Policeman shot dead in private car - girlfriend claims his gun went off accidentally

[neverdie]

20 minutes ago, sandgroper2 said:

Leave them alone. They have nothing better to do , and, they are happy. Shame on you.

 

 

RAOFLAO.

[mercman24]

sad, but an interesting read from various "thai visa experts "

[12DrinkMore]

1 hour ago, animalmagic said:

I spent quite a few years teaching the Glock pistol in a law enforcement environment and even wrote a few training programmes having undergone specialist Glock training in USA provided by the company itself.  The first safety is a trigger within a trigger that requires a proper grip and application of the trigger finger onto the trigger itself to release the trigger safety before the trigger can be depressed further to discharge a bullet.  Although I don't discount it as impossible to inadvertently do that I would suggest it is difficult if the owner is compos mentis and remembers there is a gun in the bag in the first place; I agree with the above post that a suitable holster should preclude that from happening.

The caliber of the weapon is really irrelevant as any gunshot damage to the femoral artery in the thigh could cause massive bleeding that may result in death within 30 seconds.

 

I owned a couple of Glocks.

 

I was not overimpressed by the so called "trigger safety", it is just a small plastic lever that blocks the trigger being pulled back. It requires very little force to deactivate and a Glock with one up the spout lying loose in a bag of other stuff is an accident waiting to happen. One of my Glocks was modified so that the trigger itself required almost no pressure to release, it was slightly more accurate shooting holes in bits of paper.

 

 

[sahibji]

does not make sense until more details emerge..

 

why did he have to reach for his ID as the driver would be the one who has to show the ID in the first instance.

[IAMHERE]

4 hours ago, DLang said:

Unfortunate.

 

 

No bullet protection amulet?

I thought Glock was an amulet.

[IAMHERE]

22 minutes ago, 12DrinkMore said:

 

I owned a couple of Glocks.

 

I was not overimpressed by the so called "trigger safety", it is just a small plastic lever that blocks the trigger being pulled back. It requires very little force to deactivate and a Glock with one up the spout lying loose in a bag of other stuff is an accident waiting to happen. One of my Glocks was modified so that the trigger itself required almost no pressure to release, it was slightly more accurate shooting holes in bits of paper.

 

 

A trained cop should know his gun well enough not to get shot by it accidentally. I don't think Glock is responsible for this, maybe too much beer/whiskey at the dinner meal is more likely than a defective Glock. Feel sorry for the girlfriend, not often Thai guys let Thai girls drive unless there was a reason.

[richard_smith237]

4 hours ago, Confuscious said:

So funny to read the answer of the TV-experts in Health and First-Aid and Firearms at work.
Almost like reading Wikipedia.
Thailand must be happy to have all these knowledgeable expats at hand.

 

 

So funny to read the above sarcastic and pointless post of the day !!...  always makes someone who thinks they are clever look daft... 

 

Most of the replies regarding the prevention of arterial bleeding are reasonable enough - A life could have been saved. 

 

 

[12DrinkMore]

19 minutes ago, IAMHERE said:

A trained cop should know his gun well enough not to get shot by it accidentally. I don't think Glock is responsible for this, maybe too much beer/whiskey at the dinner meal is more likely than a defective Glock. Feel sorry for the girlfriend, not often Thai guys let Thai girls drive unless there was a reason.

 

I certainly never suggested that Glock is responsible. They are a beautiful piece of efficient engineering, "Glock Perfection" is their motto. The amount of training and practice Thai policemen get is negligible, they have to pay for the ammunition.

 

I used to buy 1,000 rounds / time, and make at least 500 holes in bits of paper every month. 

 

That would cost well over 3,000 Baht/month. 

 

How much is  a Thai policeman going to spend?

 

Edited August 3, 2016 by 12DrinkMore

[richard_smith237]

21 minutes ago, IAMHERE said:

A trained cop should know his gun well enough not to get shot by it accidentally. I don't think Glock is responsible for this, maybe too much beer/whiskey at the dinner meal is more likely than a defective Glock. Feel sorry for the girlfriend, not often Thai guys let Thai girls drive unless there was a reason.

 

I know a number of BiB and got into a discussion with them a few years ago about Gun Safety. 

 

As they own their own Weapons there is no requirement to return them to the Police station at the end of their shift. Additionally, the positions they are in do not require them to return to the station at the end of their day. 

 

I was of the opinion that when off duty their weapons should be stored safely - i.e. Magazine removed, Gun locked in a case - they disagreed. 

