Consent from Thai mother for Furong father to travel abroad with dual citizen minor child

[Guest StephenB]

Anybody know the name of the paper the wife is supposed to get at the Amphur, so the Father can travel abroad with their kid (without Thai mother).

I am talking about your flesh and blood kid with your legal wife. Anything extra to be aware of?

All my kids have me as father on Thai Birth Certificate, all have Thai passports and Foreign ones. I read on here you still need some permission slip from the mother. Does that form have a special name or form number at the Amphur?

Does departure Immigration in Thailand ever ask to see the child's Thai birth certificate or ID card? I just don't want to have any snafu's at the airport of some goofy paper or whatever.

[Humble1]

Not sure of the paper , however when my wife ( Thai ) and me ( English ) left Thailand for the 1st time to go to the uk with our son ( British passport only ) who was born in Thailand and had never left before , we were pulled by immigration who wanted to see our marriage certificate and his birth certificate to supposedly prove that he was our child , good job we had them to hand or who knows what might have happened , after 2 mins of conversation in Thai with her , they let us through , so I would tick all the boxes and cross the Ts to avoid upsets , hope this helps

[Guest StephenB]

Not sure of the paper , however when my wife ( Thai ) and me ( English ) left Thailand for the 1st time to go to the uk with our son ( British passport only ) who was born in Thailand and had never left before , we were pulled by immigration who wanted to see our marriage certificate and his birth certificate to supposedly prove that he was our child , good job we had them to hand or who knows what might have happened , after 2 mins of conversation in Thai with her , they let us through , so I would tick all the boxes and cross the Ts to avoid upsets , hope this helps

Thanks Humble, that settles that, I better just bring it all like I do for my extension stuff. (sigh)

[KhunBENQ]

Similar questions appear in the "Family and Children" forum.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/forum/96-family-and-children/

Move?

[Sheryl]

This has been discussed many times in the Family and children forum so I am moving it there, you may also do a search there.

From what others have reported, immigration will often insist oin a letter from the mother authorizing you to take the child out of the country - birth and marriage certificates might not be enough.

[Guest StephenB]

Ahh all the answers are in the family section,

Reading similar posts-

Looks like:

Go to local Amphur for a paper: Bai rapp rong bott,

Kor Ror 13 for sole custody

Bring documents when traveling:

Thai Birth Certificate of child

Thai/Foreign Passport of child

-Or-

Kor Ror 11 (shared custody)

Documents need when traveling:

Consent letter from his Thai Mom in her handwriting

Signed copy of mothers ID card from mother

Thai Marriage certificate

Thai Birth Certificate

Thai/Foreign Passport of child

I will tell the wife I will want Kor Ror 13, less papers is always better.

However this post seems typical. I will find out when I go later this week. If that post is indeed accurate, probably best to make kor ror 13 for all my kids, and be done with it.

Seems like a full time job running around with copies of papers. sigh

[Guest StephenB]

Well the info on other similar topics here must be meant for those lucky step kids that have foreigner adopting them.. Today at the Amphur they would not make kor ror 11-and there is no #13 (could not be found after the official even made some phone calls) and Kor Ror 11 is for a kid that is not your own. I managed to make the 'permission from mother to travel outside' paper at Amphur. Cost me 50 baht, took 20 minutes and the official new what to do.

It is a paper with some stamps on top of glued on photos of child, mother and yourself. Similar to the kind that you could get to guarantee your address from immigration. Going there today armed with the info above caused a lot of confusion and wasted everyones time at the Amphur. 1+ hours :-(

Best to ignore some things.

They wanted some copies of Thai ID card wife, child's ID card, copy of my photopage of passport, copy of housebook. (3) 4x6cm photos of (1) child (1) mother (1) father-->me Nothing crazy.

Either it is not clear as far as other posts on ThaiVisa here (involving grandparents, step children, girlfriend, etc), or perhaps the rules keep changing or are different depending where your at.

[brewsterbudgen]

Not sure of the paper , however when my wife ( Thai ) and me ( English ) left Thailand for the 1st time to go to the uk with our son ( British passport only ) who was born in Thailand and had never left before , we were pulled by immigration who wanted to see our marriage certificate and his birth certificate to supposedly prove that he was our child , good job we had them to hand or who knows what might have happened , after 2 mins of conversation in Thai with her , they let us through , so I would tick all the boxes and cross the Ts to avoid upsets , hope this helps

I needed to show my son's Thai birth certificate in order to fly to the UK, but we were never asked for a marriage certificate. Good job, as we are not married!

