Trump defiant as Clinton rides high in the polls

[Jingthing]

4 minutes ago, JulesMad said:

Hopefully his brain blood vessel pops soon! The sooner the better :-) 

 

It's bad karma to wish such harm on others. I'll stick with wishing he loses miserably and retreats entirely from political life. In reality, he'll probably lose in moderate way and start a new right wing conspiracy theory media empire that overtakes Fox. 

[Berkshire]

4 hours ago, Rancid said:

Thinks its pretty obvious by now Clinton will be the next US President, with the entire corrupt media against Trump he never did have a real shot.

 

 

The "corrupt media" largely occupies the right-wing space.  They're for Trump and against Clinton. 

[Jingthing]

9 minutes ago, DM07 said:

On the other hand, if Bernie was the candidate, Trump would be burried by now!

He would have NOTHING on Bernie, except calling him a socialist every 5 minutes!

You underestimate socialism phobia / potential of red baiting among Americans. 

[Jingthing]

13 minutes ago, ourmanflint said:

I'm starting to think that during the primaries, Clintons team actively helped get Trump the ticket, as she could have never won against any other GOP nominee

This is no secret. They always preferred to run against trump than any normal republican. So what? Actively helped? Back to the crazy conspiracy theories ... 

[Berkshire]

16 minutes ago, ourmanflint said:

I'm starting to think that during the primaries, Clintons team actively helped get Trump the ticket, as she could have never won against any other GOP nominee

 

Who on the GOP side had a chance?  Cruz?  Christie?  Rubio?  Bush?  If they couldn't beat Trump.....

[Jingthing]

5 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

 

Who on the GOP side had a chance?  Cruz?  Christie?  Rubio?  Bush?  If they couldn't beat Trump.....

trump was a black swan.

But if the republicans had not been hijacked by trump in a hostile takeover, KASICH would be creaming Hillary. Rubio would also have been strong. 

Edited October 12, 2016 by Jingthing

[ourmanflint]

10 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

trump was a black swan.

But if the republicans had not been hijacked by trump in a hostile takeover, KASICH would be creaming Hillary. Rubio would also have been strong. 

 

This makes sense to me. Team Hillarys best chance was not to go against someone intelligent or articulate

[Berkshire]

10 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

trump was a black swan.

But if the republicans had not been hijacked by trump in a hostile takeover, KASICH would be creaming Hillary. Rubio would also have been strong. 

 

I agree that Kasich would have been a more disciplined and "better" candidate and would have had the full support of the GOP.  But I don't agree that he would be creaming Hillary.  Kasich supporters would not be nearly as excited and motivated as Trump supporters.  It would have been an entirely different dynamic at work.  That whole "religious right" thing would be working against Kasich, for example.  But who knows....

[RawboneFunksta]

The election is an absolute travesty of free will and democratic choice.

There seems very little between the two in policy terms as both clearly represent the wealthy elite.

 

She has broken the law flagrantly in regard to national security and was evidently party to corruption and witness intimidation in connection to her husbands rape charges.

He is pretty transparent most of the time unless, as some imagine, his bluster is all a big smokescreen. He reminds me of Boris Johnson. Schoolboy bluff and bullshit but she is criminally duplicitous and hides behind the flag of feminism and social justice which anyone with any intellect can see is a mask. 

 

She is the anointed one as far as the real power structure of Amerika is concerned which is why the media has been bought and sold to support her campaign and humiliate Trump at every chance they got . . .they got many chances!

 

She will only commit Amerika to wars if there is profit in the process, he would have done the same to retain a degree of sovereignty for the country.

 

Neither will be successful

 

She will continue to push the failing Obamacare, he would have freed the markets and in a country like America that would probably have been the better option.

 

We will never know as we will have to suffer the awful woman screeching hyperbolic bullshit and adding to her already corrupt state for at least 4 years . . . . she just like Merkel will be fiddling while Rome burns.

 

[Neurath]

15 minutes ago, RawboneFunksta said:

Amerika

Ah, the good old use of K instead of C. Now where have I seen that before?

