Thaivisa exclusive: Liverpool man wants Pattaya bargirl jailed but doesn’t blame the resort – “7/11 claim” was just nonsense

[oxo1947]

I got thrown out of a bar in Venice once---nearly drowned.........

[smotherb]

5 hours ago, brianj1964 said:

try reading post 150 SLOWLY, its from the guy involved in this story, the bar wanted to charge them 350 baht EACH for a vodka and they had 3 from what i read plus 90 baht for a beer, the bill they paid was reduced because they questioned the bill, i presume you would be happy buying 4 drinks at 1490 baht

Yes, I see that post and it could have happened that way; however, I have also seen, as noted, that after-the-fact stories change. 

[nontabury]

22 minutes ago, Gonefortea said:

Again if your plastered then I guess some would I will keep on saying it's your bin your responsibility  to check it. Start from the very beginning check everything that goes into your bin keep it close to you so you can see if anything has been slipped in. If it's not in your bin you don't pay for it.

But I would refute it's standard practice.

 

  "If it's not in your bin you don't pay for it"

 is't this exactly what the OP did? Leading to this crazy bar girl attacking him.

[zoza]

33 minutes ago, Gonefortea said:

Again if your plastered then I guess some would I will keep on saying it's your bin your responsibility  to check it. Start from the very beginning check everything that goes into your bin keep it close to you so you can see if anything has been slipped in. If it's not in your bin you don't pay for it.

But I would refute it's standard practice.

I have seen and heard the way this works so many times that it is obvious this is what

the majority of thai run bars do, I have seen it in bars and go-go's and the next time

you are in a bar ask the girls, who pays if they have an unpaid bin. they do

and do you think they are going to pay out of their wages?  no chance ,the next suitable farang will pay.

you may have been here a while but it sounds like you were to busy watching

your bin to talk to the girls and learn the way things work. it happens every day. 

[Gonefortea]

21 minutes ago, zoza said:

I have seen and heard the way this works so many times that it is obvious this is what

the majority of thai run bars do, I have seen it in bars and go-go's and the next time

you are in a bar ask the girls, who pays if they have an unpaid bin. they do

and do you think they are going to pay out of their wages?  no chance ,the next suitable farang will pay.

you may have been here a while but it sounds like you were to busy watching

your bin to talk to the girls and learn the way things work. it happens every day. 

Not at all I know exactly how it works no I do not sit watching the bin constantly. But unless your blind or pissed out of your brain you will notice if anything or any ones hand goes to your bin. Yes I have seen people get up and try to leave without paying they get whatever they deserve thief's as far as I'm concerned. I have also seen bar girls chase customers down the road because they have not paid. Even seen people escorted to nearest hole on the wall to get money. I have never seen a girl attacking a customer in all the years I've been here ever. I have seen a customer attacking a bar girl mind.

I talk and know a lot of the girls don't need to ask them anything. By the way if a customer does a runner and gets away the bar stands the loss not the girls that's in the beer bars I drink in. As you may well be served by five or more different girls over the course of your session. The bars we go into for socialising we know well and always have the same girl serve us. With the odd drink for her of course I can honestly say I would trust those girls more than a fellow expat I may happen to meet in a bar.

[rott]

And if you are a new face you will be judged worthy of trying it on with. They see nothing wrong in this attitude, presumably justify it with the "farang money tree" theory.

[Gonefortea]

50 minutes ago, nontabury said:

 

  "If it's not in your bin you don't pay for it"

 is't this exactly what the OP did? Leading to this crazy bar girl attacking him.

You seem to have the wrong idea I stated I do not belive any of the stories given not the girl not the man not the witnesses. There is I belive a lot more to this stories we will never know. So shall we leave it at that between us as neither of us was there so we will never know will we.

[Gonefortea]

4 minutes ago, rott said:

And if you are a new face you will be judged worthy of trying it on with. They see nothing wrong in this attitude, presumably justify it with the "farang money tree" theory.

