The Windows 10 Devolution..................

[lostinisaan]

Windows 10 Upgrade Activates By Clicking Red X Close Button In Prompt Message 

 

 

Reader Raging Bool writes:In a move guaranteed to annoy many people, Microsoft has "jumped the shark" on encouraging users to upgrade to Windows 10. Microsoft has faced criticism for changing the pop-up box encouraging Windows users to upgrade to Windows 10. Clicking the red cross on the right hand corner of the pop-up box now activates the upgrade instead of closing the box. And this has caused confusion as typically clicking a red cross closes a pop-up notification. The upgrade could still be cancelled, when the scheduled time for it to begin appeared, Microsoft said The change occurred because the update is now labelled "recommended" and many people have their PCs configured to accept recommended updates for security reasons. This means dismissing the box does not dismiss the update.Brad Chacos, senior editor at the PC World wrote about this incident over the weekend, and described it as a "nasty trick".

 

Wouldn't you call that fooling people? 

 

       https://tech.slashdot.org/story/16/05/24/171215/windows-10-upgrade-activates-by-clicking-red-x-close-button-in-prompt-message?sdsrc=rel

[lostinisaan]

38 minutes ago, jacnl2000 said:

Upgrading to latest version 1607 became quite a disaster for me on a multi-boot configuration of mine consisting only of two quite recent Windows 10 systems located on different disks (SSD and HD). Luckily, restorable backups were available. Still need to figure out a save workaround before I will start again that upgrade. Those backups saved me quite some time, but did not bring me progress. More people do experience similar problems. Problem is not restricted to Linux:

https://linux.slashdot.org/story/16/08/03/1614223/windows-10-anniversary-update-borks-dual-boot-partitions

 

      No idea if a second try would do the trick, but my first 1607 was a complete disaster. The second, a few weeks later works well.

 

        You might have downloaded the updates at the same time? Good luck with finding the right solution.

 

           P.S. I don't have a multi boot configuration. 

[Pib]

45 minutes ago, Rob13 said:

 

In that case,  I'll  keep the updates disabled. I've got it set up where everything  works good for me and I'm satisfied with it. No sense in jinxing it.  I'm just guessing but I bet alot of the updates are for Cortana and the Edge browser, neither of which I use.

You do know disabling updates in Win 10 is not like it use to be in Win 8.1 and before?  It's a more involved process like talked about at this website or this website.

[Chicog]

There were problems with the Anniversary build and some non-Windows partitions apparently. I think I posted about that earlier.

Also, you don't really want to ignore Critical updates, but if you are concerned about possible problems, you can always defer them until it seems apparent that they are problem free.

 

 

[manfredtillmann]

7 hours ago, Chicog said:

 

So you do all this whinging about Windows 10 for the good of your fellow men.

How nice. 

 

Yes, because I think MS is taking you for a ride, and you could do much better with the limited time your God has given you. All your posts are just substantiations of just ...this.

None of you would ever except such a mediocre and substandard product in any other aspect of your life.

[manfredtillmann]

7 hours ago, petermik said:

He,s such a kind hearted considerate chap you know..........

part #2, sorry, i was too awkward typing on my tablet.

 

ok, just suspend your dislikes for me for a moment, and - think - tell me:

what possible other motives could i have? there is no money in it for me to support what ever my machine is running, if you followed my posts you know that i have spent endless hours, days, weeks, dealing with window's short comings since my first 386 running win 3.1.

why are you all so cynical and aggressive about this? i have posted my preferences for specific beer brands and cars here before and no one came back at me like this.

if you had a car or a fridge that did to you what MS does to you with W10.... you would not stop complaining about it. so? what makes you so willing to not just accept this 3rd rate crap - but also defend it?

a long time ago i asked curly if he worked for MS - which he denied. how can you possibly blow your horn in defence of this invasive, intrusive and faulty software if you didn't?

 

 

[eTiMaGo]

24 minutes ago, manfredtillmann said:

Yes, because I think MS is taking you for a ride, and you could do much better with the limited time your God has given you.

 

Like spending hours trying to figure out how to install a fri&*^%*^&%*^&#r343g Wi-Fi driver for Linux on my laptop, before giving up and going back to evil MS

 

BTW I'm poking fun..  There's no perfect solution, is there?

