May ready for tough talks over Brexit

[tomacht8]

Yesterday the EU has decided new laws against wage dumping.

 

Now actually an argument of Brexit become law in the EU.

 

[SheungWan]

38 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

Yesterday the EU has decided new laws against wage dumping.

Now actually an argument of Brexit become law in the EU.

link?

Edited October 24, 2017 by SheungWan

[adammike]

On 23/10/2017 at 8:51 AM, SheungWan said:

In those days the way to Amsterdam was by train and ferry. Now the train is the luxury!

Got a Amsterdam - Liverpool return with easyJet for €105 as long as you book early,there are supposed to be direct trains from Amsterdam to London starting any time soon, they have to build a secure passport luggage screening facilities at Central station. 

[Khun Han]

Tusk puts his foot in it:

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41733429

[nauseus]

35 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

Tusk puts his foot in it:

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41733429

 

He (Tusk) added: "It is in fact up to London how this will end: with a good deal, no deal or no Brexit. But in each of these scenarios we will protect our common interest only by being together."

 

The EU set three initial conditions to be satisfied before any other progress is allowed and then Tusk says "it is in fact up to London". He is as moronic as JC Juncker & Co.

 

Article 50 exists for an exit, not a "no Brexit" and it mentions exit negotiations, not demands and stand-offs. The German MEP shows the right spirit. 

 

The EU hierarchy is getting progressively spooked by other election results and European internal problems that are surfacing apart from the UK referendum, and it deserves to be.

 

The economic (spooky debt) issue is on the back burner but it can't stay there for much longer either.

Edited October 24, 2017 by nauseus

[tomacht8]

8 hours ago, SheungWan said:

Link?

http://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKBN1CS1HL

Edited October 24, 2017 by tomacht8

[SheungWan]

5 hours ago, tomacht8 said:

http://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKBN1CS1HL

This appears to be more about salaries ie discriminatory employment law, rather than self-employed workers eg the so-called Polish plumber. Overseas workers in for example the NHS are not paid a different rate than native employees. Or hotel cleaners. So the 'postal' rules do not apply at least that is my reading on first pass.

[SheungWan]

Now Toyota kicking up, calling on UK to 'clear the fog' re Brexit negotiations. The process creating a lot of uncertainty re future of its manufacturing plant. 80-85% of production said to be exported to continental Europe. Announcement made at Tokyo Motor Show on Wednesday and reported in FT.

Edited October 25, 2017 by SheungWan

[tomacht8]

22 hours ago, SheungWan said:

This appears to be more about salaries ie discriminatory employment law, rather than self-employed workers eg the so-called Polish plumber. Overseas workers in for example the NHS are not paid a different rate than native employees. Or hotel cleaners. So the 'postal' rules do not apply at least that is my reading on first pass.

This new anti-dumping law (should be signed on 17.11.2017) is intended to regulate the cross-border despatch of cheap workers. e.g. many suppliers from low-wage EU countries are applying for larger construction contracts in high-wage EU countries. Due to the low wage level often these providers get the contracts because they can undercut the prices of domestic providers. With the new law the cheap providers are now forced to pay wages on the basis of the domestic wage level. 

Certainly also affects major construction projects in the UK.

 

Wonder why the brexiters do not praise the EU in this case.

This problem was often referred to as a pro brexit argument.

Edited October 25, 2017 by tomacht8

[tomacht8]

2 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

 

 

Edited October 25, 2017 by tomacht8

[Khun Han]

7 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

This new anti-dumping law (should be signed on 17.11.2017) is intended to regulate the cross-border despatch of cheap workers. e.g. many suppliers from low-wage EU countries are applying for larger construction contracts in high-wage EU countries. Due to the low wage level often these providers get the contracts because they can undercut the prices of domestic providers. With the new law the cheap providers are now forced to pay wages on the basis of the domestic wage level. 

Certainly also affects major construction projects in the UK.

 

Wonder why the brexiters do not praise the EU in this case.