[dunroaming]

The real question here is who has Trump got left?  It seems to me it is just the white male rednecks plus the deluded racist, sexist, homophobes.  I guess then it depends on how much of the USA are made up of those groups.  If enough then Trump win and I suppose rightly so as he will be representing the majority of the American public.  Hard to believe but if right then the immigrant/migrant issue in the world will change shape massively

[bamukloy]

10 hours ago, keemapoot said:

 

 

36 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

The real question here is who has Trump got left?  It

 

Thats the thing. Even the absolute dumbest of politicians at least know when to shut up.

This guy cant help himself.

He is an absolute bucket mouth.

 

Give him enough time and he will say or do something that pis$es off even the redneck racist bigots.

 

Ps. Sorry about hacking the quotes..terrible to navigate

[Bob9]

11 hours ago, iReason said:

Dunning Kruger

 

Indeed - only someone with that mentality would call others a bigot because they disagree with their views, while not understanding that a bigot is someone that is intolerant of other's views and always insults and demeans their 'opponents' (does that remind you of someone?).

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ttthailand]

The real question here is who has Trump got left?  It seems to me it is just the white male rednecks plus the deluded racist, sexist, homophobes.  I guess then it depends on how much of the USA are made up of those groups.  If enough then Trump win and I suppose rightly so as he will be representing the majority of the American public.  Hard to believe but if right then the immigrant/migrant issue in the world will change shape massively

Who does Hillary have left is a question I think people are starting to ask. As I see on Facebook being a Bernie follower, tens of thousands of Facebook comments say they won't vote for her. These are Bernie supporters and he asks his supporters to vote for Hillary but at best 5% say they reluctantly will. The other 95% say 3rd party, Trump or will stay at home. So the democrats are going to loose a HUGE part of their normal support. I don't support Trump but Never Hillary !

[Jingthing]

You're simply spreading obviously false and totally unscientific PROPAGANDA saying only 5 percent of Sanders support will vote for Clinton. Only hard core extremely delusional trumpists would buy that load of ... 

[iReason]

Trump trails Clinton by 8 points after tape scandal, debate: Reuters/Ipsos poll

 

"Donald Trump has fallen further behind Hillary Clinton and now trails her by 8 points among likely voters, according to a new Reuters/Ipsos opinion poll, with 1 in 5 Republicans saying his vulgar comments about groping women disqualify him from the presidency."

 

"The poll released on Tuesday showed Clinton, the Democratic nominee, had increased her lead over Trump, the Republican nominee, to 8 percentage points on Monday from 5 points last week."  

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll-idUSKCN12B2PV

[keemapoot]

There is some good and satisfying news out of the business press this morning. Marketing and Branding experts have been measuring the effects of Trump's performance, history and actions this election on the Trump 'brand,' and it has dropped precipitously, signalling not only the failure of Trump's political career, but hopefully also his business career.

 

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For example, the added value of Trump's brand in TV and entertainment — the category where its added value is highest — has dropped from 43% to 30% between June and the most recent poll.

His brand value dropped 8 percentage points in real estate and 6 percentage points in country clubs and golf clubs in the same period.

A brand's perceived value has a direct impact on where shoppers choose to spend their money.

In other words, there's more than a bid for the White House at stake for Trump in this election, as his performance could have a lasting effect on his businesses.

http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trumps-brand-perception-falling-study-2016-10

 

Additional metrics here:

 

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Of the seven categories previously examined, Presidential Brand Trump increased added-value in the two categories with which Mr. Trump is currently most associated: TV/Entertainment and Country Clubs and Golf Courses. Added value regarding Real Estate has remained high but unchanged from two years ago.

But in more consumer-marketplace related products like shirts, ties, suits, and jewelry, Trump the Human Brand’s added-value has been significantly degraded. All changes – up and down – are significant at the 95% confidence level, although, as noted, twice the number of categories are down as they are up!

http://brandkeys.com/trump-the-human-brand-versus-trump-the-presidential-candidate/#post_content

 

[Srikcir]

7 hours ago, ttthailand said:

I don't support Trump but Never Hillary

A nonvote or third party vote will be the same as voting for Trump. Throw away votes strengthens Trump votes.

