Police and insurers team up to keep traffic flowing after crash

[rooster59]

Police and insurers team up to keep traffic flowing after crash

By The Nation

 

 

Thai police joined forces with the Thai General Insurance Association to launch a project aimed at reducing traffic congestion in Bangkok.

 

Pol General Dechnarong Suthichanbancha presided over the signing of a memorandum of cooperation with the insurance body at the Metropolitan Police Bureau headquarters on Friday. Metropolitan chief Pol LtGeneral Sanit Mahathavorn was among those in the audience.

 

The project would allow people to simply take a photo when their car collided with another vehicle and leave the scene. In a move to ease the capital’s notorious congestion, there would be no need to wait for either the police or insurance staff to arrive to survey the crash.

 

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-- © Copyright The Nation 2017-03-18

[jaltsc]

“…allow people to simply take a photo when their car collided with another vehicle and leave the scene.”

 

If I hadn't been living here for a while, I'd think this is a joke. So let me get this straight. Someone causes a crash and kills the other driver. All he has to do is pretend to take a photo with no intention of ever presenting it to the police, and then leaves the scene.

 

At least with the old way, the driver got some exercise running away from the crash scene. Now he can just drive away without leaving the car behind, which at least gave the police a clue who owned the vehicle. I can see why the insurance companies love this. They only have to pay out for the dead driver. They don't pay off for the other driver if the crash is never reported.

[ezzra]

An arrangement that is well over due, no other country in the world

uses the silly and useless procedure to wait for the accident assessors

to come to scenes of the accident while traffic is badly affected

by the blockage of the involved parties....

[chainarong]

I think I know were they're coming from low impact damage and no one injured, it isn't a very well presented ............................

[ChrisY1]

6 minutes ago, jaltsc said:

“…allow people to simply take a photo when their car collided with another vehicle and leave the scene.”

 

If I hadn't been living here for a while, I'd think this is a joke. So let me get this straight. Someone causes a crash and kills the other driver. All he has to do is pretend to take a photo with no intention of ever presenting it to the police, and then leaves the scene.

 

At least with the old way, the driver got some exercise running away from the crash scene. Now he can just drive away without leaving the car behind, which at least gave the police a clue who owned the vehicle. I can see why the insurance companies love this. They only have to pay out for the dead driver. They don't pay off for the other driver if the crash is never reported.

My belief is that this ruling will apply to minor accidents where the vehicles can be removed from the scene without issue.

It's always amazed me that a very minor rear ender for example, on an freeway, holds up traffic for miles and causes complete chaos.....the owners threatened with no cover from the insurance people, if the vehicles are moved.

[Psimbo]

9 minutes ago, jaltsc said:

“…allow people to simply take a photo when their car collided with another vehicle and leave the scene.”

 

If I hadn't been living here for a while, I'd think this is a joke. So let me get this straight. Someone causes a crash and kills the other driver. All he has to do is pretend to take a photo with no intention of ever presenting it to the police, and then leaves the scene.

 

At least with the old way, the driver got some exercise running away from the crash scene. Now he can just drive away without leaving the car behind, which at least gave the police a clue who owned the vehicle. I can see why the insurance companies love this. They only have to pay out for the dead driver. They don't pay off for the other driver if the crash is never reported.

Followed by the atypical Thaigeezer gnashing of teeth, wailing and frothing at the mouth. There is a huge difference between a minor shunt, which does not require a presence and a crash including death or injuries, which does. 

 

i hope you have recovered your dentures from your cornflakes.

Edited March 18, 2017 by Psimbo

[madmitch]

7 minutes ago, jaltsc said:

“…allow people to simply take a photo when their car collided with another vehicle and leave the scene.”

 

If I hadn't been living here for a while, I'd think this is a joke. So let me get this straight. Someone causes a crash and kills the other driver. All he has to do is pretend to take a photo with no intention of ever presenting it to the police, and then leaves the scene.

 

At least with the old way, the driver got some exercise running away from the crash scene. Now he can just drive away without leaving the car behind, which at least gave the police a clue who owned the vehicle. I can see why the insurance companies love this. They only have to pay out for the dead driver. They don't pay off for the other driver if the crash is never reported.

I'd guess there would be a bit more to the process than is being reported here. For minor incident an exchange of insurance details coupled with a photograph should generally suffice. Where anyone's injured then the process needs, unfortunately, to be similar to that which exists right now, though in many cases it's logical to photograph the incident then remove the vehicles from the middle of the road to somewhere that doesn't cause congestion. 

 

This is pretty standard practice in most countries.

