The myth of melting ice and rising seas

[Guest]

1 minute ago, pkspeaker said:

i don't got a link and too busy to find it but I read in passing that those 90 second recharge deals are unreliable technology and they have a tendency to suddenly discharge al the power.. there is not new product from the big car makers on the horizon that offer this type of superfast recharge.. the only option for fast 'recharge' is hydrogen fuel cell..The customer does not want this battery stuf because its crappier than ICE cars which 'recharge' in minutes.

I read the article few days ago. I don't think every development is going to hit the markets. That's not the point. 

(I also tried to find the article again, but failed after few seconds. It will come up later on.)

 

The point is, we do have positive development. We have abilities to overcome the technological issues to become clean air and water societies. 

 

It's good if you keep on track what is happening today. That is very important. I tend to look what is in the development pipeline and what might be the solutions in 3, 5 or ten years time. That's what keeps my hopes up for the future. 

 

 

[pkspeaker]

5 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

Toyota disagrees with you.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-autoshow-tokyo-toyota-battery/toyota-scrambles-to-ready-game-changer-ev-battery-for-mass-market-idUSKBN1CW27Y

that article does not say that toyota is bringing this 90 second charge technology to market, just that they are extending the range of slow charging batteries.

[ilostmypassword]

2 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

First you say 8 inches, now 2.5. It's 8. And increasing. Which is huge as has been pointed out by others here.

 

https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-change-indicators-sea-level

Maybe the sea is a grower, not a shower.

[pkspeaker]

4 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

Not just the rain in this case. The rain and higher tides. Higher tides caused by higher ocean levels. And tell the people who homes get damaged on a more and more frequent basis that it doesn't matter.

yea and the higher ocean levels are only a few inches..maybe.. in the last 5 years its nothing or a few mm the other ways.. no whay spread over the entire planets that will ever matter anytime soon.

[Guest]

14 minutes ago, uncleeagle said:

 

Pretending to believe in flat earth theory because you think peoples reactions are funny is not the same as actually believing in it. If someone has some kind of ulterior morive for saying they believe in it then they arent a real believer. I have spoken to real believers, just as I have spoken to many people who believe climate change is a hoax, HAARP is controlling the weather, the moon landing was faked as we can see from the fluttering flag etc, the rothschilds are behind every move in the financial markets etc etc. There are lots of genuine believers, very rew are smart. I am sure there are real conspiracies, but they arent the ones conspiracy theorists like to bleat about.

Could you pass their contact information to me. I need true believers as I'm planning to create the Church of Flat Earth. 

I have met some, not many, people who truly believe in God, Jesus and other stuff been said in the bible. Some of them were seemingly bright, but somehow fogged of their view of the world. Our Flat Earth will become similar religion, which others, the infidel, are not allowed to make jokes about.

Having a belief is pushing ones head to a hole. 

 

Now, do you understand the reasoning?

 

Edited November 24, 2017 by Guest

[ilostmypassword]

3 minutes ago, pkspeaker said:

yea and the higher ocean levels are only a few inches..maybe.. in the last 5 years its nothing or a few mm the other ways.. no whay spread over the entire planets that will ever matter anytime soon.

Because the topography of the land is the same everywhere? It's all one plane situated at a certain height above sea level?

What you're saying makes no sense.

[thaibeachlovers]

11 minutes ago, oilinki said:

I read the article few days ago. I don't think every development is going to hit the markets. That's not the point. 

(I also tried to find the article again, but failed after few seconds. It will come up later on.)

 

The point is, we do have positive development. We have abilities to overcome the technological issues to become clean air and water societies. 

 

It's good if you keep on track what is happening today. That is very important. I tend to look what is in the development pipeline and what might be the solutions in 3, 5 or ten years time. That's what keeps my hopes up for the future. 

 

 

However, the "man made CC or GW" proponents are claiming that we need to do something NOW, not in 5 or 10 years time or we are all going to die. Never mind that they can't come up with any practical solutions themselves, other than claiming a few windmills will save us from something that took since the industrial revolution to happen.