This may be recognized by the swing of traditional middle conservative Republicans choosing to vote for Hillary. 

 

Recently longtime Florida Republican strategist Mac Stipanovich says he's voting for Hillary. Remember Florida is a swing state. http://news.wfsu.org/post/mac-stipanovich-im-voting-hilary-clinton

See his open letter to Republicans: http://fapolitiloridcs.com/archives/208662-mac-stipanovich-open-letter-fellow-republicans

 

But Mac will vote for Republican Marco Rubio for Senator to keep Republican Senate majority. The same tactic being promoted by many high-profile and high-ranking Republican supporters and officials.

[Publicus]

15 hours ago, Jingthing said:

trump was a black swan.

But if the republicans had not been hijacked by trump in a hostile takeover, KASICH would be creaming Hillary. Rubio would also have been strong. 

 

It is much more likely and plausible that had Trump not entered the contest Cruz would have been the nominee. Cruz is more than right wing enough and people know he's hated by the Republican establishment while being strongly offensive to progressives.

 

Exempting Trump, Sen. Ted Cruz is the single clown among the large circus of Republican clown-candidates who likely would have got the plurality of Republican primary and caucus voters and the nomination. Cruz would have ideologically and stylistically chewed up Rubio who remains the child star and who likely would have finished second to Cruz.

 

Kasich is not a viable player in the Republican Party and its rightwing loony base. Neither Kasich nor Rubio is an attack dog. The politics and manner of each does not appeal to the rednecks who also know Cruz meets the loudmouth and obnoxious racism and xenophobia tests. Neither Kasich nor Rubio is the required crackpot who would have introduced fringe idiocentricities such as a wall or the banning all Muslims. They'd have banged away on immigration and Muslim terrorism but without Trump's drastic idiocies to include hammering on the dishonorable aspects of Bill's past. 

 

Neither Kasich nor Rubio would have created the politically suicidal storm of arming the world with nuclear weapons, nor would any of 'em told their supporters he'd punch liberals in the face. Nor would Cruz, Rubio or Kasich have trash talked or been found to have groped their way through life the way Trump has.

 

Kasich btw has a much more conservative record in the congress and as governor of Ohio than any of his fanboyz know or could imagine. Kasich is very right of center, it's just that he's not a raging crackpot about it in his style. 

 

There's no question Trump is the red meat of the majority crackpot Republicans, but in Trump's absence as a candidate the eccentric and politically idiocentric egotistical Cruz would have been just fine for 'em. To liberals surveying the Republican political landscape, crude Cruz is number one. Cruz simply got upstaged this time around by Trump's fateful decision to descend the elevator at the Trump Towering Inferno of Crap.

[Publicus]

8 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

A nonvote or third party vote will be the same as voting for Trump. Throw away votes strengthens Trump votes.

This may be recognized by the swing of traditional middle conservative Republicans choosing to vote for Hillary. 

 

Recently longtime Florida Republican strategist Mac Stipanovich says he's voting for Hillary. Remember Florida is a swing state. http://news.wfsu.org/post/mac-stipanovich-im-voting-hilary-clinton

See his open letter to Republicans: http://fapolitiloridcs.com/archives/208662-mac-stipanovich-open-letter-fellow-republicans

 

But Mac will vote for Republican Marco Rubio for Senator to keep Republican Senate majority. The same tactic being promoted by many high-profile and high-ranking Republican supporters and officials.

 

Florida and Rubio are showing to date that they are the exception.

 

Mainstream Florida voters are voting HRC for Potus and Rubio for Senate. The Democratic party guy for the Senate in FL named Murphy has yet to show he can turn his race around to his favor. HRC meanwhile has Trump against the ropes for Florida's coveted 29 Electoral College Votes.

 

In the actual blue states where first term Republican senators are up for reelection, HRC is ahead while the Republican Senate incumbent is either behind or running even at best. Mainstream voters in WI, IL, PA, NH are voting HRC decisively and extending that support to the D for the Senate. This is exactly opposite developments in FL.

