rooster59 Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Dutch PM bars Turkish foreign minister in escalation of rally row By Tuvan Gumrukcu and Thomas Escritt FILE PHOTO - Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu gives a speech to the media at the foreign ministry building (SRE) in Mexico City, Mexico February 3, 2017. REUTERS/Henry Romero/File Photo ANKARA/ROTTERDAM (Reuters) - The Netherlands barred Turkey's foreign minister from landing in Rotterdam on Saturday in a row over Ankara's political campaigning among Turkish emigres, leading President Tayyip Erdogan to brand the fellow NATO member a "Nazi remnant". The extraordinary incident came hours after Mevlut Cavusoglu said he would fly to Rotterdam despite being banned from a rally there to marshal support for sweeping new powers Erdogan seeks. Europe, he said, must be rid of its "boss-like attitude". Cavusoglu, who was barred from a similar meeting in Hamburg last week but spoke instead from the Turkish consulate, accused the Dutch of treating the many Turkish citizens in the country like "hostages", cutting them off from Ankara. "I sent them so they could contribute to your economy," he told CNN Turk TV, days ahead of Dutch polls where immigration may play a significant part. "They're not your captives." "If my going will increase tensions, let it be ... I am a foreign minister and I can go wherever I want," he added hours before his planned flight to Rotterdam was banned. Cavusoglu threatened harsh economic and political sanctions if the Dutch refused him entry, a threat that proved decisive for the Netherlands government. It cited public order and security concerns in withdrawing landing rights for Cavusoglu's flight. But it said the sanctions threat made the search for a reasonable solution impossible. "This decision is a scandal and unacceptable in every way. It does not abide by diplomatic practices," Cavusoglu told reporters in Istanbul on Saturday evening. Dutch anti-Muslim politician Geert Wilders, polling second ahead of Wednesday's elections, said in a tweet on Saturday: "To all Turks in the Netherlands who agree with Erdogan: Go to Turkey and NEVER come back!!" Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte said: "This morning on TV (the Turkish minister) made clear he was threatening the Netherlands with sanctions and we can never negotiate with the Turks under such threats. So we decided ... in a conference call it was better for him not to come." "NAZI REMNANTS, FASCISTS" Addressing a rally of supporters, Erdogan retaliated. "Listen Netherlands, you'll jump once, you'll jump twice, but my people will thwart your game," he said. "You can cancel our foreign minister's flight as much as you want, but let's see how your flights will come to Turkey now." "They don't know diplomacy or politics. They are Nazi remnants. They are fascists," he added. Rutte called Erdogan's reference to Nazis and Fascists "a crazy remark". "I understand they're angry but this is of course way out of line," he said. Erdogan chafes at Western criticism of his mass arrests and dismissals of people authorities believe were linked to a failed July attempt by the military to topple him. He maintains it is clear the West begrudges him new powers and seeks to engineer a "no" vote in the referendum. German Chancellor Angela Merkel, whose country Erdogan compared last week with Nazi Germany, has said she will do everything possible to prevent any spillover of Turkish political tensions onto German soil. Four planned Turkish rallies in Austria and one in Switzerland have also been cancelled due to the growing dispute. Cavusoglu is scheduled to speak in Metz, eastern France, on Sunday, an official at the Moselle regional prefecture told Reuters on Saturday, adding that there were currently no plans to prevent the meeting from going ahead. Following the ban on the foreign minister's visit, Turkish Family Minister Fatma Betul Sayan Kaya will travel to Rotterdam by land, state-run Anadolu news agency said. She is currently in Germany. Erdogan is looking to the large number of emigre Turks living in Europe, especially Germany and the Netherlands, to help clinch victory in next month's referendum which will shape the future of a country whose position on the edge of the Middle East makes it of crucial strategic importance to NATO. He has cited domestic threats from Kurdish and Islamist militants and a July coup bid as cause to vote "yes" to his new powers. But he has also drawn on the emotionally charged row with Europe to portray Turkey as betrayed by allies while facing wars on its southern borders. -- © Copyright Reuters 2017-03-12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canopus1969 Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Well done Holland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katana Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 (edited) Turks rioting in Rotterdam late Saturday night over Dutch banning of Turkish minister. Edited March 12, 2017 by katana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 The Dutch did not want to ignite the tensions that were there during the problems in Turkey. The Turkish people among were causing trouble because of the divide between them. Allowing this would just have let that flared up again. But we still got riots.. so was it smart.. not sure.. but at least we did not let them walk all over us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabhand Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 From the OP: Following the ban on the foreign minister's visit, Turkish Family Minister Fatma Betul Sayan Kaya will travel to Rotterdam by land, state-run Anadolu news agency said. She is currently in Germany She has now been shown the door as well. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39246392 But when she arrived, Dutch authorities refused to allow her entry to the consulate, sparking a stream of angry tweets. Ms Kaya was escorted by police to the German border, the mayor of Rotterdam confirmed early on Sunday morning. Disgraceful rhetoric from Erdogan and his cohorts, but no surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleur3 Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 The Turkish Family Minister arrived in Rotterdam by car. She was denied entry and asked to go back to Germany. She refused and refused to leave her car. Then the police decided and told her that her car and she in the car would be towed away !! Unbelievable. At that moment she accepted and decided to drive back to Germany where she came from the airport . Well done Holland !