‘Scotland’s voice will be heard’ – Sturgeon vows to fight to maintain EU ties

[KarenBravo]

The Scots voted to stay within the UK.

The UK has voted to leave the EU.

Another vote will have to decide whether to stay in the UK and leave the EU, or, leave the UK and return to the EU.

Frankly, I think the Scots would vote to stay in the UK over rejoining the EU.

PS. Why are all Scots leaders named after fish?

[bkkcanuck8]

PS. Why are all Scots leaders named after fish?

Well, they could always select someone with my last name.... but the Danes might not like it.... since it roughly translates into Killer or Slaughter of Danes...

[mommysboy]

She will succeed.

And insults ( inbred, stupid woman...) by people who come to stray into the stupidest vote history can be seen as encouragement.

At the European parliament she received a standing ovation which clearly shows that the demand will be supported. This will not make be pleased to English of course, but it had to think before...

You are not reading the News my Friend. The EU Presidency has already said that Scotland is part of the UK and the UK voted Out, which sorry to say, means Scotland also out and there is no precedence for a part of a Sovereignty to gain membership of the EU, Wake Up!

Scotland needs to vote out of the UK and apply to join the EU as an independent state...not hard to understand

Not necessarily, the UK has to execute article 50. Scotland has to vote out of UK before negotiations are complete. At that point then the EU can entertain whether Scotland is just remaining in the EU (as the UK membership) or apply anew.

Scotland can't just vote out of the UK. The UK Parliament has to agree to a new referendum. The last one was in 2014 and was a once and for all referendum, which in practice usually means once in a generation. Scotland could just go ahead with its own referendum, but it would have no legal status whatsoever. Even supposing UK did allow a new referendum, you would think it highly unlikely that the referendum would not have safeguards this time to prevent the fiasco that we have with the EU referendum.

Once UK membership is cancelled, it can not be resurrected as a vehicle to allow Scotland to join EU. That is a fantastical notion. How on earth did you dream that up?

[Laughing Gravy]

Scotland has very little to offer the EU and they won't be rushing to get them in. No disrespect to the Scottish but economically they are not attractive enough. The EU already has enough small countries joining soon. I am all for Scotland being independent and having autonomy. I foresee them that way, but still be part of the pound and commonwealth. Sturgeon is milking this so to try and force the EU to accept Scotland. I can't see that happening at all. The whole concept of Scotland leaving one small club and joining another bigger club really is contradictory.

[mommysboy]

"Let me be pefectly clear then, when article 50 is executed and the UK formally leaves the EU, Scotland can the vote to leave the UK and apply for membership for the EU as an independent state, they cannot stay in under the UK membership, as the UK no longer exists 1. As a member of the EU 2. With Scotland voting out ...the United Kingdom no longer exists"

Christ, I know these referendum things carry weight, but obliterating 60 million people is going a bit far.

[dick dasterdly]

From following these threads, I still have no idea whether or not Scotland can support itself financially as an independent country.

Are there any genuine facts that can provide clarity?

Either way, Scotland has provided a number of innovators out of proportion to its small population - so I would be sorry to see the country separate from the UK.

[vogie]

All I've heard since Friday morning is ' England ' and ' Independence ' but how dare the Scots want to look after their own future.

Boris speaks and is ' charismatic ', Nicola speaks and is called everything under the sun.

On the name calling I fully agree with you. There is no need for it and it is childish and foolish.

However, I just cannot get my head around this Independence from the UK and remain a part of the EU.

If she was calling for Independence for Scotland to make its own way in the world, I would actually support her if that is what the majority wanted.

Independence and being a part of the EU does not sit well with me.

Apparently it does with the Scots who voted by a substantial majority to remain in the European Union.

Correct me if I'm am wrong, but didn't Scotland vote to stay within the United Kingdom and when the vote was cast it was a United Kingdom vote, not just Scottish.

[mommysboy]

Ironic that in the last referendum for Scotland, by voting for independence from the UK would have voted them out of Europe as well.

Unlucky or what! Vote 'in' go out of EU. Vote 'out' go out of EU.

Nobody, not England, not EU, not Scotland, thought England would vote leave.

Just an unfortunate trick of fate.

[Kwasaki]

"Let me be pefectly clear then, when article 50 is executed and the UK formally leaves the EU, Scotland can the vote to leave the UK and apply for membership for the EU as an independent state, they cannot stay in under the UK membership, as the UK no longer exists 1. As a member of the EU 2. With Scotland voting out ...the United Kingdom no longer exists"

Christ, I know these referendum things carry weight, but obliterating 60 million people is going a bit far.

OK funny and maybe if Nth Ireland go too, It will be called Engwalesland.

