops-closure/ A business premises on Kooikerstraat in Tilburg from where The Grass Company coffee shops are supplied, has been closed down for 6 months. Mayor Peter Noordanus made this decision on Thursday after large quantities of cannabis were discovered in a hidden room. According to the mayor, the hidden room could only have been conceived by the architect and contractor working together. “I, together with the Public Prosecutor, will definitely also address the relevant contractor and architect on this matter. It can not be that in Tilburg business in construction cooperate in organized crime.” That is a grey area in coffeeshops. But officially not allowed, and also not officially tolerated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 This is my last reply to you, because you prefer to close your eyes to facts, rather than admit you're sprouting nothing but drivel. The founder of this chain, Johan van Laarhoven, is currently imprisoned in Thailand, where he was recently sentenced to 103 years in prison for money laundering and earning money from selling soft drugs in the Netherlands. Let the other posters know which part of the conviction you don't understand, and why there can be a conviction if it isn't illegal. Bye bye Read the link to the OP. That tells you exactly why he was gaoled.''Fifteen months later, Van Laarhoven was convicted for spending money in Thailand that he earned by selling cannabis in the Netherlands. It should be noted that the sale of cannabis in coffee shops is legal in the Netherlands and the Dutch gedoogbeleid policy ensures that authorities turn a blind eye when coffee shop owners buy stock from illegal dealers. The Thai courts verdict, however, ignores that policy, concluding that money earned with the sale of drugs has to be illegal money. Therefore, spending that money is a crime. His assets in Thailand were siezed and his home and vehicles were auctioned off.'' Quite. You seem to be confusing a policy with a law. Authorities may turn a blind eye to an illegal activity but that does not make it legal. You also seem to be unable or unwilling to acknowledge that earnings may be illegal. He is in jail for laundering his illegal earnings in Thailand, simple. No. He's in gaol for spending money he earned legally in the Netherlands. At the time of his arrest, trial and conviction he was not facing charges in the Netherlands. He had an agreement to appear there within 5 days of charges being laid. No such charges were made at the time of his arrest in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 This is my last reply to you, because you prefer to close your eyes to facts, rather than admit you're sprouting nothing but drivel. The founder of this chain, Johan van Laarhoven, is currently imprisoned in Thailand, where he was recently sentenced to 103 years in prison for money laundering and earning money from selling soft drugs in the Netherlands. Let the other posters know which part of the conviction you don't understand, and why there can be a conviction if it isn't illegal. Bye bye Read the link to the OP. That tells you exactly why he was gaoled.''Fifteen months later, Van Laarhoven was convicted for spending money in Thailand that he earned by selling cannabis in the Netherlands. It should be noted that the sale of cannabis in coffee shops is legal in the Netherlands and the Dutch gedoogbeleid policy ensures that authorities turn a blind eye when coffee shop owners buy stock from illegal dealers. The Thai courts verdict, however, ignores that policy, concluding that money earned with the sale of drugs has to be illegal money. Therefore, spending that money is a crime. His assets in Thailand were siezed and his home and vehicles were auctioned off.'' Quite. You seem to be confusing a policy with a law. Authorities may turn a blind eye to an illegal activity but that does not make it legal. You also seem to be unable or unwilling to acknowledge that earnings may be illegal. He is in jail for laundering his illegal earnings in Thailand, simple. No. He's in gaol for spending money he earned legally in the Netherlands. At the time of his arrest, trial and conviction he was not facing charges in the Netherlands. He had an agreement to appear there within 5 days of charges being laid. No such charges were made at the time of his arrest in Thailand. He is in jail for money laundering, your denials notwithstanding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 (edited) no he's not. ''Not long after that, the Dutch prosecutor’s office (Openbaar Ministerie) launched an investigation into the Grass Company for money laundering. During years of investigation, no evidence was found that could convict Van Laarhoven or his business partners in the Netherlands. Van Laarhoven and the Openbaar Ministerie agreed that if they ever again wanted to interrogate him about the case, he would report to the Netherlands within five days of their request. After a request from a Dutch lawyer working for Openbaar Ministerie, the Thai authorities launched their own investigation into Van Laarhoven. Several days later he and his wife were arrested at their Pattaya home. Fifteen months later, Van Laarhoven was convicted for spending money in Thailand that he earned by selling cannabis in the Netherlands. It should be noted that the sale of cannabis in coffee shops is legal in the