Fears of contagion in Europe after UK Brexit vote

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Fears of contagion in Europe after UK Brexit vote



LONDON: -- Westminster in London is set to take back control – a phrase which was a rallying cry of the campaign to leave the European Union.

What is seen as a shock decision by the voters has triggered fears that Europe could be enveloped by a “tsunami” of referendums across the continent as anti-EU parties look to capitalise on the vote in the UK. One anti EU campaigner smells contagion in the air.

“An opinion poll in the Netherlands said the majority there now want to leave so we may well be close perhaps to Nexit. And similarly in Denmark. And I am told the same may apply to Sweden and perhaps to Austria and perhaps even to Italy too. The EU is failing, the EU is dying,” opined Nigel Farage.

Although the Netherlands is a founder EU member and currently holds the EU presidency a recent poll showed 48 percent would vote to leave.

Geert Wilders, head of the Party for Freedom – the PVV – will campaign for a referendum in the country’s elections next year.

“I believe that the offspring will be that other countries like my own country, the Netherlands, where the majority of the people want the ‘Nexit’ or at least a referendum about a possible ‘Nexit’ as well, that will come as well. I’m trying to achieve the same in the Netherlands next year,” he said.

Austria’s far-Right Freedom Party only just missed out on winning the presidency earlier this year but is favourite to take power in the Austrian elections in 2018.

Forty percent in a recent poll in that country backed the idea of a referendum with the slim majority of 53 percent saying they would vote to stay.

Marine Le Pen the leader of France’s far-Right Front National said in a tweet minutes after the result of the UK vote, “Victory for Freedom”. She has ambitions to run for the French presidency next year.

“I promise to lead my country France on the path to freedom, which is also the only one to greatness. Long live the free nations, long live the UK and long live France,” she said.

With such anti-EU sentiment seeming to gain traction in other countries one analyst believes European governments must make things difficult for the UK.

“A lot will depend on what happens to the UK. You don’t want to make it look too attractive in the outside world. I think the Boris Johnson approach that “I’m pro cake and pro eating it” is just not going to fly, European leaders are going to say – well you have a choice, it’s a binary choice, and that’s that,” explained Ian Bond, Director of Foreign Policy, Centre for European Reform.

In Denmark which has in the past voted against the EU in three referendums including one on whether to join the Euro, there have been calls for an in/out ballot.

But Danish Prime Minister Lars Lokke Rasmussen has ruled out any such vote.

There were muted calls for a referendum in Sweden. But the mainstream political parties there are still in favour of remaining part of the bloc.

-- (c) Copyright Euronews 2016-06-29

[bkkcanuck8]

Austria’s far-Right Freedom Party only just missed out on winning the presidency earlier this year but is favourite to take power in the Austrian elections in 2018.

Well, that would mess up Austria's little side business.... for a mere (approximately) $4 million dollars you can buy yourself EU citizenship and passport....

[LostTourist]

The only contagion in Europe is the UK,it has been called the temper tantrum foot stamping virus, seems to contained to spoiled children so far.

Hopefully someone finds a strong enough anti virus to keep it contained to the child care facility.

[BuaBS]

The sooner the EU breaks up , the better . Thank you to the Brits for lighting the fuse.

[Caps]

The only contagion in Europe is the UK,it has been called the temper tantrum foot stamping virus, seems to contained to spoiled children so far.

Hopefully someone finds a strong enough anti virus to keep it contained to the child care facility.

Why that then?

Would it be to do with standing up for yourselves and not being sent home with a just pumped the neighbours cat look on your face like other European countries do. Or may be its because we don't like humping Junckers leg with our lounge out.

[SgtRock]

The threat of a domino effect is very real.

To give, but one example of how deluded and blinded by denial the EU is.

Senior EU diplomats are also perplexed about how the prime minister managed to turn what they saw as a very generous deal – negotiated in February – into a catastrophic defeat that has plunged Britain into crisis. EU insiders thought the UK had got an exceptional offer, and were left bitter and disappointed when Cameron didn’t use it in the referendum campaign.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/28/cameron-eu-leaders-uk-control-immigration

Cameron asked for next nothing and got even less in return in February which is why he could not use it in his referendum campaign.

