May ready for tough talks over Brexit

[jpinx]

14 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

If the Chinese are impossible to understand or interpret how can you read them.

Brexit shouldn't stop England doing deals with China or Russia, if there's anyone l find,  what's that again, oh yeah inscrutable it's the American government.  

They're not impossible to read - but people will read them in different ways according to their bias.    Indeed UK should be able to do deals -- but the UK politicians seem to be incapable of holding a tea-party these days - let alone a series of votes and negotiations to get out of this mess... 

As for the American reference -- they're not inscrutable -- they're just in a mess and causing instability everywhere they look -- perfect conditions for the Chinese to advance their agenda.

Edited July 1, 2017 by jpinx

[Grouse]

UK already written out of French school books.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/french-schoolchildren-taught-uk-is-no-longer-an-eu-member-state-a7817981.html

 

Well done the Brexiteers!

Edited July 1, 2017 by Grouse

[Grouse]

Starmer continues to impress under difficult circumstances

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-labour-eu-corbyn-starmer-single-market-a7818101.html

[elliss]

On 6/27/2017 at 3:02 PM, nauseus said:

Better not to contemplate it then.

 

 Better not  to  contemplate , facts , really .

     JC , will be  PM ,  fact , Amen .

[Khun Han]

4 hours ago, elliss said:

 

 Better not  to  contemplate , facts , really .

     JC , will be  PM ,  fact , Amen .

 

If Corbyn does become PM, it will be no more or less than testimony to the power of globalist power brokers. If the Tory party had towed the globalist line on brexit, Corbyn would have remained a side show, bordering on freak show, subject to endless ridicule in the national press, and with no credibility outside his hardcore followers.

[SheungWan]

3 hours ago, Khun Han said:

 

If Corbyn does become PM, it will be no more or less than testimony to the power of globalist power brokers. If the Tory party had towed the globalist line on brexit, Corbyn would have remained a side show, bordering on freak show, subject to endless ridicule in the national press, and with no credibility outside his hardcore followers.

The freak show is the conspiracy theorists.

[SheungWan]

10 hours ago, Grouse said:

Starmer continues to impress under difficult circumstances

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-labour-eu-corbyn-starmer-single-market-a7818101.html

He is not a leader-in-waiting. He might have been if MPs were electing the leader but that has gone. Secondly, Corbyn will hang on to his post until doomsday. Thirdly, I am afraid you cannot have your cake and eat it. Why? Because either you support the Labour rebels who voted to retain the single market or you have entered a new realpolitik phase where Corbyn has not only backed away from the single market but made very evasive clear that he is going to do what it takes to hang on to those ex-UKIP votes if he can. So Corbyn sacked the shadow cabinet members who wouldn't toe the line. And who is that standing sheepishly beside him? Yes, your new friend Keir Starmer. Difficult? Yes. Impressive? No.

[mommysboy]

10 hours ago, Grouse said:

Starmer continues to impress under difficult circumstances

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-labour-eu-corbyn-starmer-single-market-a7818101.html

About Starmer:

He also criticised the “untested thesis” that leaving the customs union in order to strike free trade deals with non-EU countries would definitely be beneficial to Britain, describing the idea as “uncosted, un-risk assessed and untested”.

 

That is exactly the point that concerns me, and presumably spreadsheet Phil, another politician that has impressed.  He commented that whatever type pf Brexit people voted for it wasn't one that would make them poorer.

 

Assuming the economy continues to deteriorate while peers grow, at what point would the Brexiteers accept that leaving is futile?  A flatlining economy for a decade, a small recession, a depression over 5 years and 10 points off GDP?  This isn't just about winning a vote.  The question on the ballot paper didn't say 'at any cost'.

[mommysboy]

18 hours ago, jpinx said:

They're not impossible to read - but people will read them in different ways according to their bias.    Indeed UK should be able to do deals -- but the UK politicians seem to be incapable of holding a tea-party these days - let alone a series of votes and negotiations to get out of this mess... 

As for the American reference -- they're not inscrutable -- they're just in a mess and causing instability everywhere they look -- perfect conditions for the Chinese to advance their agenda.

What has been striking so far has been the atrocious way the Government has handled Brexit- clueless right from day one, and then plain dishonest and contemptuous of both democracy and the law. 

