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1 minute ago, DavidVincent said:

what the current administration are doing is setting up a political platform and framework of rules were an elected government might just manage to go full term without bringing massive deadly protest onto the streets 

 

1 minute ago, DavidVincent said:

You know perfectly this is not the goal of the current "PM".

are you telling me how I should think

 

 

Most sensible people that post on this forum have been calling for severe penalties for those (especially in office) for corruption and other state level crimes, I for one think the death penalty in this instance is rather severe but I welcome the direction 

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Posted
Just now, smedly said:

 

are you telling me how I should think

 

 

Most sensible people that post on this forum have been calling for severe penalties for those (especially in office) for corruption and other state level crimes, I for one think the death penalty in this instance is rather severe but I welcome the direction 

I am not telling you what you should know, I am telling you what is happening and you just use a blindfold because of some incomprehensible "attraction" to the PM junta.

Death penalty is stupid, is inefficient and will not prevent any corruption as those using graft are the same ones who are never charged.

As you re quite quick to welcome this direction, you would also welcome tackling the corruption in the army, right? You should be the first one to want the death penalty for let say a brother of a certain PM who clearly took advantage of his brother position? you should be the first to complain about the lack of transparency for the park close to Hua Hin as well... so many scandals which were shut down by the Army...or do they have some special privileges in your opinion?

Posted
46 minutes ago, DavidVincent said:

You know perfectly this is not the goal of the current "PM".

 

 

So prey tell, what is the goal of the current PM?

Posted
31 minutes ago, DavidVincent said:

I am not telling you what you should know, I am telling you what is happening

you are giving your own exclusive opinion about what you think is happening, I will reserve the right to my own

 

I know what needs to be done to fix this country and in "my opinion" although not perfect - it is going in the right direction

Posted
1 minute ago, smedly said:

you are giving your own exclusive opinion about what you think is happening, I will reserve the right to my own

 

I know what needs to be done to fix this country and in "my opinion" although not perfect - it is going in the right direction

Well let's agree to disagree about your opinion on Death penalty, however I am curious if you think your opinion is applicable for the army and those currently in charge as well...

Posted
1 minute ago, scorecard said:

 

 

So prey tell, what is the goal of the current PM?

I told it in a previous post: weaken the political parties, giving the army the free hands to overrule any law they deem not "suitable" (to them or the historical establishment), threaten the political parties to follow "their roadmap" or...,and other things which are not not allowed to discuss here fr obvious reasons..

Posted
58 minutes ago, smedly said:

do you really have to resort to cheap insults and name calling to get your point across

I don't see any insult in my post, just sarcasm. And yet, you still go on avoiding the core claim of the OP.

Do you think it is fair to make a law that applies only to others, and to carefully avoid targeting the army and their allies? If they are so virtuous why don't they show example by applying first the law to themselves? 

Posted
10 minutes ago, smedly said:

you are giving your own exclusive opinion about what you think is happening, I will reserve the right to my own

 

I know what needs to be done to fix this country and in "my opinion" although not perfect - it is going in the right direction

 

Smedly, no malice but want to ask you whether after 19 coups and 20 constitutions; do you think this time they finally got it right and will move 'as you said' in the right direction. If you say yes, like to get your opinion as to why this time it's different. 

Posted (edited)

Big parties should not worry :)

After lining their pockets the usual way, they will be proven guilty, sentenced to death and then released on bail.... :cheesy::cheesy:

 

Rumor said they are building new condos in Dubai and Emirates since the announcement of the new law: on opposite sides of the city to accommodate all parties 

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Posted
2 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

 

Smedly, no malice but want to ask you whether after 19 coups and 20 constitutions; do you think this time they finally got it right and will move 'as you said' in the right direction. If you say yes, like to get your opinion as to why this time it's different. 

may I suggest you do some research of my previous posts, I have made my opinion quite clear on many occasions and also an explanation at to why I have it

 

Thailands failure to have a stable democracy is primarily because of corruption and greed, the reason for the corruption and greed is because they can, there has never been a strong enough constitution and supporting laws and agencies to stop it - yes they have failed many many times going over the same cycle again and again, I have never said this current admin are perfect and at times been severely critical but.......................I do believe there is a concerted effort to get it right this time, only time will prove me right - for now I wait to see how this turns out

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16 minutes ago, smedly said:

may I suggest you do some research of my previous posts, I have made my opinion quite clear on many occasions and also an explanation at to why I have it

 

Thailands failure to have a stable democracy is primarily because of corruption and greed, the reason for the corruption and greed is because they can, there has never been a strong enough constitution and supporting laws and agencies to stop it - yes they have failed many many times going over the same cycle again and again, I have never said this current admin are perfect and at times been severely critical but.......................I do believe there is a concerted effort to get it right this time, only time will prove me right - for now I wait to see how this turns out

 

We can only wish that coup leaders have honesty in their hearts to rid corruption and greed for all and not for some. Somehow, media and internet control don't seem to be associated with corruption and greed. As you said, let's wait and see how this turn out. 