 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

However, the "man made CC or GW" proponents are claiming that we need to do something NOW, not in 5 or 10 years time or we are all going to die. Never mind that they can't come up with any practical solutions themselves, other than claiming a few windmills will save us from something that took since the industrial revolution to happen.

 

Stop being an arse, sniffing other people's <deleted>. I said I hate people who complain without offering solutions. You are not gaining any credits by being a whining arse.

Offer real life practical solutions or be quiet. 

[thaibeachlovers]

3 hours ago, heybruce said:

That could be explained by stating the earth is a flat disk, but let's move on.  Maybe we can get you into the enlightenment.

 

Do you believe the earth orbits around the sun?  After all, it looks like the sun is orbiting the earth, but those know-it-all scientists tell us it's the other way around.   Do you believe your eyes or the science?

That's not a scientific response.

If the earth were a flat disk, I'd have to be a long way above sea level to see the curve in the distance. From sea level it would appear flat as far as I could see, unless the disk was so small that the edge could be seen from sea level. However, if it were small enough for that to be correct I wouldn't have to spend 11 hours in a plane travelling at over 300 kph to get to Thailand.

Regardless, your posts seem to be straying into very strange territory. After all, everyone knows that Helios drives the sun in a chariot across the sky every day.

[thaibeachlovers]

7 minutes ago, oilinki said:

Stop being an arse, sniffing other people's <deleted>. I said I hate people who complain without offering solutions. You are not gaining any credits by being a whining arse.

Offer real life practical solutions or be quiet. 

HUH! I've offered loads of real life practical solutions. I guess you never bothered to read any of them.

You should get your facts straight before making demands on here.

 

How come you don't demand those that take the side of pro human caused CC/ GW provide solutions as they haven't offered any practical ones so far?

Edited November 24, 2017 by thaibeachlovers

[canuckamuck]

33 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

First you say 8 inches, now 2.5. It's 8. And increasing. Which is huge as has been pointed out by others here.

 

https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-change-indicators-sea-level

It was 8 inches in 150 years or approximately 2.5 inches in 50 years. Read more carefully.

[Kieran00001]

 

 

On 21/03/2017 at 11:44 AM, Gulfsailor said:

Ice masses in Greenland and the Antarctic have a massive gravitational pull. So if they melt and as a result the average sea level rises, levels nearby would fall and levels further away would rise more than the average. So apart from direct observations of the ice sheet thickness and size near the poles, the first clues to a  global rising sea level are lower sea levels in places like Northern Europe and Newfoundland. 

An average 2 degree warmer climate and associated melting of Greenland and the associated global sea level increase, would result in a massive economic boom (more fertile land and longer growing season) to Northern Europe and North America. There are no signs the South Pole is melting, so all the extra water from the north would flow in that direction. The result is significant problems for Africa, South America, South Asia and Oceania. If the Southpole also starts to melt, the countries around the equator would have immense problems. 

 

 

There is no evidence that Antarctica is melting other than the 159 billion tones of ice that are melting every year off the land, this melt is increasing precipitation and resulting in more fresh water freezing in the sea every winter, giving rise to the climate change deniers myth that Antarctica is not melting as the ice can be measured in square miles instead of cubic miles and give this false result.

[uncleeagle]

24 minutes ago, oilinki said:

Could you pass their contact information to me. I need true believers as I'm planning to create the Church of Flat Earth. 

I have met some, not many, people who truly believe in God, Jesus and other stuff been said in the bible. Some of them were seemingly bright, but somehow fogged of their view of the world. Our Flat Earth will become similar religion, which others, the infidel, are not allowed to make jokes about.

Having a belief is pushing ones head to a hole. 

 

Now, do you understand the reasoning?

 

Maybe you fail to grasp the difference between an act of faith and an act of stupidity. Believing in God is an act of faith, believing despite all the evidence and logic to the contrary that the earth is flat is not an act of faith, it is an act of stupidity. That explains why I have known some very smart Christian believers but every single genuine flat earther I have met has been quite stupid. How do I know they are stupid....like pornography, you know it when you see it.

 

I understand what you are trying to say, I just dont find it interesting or profound in any way.

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

HUH! I've offered loads of real life practical solutions. I guess you never bothered to read any of them.

You should get your facts straight before making demands on here.