You presume  why I don't know, that 99.9% of people comming to Thailand for a holiday, using beer or go go bars, are somehow fresh meat and nobody has the sense to look after them self's. 

Edited February 23, 2017 by Gonefortea

[rott]

14 minutes ago, Gonefortea said:

You presume  why I don't know, that 99.9% of people comming to Thailand for a holiday, using beer or go go bars, are somehow fresh meat and nobody has the sense to look after them self's. 

Read properly before posting. I said that being a new face in a bar can lead to them trying it on with you.. I speak from experience. It does not mean they assume they are going to get away with it. Perhaps I have been lucky, when I have pointed out an overcharge it has quickly been cancelled. It does not happen often and nowadays I only seem to go to places where I am known so not really a problem for me.

[Gonefortea]

9 minutes ago, rott said:

Read properly before posting. I said that being a new face in a bar can lead to them trying it on with you.. I speak from experience. It does not mean they assume they are going to get away with it. Perhaps I have been lucky, when I have pointed out an overcharge it has quickly been cancelled. It does not happen often and nowadays I only seem to go to places where I am known so not really a problem for me.

I apologise if I read and interpreted the post in  a different way to your writing it . I agree with some of the above post. Through experience I have also learned not to bother telling or should I say advising a person (s) who are obviously being ripped off due to the fact there pissed and unknowingly buying drinks for lots of girls. Usually if this is pointed out to said person you get the normal reply. So I don't bother now.

Edited February 23, 2017 by Gonefortea

[rott]

2 minutes ago, Gonefortea said:

I apologise if I read and interpreted the post in  a different way to your writing it . I agree with some of the above post. Through experience I have also learned not to bother telling or should I say advising a person (s) who are obviously being ripped off due to the fact there pissed and unknowingly buying drinks for lots of girls. Usually if this is pointed out to said person you get the normal reply. So I don't bother now.

OK no probs mate. It is like playing cricket - you play each ball on it's merits. There is a time to speak up and a time to shut up.

But I think it has happened to me a handful of time in 20 years (on and off). Having said that it is a handful of times more than anywhere else i have been.

[zoza]

17 minutes ago, Gonefortea said:

Not at all I know exactly how it works no I do not sit watching the bin constantly. But unless your blind or pissed out of your brain you will notice if anything or any ones hand goes to your bin. Yes I have seen people get up and try to leave without paying they get whatever they deserve thief's as far as I'm concerned. I have also seen bar girls chase customers down the road because they have not paid. Even seen people escorted to nearest hole on the wall to get money. I have never seen a girl attacking a customer in all the years I've been here ever. I have seen a customer attacking a bar girl mind.

I talk and know a lot of the girls don't need to ask them anything. By the way if a customer does a runner and gets away the bar stands the loss not the girls that's in the beer bars I drink in. As you may well be served by five or more different girls over the course of your session. The bars we go into for socialising we know well and always have the same girl serve us. With the odd drink for her of course I can honestly say I would trust those girls more than a fellow expat I may happen to meet in a bar.

perhaps you have lead a sheltered life over here? as I have seen at least two attacks on Farangs by bar girls with weapons  that resulted in hospital treatment for puncture wounds to the head for one (high heel shoe) and a fracture to the skull in the form of a valley running across his head (pestle)to the other. both were not boyfriend's just bar girls getting

annoyed and attacking Farangs they did not like for something that was said 

they also kept the bins under the counter so you would be lost in there.

the way it was explained to me was if you serve a customer you look after him and you share

any tips, if he does a runner you pay his bin from those tips. that is why you see them chasing Farangs down the street with bins in their hands, its not for the exercise.

there are different bar girls in every bar after a while you get to know the good ones and the not so good ones, they hurry to serve us because we tip them and treat them right.

unfortunately the lad from Hua hin did not have that chance and he picked the wrong bar.  