This problem was often referred to as a pro brexit argument.

 

We don't praise it because it has been done solely to protect big construction companies in the richer member states. If you knew the first thing about the construction industry (I do: my company has worked in it for over thirty years), you would know that the big companies were and continue to be at the vanguard of importing cheap labour from the poorer EU countries. This has forced down, and continues to force down wages in their industry. It should be obvious even to the legally blind that this concept is one of the main drivers for the globalists. Second and third world countries are only allowed access to the money tree when it is in the interests of the big players of the first world. The EU is a major part of their project.

[tomacht8]

3 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

We don't praise it because it has been done solely to protect big construction companies in the richer member states. If you knew the first thing about the construction industry (I do: my company has worked in it for over thirty years), you would know that the big companies were and continue to be at the vanguard of importing cheap labour from the poorer EU countries. This has forced down, and continues to force down wages in their industry. It should be obvious even to the legally blind that this concept is one of the main drivers for the globalists. Second and third world countries are only allowed access to the money tree when it is in the interests of the big players of the first world. The EU is a major part of their project.

So this new law is not good?

Brexit will stop then the globalists?

[Khun Han]

9 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

So this new law is not good?

Brexit will stop then the globalists?

 

The new law will patently make no difference to ordinary people in the more successful member states.

It's difficult to see what, if anything, in the long-term, will stop the unsavoury version of globalism we have. Though brexit will laudably slow it down.

Edited October 25, 2017 by Khun Han

[tomacht8]

2 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

The new law will patently make no difference to ordinary people in the more successful member states.

It's difficult to see what, if anything. in the long-term, will stop the unsavoury version of globalism we have. Though brexit will laudably slow it down.

think also the brexit will slow down the whole, especially the economy.

The big global companies then simply move on and look for production sites where the pay level is cheaper. Whether it will be the ordinary people become then the winners? I have my doubts.

[Khun Han]

11 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

think also the brexit will slow down the whole, especially the economy.

The big global companies then simply move on and look for production sites where the pay level is cheaper. Whether it will be the ordinary people become then the winners? I have my doubts.

 

The big global companies will use their power and influence to compromise any democracy/politics which affects their plans and profits. If, at the end of the day, it will be more practical and cost effective to stay mostly where they are (as it usually is), then they will stay.

[SheungWan]

Tory MP revolt mooted over parliamentary authority on Brexit deal: http://tinyurl.com/ycmqhlhs

Edited October 27, 2017 by SheungWan

[Grouse]

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-negotiations-insider-government-theresa-may-cliff-edge-european-union-ministers-a8025716.html

 

May must be hoping for NK to deflect attention!

[wakeupplease]

On 10/22/2016 at 9:07 AM, GinBoy2 said:

I've talked to many of my British friends, and as far as I can tell none of them could actually tell me what they voted for, those that voted 'out'.

Where these friends located in LOS and not able to keep up with what was being said and felt back in the home country? When your feet are on the ground and you talk to fellow Brits that is not the story you will hear. They want their country back as they are fed up the the imposed immigration, the amount of money they have to pay to the EU while others like France hold out their hands every week.

 

Once a month the party moves to Strasbourg at a cost of over a million, just so the French can earn a little more.

 

If you where in the UK you would see that more people want to move there than anywhere else in the world (fact Google It). Granted many are now also thinking of moving due to Brexit.

 

This was one of the big scams seen on Television recently. Some arrive here to get work and claim for the kids back home, return home after a few months 10 and guess what they have another kid to claim for and bring it to the UK to show the claims office. Then take it back to the natural parents after the claim was processed. Time and time again this goes on. BBC cameras secretly filmed it. Hey nice house he has out there and a business employing 5 family members, yet like so many others stays in the UK. Not just one either.

 

The EU is one big rip off and the only reason they are trying to delay the UK leaving is Britain will succeed as we always have done and the EU will fall.