 

The Senate races in WI and IL are over and the D will go to Washington. In PA the Republican Pat Toomey is now falling behind under the weight of the HRC large lead there.

 

Same in NH where the race remains statistically close but where D Gov. Maggie Hassen has always had the slight edge and HRC is consistently ahead. In North Carolina no one on the planet expected 2nd term incumbent Republican Sen. Richard Burr to be at risk but he has found himself on the ropes against his D party lady challenger as HRC takes an increasing lead in the state. 

 

It is empirical which is to say true in Potus elections that after a given state votes in three consecutive Potus elections for a single party, the state continues to vote for that single party in at least several more Potus elections -- several more elections at the least. PA for example was exclusively a red state until 1992 when it voted for Bill and Hillary. PA has voted D for Potus every election since and HRC is solidly ahead in this one.

 

FL voted twice for OB and Ohio voted twice for OB. HRC is solidly leading in each of 'em this time around. Same for previously long time red VA. If the past is indeed prologue, FL, VA and OH should be on the cusp of becoming blue states to vote D for Potus forward indefinitely.

 

It might well be more than a quip to say the next Republican Potus hasn't been born yet. It is instead beginning to look increasingly true. Especially as the Republican Party continues to self-fracture and to saw itself off its limb. It's the 2016 Republican Party Chainsaw Massacre.

 

Of the Republican Party.

[JAG]

22 hours ago, Rancid said:

Thinks its pretty obvious by now Clinton will be the next US President, with the entire corrupt media against Trump he never did have a real shot. Add in even the deplorable GOP recognise Hillary as the best pro-war, pro-Wall St candidate, and that removes all his support.

 

Sanders seemed the best option, but he still showed his true self when he sold his soul to the Devil by endorsing Hillary. Trump was never really a great option, he just appeared that way compared to toxic Hillary.

 

However this event perhaps more than any other shows how corrupt the political process is, how utterly deficient the choice of candidates, perhaps it will at least let more people finally open their eyes to what a complete farce the selection of puppet leaders has become.

Won't it be the fault of the voters if Trump doesn't win?

 

After all, if he doesn't win it will be because more people voted for Clinton. 

 

How does it go? 

"The people have spoken, the b#st#rds! "

[Srikcir]

29 minutes ago, JAG said:

Won't it be the fault of the voters if Trump doesn't win

According to Real Clear Politics poll for May 24th and July 27th, Trump was leading Clinton in the General Election.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

It has been Trump's opportunity to win or lose. He chose to keep his dedicated base, alienate moderate Republicans, and not pursue undecided, independent and Democrat voters. When a candidate ignores or rejects voters, it isn't the voters' fault for not supporting that candidate. If Trump loses, it's his own fault.

[Publicus]

Hillary Clinton is now the presumptive President-Elect of the United States....

 

 

“Democrats are now extremely confident they will capture control of the Senate next month in the wake of Donald Trump’s drop in the polls and an intensifying civil war in the Republican Party.”

 

“Winning the majority is a given, Democratic officials told The Hill, adding that signs point to a pickup of seven seats and possibly more on Election Day… Democrats contend they’re on track to pick up seats in Indiana, Illinois, Missouri, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.”  (emphasis added)

 

 

It looks like a 'wave' election which means to keep a close eye on the heavily gerrymandered Republican House majority of 31 seats.

 

 

Some state polls which except for New Hampshire are by in-state polling organisations that work exclusively in the state on a number of fronts to include Potus elections each 4th year...

 

Utah: Clinton 26%, Trump 26%, McMullin 22%, Johnson 14% (Deseret News) Utah is a deep red state. McMullin is running there to try to deny the state to Trump.

 

New Hampshire: Clinton 46%, Trump 38% (Greenberg Quinlan Rosner)  +8 Clinton in this blue state. Gov Maggie Hassen is running ahead of incumbent 1st term Republican Sen. Kelly Ayotte.