 

This stems imo because of a fundamental whopper of a lie: there is and never has been anything remotely resembling a soft Brexit. 

[sandyf]

19 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

IIRC, it was those supporting remain who posted these news stories re. the amount 'owed' - as evidence supporting their cause.

 

The 60bn that increased to 100bn came from EU sources, and the 'quotes' were also carried by UK newspapers supporting remain - so its a 'bit much' to now try to pretend it wasn't used as scare tactics by the remain side!

Of course figures are coming from the EU, who do you think is doing the books. The figures mentioned were always described as debt, not what was to be paid.

 

Nobody is pretending anything, it is a fact of life that any reporting media will present any information in a manner that suits them best but there are always those that will grab any opportunity to shout scare tactics. It is all a bit futile now, the vote is over and what will be will be irrespective of what the media portray.

[sandyf]

18 hours ago, Flustered said:

You are just digging your hole deeper.

 

To remind you what you said.

 

Going back to a comment I made earlier "The White House has ruled out a bilateral agreement any time soon.".

 

The White House said no such thing, it was your statement, not theirs.

 

I think Trump calls it False News.......Well done.

You can spin it any way you want, you obviously believe that Donald is going to give Maggie May the best deal possible in the next few weeks.

[mommysboy]

19 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

IIRC, it was those supporting remain who posted these news stories re. the amount 'owed' - as evidence supporting their cause.

 

The 60bn that increased to 100bn came from EU sources, and the 'quotes' were also carried by UK newspapers supporting remain - so its a 'bit much' to now try to pretend it wasn't used as scare tactics by the remain side!

 

Are you suggesting that the media should not report genuine news items?  Of course not I would guess judging by the reasonableness of your usual postings.

[mommysboy]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/01/poll-european-eu-rights-brexit

 

Poll finds that 60% of Britons want to keep their EU citizenship.  Well, you know, am I missing something here?  Do we still want out or not?

 

I wish these pollsters would ask one very simple question : Do you still want to leave the EU?

 

 

[Srikcir]

3 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/01/poll-european-eu-rights-brexit

 

Poll finds that 60% of Britons want to keep their EU citizenship.  Well, you know, am I missing something here?  Do we still want out or not?

 

I wish these pollsters would ask one very simple question : Do you still want to leave the EU?

 

 

Maybe the poll should have asked: Do you want to keep your EU citizenship no matter the cost? Seems the Brexit referendum answered that question.

[ilostmypassword]

19 hours ago, Flustered said:

You are just digging your hole deeper.

 

To remind you what you said.

 

Going back to a comment I made earlier "The White House has ruled out a bilateral agreement any time soon.".

 

The White House said no such thing, it was your statement, not theirs.

 

I think Trump calls it False News.......Well done.

https://www.google.co.th/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trade-deal-with-britain-is-low-priority-us-signals-qz80pvqjb&ved=0ahUKEwjb5syHxOnUAhXIYo8KHTxyA7QQFghsMAk&usg=AFQjCNHXtnTmaed61nEO_KqCklYArdvsqw

[Srikcir]

6 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

https://www.google.co.th/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trade-deal-with-britain-is-low-priority-us-signals-qz80pvqjb&ved=0ahUKEwjb5syHxOnUAhXIYo8KHTxyA7QQFghsMAk&usg=AFQjCNHXtnTmaed61nEO_KqCklYArdvsqw

Also,

"No US-UK trade deal will be possible until long after Britain has left the EU in March 2019 – and talks could take several years."

https://www.ft.com/content/63f5ce09-ef97-3a53-aaf0-fe1c3fa8e844?mhq5j=e2

 

[nauseus]

12 hours ago, Grouse said:

UK already written out of French school books.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/french-schoolchildren-taught-uk-is-no-longer-an-eu-member-state-a7817981.html

 

Well done the Brexiteers!

Good looking map - well done Froggies!

 

 

[nauseus]

10 hours ago, elliss said:

 

 Better not  to  contemplate , facts , really .

     JC , will be  PM ,  fact , Amen .

Yes, amen UK. 