 

I for one am fed up with my taxes going to the likes of Romania to help them when in the UK there are fellow Brits who also need help. We are the biggest giver to the world in hard cash in foreign aid at  £13.3bn for 2016, that's enough, time to look after our own, we have given enough to others over the years.

 

I have asked this a few times Why is it we pay to the EU twice the amount that France does, no one of the anti Brexit people can answer that.

 

For those who still want to stay in, go back to the UK and start paying taxes so we can pay your money to the EU, when you do that which you will not I may think again.

 

You are two far away to keep up with what is going on

 

EU Army no way and you know why or should do.

 

EU 'superstate' fear as Brussels chief Juncker plots for Chancellor for the whole of Europe

One of the new plans from Juncker who by the way was interviewed waking up 3 flights of stairs 3 nights ago. at the top which he only just made he nearly collapsed. Do you want people like him running your life? We had enough of Hitler, this <deleted> is worse.

 

Brexit and then even you miles away will be better off.

 

[SheungWan]

1 hour ago, wakeupplease said:

Where these friends located in LOS and not able to keep up with what was being said and felt back in the home country? When your feet are on the ground and you talk to fellow Brits that is not the story you will hear. They want their country back as they are fed up the the imposed immigration, the amount of money they have to pay to the EU while others like France hold out their hands every week.

Once a month the party moves to Strasbourg at a cost of over a million, just so the French can earn a little more.

If you where in the UK you would see that more people want to move there than anywhere else in the world (fact Google It). Granted many are now also thinking of moving due to Brexit.

This was one of the big scams seen on Television recently. Some arrive here to get work and claim for the kids back home, return home after a few months 10 and guess what they have another kid to claim for and bring it to the UK to show the claims office. Then take it back to the natural parents after the claim was processed. Time and time again this goes on. BBC cameras secretly filmed it. Hey nice house he has out there and a business employing 5 family members, yet like so many others stays in the UK. Not just one either.

The EU is one big rip off and the only reason they are trying to delay the UK leaving is Britain will succeed as we always have done and the EU will fall.

I for one am fed up with my taxes going to the likes of Romania to help them when in the UK there are fellow Brits who also need help. We are the biggest giver to the world in hard cash in foreign aid at  £13.3bn for 2016, that's enough, time to look after our own, we have given enough to others over the years.

I have asked this a few times Why is it we pay to the EU twice the amount that France does, no one of the anti Brexit people can answer that.

For those who still want to stay in, go back to the UK and start paying taxes so we can pay your money to the EU, when you do that which you will not I may think again.

You are two far away to keep up with what is going on

EU Army no way and you know why or should do.

EU 'superstate' fear as Brussels chief Juncker plots for Chancellor for the whole of Europe

One of the new plans from Juncker who by the way was interviewed waking up 3 flights of stairs 3 nights ago. at the top which he only just made he nearly collapsed. Do you want people like him running your life? We had enough of Hitler, this <deleted> is worse.

Brexit and then even you miles away will be better off.

Indeed. Yes. And as soon as Brexit has been implemented London is going to push in a similar fashion to have shut down all those subsidies for the Provincial counties which Londoners have to subsidize from real job taxes . As Lord Tebbit so beautifully put it: 'On Yer Bike!' Time those workshy Northerners get with the project in Real Time! Onwards and Upwards!

Edited October 29, 2017 by SheungWan

[nontabury]

10 hours ago, SheungWan said:

Indeed. Yes. And as soon as Brexit has been implemented London is going to push in a similar fashion to have shut down all those subsidies for the Provincial counties which Londoners have to subsidize from real job taxes . As Lord Tebbit so beautifully put it: 'On Yer Bike!' Time those workshy Northerners get with the project in Real Time! Onwards and Upwards!

For some reason, I don’t think your included amongst SOME.

[Grouse]

13 hours ago, wakeupplease said:

Where these friends located in LOS and not able to keep up with what was being said and felt back in the home country? When your feet are on the ground and you talk to fellow Brits that is not the story you will hear. They want their country back as they are fed up the the imposed immigration, the amount of money they have to pay to the EU while others like France hold out their hands every week.