Posted (edited)
21 minutes ago, smedly said:

may I suggest you do some research of my previous posts, I have made my opinion quite clear on many occasions and also an explanation at to why I have it

 

Thailands failure to have a stable democracy is primarily because of corruption and greed, the reason for the corruption and greed is because they can, there has never been a strong enough constitution and supporting laws and agencies to stop it - yes they have failed many many times going over the same cycle again and again, I have never said this current admin are perfect and at times been severely critical but.......................I do believe there is a concerted effort to get it right this time, only time will prove me right - for now I wait to see how this turns out

" I do believe there is a concerted effort to get it right this time "

You mean a concerted effort to get it to the right pockets only...

For now time plays against you I am afraid: censorship, abuse of 112, international concern about Human rights, past/present/future amnesty for the army, no criticism of the army or the nepotism of its members...it seems to go quite well on tracks...As long as you say you want all corruption tackled but do not accept the fact that the Army is a huge corrupted element in Thailand, you cannot be credible...and there is no hate or despise about you...

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Posted
1 hour ago, smedly said:

what the current administration are doing is setting up a political platform and framework of rules were an elected government might just manage to go full term without bringing massive deadly protest onto the streets 

Taksin Shinawatr did that - the only one so far, I believe.

Posted
57 minutes ago, DavidVincent said:

I told it in a previous post: weaken the political parties, giving the army the free hands to overrule any law they deem not "suitable" (to them or the historical establishment), threaten the political parties to follow "their roadmap" or...,and other things which are not not allowed to discuss here fr obvious reasons..

 

Well how enlightening, perhaps you could elude to the reasons why it's all happening this way. 

Posted
21 minutes ago, DavidVincent said:

" I do believe there is a concerted effort to get it right this time "

You mean a concerted effort to get it to the right pockets only...

For now time plays against you I am afraid: censorship, abuse of 112, international concern about Human rights, past/present/future amnesty for the army, no criticism of the army or the nepotism of its members...it seems to go quite well on tracks...As long as you say you want all corruption tackled but do not accept the fact that the Army is a huge corrupted element in Thailand, you cannot be credible...and there is no hate or despise about you...

 

 

Did he actually say he does not accept that the army is corrupt?

Posted
47 minutes ago, CantSpell said:

Big parties should not worry :)

After lining their pockets the usual way, they will be proven guilty, sentenced to death and then released on bail.... :cheesy::cheesy:

 

Rumor said they are building new condos in Dubai and Emirates since the announcement of the new law: on opposite sides of the city to accommodate all parties 

 

 

How interesting, I wonder who the developer of the condos is in Dubai. A long-term 'visitor' there has a good connection to a property development company here in the LOS.  

Posted
26 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

 

We can only wish that coup leaders have honesty in their hearts to rid corruption and greed for all and not for some. Somehow, media and internet control don't seem to be associated with corruption and greed. As you said, let's wait and see how this turn out. 

 

 

" ...leaders have honesty in their hearts to rid corruption and greed for all...

 

Nice wish list and would be a nice change from the last mob.

Posted
10 hours ago, trogers said:

Because history has shown political parties have buy and sell positions en mass, like acquisitions and mergers of the corporate world.

 

 

And with very big cash flow...

Posted
5 hours ago, scorecard said:

 

 

Did he actually say he does not accept that the army is corrupt?

No, he just constantly goes on about how the army will clean up Thai society and ignores all the corruption and abuses of the army.

Posted
15 hours ago, scorecard said:

 

Well how enlightening, perhaps you could elude to the reasons why it's all happening this way. 

As you know certain topics are forbidden to talk about on TV, feel free to come in MP if needed, if you're too blind to see what is currently happening in Thailand now I can't do nothing to convince you...

Posted
16 hours ago, smedly said:

you are giving your own exclusive opinion about what you think is happening, I will reserve the right to my own

 

I know what needs to be done to fix this country and in "my opinion" although not perfect - it is going in the right direction

 

Did General Suchinda have the right idea?