[FritsSikkink]

What is a furong?

[Naam]

What is a furong?

and addition to my collection of thaivisa "Farang" spellings.

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[MikeyIdea]

Well the info on other similar topics here must be meant for those lucky step kids that have foreigner adopting them.. Today at the Amphur they would not make kor ror 11-and there is no #13 (could not be found after the official even made some phone calls) and Kor Ror 11 is for a kid that is not your own. I managed to make the 'permission from mother to travel outside' paper at Amphur. Cost me 50 baht, took 20 minutes and the official new what to do.

It is a paper with some stamps on top of glued on photos of child, mother and yourself. Similar to the kind that you could get to guarantee your address from immigration. Going there today armed with the info above caused a lot of confusion and wasted everyones time at the Amphur. 1+ hours :-(

Best to ignore some things.

They wanted some copies of Thai ID card wife, child's ID card, copy of my photopage of passport, copy of housebook. (3) 4x6cm photos of (1) child (1) mother (1) father-->me Nothing crazy.

Either it is not clear as far as other posts on ThaiVisa here (involving grandparents, step children, girlfriend, etc), or perhaps the rules keep changing or are different depending where your at.

"Kor Ror 11 is for a kid that is not your own"

Not correct. Please go to http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/879076-father-leaving-with-kids/page-4#entry10674181, I have scanned and attached the header of a standard Thai "Bai Rapp Rong Bott", that is the standard certificate where you are legally certified as father by law - of your own child obviously. It clearly says คร11 which is spelled out Kor Ror 11

There are 2 types of คร11: 1) the old manual one 2) The newer one registered in the computer. To get a copy of the old one (not registered in the Amphurs computer), you have to go to the amphur where the certification was done. You can go to any Amphur to get a printout of the one registered in the Amphurs computer. The catch is that คร11 can only be given to a legal father or mother and if I am not mistaken, a registered lawyer so you will have to prove that you are legal father to get one.

There is no way that a supervisor at the amphur does not know what a คร11 is, it is a common document

The discussion about คร11 doesn't really belong in this thread because it does not give a parent the right to bring a child out of Thailand, it only proves legal status of father

Edited July 7, 2016 by MikeyIdea

[Jay2013]

I was pulled at immigration when i travelled with my son. I had to show his birth certificate plus a typed letter of consent from my sons mothers stating he can travel with me which she signed at the ampur and got stamped. The stamped letter also had a scan of her id card under it

Edited July 7, 2016 by Jay2013

[MikeyIdea]

Someone wrote that Kor Ror 13 does not exist. It does, it can be given to mothers with sole custody OR fathers only if they have sole custody by court decision and that court order has been entered into the Amphurs computer

- a hand written legally witnessed sole custody agreement is not accepted at the amphur

Edited July 7, 2016 by MikeyIdea

[chopin2]

This has been discussed many times in the Family and children forum so I am moving it there, you may also do a search there.

From what others have reported, immigration will often insist oin a letter from the mother authorizing you to take the child out of the country - birth and marriage certificates might not be enough.

Does the mothers consent letter have to be stamped by the Ampoe or is it enough if it is signed by the mother?

Does someone have a template of a consent letter in thai?

[Johnniey]

I got the form but didn't need it and spoke to the immigration officers and they said as long as the surnames are the same, no problem. This was 3 months ago.

 

If you are worried, let the kid go through by themselves first.

[DLang]

On 8/2/2016 at 11:51 PM, Johnniey said:

If you are worried, let the kid go through by themselves first.

Not that advisable when she's 4 yrs old.

 

Good info in this thread. Thanks. 

[claffey]

I believe that, if you have the same surname as your wife, all you need is your marriage cert, copy of her Thai ID card and a signed letter from her. Don't forget to let us know what happened! Good luck...

 

[Guest StephenB]

On 6/20/2017 at 3:55 AM, claffey said:

I believe that, if you have the same surname as your wife, all you need is your marriage cert, copy of her Thai ID card and a signed letter from her. Don't forget to let us know what happened! Good luck...

 

If that was for me.. yes I have the same surname.

Immigration (exit) did not ask for any additional papers from (I had them on hand just in case) me.

Entering Thailand with my oldest was alright although I only have about 5 stamps in my renewed passport, and the officer could not find my re-entry permit stamp among them. That gave me a scare. The second officer sitting in next booth over could, That officer had me go through one at a time, and he asked some questions in Thai to my oldest before letting him enter.

No problem for the most part.

[Preacher]

If it is the first time the child goes abroad, a copy of the birth certificate is often advised by immigration.