webfact Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Refugee claimants from U.S. strain Canada's border resources By Allison Lampert and Anna Mehler Paperny REUTERS A family of four are taken into custody by Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) officers after crossing the U.S.-Canada border into Hemmingford, Quebec, Canada February 20, 2017. REUTERS/Christinne Muschi HEMMINGFORD, Quebec (Reuters) - Canadian police said on Monday they have bolstered their presence at the Quebec border and border authorities have created a temporary refugee centre to process a growing number of asylum seekers crossing from the United States. The Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA) said at a news conference that it has converted an unused basement into a refugee claimant processing centre. Both the border agency and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) are reassigning staff from other locations in the province, as needed, to accommodate rising demand. The CBSA said the number of people making refugee claims at Quebec-U.S. border crossings more than doubled between 2015 and 2016. Last month 452 people made claims compared to 137 in January 2016, the agency said. The influx is straining police, federal government and community resources from the prairie province of Manitoba, where people arrive frostbitten from hours walking in freezing conditions, to Quebec, where cabs drop asylum-seekers off meters away from the Quebec-U.S.border, the border agency said. A Reuters reporter on Monday saw RCMP officers take in for questioning a family of four - two men, a woman, and a baby in a carseat - who had walked across the snowy gully dividing Roxham Road in Champlain, New York, from Chemin Roxham in Hemmingford, Quebec. "Please explain to her that she's in Canada," one Canadian officer told another officer. Police take people crossing the border in for questioning at the border agency's office in Lacolle, Quebec, which is the province's biggest and busiest border crossing. Police identify them and ensure they are not a threat or carrying contraband. They are then transferred to the CBSA for fingerprinting and further questions. If anyone is deemed a threat or flight risk, they are detained. If not, they can file refugee claims and live in Canada while they wait for a decision. "It's touching, and we are not insensitive to that," Bryan Byrne, the RCMP's Champlain Detachment Commander, told reporters near the border. "Some of these people had a long journey. Some are not dressed for the climate here." Asylum-seekers cross illegally because Canada's policy under the Canada-U.S. Safe Third Country Agreement is to turn back refugees if they make claims at border crossings. But as U.S. President Donald Trump cracks down on illegal immigrants, Amnesty International and refugee advocacy groups are pressuring the Canadian government to abandon the agreement, arguing the United States is no safe haven. On Monday the city of Montreal, Quebec voted to declare itself a "sanctuary city," making it the fourth city in Canada to protect illegal immigrants and to provide services to them. (Writing by Anna Mehler Paperny in Toronto; editing by Diane Craft) -- © Copyright Reuters 2017-02-21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckamuck Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 They're not refugees. They are illegal aliens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somtamnication Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Surreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Usernames Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 20 million Mexicans heading to the Great White North. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamahele Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Any day now we'll hear the Canadian Prime Minister talking about building a "big wall" on their southern border.... or not.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamahele Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 13 minutes ago, Usernames said: 20 million Mexicans heading to the Great White North. I understand that most are actually African. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOTIRIOS Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 ...so Canadians can know firsthand now..... ...there are reasons why certain people are refused entry.... ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panda13 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Canada is just about to learn the true meaning of the term " the thin edge of the wedge". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveAustin Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Canadia () could do with burgeoning its populace a bit. Plenty of space for the new arrivals to settle into. Quebec is a good start, thin out the arrogant French influence a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangkok101 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 they will all freeze to death within a week of arriving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegman Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 53 minutes ago, daveAustin said: Canadia () could do with burgeoning its populace a bit. Plenty of space for the new arrivals to settle into. Quebec is a good start, thin out the arrogant French influence a bit. They are all being sent to Alberta so they can help keep the NDP in power for a good long time. This just proves that Trump has as much ability to control his borders as the Mexican President has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Any day now we'll hear that Canada will be imposing a tariff on imported US goods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 4 hours ago, canuckamuck said: They're not refugees. They are illegal aliens. The distinction isn't so simple nor as criminal as you imply. http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/whats-name-migrant-vs-refugee-vs-illegal-immigrant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegman Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 The last time there were this many refugees heading north they were the Veitnam War draft dodgers. They were the cowards that didn't have rich daddys like Donald "Sore Feet" Trump had to get them out of their obligation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagittarius6999 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Lets get this right 99%, will not be refugees they are economic migrants, why wont the authorities and media use the right term Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevkev1888 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 2 hours ago, kamahele said: Any day now we'll hear the Canadian Prime Minister talking about building a "big wall" on their southern border.... or not.... He invited them to come. #WelcomeToCanada Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anotheruser Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 452 people came in last month and this has overwhelmed their border resources? That is pathetic. Parts of the US border probably do that in a night. This is the tip of the iceberg here. These are rookie numbers, poor Canada 15 people a day crossed illegally. At least in Montreal they know that the majority of these people are in fact illegal immigrants... for those trying to raise distinctions in this regard when you illegally enter a country it means exactly that. "On Monday the city of Montreal, Quebec voted to declare itself a "sanctuary city," making it the fourth city in Canada to protect Illegal immigrants and to provide services to them." Why on earth would anybody in their right mind want their city to be known as a haven for illegals? What is going to be amusing is Canadians when they say crap about Trump and his policies being racist. They will have to lead by example and let every Tom, Dick and Harry in or risk being hypocrites. The louder they scream about Trump the more they will get bent over the barrel on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegman Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 14 minutes ago, anotheruser said: 452 people came in last month and this has overwhelmed their border resources? That is pathetic. Parts of the US border probably do that in a night. This is the tip of the iceberg