[pitrevie]

Is this the same woman who said she wanted Scotland to become independent from the UK as there was too much control in Westminister over Scotland affairs but wants to be part of the EU under the control of Brussels ?

Think she is looking for a pigs snout in the trough job in Brussels

It might be that she thinks that being part of the EU is a far more attractive proposition that being part of the UK. From a Scottish point of view, control from Brussels as you call it or being controlled by Westminster, maybe the Scots see it from a historical perspective.

[Krataiboy]

She will succeed.

And insults ( inbred, stupid woman...) by people who come to stray into the stupidest vote history can be seen as encouragement.

At the European parliament she received a standing ovation which clearly shows that the demand will be supported. This will not make be pleased to English of course, but it had to think before...

At the European parliament she received a standing ovation

And you can't get more insulting than that.

[amdy2206]

Scotland has a population of less than 6m. Does anyone really think that will have any bearing on the EU when GB (population 65m) could not change anything. Will tge EU want another bunch of wingers always complaining. And just try to get the money for free education from the EU - like you got from England. Scotland's population did far better then the English. Go if/when you want and then complain to the Brussels mob. They wont listen, just laugh.

[dick dasterdly]

Scotland has a population of less than 6m. Does anyone really think that will have any bearing on the EU when GB (population 65m) could not change anything. Will tge EU want another bunch of wingers always complaining. And just try to get the money for free education from the EU - like you got from England. Scotland's population did far better then the English. Go if/when you want and then complain to the Brussels mob. They wont listen, just laugh.

So - its safe to assume that England is subsidising Scotland?

[mommysboy]

Scotland has a population of less than 6m. Does anyone really think that will have any bearing on the EU when GB (population 65m) could not change anything. Will tge EU want another bunch of wingers always complaining. And just try to get the money for free education from the EU - like you got from England. Scotland's population did far better then the English. Go if/when you want and then complain to the Brussels mob. They wont listen, just laugh.

Yes. Let's have a look at their previous form:

1. Endless criticism of the Union they are in.

2. Want an 'out' referendum, and don't respect decision. And then want another.

3. Want to keep the pound and not Euro.

4. Don't have any sort of plan about what happens after a leave vote.

Not even the EU would want a repeat run.

[KarenBravo]

Don't think France will ever forgive Scotland for William Wallace shagging their queen ( history according to Mel Gibson).

[mommysboy]

Scotland has a population of less than 6m. Does anyone really think that will have any bearing on the EU when GB (population 65m) could not change anything. Will tge EU want another bunch of wingers always complaining. And just try to get the money for free education from the EU - like you got from England. Scotland's population did far better then the English. Go if/when you want and then complain to the Brussels mob. They wont listen, just laugh.

So - its safe to assume that England is subsidising Scotland?

No, it's balanced. Scotland GDP makes it a net contributor relative to population size, but it comes back under the Barnett formula. It's about even, but that was before the oil price slump.

[bkkcanuck8]

Scotland has a population of less than 6m. Does anyone really think that will have any bearing on the EU when GB (population 65m) could not change anything. Will tge EU want another bunch of wingers always complaining. And just try to get the money for free education from the EU - like you got from England. Scotland's population did far better then the English. Go if/when you want and then complain to the Brussels mob. They wont listen, just laugh.

Yes. Let's have a look at their previous form:

1. Endless criticism of the Union they are in.

2. Want an 'out' referendum, and don't respect decision. And then want another.

3. Want to keep the pound and not Euro.

4. Don't have any sort of plan about what happens after a leave vote.

Not even the EU would want a repeat run.

Someone seems to be spending a lot of time trying to scare Scotland into staying.... which if what you said were a true reflection - you would want to see them leave.... which makes what you are saying and your actions a conflict of interest. I mean you should be helping them out the door should you not?

[KarenBravo]

Scotland has a population of less than 6m. Does anyone really think that will have any bearing on the EU when GB (population 65m) could not change anything. Will tge EU want another bunch of wingers always complaining. And just try to get the money for free education from the EU - like you got from England. Scotland's population did far better then the English. Go if/when you want and then complain to the Brussels mob. They wont listen, just laugh.

So - its safe to assume that England is subsidising Scotland?

No, it's balanced. Scotland GDP makes it a net contributor relative to population size, but it comes back under the Barnett formula. It's about even, but that was before the oil price slump.

You're wrong.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2015/03/yes-scotland-does-receive-an-unfair-share-of-public-spending-probably/

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-16477990

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnett_formula

[bkkcanuck8]

So Scotland wants a German master.....

Well, I can tell you here in Canada the Scottish and the French got along very well.... they had a common foe... the English

[Gweiloman]

Scotland has a population of less than 6m. Does anyone really think that will have any bearing on the EU when GB (population 65m) could not change anything. Will tge EU want another bunch of wingers always complaining. And just try to get the money for free education from the EU - like you got from England. Scotland's population did far better then the English. Go if/when you want and then complain to the Brussels mob. They wont listen, just laugh.

