Scottish dad fears ex-soldier son is murder victim after he goes missing during trip to Thailand

[Sawan Chan 7]

Pattaya tattood darkskin bargirl as a wife. Excellent decision ?... Love kills.

Nothing wrong with dark skin but tattoos and Pattaya says it all, how sad. I hope justice prevails.

BRANDING in more permanent (they'd be lining up around the block for laser therapy)

And what will that cost be to extract some truth, the police here do absolutely FA without direct payment.

Should be good to watch following democracy, any wonder there is resistance - they'll not have total power.

Justice here, is just being a bigger smart arse, than the next MOFO; then secondly saving face. Incomprehensible justification for all vicious attacks.

Thainess............. how backward from a civilised race.

I'm sorry, but what? Read this five times, and, defying logic, it only got more incomprehensible. Anyone?

2 times was enough for me to guess he is posting on the wrong thread or not a native speaker who has been in the bar since opening time.

So what about the ex-soldier and the ex-bg. Seems nobody in Thailand seems to really care. I know people who work in embassies and some of the stories I hear makes me understand why they really can't be bothered.

[davethailand]

I lived in Pattaya for 13 years so have seen all sides of the argument.

All I'll say is not all dark skinned Thai girls are money grabbing evil prostitutes and not all well educated lighter skinned Thai women are angels.

Very true, I'm sure. Some dark-skinned girls are somtam sellers. I know one dark-skinned girl from the Polo Club, whose father owns many businesses in Thailand, including Tipco. She doesn't have a tattoo though(that I have seen) or work in Pattaya or have a "dung maeb"

Ask your wife what that means. It's to do with the nose!

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I know what you mean.

The Issan nose thing.

Luckily my wife doesn't have one neither is she from Issan.

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[dunroaming]

In defence of older farands with young Thai wives. Of course it is understandable, the alternatives look far more depressing if you are over fifty, single and looking for someone to shack up with. The problem is some really do believe it is true love rather than true lust. The Thai girl will want to get married because that puts her on much firmer ground financially and elevates her status among the Thai community. It doesn't have to be a bargirl although they are obviously easier to get.

I think it is really unfair to get the girl/woman to leave Thailand and move to your home country. First of all you will be ridiculed by people who will assume that your wife came from either a bar or a website. She will find it hard to be accepted as your wife because people will think that she had no choice in the matter or is a gold digging hooker. She will find it hard to integrate and seek out other Thais in the vicinity, again making it harder to make friends with the local people.

It works for some but it does put a strain on the relationship that wouldn't be there if you were still in Thailand where her family and friends are. Obviously this not always the case. We came to live in the UK for a couple of reasons. Firstly and most importantly, our son had reached an age where he needed a proper education and the international schools were very expensive and of a pretty poor standard. Secondly it seemed to us that Thailand was deteriorating as a place to raise a child. I enjoyed Thailand while I was there and had a great time. My wife had mixed feelings about leaving her family but it was her decision as well as mine to leave. She did integrate well, mainly due to school activities and now doesn't want to return to Thailand to live. She does go at least once a year, usually for a month at a time to stay with her family. I think this is really important for her and next year some of her family are coming to stay with us for a month.

Everyone is different with different needs and different priorities. None is wrong, just horses for courses. I imagine for our Scottish friend his priority has been his daughter, overriding everything else..... just how it should be

[OMGImInPattaya]

Why the prominence of the "ex-soldier" meme...is the dad trying imply he's some kind of tough guy or something? I highly doubt he was often visiting Pattaya to see his daughter.

And yourself? It's still the temples is it?

Let's stick to the topic...a "missing" Scotch "ex-soldier," and not other forum members.

[mpyre]

Yup there's another one for sure.... R.I.P where ever you are....11yrs here for me now and I hate this country, my plans to return home are coming soon....it's a bitter and brutal country once you look deeper into the people who live here.....bye bye Lieland

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out...

[Straight8]

facts: less then 60 days and stuff in hotel

lets see could it be a beach break thats taking longer then usual, or needy worried relatives?

i go for months without reporting in, sometimes i leave my hotel and passport,

im still very much alive

With modern technology, if you want to be contacted it is so easy these days.

It's only normal for his parents and friends to worry, especially after his remarks on his facebook page.

I'd say they would know the situation much deeper, and the need to worry is warranted.

Something not right here for this poor chap!

[dunroaming]

Scotch is a drink. The man is Scottish or a Scot. Shame you consider yourself to have "survived" in Thailand for 15 years. I really enjoyed my life there, never considered it surviving!