[Gonefortea]

2 minutes ago, rott said:

OK no probs mate. It is like playing cricket - you play each ball on it's merits. There is a time to speak up and a time to shut up.

But I think it has happened to me a handful of time in 20 years (on and off). Having said that it is a handful of times more than anywhere else i have been.

Happens a lot in Cyprus and Istanbul.

[Gonefortea]

2 minutes ago, zoza said:

perhaps you have lead a sheltered life over here? as I have seen at least two attacks on Farangs by bar girls with weapons  that resulted in hospital treatment for puncture wounds to the head for one (high heel shoe) and a fracture to the skull in the form of a valley running across his head (pestle)to the other. both were not boyfriend's just bar girls getting

annoyed and attacking Farangs they did not like for something that was said 

they also kept the bins under the counter so you would be lost in there.

the way it was explained to me was if you serve a customer you look after him and you share

any tips, if he does a runner you pay his bin from those tips. that is why you see them chasing Farangs down the street with bins in their hands, its not for the exercise.

there are different bar girls in every bar after a while you get to know the good ones and the not so good ones, they hurry to serve us because we tip them and treat them right.

unfortunately the lad from Hua hin did not have that chance and he picked the wrong bar.  

All tips go to mamma San at the end of there shift it's counted up and shared equally between whoever is on shift. The bin if not payed does not come out of the girls pocket but the bar itself stands the loss. They keep it behind the bar and God forbid if the runner comes back in again at any point. I have never and would never have or buy a beer in a bar were the bins are kept under the bar that's just stupid Ness.  I have never ever seen a bar run that way. Where is this bar you speak off so we can all avoid it?

[Rimmer]

A bickering and baiting post has been removed, time to give this a rest isn't it?

[JHolmesJr]

8 hours ago, brianj1964 said:

i never drink in Soi 8 anymore for reasons like this

 

There are some nicer quieter bars in that soi, closer to the 2nd road entrance. I dot drink in the rowdy ones closer to beach road.

 

It's all about how you handle yourself. If you walk in and look pissed, they will try it on.

 

My rules is simple.

 

Walk in with a huge smile and a wink at the lasses. Break the ice.

 

Casually ask, how much for whiskey soda.

 

Pay every bin the minute it arrives….no arguments later.

 

 

 

 

[marinediscoking]

perhaps you have lead a sheltered life over here? as I have seen at least two attacks on Farangs by bar girls with weapons  that resulted in hospital treatment for puncture wounds to the head for one (high heel shoe) and a fracture to the skull in the form of a valley running across his head (pestle)to the other. both were not boyfriend's just bar girls getting
annoyed and attacking Farangs they did not like for something that was said 
they also kept the bins under the counter so you would be lost in there.
the way it was explained to me was if you serve a customer you look after him and you share
any tips, if he does a runner you pay his bin from those tips. that is why you see them chasing Farangs down the street with bins in their hands, its not for the exercise.
there are different bar girls in every bar after a while you get to know the good ones and the not so good ones, they hurry to serve us because we tip them and treat them right.
unfortunately the lad from Hua hin did not have that chance and he picked the wrong bar.  

Too many times to count the times i have witnessed bar staff assault patrons. I put up a video on YouTube titled never turn your back on a thai where a girl hit a guy in the back of his head with the heel of her shoe when he was leaving after he though he settled the matter.
I've also seen assaults by travel agents, taxi drivers and others here. Good thing is the police are sending out the right message now by closing gogo's and others for doing this.

[JHolmesJr]

3 hours ago, marinediscoking said:

 I put up a video on YouTube titled never turn your back on a thai where a girl hit a guy in the back of his head with the heel of her shoe when he was leaving after he though he settled the matter.

Can you link it here…sounds like fun…cant find it on the tube.

[marinediscoking]

m.youtube.com/watch?v=XM2ezbsUuM8

[redwinecheese]

Thailand is a rip off except for hotel rooms and prostitutes prices.