 

They were unanimous in their Opinions that they should be carrying a loaded weapon at all times, bullet chambered, safety on. 

 

They were unanimous in that this is how they were trained. 

 

 

[DuiDui48]

6 hours ago, putsinker said:

Hang on, they were at the checkpoint, shot in the leg, so presumably he bled to death. Why no immediate first aid from trained policemen at the scene, a quick tourniquet could have been applied surely???????????     Sounds like panick set in.

Trained to do WHAT...other then the obvious..I would love to see what the actuall requirements are to join the BiB.Sorry to sound negative BUT after 15 years here i see no improvment of the Policeforce at all.

Yesterday i was stopped at a checkpoint here in Udon-Thani..

 

Police:You drive redlight..

Me:No i did NOT,it was yellow..

Police:You pay full NOW 1000Bath..

Me:Show photo me redlighting..

Police:No have..

Me:Then you not get ANY money..

Police:Yellow,you pay 800Bath..You pay now..400Bath..

Me:No thank you and i took off..CORRUPTION ATTEMT..

 

They are not even trained to know what the diffrent are between red,yellow and green..And you think they are trained in CPR/FIRST AID..goodluck..Like many other things they MIGHT be trained but to practise/enforce that's my friend is something totally diffrent..BUT there are good Police men and woman..i just wish they would show some respect to people..just maybe then we might start to trust them and the legal system.

Edited August 3, 2016 by DuiDui48

[ClutchClark]

99 traffic violators out of every 100 swear they were not breaking any laws...this is a true statistic the world over...except Canada. 

 

 

[ClutchClark]

5 minutes ago, DuiDui48 said:

Trained to do WHAT...other then the obvious..I would love to see what the actuall requirements are to join the BiB.Sorry to sound negative BUT after 15 years here i see no improvment of the Policeforce at all.

Yesterday i was stopped at a checkpoint here in Udon-Thani..

 

Police:You drive redlight..

Me:No i did NOT,it was yellow..

Police:You pay full NOW 1000Bath..

Me:Show photo me redlighting..

Police:No have..

Me:Then you not get ANY money..

Police:Yellow,you pay 800Bath..You pay now..400Bath..

Me:No thank you and i took off..CORRUPTION ATTEMT..

 

They are not even trained to know what the diffrent are between red,yellow and green..And you think they are trained in CPR/FIRST AID..goodluck..Like many other things they MIGHT be trained but to practise/enforce that's my friend is something totally diffrent..BUT there are good Police men and woman..i just wish they would show some respect to people..just maybe then we might start to trust them and the legal system.

 

Why should they be trained in First Aid/CPR?

 

That is the job of a paramedic.

 

 

[ClutchClark]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

I know a number of BiB and got into a discussion with them a few years ago about Gun Safety. 

 

As they own their own Weapons there is no requirement to return them to the Police station at the end of their shift. Additionally, the positions they are in do not require them to return to the station at the end of their day. 

 

I was of the opinion that when off duty their weapons should be stored safely - i.e. Magazine removed, Gun locked in a case - they disagreed. 

 

They were unanimous in their Opinions that they should be carrying a loaded weapon at all times, bullet chambered, safety on. 

 

They were unanimous in that this is how they were trained. 

 

 

 

And why shouldn't they carry a weapon at all times, loaded and one in the chamber?

 

This is Thailand. Right? All sorts of Thai carry firearms. Robberies occur anywhere.

 

 

[richard_smith237]

40 minutes ago, ClutchClark said:

 

And why shouldn't they carry a weapon at all times, loaded and one in the chamber?

 

This is Thailand. Right? All sorts of Thai carry firearms. Robberies occur anywhere.

 

 

 

That was their point...  the impression that they may need to quickly access their Gun, that others knew they were Police who carried a gun and that any form of confrontation would escalate immediately - thus they needed to be prepared at all times. 

 

IMO the 'quick response' while on duty argument is fair enough, however, when out drinking or when leaving their Gun in their car it should be stored safely.... However, from our discussion I gathered that keeping a loaded weapon, one chambered is what they all do.... 

 

It's surprising there aren't more accidents. 

 

 

 

[soc]

5 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

He's dead. How can it be worse?

Could have got the girl as well?

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

4 hours ago, JacChang said:

Which gun are we talking about here? Was the girl playing with the wrong one?

 

You're talking about a case of premature discharge???