This is the mindset of the retards that every taxpayer shells out to keep in the lap of luxury.

[happy Joe]

In France advocates of leave were majority 51 ... 52% , as in the UK.

Responsible extreme-right Marine Le Pen has tried to recover the Brexit vote to apply in France.

Wasted. Given the catastrophic consequences in Britain, they are only about 30% now, according to recent surveys.

In Holland and Scandinavia the movement is identical.

So the contagion will take place well, but in the remain direction.

[little mary sunshine]

EU will/ is screwing The UK to the wall

To set an example for the other 27

To remain members....The worse is

Yet to come for The UK!!!

[dick dasterdly]

In France advocates of leave were majority 51 ... 52% , as in the UK.

Responsible extreme-right Marine Le Pen has tried to recover the Brexit vote to apply in France.

Wasted. Given the catastrophic consequences in Britain, they are only about 30% now, according to recent surveys.

In Holland and Scandinavia the movement is identical.

So the contagion will take place well, but in the remain direction.

Those countries will be happy to hold their own referendums then - knowing that the vast majority now support 'remain'? It will stop a lot of arguing within those countries if 70% vote to remain.

[DoctorG]

I have yet to see any comment on the possibility of the the UK just saying "to hell with article 50, we are just out now. What are you going to do about it?"

What would the real consequences be?

[SgtRock]

I have yet to see any comment on the possibility of the the UK just saying "to hell with article 50, we are just out now. What are you going to do about it?"

What would the real consequences be?

I have no idea what the consequences would be and neither would I like to find out.

There is a laid down procedure for leaving the EU and I would like to think that both parties would adhere to that procedure.

[Mr Moo]

The vote was cast and Leave won the day. The British people (majority) have spoken. Get over it and move on.

There will be plenty of seats available in Brussels for the whingers on this forum to occupy in the near future should they wish to turn professional.

[Kwasaki]

I have yet to see any comment on the possibility of the the UK just saying "to hell with article 50, we are just out now. What are you going to do about it?"

What would the real consequences be?

I think negotiating out will better and quicker, then we will be able to turn the channel tunnel into a super gun.

[bkkcanuck8]

I have yet to see any comment on the possibility of the the UK just saying "to hell with article 50, we are just out now. What are you going to do about it?"

What would the real consequences be?

That is in no-ones interest - unless of course you think UK getting nasty -- and we all know Karma can be a bitch....

How about a EU court case, a finding of fault, and UK assets in the EU being potentially frozen? The UK responding in kind and an all out trade war ensues... leading to massive economic damage to both the EU and the UK.

Since the UK does not want to actually execute article 50 because they only seem to want out with a special deal.... It would be the height of stupidity to start a pissing match that is in no ones interest.

[SgtRock]

I have yet to see any comment on the possibility of the the UK just saying "to hell with article 50, we are just out now. What are you going to do about it?"

What would the real consequences be?

I have no idea what the consequences would be and neither would I like to find out.

There is a laid down procedure for leaving the EU and I would like to think that both parties would adhere to that procedure.

That is in no-ones interest - unless of course you think UK getting nasty -- and we all know Karma can be a bitch....

How about a EU court case, a finding of fault, and UK assets in the EU being potentially frozen? The UK responding in kind and an all out trade war ensues... leading to massive economic damage to both the EU and the UK.

Since the UK does not want to actually execute article 50 because they only seem to want out with a special deal.... It would be the height of stupidity to start a pissing match that is in no ones interest.

You want to rethink and / or rewrite that post as it bears no resemblance to what I posted.

[bkkcanuck8]

^ I was being lazy, it is a continuation of a line of though and a reply to the person you replied to.

[MissAndry]

I don't see any need for a deal with Europe.

Just because they are near to the UK, it doesn't matter.

Close our borders to them after chucking their nationals all out.

Don't buy from them, don't sell to them, just tell them to do one, tomorrow, if not sooner.

[mommysboy]

In France advocates of leave were majority 51 ... 52% , as in the UK.

Responsible extreme-right Marine Le Pen has tried to recover the Brexit vote to apply in France.