[darksidedog]

12 minutes ago, ezzra said:

An arrangement that is well over due, no other country in the world

uses the silly and useless procedure to wait for the accident assessors

to come to scenes of the accident while traffic is badly affected

by the blockage of the involved parties....

Clearly you have never been to China.

I have seen many minor accidents there that completely block the road, but no one would move an inch until the cops turned up.

 

[little mary sunshine]

Another meeting to do nothing....

Solution Odd...Even day to drive in 

the city...last number on license plate,

 

cop posted at every other imtersection 2000B

fine.....Next!

[mrfill]

That photo looks like the worst boy band ever.

[Get Real]

Great! Now we solved the problem with the enormous amount of crasches and accidents.
It´s was becoming a big and time consuming problem, and still getting more day after day.
One smart person came up with the idéa to let the people handle the law instead of the police.
So, now the problem is solved. If the amount of accidents getting more, than that is not a problem no more.

Edited March 18, 2017 by Get Real

[fruitman]

And what will they do when there a vehicle without licenseplate involved? I see loads of them every day.

[little mary sunshine]

13 minutes ago, fruitman said:

And what will they do when there a vehicle without licenseplate involved? I see loads of them every day.

That's  easier:  They are on the road illegally to begin with...boot,

tow to lot...2000B fine and 250B per day lot fee.  City should

,are lots of money

[Destiny1990]

Ban all cars older than 10 years from entering the city.ban polluting old diesel trucks cars.make more bts lines.

[elgordo38]

9 hours ago, rooster59 said:

The project would allow people to simply take a photo when their car collided with another vehicle and leave the scene. In a move to ease the capital’s notorious congestion, there would be no need to wait for either the police or insurance staff to arrive to survey the crash.

 

Farang alert farang alert farang alert. Boy if there was ever a need to have a dash cam this is it. I think I have seen and heard this topic discussed so many time the answer is but it costs money the fly in the ointment. 

[JGV]

This idea fails to address the problem too many vehicles

Like Singapore city vehicles should have to pay a substantial tariff (more than 1000 Bah t)to enter the city at booths on the outskirts and if they so wish park vehicles in designated parking areas and go on buses to connect with BTS and MRT stations

Why be so accomodating to these selfish people

Make them pay

[fruitman]

3 hours ago, little mary sunshine said:

That's  easier:  They are on the road illegally to begin with...boot,

tow to lot...2000B fine and 250B per day lot fee.  City should

,are lots of money

They are NOT illegal...new motobikes have to wait many weeks/months before they get the plate...and if the driver doesn't care (why would he) it can take a long time before he goes getting it.

 

Also i see several cars without plates, don't know how that's possible...the police just let's them drive.

 

On backroads there are even more motocy's without plates/lights/insurance....

 

 

[seminomadic]

11 hours ago, jaltsc said:

“…allow people to simply take a photo when their car collided with another vehicle and leave the scene.”

 

If I hadn't been living here for a while, I'd think this is a joke. So let me get this straight. Someone causes a crash and kills the other driver. All he has to do is pretend to take a photo with no intention of ever presenting it to the police, and then leaves the scene.

 

At least with the old way, the driver got some exercise running away from the crash scene. Now he can just drive away without leaving the car behind, which at least gave the police a clue who owned the vehicle. I can see why the insurance companies love this. They only have to pay out for the dead driver. They don't pay off for the other driver if the crash is never reported.

 

It's called hit and run. Given the same situation, how is it any different or less possible to leave the scene with the way things currently are?

[rkidlad]

Also, if you have a crash and have to wait for the police and insurance, etc, you own the area around the cars. People will awkwardly drive around you as you look at the damages and chat with the other driver standing in the middle of the road. 

 

I remember being on the back of a motorcycle taxi and we came across a small fender bender. It happened just before the soi I needed to turn into. It was two cars taking up a lane and half diagonally. You could drive around the right side of the cars but the traffic was stopped dead. You couldn't drive the left side but could easily get a bike through. There was the lady of the crash just stood smack back on the road on the left side of the car. Not a care in the world. My taxi guy stopped but wouldn't beep or say anything. She could see we were there, but thought she now owned that area. After 30 seconds, I was hot and I lost my cool. I just shouted "Get he f*** out of the way, you idiot" She could hear me but ignored me. I decided to shout again in Thai the same message. Motorcycle guy had his head down laughing. She pretended she was going to move anyway and we drove through. Motorcycle guy couldn't stop laughing. At the end of the journey I apologised, but told him that's how you deal with the selfish and inconsiderate. 

Edited March 18, 2017 by rkidlad

[fruitman]

7 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

Also, if you have a crash and have to wait for the police and insurance, etc, you own the area around the cars. People will awkwardly drive around you as you look at the damages and chat with the other driver standing in the middle of the road. 