[pitrevie]

24 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

https://www.google.co.th/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trade-deal-with-britain-is-low-priority-us-signals-qz80pvqjb&ved=0ahUKEwjb5syHxOnUAhXIYo8KHTxyA7QQFghsMAk&usg=AFQjCNHXtnTmaed61nEO_KqCklYArdvsqw

 

Wilbur Ross the US Commerce Secretary is already on record saying, "Brexit is a ‘God-given opportunity’ to steal trade from UK"

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, mommysboy said:

About Starmer:

He also criticised the “untested thesis” that leaving the customs union in order to strike free trade deals with non-EU countries would definitely be beneficial to Britain, describing the idea as “uncosted, un-risk assessed and untested”.

 

That is exactly the point that concerns me, and presumably spreadsheet Phil, another politician that has impressed.  He commented that whatever type pf Brexit people voted for it wasn't one that would make them poorer.

 

Assuming the economy continues to deteriorate while peers grow, at what point would the Brexiteers accept that leaving is futile?  A flatlining economy for a decade, a small recession, a depression over 5 years and 10 points off GDP?  This isn't just about winning a vote.  The question on the ballot paper didn't say 'at any cost'.

The question on the ballot paper didn't say 'at any cost'.

 

No it didn't and it doesn't have room for endless add-ons and edits from you lot either.

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

Of course figures are coming from the EU, who do you think is doing the books. The figures mentioned were always described as debt, not what was to be paid.

 

Nobody is pretending anything, it is a fact of life that any reporting media will present any information in a manner that suits them best but there are always those that will grab any opportunity to shout scare tactics. It is all a bit futile now, the vote is over and what will be will be irrespective of what the media portray.

The EU books are in the microwave, as ever.

[mommysboy]

1 hour ago, Srikcir said:

Maybe the poll should have asked: Do you want to keep your EU citizenship no matter the cost? Seems the Brexit referendum answered that question.

So we leave no matter the cost!  Leaving EU is simply that important?

 

 

[ilostmypassword]

55 minutes ago, nauseus said:

The EU books are in the microwave, as ever.

Care to cite some sources to back up your claim?

[mommysboy]

1 hour ago, Srikcir said:

Also,

"No US-UK trade deal will be possible until long after Britain has left the EU in March 2019 – and talks could take several years."

https://www.ft.com/content/63f5ce09-ef97-3a53-aaf0-fe1c3fa8e844?mhq5j=e2

 

This is a simple fact of economic life- telling it the way it is.  Flustered, et al, don't seem to realise how complex they are.

Edited July 2, 2017 by mommysboy

[mommysboy]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

The question on the ballot paper didn't say 'at any cost'.

 

No it didn't and it doesn't have room for endless add-ons and edits from you lot either.

Then what exactly did it mean (beyond the obvious)?  Because no one else seems to know?

 

Also, what lot is that?  I am neither for or against Brexit.  I am for prosperity and a good deal for the average Brit.

[pegman]

It's about to turn ugly.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4657812/Britain-brink-housing-price-collapse.html

Edited July 2, 2017 by pegman

[Kwasaki]

3 minutes ago, pegman said:

It's about to turn ugly.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4657812/Britain-brink-housing-price-collapse.html

Hows that, the link is blocked. 

[mommysboy]

17 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Hows that, the link is blocked. 

Britain 'is on the brink of the worst house price collapse since 1990s': Experts predict property costs could plunge by FORTY PER CENT

There are already warning signs that prices are heading towards a near 40 per cent plunge, warns Paul Cheshire, Professor of Economic Geography at the London School of Economics.

 

A couple of extracts

 

[nauseus]

3 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

Britain 'is on the brink of the worst house price collapse since 1990s': Experts predict property costs could plunge by FORTY PER CENT

There are already warning signs that prices are heading towards a near 40 per cent plunge, warns Paul Cheshire, Professor of Economic Geography at the London School of Economics.

 

A couple of extracts

 

Apart from his academic work he has spent time as an advisor and as a consultant for the European Commission, the World Bank, the OECD, the UN and other international organisations as well as the UK government, including being a member of the Expert Panel for the Barker Review of the Planning system, and an Academic Friend of the Eddington Transport Study.

 

.. A nod's as good as a wink to a blind bat, wink wink, nudge nudge, say no more?

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, mommysboy said:

Then what exactly did it mean (beyond the obvious)?  Because no one else seems to know?

 

Also, what lot is that?  I am neither for or against Brexit.  I am for prosperity and a good deal for the average Brit.

It was a referendum, not a questionnaire. You lot includes anyone that can't accept just that.