[Gonefortea]

Just now, redwinecheese said:

Thailand is a rip off except for hotel rooms and prostitutes prices.

If you say so must be true!!!

[redwinecheese]

10 minutes ago, Gonefortea said:

If you say so must be true!!!

i.e they buy a bottle of beer for 40 baht and they sell it 80 baht 100% increase!!!

you tell me if that is not rip off?

[redwinecheese]

31 minutes ago, redwinecheese said:

Thailand is a rip off except for hotel rooms and prostitutes prices.

also Baht bus lol

[Gonefortea]

23 minutes ago, redwinecheese said:

i.e they buy a bottle of beer for 40 baht and they sell it 80 baht 100% increase!!!

you tell me if that is not rip off?

No that's not a rip off supermarkets in UK buy milk at 16p a litre sell it for 43p a litre 100%+ that still not a rip off its called business.  I buy beer at 43bht a bottle (large) wife sells it at 55bht still not a rip off its called business. 

[redwinecheese]

24 minutes ago, Gonefortea said:

No that's not a rip off supermarkets in UK buy milk at 16p a litre sell it for 43p a litre 100%+ that still not a rip off its called business.  I buy beer at 43bht a bottle (large) wife sells it at 55bht still not a rip off its called business. 

Business wise  when you buy goods and sell them for reasonable profit which is known in economic world minimum 15% in order to keep assets running whereas selling at 100%+ is called greed. Thus, foolish profits from crazy.

Edited February 23, 2017 by redwinecheese
clarification

[Gonefortea]

3 minutes ago, redwinecheese said:

Business wise  when you buy goods and sell them for reasonable profit which is known in economic world 15% in order to keep business running whereas selling at 100%+ is called greed. Thus foolish profits from crazy.

Whatever you say. No reasoning with some people to much red wine maybe

[rott]

2 hours ago, redwinecheese said:

Business wise  when you buy goods and sell them for reasonable profit which is known in economic world minimum 15% in order to keep assets running whereas selling at 100%+ is called greed. Thus, foolish profits from crazy.

Who told you that chum, somebody else who has never been in business??

 

Most of the Soi/Shophouse bars in Pattaya sell a small bottle for between 65 to 85 baht which represents a minimum 100% mark up. I don't see many of them getting rich off it.

 

i thought profitability was determined in part by how often you turn your capital over. Does not matter what the mark up is if you are only selling a few dozen a day and you need to earn 50,000 a month to cover the overheads.

[Rimmer]

More troll and off topic posts also replies have been removed

[dabhand]

5 hours ago, Gonefortea said:

No that's not a rip off supermarkets in UK buy milk at 16p a litre sell it for 43p a litre 100%+ that still not a rip off its called business.  I buy beer at 43bht a bottle (large) wife sells it at 55bht still not a rip off its called business. 

Totally agree but the comments of RWC don't really surprise me..

 

My wife ran a small shop a few years back selling beer in a cool cabinet, amongst other items. One time she told me that a foreign guy complained that he could get beer cheaper (about 10baht) at the nearest Tesco Lotus (about 5kms away and before the influx of the many small TL's/7-11's etc. in our area). Well, she told him where to go in no uncertain terms and refused to sell him any beer at any price. Maybe that was RWC.

[sambum]

38 minutes ago, dabhand said:

Totally agree but the comments of RWC don't really surprise me..

 

My wife ran a small shop a few years back selling beer in a cool cabinet, amongst other items. One time she told me that a foreign guy complained that he could get beer cheaper (about 10baht) at the nearest Tesco Lotus (about 5kms away and before the influx of the many small TL's/7-11's etc. in our area). Well, she told him where to go in no uncertain terms and refused to sell him any beer at any price. Maybe that was RWC.

And I hope that when he got there they told him that he couldn't buy any beer until 5 o'clock (after they'd seen him take them off the shelves and put them in his trolley!)

But I was just wondering, why was she selling beer in a cool cabinet? Would it not have been better selling it from behind the counter?