[Mook23]

So what about the ex-soldier and the ex-bg. Seems nobody in Thailand seems to really care. I know people who work in embassies and some of the stories I hear makes me understand why they really can't be bothered.

Same here, guy i know runs a Thai consulate... Some of the stories he told me are more marginal than those of my ladyfriend who works in emergency in big hospital (people arriving with carrots in the wrong places and stuff like that 555) ..................

[Mook23]

Yup there's another one for sure.... R.I.P where ever you are....11yrs here for me now and I hate this country, my plans to return home are coming soon....it's a bitter and brutal country once you look deeper into the people who live here.....bye bye Lieland

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out...

"Him silliout maak maak..."

[Aceman80]

Nice to see how caring peole here in tv are.

13 pages and at least 10 of them are just pure crap.

Stay in topic you heartless morons.

[sambum]

You are right in a way but what makes this news is that he didn't may like millions of other people, he married a Pattaya woman,with tattoos.We all know what that means although many who also have done it are in denial.

I hope your friend turns up alive.

She had tattoo's, so please expand your childish and stupid statement of "that means"-- what does it mean exactly?

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[cyberfarang]

Here we go again.

Sadly a lot of Farlangs in Thailand believe they can tame the wild beast, they have the qualities that these women are looking for and these girls will completely discard their unsavory lifestyles and become loyal to them, mind, body and soul. In reality that`s just a pipe dream and the feelings between the couple are not going to be mutual. This is why, where angels tread trouble seems to follow.

There are plenty of nice decent Thai girls out there, but old habits and lifestyles die hard meaning, we can`t expect others to change and completely come over to our worlds or even make compromises, it`s not going to happen. The problem is too many don`t want or can`t read the writing on the wall or see the signs, they are easily charmed by a pretty face, a smile and words they like to hear, then within an instant they are hooked. It`s a game that can have deadly consequences for the inexperienced. My thoughts on this is beware, make sure the water is safe before diving in.

[phantomfiddler]

With a delay of more than a month before ringing the bell, I fear he's a goner! Most likely the fight was about his daughter who most certainly has been parked with grandma or some "uncle" somewhere in Issaan until she's old enough to bcome a valuable "asset". The photo, the eyes and the staged "smile" of Nan tell me more than I even want to know...

His wife posted a few weeks back on FB asking whether friends etc had seen him.

Known them both 10+ years.

Interesting. I recall you saying you married a woman in Pattaya with tattoos.

Was he giving the woman money regularly?

Was he planning to take the daughter out of Pattaya, like any good father would?

Do you think the ex wife is capable of murder?

Had she found another client yet?

OK, the Scots guy made a bad decision in choosing a wife. That is not the issue here. Where is he and what happened is important.

Did the wife do it?

Many men come here and marry prostitutes, get over it it is a fact. I'd estimate that 2% end up having happy, long, loving relationships. So, it's a long shot gamble that seemingly many are willing to take when they see a beautiful younger woman. I'd say another 10% survive and live a pretty sad, lonely life in rural Isarn and eventually realize they made a mistake but have bought the house and car, are getting their old-age pension and too scared to make a new start - their ego is hurt and end up bitter posters, hating Thailand an making generalized assumptions about all Thai people.

Many marry normal Thai women, and some, especially the Pattata dwellers, can't understand this.

I would say that 2% is pretty close on the money, and even then only if the punter is lucky enough to encounter the bargirl within the first week of her employment.

[piccoshady]

stop dating hookers you morons...how stupid can one be? i mean i love hookers... but not in a relationship

[sambum]

She had tattoo's, so please expand your childish and stupid statement of "that means"-- what does it mean exactly?

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[JohnDodd]

A sorry tale, especially if the Scottish bloke is not found alive. (unlikely) But after 6 pages of U.S./Brit./ pi$$ing competition, over tattoos, bar girls and other Thai trivia and whose got the best wife, car, house, job, old young, Saturday in the LOS and 375 keyboard philosophers are talking rubbish.

[davethailand]

A sorry tale, especially if the Scottish bloke is not found alive. (unlikely) But after 6 pages of U.S./Brit./ pi$$ing competition, over tattoos, bar girls and other Thai trivia and whose got the best wife, car, house, job, old young, Saturday in the LOS and 375 keyboard philosophers are talking rubbish.

Spot on.

