al007 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Sad but the man is irresponsible, When I am down to my last 100,000batt, I head home to UK and social security, housing , medical, and food Some people never learn, Some people come out of prison and soon go back there UK citizens are given a safety net of social security, but you have to get there Its a tough world 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silent Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 11 hours ago, swissie said: All of the above may apply. OR: He was overwhelmed with Hospital bills. Cheers Excellent. If nothing else, I've learned most people are shocked when they hear of someone who doesn't have their vices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobobo Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 19 hours ago, ubonjoe said: If he turns himself in he would not be blacklisted since he is still under 90 days of overstay. If would be sent to the immigration detention center, appear in court and would then have his fine reduced to 2 or 3k baht. He would be detained until his fine was paid off either by himself or at 200 baht for each day of detention. Then if had a ticket home he would be deported and sent home. Some embassies will offer assistance. Some will even loan the money for the fine and ticket. Though generally only if friends/relatives back home guarantee to repay the money 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarenBravo Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 19 hours ago, KhunBENQ said: His only chance to escape with minor hassle. Buy a ticket to home country and rush to the airport. Whether his embassy will give him a loan for the ticket? As already written: nationality? Home country: as he seems flat broke it does not make sense to suggest buying a cheap one-way to a neighboring country (stumbling into another mess). To leave IDC, you must have a flight ticket direct to your home country. If there is no direct flight, you must get permission from the country that you have to transit through. When you are deported, you are escorted onto the plane in hand-cuffs. Technically, you are a criminal. Pilots are asked first whether they will allow a criminal on their flight. Understandably, they nearly always refuse as they are not told the reason why someone is a criminal. The only airlines that CANNOT refuse to take you, are the flag carriers from your own country. In this case, the British national will have to buy a BA ticket. I know this from experience. Loads of weird and wonderful nationalities have been locked up in IDC for years due to the fact that there are no direct flights to their country, or, their national carrier doesn't fly to Thailand. PS. IDC is a much better place to stay than a criminal prison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattaya Wolf Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Does anybody know, what the outcome would be if you are on overstay of of 10 months have money for ticket home and money 20,000 to pay at airport. Do they get 1 year ban? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritTim Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 5 minutes ago, Pattaya Wolf said: Does anybody know, what the outcome would be if you are on overstay of of 10 months have money for ticket home and money 20,000 to pay at airport. Do they get 1 year ban? Likely, one would be blacklisted for a year. According to published regulations, this would be automatic. However, there is some evidence that immigration officials have some discretion to waive the ban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawker9000 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 1 hour ago, silent said: Excellent. If nothing else, I've learned most people are shocked when they hear of someone who doesn't have their vices. The fact that friends & family - and even the OP - are apparently refusing to help suggests he's not in this predicament for legitimate reasons. In comparable cases discussed here on TV from time to time, somebody occasionally mentions the possibility of seeking refuge in a monastery where he lives by their rules, performs some kind of work (perhaps teaching English), and gradually scrapes together some money for the trip home. Assuming he's not addicted to some form of substance abuse, is that not a possibility here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattaya Wolf Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Thanks Brit Tim, money is not an issue has been waiting for job working in another country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexlm Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 I cleared a 7 months (199 days) overstay and I know how it is a very stressful situation... "Your friend" should definitely clear his situation right now. I cleared it at Nong Khai without any trouble. Just pay the fine. 500.- Bahts per day, 20,000.- maximum. Plan money for the Laos on arrival visa as well. And everything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ooladolla Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Plead on a crowd funding site. His countrymen may have pity on him. If he's not blacklisted and comes back, what then.? Same same but different ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangkapi Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Just report the bloke to immigration and wash your hands of his mess. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 14 hours ago, jadee said: Yes, my apologies, I just checked out the embassy website , you're right, it does say What the embassy cannot do for you Although we try to help British nationals in a wide range of situations, we cannot: pay any bills or give you money (in very exceptional circumstances we may lend you some money from public funds, which you’ll have to pay back) So yes, it sounds like they won't give a loan but I don't know exactly 'exceptional circumstances' would include if being stranded in Thailand isn't one of them! Maybe you're right, if there truly are 'hundreds of destitute Brits', then I agree the circumstance aren't exceptional = no loan. In that case, I don't know, could the OP start a crowdfunding thing for his friend? My only other idea is for the guy to get a job teaching or something and save for a ticket that way. I knew of a guy in similar circumstances. Backpacked and then picked up some casual teaching when that was still an option. Ended up in the IDC. His parents, family and "friends" didn't want to know. All the Embassy would do was request authorities in the UK to contact his family, make them aware of his situation and act as an intermediary for the transfer of funds. They would lend him money as long as they were either paid back by the family or got money up front from the family. He was writing to Thai schools where he'd worked pleading for help. One headmaster asked me to read the letter because he genuinely felt sorry for him and was wanting to either contact his family or offer some assistance. Eventually, the family did pay up. Not sure they will give a loan to someone with no money, no assets and visible way of paying back. Even though the could get a low cost economy ticket and he has more chance of paying them back once he's home. No where in the world is good to be without cash anymore, but Asia in particular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alocacoc Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 I guess the risk that he get blacklisted is the smallest issue this guy have. If I were in such a situation, they could blacklist me thousand Years as long I make it home. Crowd funding is indeed a option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 3 hours ago, ubonjoe said: Several troll and inflammatory posts have already been removed. No further notice will be given when they are removed, Again more have been removed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 17 hours ago, overherebc said: I honestly doubt if the BE would lend him the money. They seem to work on the lines of 'if you break the law in Thailand' they don't/won't get involved. Has he no friends here ? Friends - 1. If his family at home are unwilling to help, perhaps he can contact an old friend at home and plead for a quick collection from a group of old friends. His situation is desperate, he needs to try any approach he can. Most embassies will not pay for the ticket or loan the money for the ticket, but I believe some home countries will accept money lodged (perhaps by home family or friends) with the appropriate gov't agency at home and that gov't agency will then assign a credit to their Bangkok based embassy who will then hand it over, in cash, to the destitute person. My understanding is this method has several possibilities, perhaps on receipt of the credit some embassies will send a local junior officer, with the person concerned, to buy a ticket locally. All of these things need exploring in detail. Friends - 2. Is it perhaps possible for you to help by checking for cheap flight costs, then add the estimate overstay* costs and other costs etc., then ask 10 friends / acquaintances of the guy to all contribute 10%? If this is a possibility there needs to be a good discussion with the guy to be sure of what airport he needs to fly to, what other expenses he's aware of, enough cash in his pocket for basic transport to his family home. Also is there any complication for him to pay outstanding rent etc., to get his belongings available to take to the airport, etc. Why? I've seen this before, nobody realized all the complications involved in terms of both the ultimate cash needed and the documents and closing down apartment, etc. In the case I'm familiar with, third hand, the apartment rent hadn't been paid for quite a few months and the apartment owner locked the room with an additional padlock, meaning the guy concerned couldn't enter to get his passport etc. until the rent was all cleared plus the cost of the padlock etc. * My guess is there are TV members who have been through this, or seen this scenario close up and can give better advice about what additional, cash, documents etc., are needed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnodon Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Don't know why he would worry about being Black listed. he is broke, no way of returning, and if he was to it would take 5 years to fund a return going on the sound of things. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djlest Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 (edited) the mind boggles.... How does anyone get into these situations? I came here years ago with just a backpack and a few bob, i made it my priority to find a job - ANY JOB! just enough to get by is fine... its not that hard if you get your lazy butt out of bed in the morning and go out with a shirt and tie on, smile at a few people and show your willingness to work. Tell him to go get a job... any job, maybe a job that will pay him per day for a few hours teaching... theres loads on the internet, there really is ZERO excuse! Then when he gets together a few thousand baht... do a border run and get the visa reset and his fines paid off...pronto!!! No blacklist, no drama - but he has to act NOW! Oh and with regards to what happens when he returns back to the UK with no money? The UK government will be throwing money at people who dont want to work and dont have a place to stay, no worries there - its the reason these dregs to society exist because they are so used to free handouts.. Edited October 13, 2016 by djlest 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williet98248 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 It would be nice to know how this person got into such dire straits. If through no fault of his own such as illness or accident then maybe some kind compassionate souls on TVF might figure a way to help him out with some cash. On the other hand if he came here and blew all his resources on booze and cheap women with no thought for the future...Well then a stay in a Thai jail might help him grow up a bit. Will his friends and relatives in the UK not help him because he burned them too much in the past? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigote54 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 firstly the BE will not help unless he has a guarentor in UK, The social and housing will not help for 3 months and so he will have to live rough for 3 months not ideal in winter. good luck. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beano2274 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Many years ago a friend of mine was in a similiar position, the Embassy would not pay for his ticket, but would get in touch with his family and ask them to purchase his ticket and send it to the Embassy (he was in IDC at the time). Also another friend of mine who returned to the UK, found that the Social would not immediately pay, as he had to prove he was a resident and not just visiting, this meant a stay of a few months before receiving any financial assistance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RakThai22 Posted October 13, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted October 13, 2016 (edited) The British Embassy will NOT give you money. I'm speaking from experience - I was in a similar situation with no money. The most your embassy will do is to contact your friends and family to ask them for money. I've overstayed 8 months during 2014 and eventually got tracked down by immigration, arrested, fined 3,000 Baht/3 months in prison. Some good friends of mine paid the 3,000 Baht and then I got sent to lock up in jail (awaiting transport to go to the IDC) and after about a week sent off to the IDC prison in Bangkok to await deportation there indefinately. I ended up staying n lock up for 17 days in total. But some people in there are not getting out and have been there for 12 years! Fortunately, two friends of mine in my home country send some money to me via Western Union to help pay for my ticket and the rest of the money I had from my last teaching job. So basically I scraped together every cent I could to afford the airfare... There are hundreds of foreigners locked up just waiting indefinately if they have no money to buy a ticket. Your embassy will NOT give or lend you money as far as I'm aware. I met some brits in the IDC and their embassy did not help them. You will have to find someone who can give or lend you some money for the ticket once you get convicted of overstay. It is not pleasant in there, but you will survive if you have good health. Have hope and find a way of getting the money for a ticket at least. Otherwise you have to pray that you don't get caught my friend. But if you have hope and faith and you focus on finding a way and finding help you will be okay. Good luck :) Edited October 13, 2016 by RakThai22 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silent Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 5 hours ago, hawker9000 said: The fact that friends & family - and even the OP - are apparently refusing to help suggests he's not in this predicament for legitimate reasons. In comparable cases discussed here on TV from time to time, somebody occasionally mentions the possibility of seeking refuge in a monastery where he lives by their rules, performs some kind of work (perhaps teaching English), and gradually scrapes together some money for the trip home. Assuming he's not addicted to some form of substance abuse, is that not a possibility here? "All of the above may apply.OR:He was overwhelmed with Hospital bills". How in the world did you come out with all that unless to prove my point? As you say "cases that are discussed from time to time" and all farangs are the same are they not? Let me splain I always appreciate how so many continually miss a point and usually tend to confirm the very one I was making. Substance abuse of course is a possibility as are many other things that I can attest to for not having many family friends who I would want help from. I think you can safely assume without trying to make an ass out of u and me that has fa to do with substance abuse as much as it does for my extreme dislike for those who get a quick serotonin or dopamine rush from showing objectivity. I've always had that addiction, but the reasons I look at things different is probably due to all those who supported my ex after driving me to the point I had to leave over my job, before I hit her back, but it had to be for another woman. I'd sooner die than ever ask for help from any of them back home. Of course there's always a possibility for substance abuse, but what you jumped on the bandwagon and completely missed was my point, that there is also a possibility, slim as it may be, that there could be a legitimate reason but before that might be seen he gets buried in translations because nobody here is anybody's fool and been such perfect human beings all their life they don't need to be ordained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post zd1 Posted October 13, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted October 13, 2016 7 hours ago, KarenBravo said: To leave IDC, you must have a flight ticket direct to your home country. If there is no direct flight, you must get permission from the country that you have to transit through. When you are deported, you are escorted onto the plane in hand-cuffs. Technically, you are a criminal. Pilots are asked first whether they will allow a criminal on their flight. Understandably, they nearly always refuse as they are not told the reason why someone is a criminal. The only airlines that CANNOT refuse to take you, are the flag carriers from your own country. In this case, the British national will have to buy a BA ticket. I know this from experience. Loads of weird and wonderful nationalities have been locked up in IDC for years due to the fact that there are no direct flights to their country, or, their national carrier doesn't fly to Thailand. PS. IDC is a much better place to