 

Once a month the party moves to Strasbourg at a cost of over a million, just so the French can earn a little more.

 

If you where in the UK you would see that more people want to move there than anywhere else in the world (fact Google It). Granted many are now also thinking of moving due to Brexit.

 

This was one of the big scams seen on Television recently. Some arrive here to get work and claim for the kids back home, return home after a few months 10 and guess what they have another kid to claim for and bring it to the UK to show the claims office. Then take it back to the natural parents after the claim was processed. Time and time again this goes on. BBC cameras secretly filmed it. Hey nice house he has out there and a business employing 5 family members, yet like so many others stays in the UK. Not just one either.

 

The EU is one big rip off and the only reason they are trying to delay the UK leaving is Britain will succeed as we always have done and the EU will fall.

 

I for one am fed up with my taxes going to the likes of Romania to help them when in the UK there are fellow Brits who also need help. We are the biggest giver to the world in hard cash in foreign aid at  £13.3bn for 2016, that's enough, time to look after our own, we have given enough to others over the years.

 

I have asked this a few times Why is it we pay to the EU twice the amount that France does, no one of the anti Brexit people can answer that.

 

For those who still want to stay in, go back to the UK and start paying taxes so we can pay your money to the EU, when you do that which you will not I may think again.

 

You are two far away to keep up with what is going on

 

EU Army no way and you know why or should do.

 

EU 'superstate' fear as Brussels chief Juncker plots for Chancellor for the whole of Europe

One of the new plans from Juncker who by the way was interviewed waking up 3 flights of stairs 3 nights ago. at the top which he only just made he nearly collapsed. Do you want people like him running your life? We had enough of Hitler, this <deleted> is worse.

 

Brexit and then even you miles away will be better off.

 

Well! Quite a polemic! I like that!

 

You're incorrect in your judgement but you are clearly no numpty!

 

France actually pays in more than the EU but receives back far more. Looking at GDP per person and total GDP the net contribution should be much closer. The Thatcher rebate should actually have us in a better position. Who is actually negotiating for us?

 

As far as migration is concerned, USA and Germany are way ahead. Excluding China and Japan, migration seems to corrolate with GDP. France, Italy and Canada are all up there.

 

Foreign aid is a good thing. Soft power helps us immensely and we build future business relationships. Having said that, I don't think we manage it rationally or sensibly.

 

I am in favour of progressive redistribution of wealth in general. Partly because it's good economics. Ensuring that Rotherham and Sofia get more than they pay builds the future economy.

 

So, on balance, I think remaining and negotiating change from a position of strength NOT weakness is the better way.

 

(don't worry about Junker, that's not where power lies)

[aright]

5 hours ago, Grouse said:

 

So, on balance, I think remaining and negotiating change from a position of strength NOT weakness is the better way.

 

 

In Mastermind parlance I think this is referred to as Specialist Subject   "Stating the bloody obvious"  

Between 2009 and 2014 the UK was outvoted in 98% of the cases covering budgets and 92% covering constitutional and inter institutional  affairs in the EU Parliament. 

With only 10% of the votes in the EU Parliament it hardly puts us in a good negotiating position does it?

The EU wants even more integration, a continental army, a single asylum agency, more budgetary and tax integration all this while ignoring regional and national uprisings that reject the values and ambitions  of the Brussels cabal.

For the fourth time of asking can you tell us what you perceive our position of strength to be and how we could use it within the EU to negotiate and realise our ambitions? 

  

Edited October 30, 2017 by aright

[rockingrobin]

1 hour ago, aright said:

In Mastermind parlance I think this is referred to as Specialist Subject   "Stating the bloody obvious"  

Between 2009 and 2014 the UK was outvoted in 98% of the cases covering budgets and 92% covering constitutional and inter institutional  affairs in the EU Parliament. 

With only 10% of the votes in the EU Parliament it hardly puts us in a good negotiating position does it?