Netherlands and the Dutch “gedoogbeleid” policy ensures that authorities turn a blind eye when coffee shop owners buy stock from illegal dealers. The Thai court’s verdict, however, ignores that policy, concluding that money earned with the sale of drugs has to be illegal money. Therefore, spending that money is a crime. His assets in Thailand were siezed and his home and vehicles were auctioned off.'' Edited June 13, 2016 by Bluespunk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mangostin Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 I don't understand why his wife got 13 years. Thai numerology Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halloween Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 no he's not. ''Not long after that, the Dutch prosecutor’s office (Openbaar Ministerie) launched an investigation into the Grass Company for money laundering. During years of investigation, no evidence was found that could convict Van Laarhoven or his business partners in the Netherlands. Van Laarhoven and the Openbaar Ministerie agreed that if they ever again wanted to interrogate him about the case, he would report to the Netherlands within five days of their request. After a request from a Dutch lawyer working for Openbaar Ministerie, the Thai authorities launched their own investigation into Van Laarhoven. Several days later he and his wife were arrested at their Pattaya home. Fifteen months later, Van Laarhoven was convicted for spending money in Thailand that he earned by selling cannabis in the Netherlands. It should be noted that the sale of cannabis in coffee shops is legal in the Netherlands and the Dutch “gedoogbeleid” policy ensures that authorities turn a blind eye when coffee shop owners buy stock from illegal dealers. The Thai court’s verdict, however, ignores that policy, concluding that money earned with the sale of drugs has to be illegal money. Therefore, spending that money is a crime. His assets in Thailand were siezed and his home and vehicles were auctioned off.'' "In the Netherlands, the selling of cannabis is "illegal, but not punishable", so the law is not enforced in establishments following these nationwide rules: No advertising No hard drug sales on the premises No sales to anyone under the age of 18 No sale of quantities greater than five grams No public disturbance" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffeeshop_(Netherlands) Bang! One argument shot down for relying on false information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 no he's not. ''Not long after that, the Dutch prosecutor’s office (Openbaar Ministerie) launched an investigation into the Grass Company for money laundering. During years of investigation, no evidence was found that could convict Van Laarhoven or his business partners in the Netherlands. Van Laarhoven and the Openbaar Ministerie agreed that if they ever again wanted to interrogate him about the case, he would report to the Netherlands within five days of their request. After a request from a Dutch lawyer working for Openbaar Ministerie, the Thai authorities launched their own investigation into Van Laarhoven. Several days later he and his wife were arrested at their Pattaya home. Fifteen months later, Van Laarhoven was convicted for spending money in Thailand that he earned by selling cannabis in the Netherlands. It should be noted that the sale of cannabis in coffee shops is legal in the Netherlands and the Dutch “gedoogbeleid” policy ensures that authorities turn a blind eye when coffee shop owners buy stock from illegal dealers. The Thai court’s verdict, however, ignores that policy, concluding that money earned with the sale of drugs has to be illegal money. Therefore, spending that money is a crime. His assets in Thailand were siezed and his home and vehicles were auctioned off.'' "In the Netherlands, the selling of cannabis is "illegal, but not punishable", so the law is not enforced in establishments following these nationwide rules: No advertising No hard drug sales on the premises No sales to anyone under the age of 18 No sale of quantities greater than five grams No public disturbance" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffeeshop_(Netherlands) Bang! One argument shot down for relying on false information. And what charges after years of investigation were laid against him...hmm, after checking the OP I find none. He had done nothing that warranted prosecution. His money therefore was legally earned. Bang! Argument restored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew65 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 His assets in Thailand were siezed and his home and vehicles were auctioned off.'' They can and will do exactly the same thing in the UK, where the proceeds of crime are concerned. Don't you see that the articles I linked to are about developments in the case AFTER that agreement was made, or is it just that you just parrot yourself, because you can't rebut my comments. According to the Telegraaf, the police also raided the building of The Grass Company itself, which is situated on Spoorlaan. These actions happened at the same time that the court in The Hague was handling a lawsuit against the company’s founder Johan van Laarhoven. He has been in custody in Thailand, where he is suspected of money laundering, since last summer. I guess he didn't