[MyFrenU]

7 hours ago, putsinker said:

Hang on, they were at the checkpoint, shot in the leg, so presumably he bled to death. Why no immediate first aid from trained policemen at the scene, a quick tourniquet could have been applied surely???????????     Sounds like panick set in.

Not if the Femoral Artery is ruptured,one of the body's main arteries.

[MyFrenU]

7 hours ago, gdgbb said:

 

Clearly your knowledge of tourniquets is limited.

 

Clearly your knowledge of Biology and the Femoral Artery is even more limited,a bit like tying string around a fire hose!

[louse1953]

6 hours ago, ddavidovsky said:

Could have been worse - by a few inches.

What!!!Worse than death.

[MissAndry]

8 hours ago, ratcatcher said:

"She said that as her boyfriend - named as Rutchakorn,25 - reached in a bag for his ID to show at the checkpoint his gun went off and he was hit. "

 

Irresponsible? No safety catch on the gun? Shoots himself in the leg and dies. Tragic.

 

Glock doesn't have a safety. You pull the trigger and it fires.

It isn't a good gun to carry without a holster.

Edited August 3, 2016 by MissAndry

[MissAndry]

3 hours ago, sahibji said:

does not make sense until more details emerge..

 

why did he have to reach for his ID as the driver would be the one who has to show the ID in the first instance.

 

He would be showing his police ID so they let them through without any delys.

[MissAndry]

55 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

IMO the 'quick response' while on duty argument is fair enough, however, when out drinking or when leaving their Gun in their car it should be stored safely.... However, from our discussion I gathered that keeping a loaded weapon, one chambered is what they all do.... 

 

 

I can't think of any situation where I would be carrying a gun and not have it loaded and ready to shoot.

Unloaded guns are OK if you are an attacker, you can plan then load then attack.

But for self defense, it needs to be ready to fire at any instant.

[Chicog]

Depending on the actual injury, a person can bleed out from a major artery in under two minutes, or even less.

A basic first aid course covers this, and I'm guessing he didn't get any.
 

 

 

[Chapelroad]

Another dangerous person off the streets of Thailand.

[choff56]

46 minutes ago, MyFrenU said:

Clearly your knowledge of Biology and the Femoral Artery is even more limited,a bit like tying string around a fire hose!

A citizen of Thailand with common sense  should have known to locate the femoral triangle in the upper anterior region of the thigh and make an incision, using whatever sharp object is available at the moment, to find the femoral artery and clamp it off using a pair of roach clips. To add insult to death, it's common knowledge that the streets of Bangkok are full of incision making tools. Even a piece of glass from the top of some Hiso perimeter wall could have been used. 

[Rayk]

7 hours ago, ddavidovsky said:

Could have been worse - by a few inches.

He's dead. How much worse could it possibly have gotten.

[MyFrenU]

18 minutes ago, choff56 said:

A citizen of Thailand with common sense  should have known to locate the femoral triangle in the upper anterior region of the thigh and make an incision, using whatever sharp object is available at the moment, to find the femoral artery and clamp it off using a pair of roach clips. To add insult to death, it's common knowledge that the streets of Bangkok are full of incision making tools. Even a piece of glass from the top of some Hiso perimeter wall could have been used. 

Locating the femoral artery deep inside the body,then pulling it down to outside of the body to enable clamping it off as it is gushing and spewing blood like an uncapped fire hydrant,is a feasible and rational outcome from a "citizen of Thailand with common sense" you say?
The same ones that can't even locate Thailand on a map of the World?

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

I always like the scenes in the Thai lakorns where a person has been shot or otherwise severely injured and perhaps dying.

 

And rather than providing first aid or rushing to call an ambulance, the response of everyone nearby is to gather round while one person starts shaking the injured person, calling out their name and trying to get them to regain consciousness, all the while wailing.

[Dumbastheycome]

Here in Thailand I  have witnessed the rapid death of a victim of  a deep  arterial  gunshot wound to the leg. It was in the ER  of a hospital and a team of  medics  could  not successfully stop the  blood flow. An amputation is  easier to  block  blood loss  from than a longitudinal tear wound on an  artery especially in deep tissue if the  bullet  passed down the  limb  rather than  directly through it.

I feel sorrier for the woman than the  careless victim.

[Bluespunk]

6 hours ago, ddavidovsky said:

He could have shot himself in the groin and died that way.

Come to think of it, he could have shot his girlfriend - that would have been much worse.

 

Groin or leg, dead is dead. It's no better or worse where he bled from.