snoop1130 Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Police threaten to sue convicted school teacher if it was proven she was in the wrong The Royal Thai Police Office has thrown its full weight behind the Renoo Nakhon police and threatened to sue the convicted schoolteacher, Mrs Jomsap Saenmuangkote, for allegedly defaming the police office, if police fresh investigation into the hit-and-run incident reconfirms her wrongdoing. The police commissioner-general, Pol Gen Chakthip Chaichida, on Monday instructed the Association of Inquiry Officers to reinvestigate the case to find out the truth after Mrs Jomsap who was recently freed from prison claimed she was wrongfully charged. Representing the association, Pol Col Mana Pohchuey, superintendent of Thung Songhong police, told a press conference on Monday that the Renoo Nakhon police which investigated the hit-and-run case in 2005 did their job properly, quickly and justly in accordance with the book and had eyewitnesses to back up their charges against Mrs Jomsap. Also, he said forensic examination of the victim showed that he was struck on the left side of his body by a car. Full Story: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/police-threaten-sue-convicted-schoolteacher-proven-wrong/ -- © Copyright Thai PBS 2017-1-16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trogers Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 And if the office is wrong? What full weight should be pressed onto them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoop1130 Posted January 16, 2017 Author Share Posted January 16, 2017 ‘Wrongly jailed’ teacher’s case ‘correctly done’: Police By Coconuts Bangkok Photo: Thai News Agency A police commander said the investigator responsible for the case of a “wrongly jailed” schoolteacher did his job in accordance with laws and based on evidence. Pol.Col. Mana Pohchuay, secretary to Inquiry Official Association and commander of Toong Song Hong police, was ordered to check the case file of Jomsap Saenmuangkot, who claimed she spent a year and a half in prison for a hit-and-run death she wasn’t responsible for, Sanook reported. Mana said he found that the investigator of Renu Nakorn police station, Nakhon Phanom, completed the case file correctly, swiftly, and in accordance with the laws. The case file was accompanied by a witness statement from the crime scene, material evidence and forensic evidence. Full Story: http://bangkok.coconuts.co/2017/01/16/wrongly-jailed-teachers-case-correctly-done-police -- © Copyright Coconuts Bangkok 2017-1-16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinneil Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Case was done correctly, my ar.e. The police will make everything look like it was correct. Just a bunch of dishonest/ corrupt <deleted>. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkidlad Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Absolute children. Sorry if there are any children who are members. I imagine that's an insult to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 (edited) 36 minutes ago, snoop1130 said: Representing the association, Pol Col Mana Pohchuey, superintendent of Thung Songhong police, told a press conference on Monday that the Renoo Nakhon police which investigated the hit-and-run case in 2005 did their job properly, quickly and justly in accordance with the book and had eyewitnesses to back up their charges against Mrs Jomsap. Quickly yes. The rest...nope. Edited January 16, 2017 by Bluespunk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakeupplease Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 No wonder this country is close to bankruptcy all the courts time and Thai peoples money is going to Lawyers. Sue for this Sue for that and Police suing is a joke, time they woke up and realised the police here are rotten to the core, corrupt murdering cheating baskets on this earth. Proud to be a BIB are you? How much does it cost to get the police to do a case here that in most cases should be civil and not criminal. Zero bath is the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovelomsak Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Thai police can prove any thing they want. They will just make up what they need to prove the woman wrong and no one will be able to dispute it or they will get sued too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickenslegs Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 It's hard to believe that the police are still saying they did a good job. Link to the original Coconuts article... http://bangkok.coconuts.co/2017/01/10/woman-spends-15-years-jail-hit-and-run-murder-she-didnt-commit A couple of quotes from the article... Quote A police officer recognized the culprit’s car plate number, but unfortunately, he remembered the number incorrectly, he recalled the one that belongs to Jomsap instead. Quote Working with the Legal Aid Center, police found the real hit-and-runner who confessed to the crime in court, and thus can prove that Jomsap is innocent. The new trial is scheduled on Jan. 16. So (according to the article), the actual offender has been caught and admitted his crime, but the police are still determined to persecute the woman who they wrongly sent to prison. Sickening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 "Also, he said forensic examination of the victim showed that he was struck on the left side of his body by a car." Jomsap Saenmuangkot owned a car. Open and shut case then.