So - its safe to assume that England is subsidising Scotland?

No, it's balanced. Scotland GDP makes it a net contributor relative to population size, but it comes back under the Barnett formula. It's about even, but that was before the oil price slump.

I read somewhere (can't find the link now) that due to the current slump in oil prices, Scotland is being subsidised to the tune of about 15 million pounds at the moment.

[bkkcanuck8]

Scotland has a population of less than 6m. Does anyone really think that will have any bearing on the EU when GB (population 65m) could not change anything. Will tge EU want another bunch of wingers always complaining. And just try to get the money for free education from the EU - like you got from England. Scotland's population did far better then the English. Go if/when you want and then complain to the Brussels mob. They wont listen, just laugh.

So - its safe to assume that England is subsidising Scotland?

No, it's balanced. Scotland GDP makes it a net contributor relative to population size, but it comes back under the Barnett formula. It's about even, but that was before the oil price slump.

I read somewhere (can't find the link now) that due to the current slump in oil prices, Scotland is being subsidised to the tune of about 15 million pounds at the moment.

15 million pounds is chicken feed.

[dick dasterdly]

Scotland has a population of less than 6m. Does anyone really think that will have any bearing on the EU when GB (population 65m) could not change anything. Will tge EU want another bunch of wingers always complaining. And just try to get the money for free education from the EU - like you got from England. Scotland's population did far better then the English. Go if/when you want and then complain to the Brussels mob. They wont listen, just laugh.

So - its safe to assume that England is subsidising Scotland?

No, it's balanced. Scotland GDP makes it a net contributor relative to population size, but it comes back under the Barnett formula. It's about even, but that was before the oil price slump.

You're wrong.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2015/03/yes-scotland-does-receive-an-unfair-share-of-public-spending-probably/

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-16477990

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnett_formula

In short, its up in the air dependent on oil prices?

[bkkcanuck8]

So Scotland wants a German master.....

Well, I can tell you here in Canada the Scottish and the French got along very well.... they had a common foe... the English

Depends where you are in Canada.....

When would be more appropriate.... since it has been a long time since we have had a lot of Scottish and French mixing.... it was when literally entire villages were moved from Scotland to south shore of the St. Lawrence in Quebec.

[JAG]

? What can they offer apart from a crate of single malt and a half a barrel of oil?

They fill the ranks of the Army with big fellas who don't take no shit?

Fijians? Zimbabweans?

Take a long hard look at the ranks of a Scottish Infantry Battalion!

[KarenBravo]

Scotland and France have been allies for centuries.

Both Catholic.

England is Protestant.

[JAG]

The combined population of Scotland, London, Northern Ireland and Gibraltar is still less than the number who voted to leave, is it not?

[bkkcanuck8]

Well, I can tell you here in Canada the Scottish and the French got along very well.... they had a common foe... the English:cheesy:

Depends where you are in Canada.....

When would be more appropriate.... since it has been a long time since we have had a lot of Scottish and French mixing.... it was when literally entire villages were moved from Scotland to south shore of the St. Lawrence in Quebec.

What year was that...?

1800s... when we actually had lots of Scots... now we just have mostly Canadians....

[happy Joe]

Scotland has very little to offer the EU and they won't be rushing to get them in. No disrespect to the Scottish but economically they are not attractive enough. The EU already has enough small countries joining soon. I am all for Scotland being independent and having autonomy. I foresee them that way, but still be part of the pound and commonwealth. Sturgeon is milking this so to try and force the EU to accept Scotland. I can't see that happening at all. The whole concept of Scotland leaving one small club and joining another bigger club really is contradictory.

Friend, accept the idea that the European project is not limited to the financial value of its participants.

Europe is the congregation of countries who unite to defend common values and preserve in sharing the benefits from the past.

In this sense the supposed wealth or poverty a new member is totally secondary. The essential consideration is its commitment to the common project.

Scotland has clearly shown its values and will certainly welcome unanimously if it can legally to apply. Getting this right does not concern the 27, neither I, nor any stranger to Britain. This will be your affair for the coming months and we will follow with interest.

[ilostmypassword]

Scotland and France have been allies for centuries.

Both Catholic.

England is Protestant.

Scotland is mostly Catholic? Really? I think your information is a few centuries behind the times.

[KarenBravo]

Scotland and France have been allies for centuries.

Both Catholic.

England is Protestant.

Scotland is mostly Catholic? Really? I think your information is a few centuries behind the times.

This only changed when Scotland stopped being an independent country in 1705.

It wasn't the religion of the populace that counted, it was the religion of the ruler.......after all, they were the ones that set foreign policy.