Trump and Putin call for stronger nuclear forces

[alanrchase]

That's how I read the previous post, SA does not mean the SA  government. However, Osama bin Laden was not funded by the US to kill and terrorize innocent civilians.Your incongruent juxtaposition of the US and terrorism is a disingenuous prevarication, a lie!
 
It also seems US funding for Osama is literally untrue, Peter Bergman and many other sources who have studied it have said it never happened, only Robin Cook ever made such a claim, probably after misinterpreting various reports that bin Laden was happy to see US support for the Mujahideen. See:
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_CIA_assistance_to_Osama_bin_Laden

He was funded to kill people you were happy to be killed. As has oft been said one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter. At the end of the day the US government funded Osama.

[craigt3365]

1 hour ago, alanrchase said:

 

I agree that terrorism is funded by Saudi nationals. Directly funded by the Saudi government is questionable. Osama bin Laden was funded by the US government during the Russian occupation of Afghanistan.

 

Easy to provide funding indirectly. Isn't that what the US has also done at times? It's still providing financial support. As the Wikipedia article states.

[craigt3365]

3 hours ago, alanrchase said:

 

He was funded to kill people you were happy to be killed. As has oft been said one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter. At the end of the day the US government funded Osama.

According to that link, the US government did not fund Osama.  Seems he came about, along with Al Qaeda, due to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda

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Al-Qaeda (/ælˈkaɪdə/ or /ˌælkɑːˈiːdə/; Arabic: القاعدة‎‎ al-qāʿidah, Arabic: [ælqɑːʕɪdɐ], translation: "The Base", "The Foundation" or "The Fundament" and alternatively spelled al-Qaida, al-Qæda and sometimes al-Qa'ida) is a militant Sunni Islamist multi-national organization founded in 1988^[27] by Osama bin Laden, Abdullah Azzam,^[28] and several other Arab volunteers who fought against the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in the 1980s

 

[alanrchase]

 

Happy to accept that Osama was not directly funded by the US government. Follow the money and it ended up funding him. Deniability from a government.

[craigt3365]

19 minutes ago, alanrchase said:

 

Happy to accept that Osama was not directly funded by the US government. Follow the money and it ended up funding him. Deniability from a government.

You can also say that fuel you put in your car helped to fund him also.

[Nilats]

I think it's just theatrics on part of Trump. He's an actor/tycoon. He is making statements to appeal to the patriotic crowd at home. Just before he made the statements there was wild speculation that he was Putin's agent, employee and such. As soon as he made the statements - all these accusations disappeared, in fact immediately people started saying - oh no, this guy is even worse than Hillary.

 

His intentions to take on Putin could be as serious as this:

 

 

 

 

[alanrchase]

You can also say that fuel you put in your car helped to fund him also.

At 0.64 Riyal a litre the fuel was cheaper than bolted water. Don't get me wrong, am not America bashing. The world stage of nefarious acts is very murky.

[craigt3365]

26 minutes ago, alanrchase said:

 

At 0.64 Riyal a litre the fuel was cheaper than bolted water. Don't get me wrong, am not America bashing. The world stage of nefarious acts is very murky.

LOL.  I was in Turkmenistan not long ago.  Super cheap also.  But not in Europe or the rest of the West!

[Morch]

4 hours ago, Nilats said:

I think it's just theatrics on part of Trump. He's an actor/tycoon. He is making statements to appeal to the patriotic crowd at home. Just before he made the statements there was wild speculation that he was Putin's agent, employee and such. As soon as he made the statements - all these accusations disappeared, in fact immediately people started saying - oh no, this guy is even worse than Hillary.

 

His intentions to take on Putin could be as serious as this:

 

 

 

 

 

As soon as he made the statements - all these accusations disappeared, in fact immediately people started saying - oh no, this guy is even worse than Hillary.

 

I don't know that Trump was widely accused of "being Putin's agent or employee". At least not by serious commentators. However, the investigation into Russian interference with the recent US elections is ongoing, to the chagrin of some. Far as I recall, it was said that findings will be presented (probably not to the general public) beginning or middle of January. And no, many of those who opposed Trump already thought he'll be "worse than Hillary", so not much of a shift there.

 

Trump is issuing such statements pretty often, with the effect that people tend to forget the last one before the next kicks in. Could be a calculated tactic, could be an uncontrollable urge to express himself, or a bit of both.

 

[Nilats]

2 hours ago, Morch said:

 

As soon as he made the statements - all these accusations disappeared, in fact immediately people started saying - oh no, this guy is even worse than Hillary.

 

I don't know that Trump was widely accused of "being Putin's agent or employee". At least not by serious commentators. However, the investigation into Russian interference with the recent US elections is ongoing, to the chagrin of some. Far as I recall, it was said that findings will be presented (probably not to the general public) beginning or middle of January. And no, many of those who opposed Trump already thought he'll be "worse than Hillary", so not much of a shift there.

 

Trump is issuing such statements pretty often, with the effect that people tend to forget the last one before the next kicks in. Could be a calculated tactic, could be an uncontrollable urge to express himself, or a bit of both.

 

 

 

Of course - that's why he it did right at the time CIA was accusing Russia and Trump of this and that. Then the public was very confused how to interpret this giant onslaught on Trump and his legitimacy as president - if he wasn't accused, it was the growing public perception. And he fixed it with just a couple of tweets - the media and the public made a giant 180 degree turn and instead of saying he was secretly colluding with the Kremlin - that he was gonna be the madman who'd start WW3 - but it totally stopped the onslaught on his legitimacy. And he did it right before Christmas, the New Year and his eventual inauguration - so this will definitely be forgotten rather quickly. How much does it cost to make a couple of tweets? But how effective it is...

[Morch]

35 minutes ago, Nilats said:

 

 

Of course - that's why he it did right at the time CIA was accusing Russia and Trump of this and that. Then the public was very confused how to interpret this giant onslaught on Trump and his legitimacy as president - if he wasn't accused, it was the growing public perception. And he fixed it with just a couple of tweets - the media and the public made a giant 180 degree turn and instead of saying he was secretly colluding with the Kremlin - that he was gonna be the madman who'd start WW3 - but it totally stopped the onslaught on his legitimacy. And he did it right before Christmas, the New Year and his eventual inauguration - so this will definitely be forgotten rather quickly. How much does it cost to make a couple of tweets? But how effective it is...

 

The quite a a spin, Stalin would be proud.

 

The CIA was not accusing Trump of anything. Public attention will return to the Russian intervention in the US elections when information on developments will be available, quite possibly in a couple of weeks or so. Doubt it's going away so easy. Trump didn't "fix" anything, if that was even intended - focus was just temporarily diverted. Again, "colluding with the Kremlin" are your own words, not exactly what most commentaries were about.

 

And once more, public opinion in the US, especially when it comes to Trump is composed of many takes. Probably not an easy to grasp concept for some more familiar with other countries. Many of those who oppose Trump saw him as reckless from the start, it does not contradict neither his expressed views of Putin nor the Russian intervention with US elections. Trying to force the dichotomy isn't going to make it real.

 

Trump may, or may not, carry out his term on a line of Tweeter spins. I'm kinda sure that your term on this forum will, however, emulate the idea.