Wasted. Given the catastrophic consequences in Britain, they are only about 30% now, according to recent surveys.

In Holland and Scandinavia the movement is identical.

So the contagion will take place well, but in the remain direction.

Those countries will be happy to hold their own referendums then - knowing that the vast majority now support 'remain'? It will stop a lot of arguing within those countries if 70% vote to remain.

Yes that's right, if remain is in such a commanding position, then it makes sense to hold a referendum now.

[Familyonthemove]

I used to work in Brussels for a large UK business - although I'm still undecided if Brexit is good or not.

But just imagine you are a non-elected bureaucrat sitting in your (very) posh office in Brussels and your job depends on all EU members paying your wages.

There's no way you will make the UK's exit smooth or successful.

[Baerboxer]

I used to work in Brussels for a large UK business - although I'm still undecided if Brexit is good or not.

But just imagine you are a non-elected bureaucrat sitting in your (very) posh office in Brussels and your job depends on all EU members paying your wages.

There's no way you will make the UK's exit smooth or successful.

No the will do exactly as they are instructed to.

Germany is and will call the shots. And Angela Merkel will have the difficult job of looking after German interests whilst seeming to protect EU interests and appear tough but fair and unemotional. Her electorate expect, and demand, that.

The fact 6 countries met to determine the EU response for all 27 members shows how little some countries opinions are considered. Spain, Eire, Denmark, Finland, Poland, Baltic States - do as your told. Of the 6 can anyone imagine the others going against Germany apart from the Dutch who always refreshingly speak their mind? France is in poor economic shape with huge social issues and spiraling industrial relations issues, Italy is close to economic meltdown, Luxembourg is a tax haven and nothing else, whilst Belgium may well soon split into two. Without German money they'd all be up shit creek without a paddle. And he who pays the piper calls the tune!

Mr Juncke has also changed his tone slightly. From go quickly to let us no your intentions quickly. A reported asked him if he had said goodbye to Cameron. He jumped down the reporter's throat saying why should he. He wants to see Cameron a lot in the future describing him as a friend and not an enemy of Europe.

There is a lot more to be played out.

[ilostmypassword]

I don't see any need for a deal with Europe.

Just because they are near to the UK, it doesn't matter.

Close our borders to them after chucking their nationals all out.

Don't buy from them, don't sell to them, just tell them to do one, tomorrow, if not sooner.

Great idea. Higher shipping costs. Less vendors to choose from so higher costs. All resulting in a weaker pound and even higher costs. Brilliant plan. I'm beginning to suspect that you were one of the architects of the Brexit plan. Or is that non-plan?

[arjunadawn]

The only contagion in Europe is the UK,it has been called the temper tantrum foot stamping virus, seems to contained to spoiled children so far.

Hopefully someone finds a strong enough anti virus to keep it contained to the child care facility.

Despots are as despots does...

The above post is perfect evidence of what UK must flee- that demand for autonomy is a virus- and despots the anti-virus. Only in UpsideDownia World could such ignorance be peddled as reason.

Indeed, the 'anti-virus' that is EU must...it must show its real virulence soon otherwise the entire dream of a Fourth Reich will be abused. So, BREXIT will prove wise sooner, rather than later. Watch Merkel Juncker and their commie band of thieves.

[ilostmypassword]

The only contagion in Europe is the UK,it has been called the temper tantrum foot stamping virus, seems to contained to spoiled children so far.

Hopefully someone finds a strong enough anti virus to keep it contained to the child care facility.

Despots are as despots does...

The above post is perfect evidence of what UK must flee- that demand for autonomy is a virus- and despots the anti-virus. Only in UpsideDownia World could such ignorance be peddled as reason.

Indeed, the 'anti-virus' that is EU must...it must show its real virulence soon otherwise the entire dream of a Fourth Reich will be abused. So, BREXIT will prove wise sooner, rather than later. Watch Merkel Juncker and their commie band of thieves.

Watch Merkel Juncker and their commie band of thieves.

Yes, one of the most advanced industrial nations in the world is in reality communist. Score one for Karl Marx.

[neverdie]

EU will/ is screwing The UK to the wall

To set an example for the other 27

To remain members....The worse is

Yet to come for The UK!!!