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 1 minute ago, chickenslegs said: It's hard to believe that the police are still saying they did a good job. Link to the original Coconuts article... http://bangkok.coconuts.co/2017/01/10/woman-spends-15-years-jail-hit-and-run-murder-she-didnt-commit A couple of quotes from the article... So (according to the article), the actual offender has been caught and admitted his crime, but the police are still determined to persecute the woman who they wrongly sent to prison. Sickening. Nah, they just want her to stop highlighting their utter ineptitude and are hoping to bully her into silence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaltsc Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 (edited) "The Royal Thai Police Office has thrown its full weight behind the Renoo Nakhon police and threatened to sue the convicted schoolteacher, Mrs Jomsap Saenmuangkote, for allegedly defaming the police office, if police fresh investigation into the hit-and-run incident reconfirms her wrongdoing." Sounds more like a prediction than a threat...and a warning to all. Edited January 16, 2017 by jaltsc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clockman Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 The slander and libel laws, were put in place by criminals to protect criminals. Justice is a distant bell, rarely heard in Thailand! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasset Tak Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 If you read the full story on coconut then you see that the police will sue her if they find that she was guilty to the hit and run... which the court already ruled that she is not! The RTP say that people are slandering them and will sue them and then they come with comments like that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onthesoi Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 (edited) Jomsap, however, refused to give evidence to the investigator and insisted on giving her evidence in the court so the investigator only submitted the case file based on the evidence he had. “If she had protested and presented evidence to support her claim, the official would have investigated it,” said Pol.Col. Mana. “The case is now undergoing fact-checking in accordance with the Retrial of Criminal Case Act. It is too soon to make a conclusion about whether she was a scapegoat or not.” Edited January 16, 2017 by onthesoi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 (edited) Hardly surprising that this latest article from the police side of things entirely fails to mention that a male car owner and driver of a vehicle with the same or almost same license plate as the women's here has already confessed to being the driver involved in the crash, and provided documents showing the repair of crash damage to his car, according to prior media accounts. IIRC, another curious detail from the prior reports was the color of the car in the crash matched that of the guy's car, but the woman's car was an entirely different color, according to those prior media accounts. It's those kinds of elements that supposedly led the court to grant a re-trial or re-hearing of the case. Edited January 16, 2017 by TallGuyJohninBKK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Get Real Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Soon it will be: "School teacher sued for for not having the real culprits licence number, and for making him confess a crime she´s already proven guilty for. As a second case she will also be sued for not being a man." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 8 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said: IIRC, another curious detail from the prior reports was the color of the car in the crash matched that of the guy's car, but the woman's car was an entirely different color, according to those prior media accounts. It's those kinds of elements that supposedly led the court to grant a re-trial or re-hearing of the case. What I gathered from a recent television article on this case, to support their conviction the police claimed that she had her car repaired and resprayed another colour after the accident. This without any proof being presented (or requested) to support this claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 (edited) 16 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said: Hardly surprising that this latest article from the police side of things entirely fails to mention that a male car owner and driver of a vehicle with the same or almost same license plate as the women's here has already confessed to being the driver involved in the crash, and provided documents showing the repair of crash damage to his car, according to prior media accounts. IIRC, another curious detail from the prior reports was the color of the car in the crash matched that of the guy's car, but the woman's car was an entirely different color, according to those prior media accounts. It's those kinds of elements that supposedly led the court to grant a re-trial or re-hearing of the case. Apparently, the retrial of her case was supposed to start today, Jan. 16. Meanwhile, from the Jan. 13 report in The Nation: Quote Jomsap’s friend Rojana Jantharat had told Amarin TV that she and other friends had been trying to help Jomsap clear her name. She said she checked with the Land Transport Office and found that the car involved in the incident with registration number Bor Khor-56 wasn’t only available in Sakhon Nakhon but also other provinces. They narrowed it down to a green car registration plate and found an exact match of Bor Khor-56 Mukdahan. They traced to the car owner’s home and the owner eventually admitted he was once involved in a crash. He admitted he was involved in the Nakhon Phanom crash in 2005 but didn’t know that Jomsap had served a jail term. Quote After officials deemed that Jomsap was innocent, they found the real culprit who reportedly admitted the offence to court. He showed where he hid the car and the garage that repaired damage after the crash. As the suspect was a well-to-do man, the court was convinced he wasn’t hired to take the blame. http://www.nationmultimedia.com/news/national/30303942 Edited January 16, 2017 by TallGuyJohninBKK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