Posted
2 hours ago, DavidVincent said:

As you know certain topics are forbidden to talk about on TV, feel free to come in MP if needed, if you're too blind to see what is currently happening in Thailand now I can't do nothing to convince you...

eyes wide shut

 

you seem to go on and on being critical of everyone that posts an opinion or suggestion about how Thailand can move forward and yet you offer absolutely nothing

 

This country has major problems and has had for years - some blame the military and yet only for their intervention there would likely have been civil war over and over, the root cause is elected governments that simply cannot behave themselves, have you actually noticed that when the military step in they do not try to cling to power, they attempt to write another charter that might fix the issues and doesn't - why does that happen ? well it is simple, they just don't have the skills to get it right - in comes the next elected government and they spend the first 2 years in office trying to get rid of all the stuff that stops them from thieving, a constitution should be solid and written is such a way that it is almost impossible to change, a fine example is the USA - it takes years and years to even attempt to amend the US constitution

 

Lets get some perspective on things, Obama is caught thieving from the US people, he goes to court and is convicted - on appeal while on bail he does a runner to Columbia with multi billions of dollars - 2 years later his sister is elected PM because they offer all the kids a free Tablet computer - give everyone that buys a new car 5000 dollars - double the minimum wage and say they will  buy all farm produce at double the market price - number one goal - get elected at any cost, then spends the next 2 years trying to ram through an amnesty bill for himself............................. seriously, that is some fairytale stuff right there

 

every functioning democracy on the planet needs a structure for it to work, Thailand is a fine example of how everything breaks down when the rule book can simply be ignored or changed  - as a democracy it is a 20 times failure - it has never worked because there are too many people thieving - the people are now getting wise to it probably because of social media

 

Thailand has been retarded for a very long time simply because they lack the skills or even the will to pull their heads out of their (deleted), too many have been enriching themselves for a very long time, some on here go on about the people and why they keep electing them - well it is simple, up until now 500baht bought a vote - village heads leading their flock to the polling stations and you had the same cronies in office year after year filling their boots......................there is no doubt about the huge amounts of money involved ..................................... one thing is for sure - it has to stop - no elected government wants to stop it for very obvious reasons.........................a well written constitution will stop it, powerful agencies that enforce checks and balances will stop it - who is in a position to introduce such things ?

Posted
53 minutes ago, smedly said:

eyes wide shut

 

you seem to go on and on being critical of everyone that posts an opinion or suggestion about how Thailand can move forward and yet you offer absolutely nothing

 

This country has major problems and has had for years - some blame the military and yet only for their intervention there would likely have been civil war over and over,

It was at that point I simply stopped reading. 

Posted
1 minute ago, Eric Loh said:

 

Coward. I read on and regretted.

 

Good for you!

 

Regretted on holding onto anti-establishment views or regretted taking off those blinkers?

Posted
1 hour ago, smedly said:

eyes wide shut

 

you seem to go on and on being critical of everyone that posts an opinion or suggestion about how Thailand can move forward and yet you offer absolutely nothing

 

This country has major problems and has had for years - some blame the military and yet only for their intervention there would likely have been civil war over and over, the root cause is elected governments that simply cannot behave themselves, have you actually noticed that when the military step in they do not try to cling to power, they attempt to write another charter that might fix the issues and doesn't - why does that happen ? well it is simple, they just don't have the skills to get it right - in comes the next elected government and they spend the first 2 years in office trying to get rid of all the stuff that stops them from thieving, a constitution should be solid and written is such a way that it is almost impossible to change, a fine example is the USA - it takes years and years to even attempt to amend the US constitution

 

Lets get some perspective on things, Obama is caught thieving from the US people, he goes to court and is convicted - on appeal while on bail he does a runner to Columbia with multi billions of dollars - 2 years later his sister is elected PM because they offer all the kids a free Tablet computer - give everyone that buys a new car 5000 dollars - double the minimum wage and say they will  buy all farm produce at double the market price - number one goal - get elected at any cost, then spends the next 2 years trying to ram through an amnesty bill for himself............................. seriously, that is some fairytale stuff right there

 

every functioning democracy on the planet needs a structure for it to work, Thailand is a fine example of how everything breaks down when the rule book can simply be ignored or changed  - as a democracy it is a 20 times failure - it has never worked because there are too many people thieving - the people are now getting wise to it probably because of social media

 

Thailand has been retarded for a very long time simply because they lack the skills or even the will to pull their heads out of their (deleted), too many have been enriching themselves for a very long time, some on here go on about the people and why they keep electing them - well it is simple, up until now 500baht bought a vote - village heads leading their flock to the polling stations and you had the same cronies in office year after year filling their boots......................there is no doubt about the huge amounts of money involved ..................................... one thing is for sure - it has to stop - no elected government wants to stop it for very obvious reasons.........................a well written constitution will stop it, powerful agencies that enforce checks and balances will stop it - who is in a position to introduce such things ?