report within 5 days then And don't you see that at the time of his trial he had an agreement to return to face charges. Instead of being given this opportunity he was arrested and tried and convicted for spending money that at the time was, from a legal standpoint, legitimately earned. ''Fifteen months later, Van Laarhoven was convicted for spending money in Thailand that he earned by selling cannabis in the Netherlands.'' He has committed no crime here and should not be in gaol. This is my last reply to you, because you prefer to close your eyes to facts, rather than admit you're sprouting nothing but drivel. The founder of this chain, Johan van Laarhoven, is currently imprisoned in Thailand, where he was recently sentenced to 103 years in prison for money laundering and earning money from selling soft drugs in the Netherlands. Let the other posters know which part of the conviction you don't understand, and why there can be a conviction if it isn't illegal. Bye bye Read the link to the OP. That tells you exactly why he was gaoled. ''Fifteen months later, Van Laarhoven was convicted for spending money in Thailand that he earned by selling cannabis in the Netherlands. It should be noted that the sale of cannabis in coffee shops is legal in the Netherlands and the Dutch “gedoogbeleid” policy ensures that authorities turn a blind eye when coffee shop owners buy stock from illegal dealers. The Thai court’s verdict, however, ignores that policy, concluding that money earned with the sale of drugs has to be illegal money. Therefore, spending that money is a crime. His assets in Thailand were siezed and his home and vehicles were auctioned off.'' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 What crime? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LomSak27 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Thailand saw a cash cow, arrested him and took his money. Simple and Understandable Explanation Except for the troll team who as usual spins it as this is "law Enforcement" hah. Its theft plain and simple. Not like anyone here doesn't know how they do business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 What don't you understand from the OP 'he was jailed for laundering money'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew65 Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 What crime? Money laundering, also something that is illegal in Thailand but not in Holland. Thailand isn't like ultra-liberal Holland where a "blind-eye" is turned to such things. Also, remember, Thailand has a massive problem with illicit drugs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 What crime? Money laundering, also something that is illegal in Thailand but not in Holland. Thailand isn't like ultra-liberal Holland where a "blind-eye" is turned to such things. Also, remember, Thailand has a massive problem with illicit drugs He was investigated for several years and no evidence of money laundering or any other offences was found. The money he earned at the time of his arrest here was legally earned. He committed no crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 What don't you understand from the OP 'he was jailed for laundering money'. The link from the OP to the source of the story makes clear why he was arrested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 What don't you understand from the OP 'he was jailed for laundering money'.The link from the OP to the source of the story makes clear why he was arrested.Sure mate. He was totally innocent but the whole world is out to get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 (edited) What don't you understand from the OP 'he was jailed for laundering money'.The link from the OP to the source of the story makes clear why he was arrested.Sure mate. He was totally innocent but the whole world is out to get him. He's totally innocent? Never said that. He is again under investigation in the Netherlands so he could well yet be found guilty of something. However he committed no crime in Thailand. He was gaoled for spending money that was deemed legally earned in The Netherlands after several years of investigation. Oh and by the way, I'm not your mate. Edited June 14, 2016 by Bluespunk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvs Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Sending large amounts of money to Thailand without being able to explain where it came from can get you in all kinds of trouble. Maybe the dutch tax department could not find any wrong doing but this money has to come from somewhere? Again,not so much to do with softdrugs but evading tax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 What don't you understand from the OP 'he was jailed for laundering money'.The link from the OP to the source of the story makes clear why he was arrested.Sure mate. He was totally innocent but the whole world is out to get him. He's totally innocent? Never said that. He is again under investigation in the Netherlands so he could well yet be found guilty of something.However he committed no crime in Thailand. He was gaoled for spending money that was deemed legally earned in The Netherlands after several years of investigation. Oh and by the way, I'm not your mate. You clearly don't want to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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