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[300sd]

Yup there's another one for sure.... R.I.P where ever you are....11yrs here for me now and I hate this country, my plans to return home are coming soon....it's a bitter and brutal country once you look deeper into the people who live here.....bye bye Lieland

I'm sorry for the young man, and agree with abitmiffed. It does not matter how old you are, you can keep your head in the sand and be happy, and not see what is going on in this country...everyone has a choice. I am also sick of what goes on here. It has effected me personally but at the moment I am choosing to remain here. If one doesn't understand that this is a "bitter and brutal country" then I guess that says it all.

[MissAndry]

you never know what a thai is thinking behind their smile.

'I would like some of your rich foreigner money'

Just a guess!

Back at the OP, best to avoid your former wives, they're usually trouble.

This is advice coming from someone's former wife.

Good looking guy too.

[cyberfarang]

wonder of the guy he got in a fight with was his girls new man. bar girls are amazing at manipulating their customers. you never know what a thai is thinking behind their smile. i know a couple guys who thought they had great relationships who got dumped and told their girl always hated them. i have 2 kids with a thai girl and we get along ok. i pay her a monthly salary. i am worth more to her alive so hopefully it will stay that way.

I am going to tell you a true story. Several years ago I was a regular customer at a small Chiang Mai massage parlour. One of the staff was a particular beautiful girl and I always requested her for my massage. After several visits she began giving me services over and above her normal duty and I wasn`t complaining. Then out of the blue she said; OK, I`

[fullcave]

What's a young, good looking, healthy guy doing married to a brass?

I know that's a bit blunt, so apologies to any who're offended.

You are showing your age.

That's what these guys like, the ones that look like monkies, button nose, dark skin, make-up caked on, skimpy clothing, tramp stamps and the quality conversation that goes with the Bar English 101 course they do.

He was living the dream !

I totally agree and my skin crawls when I see one. You forgot High cheek bones

You forgot the big tattoo across the arse! Gotta have one of those to qualify.

[Sooo Upto Me]

Yup there's another one for sure.... R.I.P where ever you are....11yrs here for me now and I hate this country, my plans to return home are coming soon....it's a bitter and brutal country once you look deeper into the people who live here.....bye bye Lieland

Yep, a good few expats are in the "bitter" category.

Why bitter? Perhaps it falls into realistic, or honest? Every place has its own issues. Sometimes we assume that one place is perfect. I'd rather have a serious illness in London than Udon. I'd rather a traffic ticket in Marseille than in Patong, I'd rather a court case in Amsterdam than Bangkok, I'd rather hire electricians in Brisbane than in Chiang Mai. Know what else? I'd be more comfortable meeting a bird in a pub in Bristol than I would in Pattaya. I don't want to discover that Big Ethel from Pattaya is called big because she is really a he and has a rather large penis.

Why u here then?

[Nearlynam]

What's a young, good looking, healthy guy doing married to a brass?

I know that's a bit blunt, so apologies to any who're offended.

You are showing your age.

That's what these guys like, the ones that look like monkies, button nose, dark skin, make-up caked on, skimpy clothing, tramp stamps and the quality conversation that goes with the Bar English 101 course they do.

He was living the dream !

'Living the dream' does include marriage! It means having any girl you want any night of the week and maybe one or two during the day. 'Living the dream' excludes marriage. Some people are emotionally incontinent and relate good sex to love and furthermore relate love to marriage. But that is foolishness and not to be confused with 'living the dream' here in Pattaya or elsewhere in Thailand.

Thanks for the laugh. Ever thought you might be a sex addict?

[cyberfarang]

wonder of the guy he got in a fight with was his girls new man. bar girls are amazing at manipulating their customers. you never know what a thai is thinking behind their smile. i know a couple guys who thought they had great relationships who got dumped and told their girl always hated them. i have 2 kids with a thai girl and we get along ok. i pay her a monthly salary. i am worth more to her alive so hopefully it will stay that way.

I am going to tell you a true story. Several years ago I was a regular customer at a small Chiang Mai massage parlour. One of the staff was a particular beautiful girl, a stunner in my eyes probably in her mid 20s, spoke fluent English and I always requested her for my massage. After several visits she began giving me services over and above her call of duty and I wasn`t complaining. Then out of the blue she said; OK, I`m yours I`ll be your girlfriend from now on. Then within an instant she asked me to take her shopping for clothes and jewellery at the Airport Plaza, in the days before the other shopping malls were open. I`m no mug but playing her along I said OK. She said, lets go right now and I replied, no, we`ll go tomorrow actually having no intentions of doing so because all I wanted after this happened was out of there.