[Rob13]

17 minutes ago, eTiMaGo said:

There's no perfect solution, is there?

 

I thought Windows 7 was pretty close. 

[tifino]

 

seems all such a senseless waste of human life...

 

if I want W10, I'll just buy a new laptop...

 

I've got a living W95C desktop,

a win98SE desktop,

a winXPpro desktop, and  laptop.

and 2 W7home prem laptops,

all going and viable museum pieces

 

each have software on them that I couldn't be sure would run on a later version, so I didn't

 

[manfredtillmann]

12 hours ago, eTiMaGo said:

 

Like spending hours trying to figure out how to install a fri&*^%*^&%*^&#r343g Wi-Fi driver for Linux on my laptop, before giving up and going back to evil MS

 

BTW I'm poking fun..  There's no perfect solution, is there?

probably not one solution for everyone's needs.

very happy with mine, so far. 7 months without a crash, all updates installed in seconds without the need for a re - boot and all hardware incl. usb printers etc. work flawlessly. i open the lid, press the button, punch in my password - and that's it. off she goes. never had a computer like this in 25+ years

[eTiMaGo]

2 hours ago, manfredtillmann said:

probably not one solution for everyone's needs.

very happy with mine, so far. 7 months without a crash, all updates installed in seconds without the need for a re - boot and all hardware incl. usb printers etc. work flawlessly. i open the lid, press the button, punch in my password - and that's it. off she goes. never had a computer like this in 25+ years

FWIW when Linux works, it works good. Can't think of anything else to use on servers, and I actually had a "Windows Server" phase in the past, *shudder*

 

But I just can't get the desktop versions to work for me, and I have tried many times, I just can do more with Windows...

[Chicog]

15 hours ago, manfredtillmann said:

Yes, because I think MS is taking you for a ride, and you could do much better with the limited time your God has given you. All your posts are just substantiations of just ...this.

None of you would ever except such a mediocre and substandard product in any other aspect of your life.

 

Don't look at me Manfred, if they ever got it 100% right I'd be looking for a new job!

 

[Chicog]

33 minutes ago, eTiMaGo said:

FWIW when Linux works, it works good. Can't think of anything else to use on servers, and I actually had a "Windows Server" phase in the past, *shudder*

 

But I just can't get the desktop versions to work for me, and I have tried many times, I just can do more with Windows...

 

Linux is OK, it just requires a lot more knowledge of what is going on under the hood than Windows.
 

 

[manfredtillmann]

Just now, Chicog said:

 

Linux is OK, it just requires a lot more knowledge of what is going on under the hood than Windows.
 

 

while i was pretty switched on with the early windows i know very little about linux, kernels, compiling etc.

i would not be able to get anything working on it if had to use command line. that's why i love ubuntu and mint (as compared to the early 'red hat' and 'suse' etc.)

as simple to use as xp was, click and finish, need a new program to edit my videos or find music on line, go to 'software manager', 75000+ programs to choose from, all free, click install, finished.

even runs my old windows favourites like 'irfan view' in an windows emulator called 'wine'.

new printer, external hard drive, camera, want to copy, edit or delete content from my samsung tablet or my huawei phone - just plug it in, no installation of programs, drivers,  no re - boots, everything just works. all the time.

 

perhaps i am lucky but i have not had a single bad moment with mint since i installed it in january (or feb).

and ubuntu has been running on my office computer since the demise of xp and has not crashed once.

 

the vast majority of computer users just want to use them to make their lives simpler, do tasks like shopping, banking, posting, writing letters and finding stuff quicker and easier so they can spent their time on pleasant things like family or productive work or leisure.

 

people like you, chicog, are not the typical computer users. if they were, MS would either be out of business now or make much, much better software.

cheers

mft

[Chicog]

29 minutes ago, manfredtillmann said:

the vast majority of computer users just want to use them to make their lives simpler, do tasks like shopping, banking, posting, writing letters and finding stuff quicker and easier so they can spent their time on pleasant things like family or productive work or leisure.

 

Then they should buy a Chromebook and stop worrying about the OS.

 

 

[manfredtillmann]

good advice as usual, chicog

so all you 29.900.000 dis - satisfied w10 users, throw away what hardware you have and shell out US$ 200+ for a 'chrome book', ok?