In summary, you still maintain that corrupt military rule is better than corrupt democracy.  And you still maintain the ridiculous fiction that the country was near a civil war.

Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, smedly said:

eyes wide shut

 

you seem to go on and on being critical of everyone that posts an opinion or suggestion about how Thailand can move forward and yet you offer absolutely nothing

 

This country has major problems and has had for years - some blame the military and yet only for their intervention there would likely have been civil war over and over, the root cause is elected governments that simply cannot behave themselves, have you actually noticed that when the military step in they do not try to cling to power, they attempt to write another charter that might fix the issues and doesn't - why does that happen ? well it is simple, they just don't have the skills to get it right - in comes the next elected government and they spend the first 2 years in office trying to get rid of all the stuff that stops them from thieving, a constitution should be solid and written is such a way that it is almost impossible to change, a fine example is the USA - it takes years and years to even attempt to amend the US constitution

 

Lets get some perspective on things, Obama is caught thieving from the US people, he goes to court and is convicted - on appeal while on bail he does a runner to Columbia with multi billions of dollars - 2 years later his sister is elected PM because they offer all the kids a free Tablet computer - give everyone that buys a new car 5000 dollars - double the minimum wage and say they will  buy all farm produce at double the market price - number one goal - get elected at any cost, then spends the next 2 years trying to ram through an amnesty bill for himself............................. seriously, that is some fairytale stuff right there

 

every functioning democracy on the planet needs a structure for it to work, Thailand is a fine example of how everything breaks down when the rule book can simply be ignored or changed  - as a democracy it is a 20 times failure - it has never worked because there are too many people thieving - the people are now getting wise to it probably because of social media

 

Thailand has been retarded for a very long time simply because they lack the skills or even the will to pull their heads out of their (deleted), too many have been enriching themselves for a very long time, some on here go on about the people and why they keep electing them - well it is simple, up until now 500baht bought a vote - village heads leading their flock to the polling stations and you had the same cronies in office year after year filling their boots......................there is no doubt about the huge amounts of money involved ..................................... one thing is for sure - it has to stop - no elected government wants to stop it for very obvious reasons.........................a well written constitution will stop it, powerful agencies that enforce checks and balances will stop it - who is in a position to introduce such things ?

I am not being critical, except when it comes to people saying completely false things regarding Thai History :

"... have you actually noticed that when the military step in they do not try to cling to power ..."

Are you REALLY in Thailand ? The military not try to cling to power?? Man I don't know how you can say such thing when EVERY TIME the army was facing a government which didn't follow their goal they stepped in to remove them, EVERY TIME!.

I know :Thaksin clique is bad. We can all agree on his corruption, and yet, you still praise an Army which is equally if not more corrupted. You still do not answer : do you think a corrupted army, suffering from nepotism, Who has more generals than US in proportion to their population, while not being a threat or under a threat from any current country, can write the new charter?

Why, if the army is here to clean the corruption, don't they start with their own guys? Why the notoriously corrupted Police can still enjoy corruption nearly freely, why is there no enforcement of the law for the wealthy killers? (Red Bull, Central,...)

" the people are now getting wise to it probably because of social media "

Then why the army want to censor Internet and social media, muzzle the citizen?

" too many have been enriching themselves for a very long time "

One more time, why the army generals, PM and his brother firsts, are still so wealthy? Do not come with the inheritance, as any action from the newspaper to find more has been shut down or worse?

" well it is simple, up until now 500baht bought a vote "

We are still waiting for real clues and facts about that happening only on one side, if really happened....the real reason people in the North and poor in general voted to Thaksin, is because he was the first politician to speak to them...It is not also their love for Thaksin but their hate for people like Abhisit who, I remember you was NEVER elected and put as PM by the Army...we know how it went....

" who is in a position to introduce such things ? "

Certainly not a general, or the army who has deep links with a traditional establishment and do not give a sh!t about the poor..he works for/with this old establishment who wants to keep Thailand in the state it was decades ago.

Anyway If you answer my message, keep answering ALL the points we are discussing, not only the same : 500thb/Thaksin stuff...tell me about the army and its corruption, this is something, or am I just dreaming?

 

 

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Posted
21 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

 

Smedly, no malice but want to ask you whether after 19 coups and 20 constitutions; do you think this time they finally got it right and will move 'as you said' in the right direction. If you say yes, like to get your opinion as to why this time it's different. 

 

 

You mean just like many posters have asked you to give details., etc., of your many misleading, highly twisted and dishonest posts? 

Posted
1 hour ago, trogers said:

 

Good for you!

 

Regretted on holding onto anti-establishment views or regretted taking off those blinkers?

You should remove yours if you think the army is doing a good job for this country...All signals prove you wrong

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