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallander4 Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 (edited) This will help G. Wiilders win Dutch election - Go Geert Edited March 12, 2017 by Wallander4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Mountain Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Only in (dutch)election time. After the 15th it's all forgotten ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 6 hours ago, rooster59 said: Dutch of treating the many Turkish citizens in the country like "hostages", cutting them off from Ankara. Turks can return to Turkey whenever they want. But coming back into EU might be a problem if not holding EU member citizenship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudi49jr Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 3 hours ago, Wallander4 said: This will help G. Wiilders win Dutch election - Go Geert Not true: latest poll shows that Wilders lost quite a few votes .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacebass Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Bye bye Turkey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Only in (dutch)election time. After the 15th it's all forgotten ...Quite possible now they act strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatawonderfulday Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 (edited) with other posters I have to say well done Holland. I could not see the slimy apologests in the UK doing what was right. So now we have a Turkish Muslim President getting upset that countries don't allow Turks to demonstrate in countries in which they are guests. Typical Muslim attitude expecting the world to roll over and let them do what they want whilst in their own countries enjoy barbarisim. The EU should get behind each other and send these wanna be terrorists back home, via Syria would be useful. Edited March 12, 2017 by whatawonderfulday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lannig Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 FYI such a meeting is taking place in Metz, France today and the Turkish Foreign Minister is there. My own home country let him in and I'm not happy with this. I'm not 100% sure the Dutch have taken the right decision, but we should certainly have stuck to it as consistency within EU dictates. I've head a Turkish journalist's fairly balanced report on a French radio today and he was pointing out that Erdogan's government consistently bans meetings supporting the "no" vote within Turkey, so this outrage ouf having the support meeting canceled in Holland really is cynical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katana Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Dutch consulate at Istanbul: Dutch flag taken down, Turkish flag hoisted: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwiken Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 As has been pointed out should Erdogan open the borders for refugees or other retaliation against Europe. I suggest Europe closes its borders to Turkey and repatriate the millions of Turkish guest workers and their families Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lannig Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Interesting idea, but Germany's economy would then grind to a halt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli42 Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 I would venture that the Turks intentionally provoked this to strengthen the case at home for withdrawal from NATO. I don't see how Erdagon can build Turkey into the kind of country he wants and pretend to play nice with Europe and NATO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tchooptip Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 13 hours ago, canopus1969 said: Well done Holland Yes well done Holland, but Hollande not so well, this Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu was authorised to hold a political rally for Turcs people in France...a shame! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alocacoc Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 A bit sad that other EU country's don't show solidarity with NL. Only Denmark so far. Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alocacoc Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Not true: latest poll shows that Wilders lost quite a few votes ....You still believe in polls? Brexit polls, will never happen. Trump poll, no way. I see polls only as a instrument of propaganda. Go Wilders. Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alocacoc Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Actually Erdogan proofes only one more time, Islam is cancer. Europe must get rid of it. Sweden, France and Germany has fallen already. Erdogan said: The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and the faithful our soldiers. And, Turkey’s PM Erdogan: The term “moderate Islam” is ugly and offensive — Islam is Islam. The entire debate is useless until everyone understands what the Islam is and what the Islam wants. Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arithai12 Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 6 hours ago, Lannig said: Interesting idea, but Germany's economy would then grind to a halt. Also interesting to imagine how would Turkey cope with the arrival of 6 million unemployed persons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arithai12 Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 "I am a foreign minister and I can go wherever I want," Maybe you can, but you cannot hold political rallies in another country at your leisure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bandito Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 22 hours ago, robblok said: The Dutch did not want to ignite the tensions that were there during the problems in Turkey. The Turkish people among were causing trouble because of the divide between them. Allowing this would just have let that flared up again. But we still got riots.. so was it smart.. not sure.. but at least we did not let them walk all over us. Allready happened, walking all over the Dutch. 250,000 Turks living in the Netherlands. Around 160 nationalities living there, must be from every country in the world. Plus a few hundred thousand migrants. Song of Nancy Sinatra comes to mind "these boots are made for walking and walk all over you". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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