 

and all you others who are too poor or too tight - arsed, just forget about computing altogether and write your mail on paper again.

i can see a few million raising their hands already: me first, me first...

[Rob13]

2 hours ago, manfredtillmann said:

and all you others who are too poor or too tight - arsed, just forget about computing altogether and write your mail on paper again.

 

 

or give  Mint 18 a try.

[Chicog]

2 hours ago, manfredtillmann said:

good advice as usual, chicog

so all you 29.900.000 dis - satisfied w10 users, throw away what hardware you have and shell out US$ 200+ for a 'chrome book', ok?

 

and all you others who are too poor or too tight - arsed, just forget about computing altogether and write your mail on paper again.

i can see a few million raising their hands already: me first, me first...

 

But they don't, do they Manfred?

Because for *most* of the 1.4 billion people using it, Windows, including v10, does the job.

 

P.S. You're out of touch, you can pick up Chromebooks for not far off $100 these days.

 

If that's your cup of tea, and it sounds like it is because you're always moaning.

 

[manfredtillmann]

Just now, Chicog said:

 

But they don't, do they Manfred?

Because for *most* of the 1.4 billion people using it, Windows, including v10, does the job.

 

 

you have spoken to all of them, i take it, or are you just guessing, like i did?

and lets face it, given the pre - installation saturation of 'win', what choice do people have?

you can't even do a boot drive choice any more on win10 machines without major mucking around which would go into 'a lot more knowledge of what is going on under the hood', to use your own words.

just because a million people succumbed to the 'black death' did not make it any more pleasant or desirable. w10 is just that.

[eTiMaGo]

I somehow doubt an OS can directly cause death, but sure

[manfredtillmann]

i don't either, until i put my tinfoil hat on...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skynet_(Terminator)

[Chicog]

2 hours ago, manfredtillmann said:

you have spoken to all of them, i take it, or are you just guessing, like i did?

and lets face it, given the pre - installation saturation of 'win', what choice do people have?

you can't even do a boot drive choice any more on win10 machines without major mucking around which would go into 'a lot more knowledge of what is going on under the hood', to use your own words.

just because a million people succumbed to the 'black death' did not make it any more pleasant or desirable. w10 is just that.

 

How to multiboot Windows 10:

(1) Create a partition

(2) Boot into Windows 10

(3) Do a "Custom install" to that partition.

Wow that's incredibly difficult.

Really I think you're just a perennial moaner. Why don't we just take it as a given that you don't like Windows, and especially Windows 10, then it will save you having to bang on about it at every opportunity.

 

 

 

[manfredtillmann]

Just now, Chicog said:

 

How to multiboot Windows 10:

(1) Create a partition

(2) Boot into Windows 10

(3) Do a "Custom install" to that partition.

Wow that's incredibly difficult.

Really I think you're just a perennial moaner. Why don't we just take it as a given that you don't like Windows, and especially Windows 10, then it will save you having to bang on about it at every opportunity.

 

 

 

yes, to 98% of home computer users this is not just 'incredibly difficult', it is impossible! come on, ask around.

 

happy to agree if you agree that the path you posted -  and the actions you have to get into to change your boot drive - is way beyond the average user's ability and clearly falls under the 'under the hood' stuff that you claim people have to do to use linux.

 

it does not work like that, either. and you know it.

win10 is like rust, it never sleeps. you shut down, and even after removing the power source of your pc, you can press 'del' or 'f10' or what ever when you start up again, and you still boot into win 10.

you do not get into 'setup' any more. it needs some elaborate win10 tweaking for it to let go of your pc. and only than can you change the boot drive and only than can you try to install something else. that is a deliberate and malicious MS action to prevent people from exploring alternatives.

 

why don't we just take it as given that you dislike people who don't share your MS taste, that you don't care about people wasting hours or days of their lives, and that you really try very hard to cut down anyone (or just me) who thinks different from you?

 

 

[Chicog]

39 minutes ago, manfredtillmann said:

yes, to 98% of home computer users this is not just 'incredibly difficult', it is impossible! come on, ask around.

 

happy to agree if you agree that the path you posted -  and the actions you have to get into to change your boot drive - is way beyond the average user's ability and clearly falls under the 'under the hood' stuff that you claim people have to do to use linux.