300sd Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 This lady is free after an number of months in prison. She is out on an amnesty. If she was really guilty she would not be doing this. You stupid police force. If you had any intelligence you wouldn't be insulting ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 (edited) From the posted article: Quote The officer said that during the inquiry process, the schoolteacher declined to to give full details about the case to the inquiry officer in charge of the case, claiming that she would only testify in court. Had she presented all her evidences to the police at the time, the officer in charge would have concluded the case perfectly. It sounds very much like the police were pressuring her for either a confession or some compensation for them to look the other way. Being an honest women who does not trust the police to do their job properly, she exercised her right to have her day in court. However, I would guess from the miscarriage of justice that was eventually revealed 15 years later, that court was already in the police pocket. The cops may have been guilty of a frame up but their prosecution was enabled by a judge so I hope a proper investigation goes after more than the low hanging fruit at the RTP. Edited January 16, 2017 by NanLaew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 If you can believe the report in the BKK Post the other day, the police were maintaining that they had no authority to reopen the criminal case, since the verdict had already been decided by a court. Only the court, the police said in the Post, could change or alter the original verdict. If the court in the retrial were to find the women innocent, then the police would reopen the original case and attempt to identify the actual suspect, according to the Post report. I'm not sure how it works in Thailand, but in my home country, the public prosecutors also play a role in filing and pursuing criminal cases. And if the public prosecutors in my country come to believe that someone was wrongly convicted, even after the fact, they can petition the original court to re-open the case with whatever new pertinent evidence exists. In fact, it's their duty to ensure that the correct guilty parties are prosecuted and innocent people are not. In Thailand and in this case, I haven't heard peepers about whatever role the prosecutors had in this case and what's the deal with them now, in light of the new, exonerating evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lensta Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 " the police may consider pressing another charge against her for ruining the reputation of the police force." Way way way to late to ruin the reputation of the RTP. Their reputation has been in tatters since Moses was a boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Offensive posts and replies have been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickenslegs Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 23 minutes ago, NanLaew said: What I gathered from a recent television article on this case, to support their conviction the police claimed that she had her car repaired and resprayed another colour after the accident. This without any proof being presented (or requested) to support this claim. If that is true, it begins to sound less like incompetence and more like a stitch-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakeupplease Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 13 minutes ago, lensta said: " the police may consider pressing another charge against her for ruining the reputation of the police force." Way way way to late to ruin the reputation of the RTP. Their reputation has been in tatters since Moses was a boy. Best comment of the week and its only Monday 10 out of 10 on this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onthesoi Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 She refused to talk to the police or refute any of the allegations during the initial investigation, so hardly surprising only one side of the story was presented in court and the resulting conviction. She could have simply requested a description of the car in question then presented her own car as counter evidence, the fact she didn't bother doing this at the time is very strange indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldgent Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 she has 2 hopes Bob Hope and No Hope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweatalot Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, wakeupplease said: No wonder this country is close to bankruptcy all the courts time and Thai peoples money is going to Lawyers. Sue for this Sue for that and Police suing is a joke, time they woke up and realised the police here are rotten to the core, corrupt murdering cheating baskets on this earth. Proud to be a BIB are you? How much does it cost to get the police to do a case here that in most cases should be civil and not criminal. Zero bath is the answer. Koh Tao comes to mind again they don't care to torture somebody (put into jail innocently) and destroy their life - they only care not to loose face (if they would only know it is gone long time ago - if it was there in the first place) and they don't seem to be ashamed even a little bit can't write here what I think about them Edited January 16, 2017 by sweatalot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PremiumLane Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Not enough face palms in the world for these clowns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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