here. These are rookie numbers, poor Canada 15 people a day crossed illegally. At least in Montreal they know that the majority of these people are in fact illegal immigrants... for those trying to raise distinctions in this regard when you illegally enter a country it means exactly that. "On Monday the city of Montreal, Quebec voted to declare itself a "sanctuary city," making it the fourth city in Canada to protect Illegal immigrants and to provide services to them." Why on earth would anybody in their right mind want their city to be known as a haven for illegals? What is going to be amusing is Canadians when they say crap about Trump and his policies being racist. They will have to lead by example and let every Tom, Dick and Harry in or risk being hypocrites. The louder they scream about Trump the more they will get bent over the barrel on this. Well I'm on the gound in Manitoba now and the only strain on gov agencies are at the small village at the border crossing. Emerson only has a few hundred people so what's there is being bolstered. The 452 were at a couple of border crossings in Quebec. Again these are small villages. Canada has no major cities on the border. We have only been invaded once since we have been known as Canada and that was by the USA. Therefore we like to keep a buffer zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anotheruser Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 45 minutes ago, pegman said: Well I'm on the gound in Manitoba now and the only strain on gov agencies are at the small village at the border crossing. Emerson only has a few hundred people so what's there is being bolstered. The 452 were at a couple of border crossings in Quebec. Again these are small villages. Canada has no major cities on the border. We have only been invaded once since we have been known as Canada and that was by the USA. Therefore we like to keep a buffer zone. Yeah I understand they are small towns. I am from northern Minnesota where some of this is happening as well. Even so 455 people wouldn't be much to handle. The aliens would simply be put in the nearest jails that had beds. Now spread out those aliens like you said and it wouldn't be an issue of any kind. It is literally a family of 4 or a group of three in random parts of your border. This shouldn't strain even the smallest town. The aliens might be inconvenienced when they have a long drive in the back of a prison truck to where ever the closest jail is though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevkev1888 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 12 minutes ago, anotheruser said: Yeah I understand they are small towns. I am from northern Minnesota where some of this is happening as well. Even so 455 people wouldn't be much to handle. The aliens would simply be put in the nearest jails that had beds. Now spread out those aliens like you said and it wouldn't be an issue of any kind. It is literally a family of 4 or a group of three in random parts of your border. This shouldn't strain even the smallest town. The aliens might be inconvenienced when they have a long drive in the back of a prison truck to where ever the closest jail is though. Put in jail? Surely not, say it ani't so! These are poor refugees! They are welcome here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 8 hours ago, canuckamuck said: They're not refugees. They are illegal aliens. They are neither, actually they are asylum seekers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anotheruser Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) Just now, simple1 said: They are neither, actually they are asylum seekers When you illegally cross a border you have broken the law. This is not even in question. Normally the correct legal status for somebody that does this is called a detainee or deportee. Edited February 21, 2017 by anotheruser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocddave Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 A whole 452 people?! Wow, that's SO many people....you are kidding right?! Wait until you reach the millions, then cry us a river. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anotheruser Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Just now, ocddave said: A whole 452 people?! Wow, that's SO many people....you are kidding right?! Wait until you reach the millions, then cry us a river. Yeah over a month, spread across a what 3,000 mile border? Hardly the same thing say Greece is going through. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) 14 minutes ago, anotheruser said: When you illegally cross a border you have broken the law. This is not even in question. Well obviously the Canadian government does not agree with you. I beleive I am correct that unless Canada passes specific legislation, in the same manner as Australia with boat people, under international law, asylum seekers crossing the border without visas are defined as 'unlawful entries' and not to be penalised for their mode of entry. Naturally if they are eventually assessed as not being genuine refugees they would be subject to deportation. Edited February 21, 2017 by simple1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anotheruser Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Just now, simple1 said: Well obviously the Canadian government does not agree with you. I beleive I am correct that unless Canada passes specific legislation, in the same manner as Australia with boat people, under international law, asylum seekers crossing the border without visas are defined as 'unlawful entries' and not to be penalised for their mode of entry. Naturally if the are assessed as not being genuine refugees they would be subject to deportation. You can see in the main article that the city of Montreal even calls them illegal immigrants. "making it the fourth city in Canada to protect illegal immigrants and to provide services to them." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Just now, anotheruser said: You can see in the main article that the city of Montreal even calls them illegal immigrants. "making it the fourth city in Canada to protect illegal immigrants and to provide services to them." In the case of asylum seekers the term 'Illegal immigrant' is more often than not is a political construct, not a lawful definition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anotheruser Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 6 minutes ago, simple1 said: In the case of asylum seekers the term 'Illegal immigrant' is more often than not is a political construct, not a lawful definition. As long as Canada keeps taking them in I am happy to let them call them whatever they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beats56 Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Those poor refugees from a warm climate have no idea how certain parts of Canada is very cold in the winter. No warm clothes. .boots...gloves and the little children are at risk. I bet they never experienced cold like that before. Frostbite and got know idea what it is. If you never experienced it before and unprepared has got to be a real shock. I can imagine if I took my tgf there it would be same for her. I hope there will be some help for these people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anotheruser Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) Just now, Beats56 said: Those poor refugees from a warm climate have no idea how certain parts of Canada is very cold in the winter. No warm clothes. .boots...gloves and the little children are at risk. I bet they never experienced cold like that before. Frostbite and got know idea what it is. If you never experienced it before and unprepared has got to be a real shock. I can imagine if I took my tgf there it would be same for her. I hope there will be some help for these people. There were a couple guys on CNN that lost all their fingers except for one guy had only one thumb left. So in some cases they should be taken into custody simply for their own good if they have no housing. I believe in the state of Alaska if you are homeless they will offer to let you stay in jail for the night when the weather is below zero. Edited February 21, 2017 by anotheruser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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