 

it does not work like that, either. and you know it.

win10 is like rust, it never sleeps. you shut down, and even after removing the power source of your pc, you can press 'del' or 'f10' or what ever when you start up again, and you still boot into win 10.

you do not get into 'setup' any more. it needs some elaborate win10 tweaking for it to let go of your pc. and only than can you change the boot drive and only than can you try to install something else. that is a deliberate and malicious MS action to prevent people from exploring alternatives.

 

why don't we just take it as given that you dislike people who don't share your MS taste, that you don't care about people wasting hours or days of their lives, and that you really try very hard to cut down anyone (or just me) who thinks different from you?

 

 

 

You're missing the point. I don't *care* that you don't like Windows 10, that's your choice.

But it's pointless you banging on about it all the time.
 

There are plenty of people using it and asking questions, and I'm quite happy to help.

It's just a bit boring listening to your incessant whining about it. It's not going anywhere. Get over it.

 

 

[impulse]

Another thing people have to remember is that in an office environment, we have to be able to open files drafted by others.  Boss sends you an email and asks for an opinion in half an hour- it's no time to start scrounging the interweb for a Linux program that will open the attachments.

 

And there's very little more frustrating than opening a document that's been composed in a cheap program (or by someone that loves the space bar instead of the carriage return) and having to spend half an hour ($$$) formatting it because the formatting didn't come through.  Or try to find a Linux program that will open CAD or Vector graphics in Thailand. 

 

I tried Linux a few years back on my backup laptop.  Had to go to Win8 after a couple of weeks.  Not that I had more problems than I expect with a new version of Windows, but because every help blog assumed I started with a love of writing code.  As frustrating as Windows can be, help is out there.  In English.  For dummies.  

 

I love Win10, relatively speaking.  With the exception of Win8, it has the quickest learning curve from the previous version of any version of Windows since my first 3.1 machine.  In fact, there was virtually no learning curve on the machines I upgraded from Win8.  It never crashes- unlike every Windows up to Win7.  I have my concerns about privacy and what MS is doing with all the data they can collect on me, but that's the world we live in today.

 

If all you're doing is surfing the web, watching porn and sending emails, get a Chromebook or Linux.  If you are using it in a profitable endeavor- it's Windows (and MS Office) or Mac- or you're stepping over dollars to save pennies each day.

[lostinisaan]

On 9/4/2016 at 9:18 AM, Rob13 said:

The trick is, get Windows 10 tweaked to where you like it and turn-off the updates. After that you can pick which ones you want. They(MS) release these  massive updates that haven't been tested thoroughly and then people start getting into trouble when they try to download them. Bad marketing IMHO. Wait a month or so til they work out the bugs then try DLing them if you want them.

 

 Great advice. I wanted to have the 1607 update and I was too early and messed all up. Went back to my previous system waited until some things were fixed and now I'm more than okay with the updates.

 

    Similar to a woman, better stay with her for a while before you marry her. 

[lostinisaan]

8 hours ago, manfredtillmann said:

good advice as usual, chicog

so all you 29.900.000 dis - satisfied w10 users, throw away what hardware you have and shell out US$ 200+ for a 'chrome book', ok?

 

and all you others who are too poor or too tight - arsed, just forget about computing altogether and write your mail on paper again.

i can see a few million raising their hands already: me first, me first...

 

 Why not using Bongos? 

[jacnl2000]

 

On ‎9‎/‎4‎/‎2016 at 9:19 AM, jacnl2000 said:

Upgrading to latest version 1607 became quite a disaster for me on a multi-boot configuration of mine consisting only of two quite recent Windows 10 systems located on different disks (SSD and HD). Luckily, restorable backups were available. Still need to figure out a save workaround before I will start again that upgrade. Those backups saved me quite some time, but did not bring me progress. More people do experience similar problems. Problem is not restricted to Linux:

https://linux.slashdot.org/story/16/08/03/1614223/windows-10-anniversary-update-borks-dual-boot-partitions

 

Probably due to lack of documentation on the internet and my own stupidity made a quick but not so promising start by apparently using a wrong utility named Windows 10 Update Assistant. Instead MCT v10.0.14.14393.0 allowed me to upgrade all ( including multi-boot systems ) W10 operating systems successfully to current latest available version 1607.