You mean the European Union is going to act like the old Soviet Union?

.......member countries should sure be sure to watch that.

[neverdie]

I don't see any need for a deal with Europe.

Just because they are near to the UK, it doesn't matter.

Close our borders to them after chucking their nationals all out.

Don't buy from them, don't sell to them, just tell them to do one, tomorrow, if not sooner.

Great idea. Higher shipping costs. Less vendors to choose from so higher costs. All resulting in a weaker pound and even higher costs. Brilliant plan. I'm beginning to suspect that you were one of the architects of the Brexit plan. Or is that non-plan?

Sell to Asia, trade with the rest of the world, there's a huge market out there and some of us even like the pommies.......err.....a bit, sort of.

It's a big world out there, trade away, don't need daddy Starbucks to hold ur hands.

[arjunadawn]

The only contagion in Europe is the UK,it has been called the temper tantrum foot stamping virus, seems to contained to spoiled children so far.

Hopefully someone finds a strong enough anti virus to keep it contained to the child care facility.

Despots are as despots does...

The above post is perfect evidence of what UK must flee- that demand for autonomy is a virus- and despots the anti-virus. Only in UpsideDownia World could such ignorance be peddled as reason.

Indeed, the 'anti-virus' that is EU must...it must show its real virulence soon otherwise the entire dream of a Fourth Reich will be abused. So, BREXIT will prove wise sooner, rather than later. Watch Merkel Juncker and their commie band of thieves.

Watch Merkel Juncker and their commie band of thieves.

Yes, one of the most advanced industrial nations in the world is in reality communist. Score one for Karl Marx.

China is a communist country. Merkel, Juncker, and a vast hoarde ARE socialist and communists, Ex Stasi, etc- Jeez, the EU projection is modeled on the frmr Soviet 5 year plan.

If Trotsky sets up an office at 1600 Penn Ave this would not grant him a new Ideolgy.

Again, here's why the problems in the world- an insatiable drive to confound reason with emotion-

'I assert, therefore it is.'

[bangon04]

The threat of a domino effect is very real.

To give, but one example of how deluded and blinded by denial the EU is.

Senior EU diplomats are also perplexed about how the prime minister managed to turn what they saw as a very generous deal – negotiated in February – into a catastrophic defeat that has plunged Britain into crisis. EU insiders thought the UK had got an exceptional offer, and were left bitter and disappointed when Cameron didn’t use it in the referendum campaign.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/28/cameron-eu-leaders-uk-control-immigration

Cameron asked for next nothing and got even less in return in February which is why he could not use it in his referendum campaign.

This is the mindset of the retards that every taxpayer shells out to keep in the lap of luxury.

Agreed Cameron LOST the referendum by sheer complacency. The only way other countries will follow is by the same complacency. The extremists only get their way when the silent majority is ignored.

[MissAndry]

I don't see any need for a deal with Europe.

Just because they are near to the UK, it doesn't matter.

Close our borders to them after chucking their nationals all out.

Don't buy from them, don't sell to them, just tell them to do one, tomorrow, if not sooner.

Great idea. Higher shipping costs. Less vendors to choose from so higher costs. All resulting in a weaker pound and even higher costs. Brilliant plan. I'm beginning to suspect that you were one of the architects of the Brexit plan. Or is that non-plan?

I was actually one of the silent majority, I didn't vote.

But if you think the difference in shipping costs between UK/China and UK/Germany are significantly different, you are showing a remarkable ignorance of international trade.

[MissAndry]

How about a EU court case, a finding of fault, and UK assets in the EU being potentially frozen? The UK responding in kind and an all out trade war ensues... leading to massive economic damage to both the EU and the UK.

I think that would be completely fair.

They can keep all the British investments in the EU, we get all our utility companies back, and anything else they have in the UK.

[ilostmypassword]

How about a EU court case, a finding of fault, and UK assets in the EU being potentially frozen? The UK responding in kind and an all out trade war ensues... leading to massive economic damage to both the EU and the UK.

I think that would be completely fair.

They can keep all the British investments in the EU, we get all our utility companies back, and anything else they have in the UK.

It's not just about money. It's also about time. As in "time is money."