stay than a criminal prison. Things may have changed since my spell in IDC in 1995 as I was deported to KL on Lufthansa. I was chained to 3 Chinese blokes when we were marched through Don Muang there flight was about an hour before mine, they were put on their flight and I asked the immigration officer who was escorting me if I could buy some duty free he said yes so I bought some cigarettes and gave him a couple of packs, we then had a beer together while waiting for my flight, he asked me when I was coming back to Thailand and I said 9 to 10 hours as my flight was a return, he looked at my passport and as I had paid to not be banned I didn't have a ban stamp and he said I would have no problem returning, which I didn't. While it maybe true about the weird and wonderful nationalities in IDC being there years due to the fact there are no direct flights to their country, I think that it is more an issue with the fact they have no money and these countries not having an embassy in Thailand. The fact is that you will not get out of IDC without a ticket out of the country, payment of fine and also payment of transport from IDC to the airport and payment for the guards that escort you. That's why a lot of people end up there years and believe me people do die in there. You also stated that the IDC is a much better place to stay than in a criminal prison, I have only visited people in bang kwang and I know this isn't a good place to stay but the IDC of 20 years ago was worse than any criminal prison, when I was there in the room I was in there was over 300 people, you didn't get out of the room until you were going to the airport. 2 people died in the room I was in in the 5 weeks I was there, when I look back on that time it is like a bad dream. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jadee Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 This is one of the most interesting threads I've ever read on this site, I had no idea the consequences were so severe. It's very unsettling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 20 minutes ago, jadee said: This is one of the most interesting threads I've ever read on this site, I had no idea the consequences were so severe. It's very unsettling. It's a serious matter in many countries. My home country attracts a lot of Asian students who arrive on student visas. The visa rules are explained very carefully most (maybe all unis and schools must record attendance on line and any absence if informed very quickly to the immigration authorities. Second absence and immigration officials arrive at the registered abode very quickly and will instruct the student to pack their bags right now and escorted to the airport for immediate return home. If student has moved to new address and not informed the immigration authorities within something like 24 hours then (when found) there's a fine before immediate deportation. No chance of return. I suggest there's another way to look at this subject - in any circumstance but especially with terrorism on the rise rapidly would you (and me) want your home country to have quite strong control of what foreigners are living in your country and especially if they are ignoring the rules about staying in your country? I'll be honest, I'd like my home country to be very serious about this matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fithman Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 13 minutes ago, scorecard said: I'd like my home country to be very serious about this matter. And your home country is ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tonray Posted October 13, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted October 13, 2016 Since the OP will not post any further details, I am not sure anyone can help here except to comment. 'Most' of these cases, no matter what the underlying cause, stem from a lack of personal responsibility. This is evident in the fact that these folks cannot ask a friend or family for a loan because they have already gone to the well too many times and stolen the bucket. I knew a guy in a similar situation, constantly asking to borrow money, always someone else's fault was his line, finally I broke down and felt some sympathy for the guy....yep y guessed it....he disappeared with my cash...never to be seen again. That is the common thread....unreliable and irresponsible, and my guess is that is exactly what we have here also. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaldPlumber Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 What does your mate think is going to happen to him back in the UK?Single male, no dependents? I'm pretty sure they'll do nothing at all.Winter is coming very soon. Has he any skills? Can he support himself? To be honest, it doesn't sound like your friend has much of a clue.I wouldn't want to be in his situation, but then again,I wouldn't have let myself either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ldiablo72 Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Very typical of Western countries with their citizens. People work and pay numerous different types of taxes and then when that same citizen finds himself/herself stuck in a country with no means to an end they basically abandon them like garbage. Countries should be obligated by law to at the very least provide a loan for its citizens to get back to their native country. And by loan I don't mean give them the actual money, but to have someone from the embassy pay the overstay fine and purchase the airline ticket. It really goes to show just how much your country really cares about its citizens at home and abroad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotBkk Posted October 13, 2016 Share Posted October 13, 2016 Fanny...... I agree with you entirelyHowever, using this as a defence in a Thai court might not be accepted as a good defence !! Yer Honour' I know this might sound like a loada Fanny but ..... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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