The EU wants even more integration, a continental army, a single asylum agency, more budgetary and tax integration all this while ignoring regional and national uprisings that reject the values and ambitions  of the Brussels cabal.

For the fourth time of asking can you tell us what you perceive our position of strength to be and how we could use it within the EU to negotiate and realise our ambitions? 

  

The UKs  position of strength can be highlighted from its current position of cherry picking which part projects it can opt into as well as opt out .

 2 examples ,

the UK opts out of  shengen , but chooses to opt in the shengen information system. 

UK opts into the Dublin arrangements , but opts out of the quota system.

On Brexit the UK will want to remain part of these arrangements , but whether it will be allowed to keep its current opt outs is not guaranteed

[Grouse]

1 hour ago, aright said:

In Mastermind parlance I think this is referred to as Specialist Subject   "Stating the bloody obvious"  

Between 2009 and 2014 the UK was outvoted in 98% of the cases covering budgets and 92% covering constitutional and inter institutional  affairs in the EU Parliament. 

With only 10% of the votes in the EU Parliament it hardly puts us in a good negotiating position does it?

The EU wants even more integration, a continental army, a single asylum agency, more budgetary and tax integration all this while ignoring regional and national uprisings that reject the values and ambitions  of the Brussels cabal.

For the fourth time of asking can you tell us what you perceive our position of strength to be and how we could use it within the EU to negotiate and realise our ambitions? 

  

Yes

 

Dont read the express

 

https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims-uk-influence/

 

Recent changes within EU countries have improved our leverage

 

Man up, gents, we Brits have strength!

Edited October 30, 2017 by Grouse

[vogie]

10 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Yes

 

Dont read the express

 

https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims-uk-influence/

 

Recent changes within EU countries have improved our leverage

 

Man up, gents, we Brits have strength!

The only thing strong about you grouse is your socks! ?

[Grouse]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

The only thing strong about you grouse is your socks! ?

At least they can stand up for themselves!

[aright]

25 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Yes

 

Dont read the express

 

https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims-uk-influence/

 

Recent changes within EU countries have improved our leverage

 

Man up, gents, we Brits have strength!

Sometimes you have to ask the question who is watching the watch dog?

http://enzaferreri.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/uk-fact-checker-full-fact-not-impartial.html#axzz4wzMMbWRe

 

You are right we Brits have strength(s) unfortunately for your argument they are outside the EU not inside.

Au contraire, recent changes in the EU (elections and uprisings) have weakened our hand not strengthened it.

All that aside, I repeat the question, what are our  specific strengths that would allow us to negotiate and realise our ambitions within the EU. No generalities about leverage please, specifics. 

[Orac]

Sometimes you have to ask the question who is watching the watch dog?
http://enzaferreri.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/uk-fact-checker-full-fact-not-impartial.html#axzz4wzMMbWRe
 
You are right we Brits have strength(s) unfortunately for your argument they are outside the EU not inside.
Au contraire, recent changes in the EU (elections and uprisings) have weakened our hand not strengthened it.
All that aside, I repeat the question, what are our  specific strengths that would allow us to negotiate and realise our ambitions within the EU. No generalities about leverage please, specifics. 

A blog by the Press Officer for LibertyGB is hardly a credible source - this lot were too racist for UKIP and fielded Former BNP member Jack Buckby in the Jo Cox by-election.


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[aright]

23 hours ago, Grouse said:

 

May must be hoping for NK to deflect attention!

I have been away for a few days. I am in Nong Khai next week; is there something going on there I should know about?

[aright]

10 minutes ago, Orac said:

 

A blog by the Press Officer for LibertyGB is hardly a credible source - this lot were too racist for UKIP and fielded Former BNP member Jack Buckby in the Jo Cox by-election.


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I personally find some of her ideas interesting and thought provoking. We are all at liberty to agree or disagree but imo it would be wrong to dismiss her without consideration. There are two sides to every coin.

 http://www.frontpagemag.com/author/enza-ferreri