 

Ohio: Clinton 43%, Trump 34% (Baldwin Wallace University)  +9 Clinton in this increasingly blue state. First term incumbent Republican Sen. Bob Portman is doing well among Ohio voters.

 

Maine: Clinton 44%, Trump 38%, Johnson 9% (Maine People’s Resource Center)  +6 Clinton in this blue state.  No senate race in Maine this cycle.

 

 

A new Reuters/Ipsos poll finds Hillary Clinton expanding her lead over Donald Trump nationally to eight points, 45% to 37%.

 

On the tape: “Some 42% of American adults, including 19 percent of registered Republicans, said Trump’s comments disqualified him, while 43% said they did not. Among Republicans, 58% said they want Trump to remain atop their party’s ticket, and 68% said the Republican leadership should stand by him.”

 

Thank you to the Republican Party for their generous election year gifts to our side. We are eternally grateful.

 

 

“Enough of the pussyfooting around about, do you support us or do you not support us?”

— Trump campaign manager Kellyanne Conway, on Good Morning America.

 

These people are simply crude and obnoxious. In a sense it is depressing, however, considering that Washington and the country will be much changed beginning 20 January, the horizon looks bright. Always knew it would be a painful process with a beneficial and long term outcome. It's just that it can get very tough getting there.

[iReason]

Ryan sounds alarm on Trump

The speaker tells donors that the GOP nominee is doing worse than McCain in '08, when Republicans lost 21 seats.

 

"Speaker Paul Ryan told top donors on Wednesday evening that he’s growing concerned about whether House Republicans will be able to weather the political storm this November — and suggested the outcome for his party could be dire."

 

"During a conference call, Ryan said he believed that House Republicans had taken a serious hit amid Donald Trump’s freefall following release of the now-infamous "Access Hollywood" video, according to a person who was on the call."

 

"The speaker said that the media was set on driving a wedge between Trump the congressional wing of the party, but that Trump — whom Ryan described as lacking political discipline — had failed to understand that dynamic."  

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/paul-ryan-donald-trump-house-republicans-229716#ixzz4MtLvxTZI 

 

Here it comes.

They are tossing the crass, ignorant, Albatross that is the Bloviator under the bus.  

 

Same as anyone would do if a Buffoon such as the Bloviator showed up at your party.

 

Glorious to watch. 

[iReason]

Major GOP Donors Are Asking Trump for Their Money Back

 

"Two big-money donors who have given or raised tens of thousands of dollars for Donald Trump are livid at the Republican presidential nominee and are asking for their money back, according to a bundler who raised money for Trump."

"I cannot express my disappointment enough regarding the recent events surrounding Mr. Trump," one donor wrote to a Trump fundraiser in an email with the subject line "Trump support withdrawal." 

"I regret coming to the Trump support event, and in particular allowing my son to be a part of it," the donor, who had given to and raised money for Trump, said. "I respectfully request that my money be refunded." 

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/major-gop-donors-are-asking-trump-their-money-back-n664661

[Berkshire]

Trump is pulling out of Virginia? 

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-s-campaign-pulling-out-virginia-n665541

 

Wow.....

[StevieH]

4 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

Trump is pulling out of Virginia? 

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-s-campaign-pulling-out-virginia-n665541

 

Wow.....

 

he almost certainly never asked permission to enter her in the first place.

[StevieH]

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Edited October 13, 2016 by StevieH

[Jingthing]

Time for HILL to go in for the KILL.

Sitting on a lead, even a big lead, is dangerous when running against such a nutcase as trump. 

The democrats now have the opportunity (not great chance, but possible) of a near landslide presidential  mandate and to take back both houses of congress (and the supreme court as well).

If she sit's on her lead, she'll still win ... but be stuck with blockage.

Knowing Hill, I don't think she's up for this ... going for the KILL.

But wish she would!

[Jingthing]

9 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

Trump is pulling out of Virginia? 

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-s-campaign-pulling-out-virginia-n665541

 

Wow.....

Makes sense. They must win Ohio and Florida to have any chance. They've also lost Pennsylvania.