 

I remember being on the back of a motorcycle taxi and we came across a small fender bender. It happened just before the soi I needed to turn into. It was two cars taking up a lane and half diagonally. You could drive around the right side of the cars but the traffic was stopped dead. You couldn't drive the left side but could easily get a bike through. There was the lady of the crash just stood smack back on the road on the left side of the car. Not a care in the world. My taxi guy stopped but wouldn't beep or say anything. She could see we were there, but thought she now owned that area. After 30 seconds, I was hot and I lost my cool. I just shouted "Get he f*** out of the way, you idiot" She could hear me but ignored me. I decided to shout again in Thai the same message. Motorcycle guy had his head down laughing. She pretended she was going to move anyway and we drove through. Motorcycle guy couldn't stop laughing. At the end of the journey I apologised, but told him that's how you deal with the selfish and inconsiderate. 

That's why i drive my own motocy...if a Thai claims the road i can ALWAYS squeeze myself through...If not on the left side than on the right one. I do the same if they block a walkway and if they see my size they suddenly understand the message.

[worgeordie]

If this works,even less for the Police to do.

regards worgeordie

[little mary sunshine]

1 hour ago, fruitman said:

They are NOT illegal...new motobikes have to wait many weeks/months before they get the plate...and if the driver doesn't care (why would he) it can take a long time before he goes getting it.

 

Also i see several cars without plates, don't know how that's possible...the police just let's them drive.

 

On backroads there are even more motocy's without plates/lights/insurance....

 

 

 

44 minutes ago, worgeordie said:

If this works,even less for the Police to do.

regards worgeordie

Not true about the new motorbike....you receive a red plate

from the dealer until your white plate comes.   I bought a

new motorbike this year...red plate immediately on bike from

th dealer

[little mary sunshine]

1 hour ago, fruitman said:

They are NOT illegal...new motobikes have to wait many weeks/months before they get the plate...and if the driver doesn't care (why would he) it can take a long time before he goes getting it.

 

Also i see several cars without plates, don't know how that's possible...the police just let's them drive.

 

On backroads there are even more motocy's without plates/lights/insurance....

 

 

Talking about,the traffic in BKK....don't care about some back roads 

[fruitman]

4 minutes ago, little mary sunshine said:

 

Not true about the new motorbike....you receive a red plate

from the dealer until your white plate comes.   I bought a

new motorbike this year...red plate immediately on bike from

th dealer

My new bike came without a plate, took 4 weeks or so before they called us to pick it up.

 

Neighbour has a new ducati now, no plate for many weeks.

[outsider]

In some countries like Malaysia, if the accident results in a fatality, then the vehicle/s involved cannot be moved until the police arrive. If it's a minor fender-bender, you are expected to take a picture, or take the details of the driver/vehicle involved, and make a police report within 24 hours ( especially if you want to claim insurance) or just settle it amongst yourselves. Basically, just move the hell out of the way so the rest of the world can carry on. This waiting for insurance adjusters malarkey on the streets of Bangkok is simply prehistoric.

[jaltsc]

4 hours ago, seminomadic said:

 

It's called hit and run. Given the same situation, how is it any different or less possible to leave the scene with the way things currently are?

This will just encourage more people to do it. 

[AhFarangJa]

23 hours ago, ezzra said:

An arrangement that is well over due, no other country in the world

uses the silly and useless procedure to wait for the accident assessors

to come to scenes of the accident while traffic is badly affected

by the blockage of the involved parties....

Saudi Arabia

Bahrain

Kuwait

Dubai

Abu Dhabi

Egypt

China

These are all from my personal experience......causes absolute bedlam.....

[johnno2]

wow, how many cars are there on the road here that aren't actually transferred to the proper owner? my wife tells me this is why they don't introduce drive thru road toll booths that send the bill to the owner like what happens in Australia and I imagine most other countries in the world. If I am in an accident here, I will be taking pics of the other car, the person driving, the guys licence, everything.

[fruitman]

Bicycle rickshaws also cause a lot of congestion.

[kowpot]

On 3/18/2017 at 9:31 AM, ezzra said:

An arrangement that is well over due, no other country in the world

uses the silly and useless procedure to wait for the accident assessors

to come to scenes of the accident while traffic is badly affected

by the blockage of the involved parties....

True, but I still think the police should be called for anything except a fender bender. If a Thai and a Farang get into an accident, who do you think will be left holding the bag. Pictures might be worth a thousand words. But the word of a Thai will always "trump" the Farang.

Edited March 19, 2017 by kowpot