Once finished she escorted me outside the building holding my arm very luvvy dubby. Standing there was a Farlang man in is 40s with red hair. He was giving me the most dagger of stares, if looks could kill I would have been dead on the spot. I realised that she must have given that man the same spiel only he believed it and considered me as someone imposing between him and the new found love of his life. Being aware I could be placing myself into a dangerous situation I never returned to that parlour. The massage parlour is still there but now staffed with much older women and that girl has long gone, never seen her since nor want to.

A cautionary tale. Never let that dangly thing below the waist override the grey matter in-between the ears.

[Chicog]

What's a young, good looking, healthy guy doing married to a brass?

I know that's a bit blunt, so apologies to any who're offended.

You are showing your age.

That's what these guys like, the ones that look like monkies, button nose, dark skin, make-up caked on, skimpy clothing, tramp stamps and the quality conversation that goes with the Bar English 101 course they do.

He was living the dream !

I totally agree and my skin crawls when I see one. You forgot High cheek bones

You forgot the big tattoo across the arse! Gotta have one of those to qualify.

"Tramp Stamps".....

[sambum]

wonder of the guy he got in a fight with was his girls new man. bar girls are amazing at manipulating their customers. you never know what a thai is thinking behind their smile. i know a couple guys who thought they had great relationships who got dumped and told their girl always hated them. i have 2 kids with a thai girl and we get along ok. i pay her a monthly salary. i am worth more to her alive so hopefully it will stay that way.

I am going to tell you a true story. Several years ago I was a regular customer at a small Chiang Mai massage parlour. One of the staff was a particular beautiful girl and I always requested her for my massage. After several visits she began giving me services over and above her normal duty and I wasn`t complaining. Then out of the blue she said; OK, I`

Thank goodness you completed the story in a later post - I was getting quite excited!

[nakhonandy]

Common sense and People skills learned me. Ps. I'm offended u think I'm Britain. 555. I dont watch football, I'm not trashy, I'm capable of speaking foreign languages... 555

Steady on chaps, methinks we have a TEFL'er among us.

Now im even more offended. 555. A teacher. Moi?

I think based on the English he may have been taking the p**s.

Incidentally I am English, am not trashy and speak several languages. What has that to do with this post?

A man is missing!

So much drivel on this post.

[sungod]

Nice to see how caring peole here in tv are.

13 pages and at least 10 of them are just pure crap.

Stay in topic you heartless morons.

I completely agree, I know I will feel the wrath of the moderators on this with their rules, but it really needs to be said.

How can they allow this drivel and conjecture to go ahead, the man's family and friends are reading this. If there is ever a case for moderation then keep this on topic, respectful and above all useful as a resource.

[cyberfarang]

wonder of the guy he got in a fight with was his girls new man. bar girls are amazing at manipulating their customers. you never know what a thai is thinking behind their smile. i know a couple guys who thought they had great relationships who got dumped and told their girl always hated them. i have 2 kids with a thai girl and we get along ok. i pay her a monthly salary. i am worth more to her alive so hopefully it will stay that way.

I am going to tell you a true story. Several years ago I was a regular customer at a small Chiang Mai massage parlour. One of the staff was a particular beautiful girl and I always requested her for my massage. After several visits she began giving me services over and above her normal duty and I wasn`t complaining. Then out of the blue she said; OK, I`

Thank goodness you completed the story in a later post - I was getting quite excited!

Sorry, I`m been having slow internet problems, don`t know happened there, must have clicked twice or something. But it did build up the suspense

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[theguyfromanotherforum]

wonder of the guy he got in a fight with was his girls new man. bar girls are amazing at manipulating their customers. you never know what a thai is thinking behind their smile. i know a couple guys who thought they had great relationships who got dumped and told their girl always hated them. i have 2 kids with a thai girl and we get along ok. i pay her a monthly salary. i am worth more to her alive so hopefully it will stay that way.

What kind of psychotic image does this give to your kids?

That their mum needs to be paid to be a mum and a wife?

That there are the product of business deal?

Good luck with years of therapy to fix that !

about half of all marriages in the west now end up in divorce. where children are involved the father normally ends up making child support payments. will all of these children grow up needing therapy?

seems i have to call it a housing allowance to keep all the moaners happy. my kids are great, happy and active. i am lucky and have the resources to give them a great up bringing and their mum is 100% devoted to them. doubt there will be anything to fix in the future but i guess you never know. really getting annoyed with having to defend myself over nothing to do with the topic of this article.

about half of all marriages in the west now end up in divorce. where children are involved the father ends up making child support payments. will all of these childer grow up needing therapy

Another clueless who likes to pull up Westerns statistics.

At least the West keeps the statistics.