I hope you don't mind if I think you are Russian. 

What are your solutions? How can we others help to make our lives better?

 

[thaibeachlovers]

21 minutes ago, oilinki said:

I hope you don't mind if I think you are Russian. 

What are your solutions? How can we others help to make our lives better?

 

I have posted my solutions many times on many threads. I'm not going to spend hours reposting them just for you, as everyone else on here would know what they are. You can find them on TVF just like the posts of every other poster and they even have a search function to narrow the search.

Just look for any climate change thread I've posted on.

Edited November 24, 2017 by thaibeachlovers

[Guest]

18 minutes ago, uncleeagle said:

Maybe you fail to grasp the difference between an act of faith and an act of stupidity. Believing in God is an act of faith, believing despite all the evidence and logic to the contrary that the earth is flat is not an act of faith, it is an act of stupidity. That explains why I have known some very smart Christian believers but every single genuine flat earther I have met has been quite stupid. How do I know they are stupid....like pornography, you know it when you see it.

 

I understand what you are trying to say, I just dont find it interesting or profound in any way.

You are getting there. When you finally find out what you want to say and what you want to present, do say it.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

20 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

 

 

There is no evidence that Antarctica is melting other than the 159 billion tones of ice that are melting every year off the land, this melt is increasing precipitation and resulting in more fresh water freezing in the sea every winter, giving rise to the climate change deniers myth that Antarctica is not melting as the ice can be measured in square miles instead of cubic miles and give this false result.

Are you sure about that? It doesn't snow in Antarctica, and sea ice is salt water, not fresh. The barrier on the other hand is fresh water from glaciers, but the amount of that that melts every year is probably very small as compared to all the water in the oceans.

I can melt an ice cube in a full bath and it's not going to raise the level.

[craigt3365]

33 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

It was 8 inches in 150 years or approximately 2.5 inches in 50 years. Read more carefully.

8 inches in huge!  and I read the article carefully. Still, you are waffling back and forth. Pay more attention.

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I have posted my solutions many times on many threads. I'm not going to spend hours reposting them just for you, as everyone else on here would know what they are. You can find them on TVF just like the posts of every other poster and they even have a search function to narrow the search.

Can I call you as my intelligent Russian thinker? I'm eager to proof to the western people that Russia has great thinkers, which most western people know nothing about. 

I do love the Russian literature, I basically was filled by Science Fiction from Russia, when I was young. The new ideas, what could be and what should be. 

The woman in the libraries I used, would agree with my sentiments. 

[craigt3365]

12 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

 I'm not going to spend hours reposting them just for you, as everyone else on here would know what they are.

We'd appreciate you not posting.

[canuckamuck]

8 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

8 inches in huge!  and I read the article carefully. Still, you are waffling back and forth. Pay more attention.

I assume the was  'is' not 'in'. But really, it is not huge. There were no great humanitarian tragedies related to the last 150 years of sea level rise. In fact in all of history, as the sea has gone up and down it really has been a big nothing. Sure people had to rebuild, but we rebuild anyways, even if we don't live near the ocean. History has shown that humans deal just fine with sea level rise.

Edited November 24, 2017 by canuckamuck

[Kieran00001]

12 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Are you sure about that? It doesn't snow in Antarctica, and sea ice is salt water, not fresh. The barrier on the other hand is fresh water from glaciers, but the amount of that that melts every year is probably very small as compared to all the water in the oceans.

I can melt an ice cube in a full bath and it's not going to raise the level.

 

It is combination of run off and precipitation, no doubt actually mainly run off.

Sea ice is not salt water, almost all salt is pushed out while it freezes, only some salt crystals can remain trapped in the ice, the actual ice is fresh water.

As ice from sea water is always much lower salinity than the sea water it came from it is also less dense, salt adds density to water, so if you then melt that ice into the sea water it will decrease the density of the sea water and thus increase its volume, that would not work in your bath though as it is not salt water.  If all the floating ice in the world melted it would increase global sea levels by 4-6cm.

[Kieran00001]

11 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

I assume the was  'is' not 'in'. But really, it is not huge. There were no great humanitarian tragedies related to the last 150 years of sea level rise. In fact in all of history, as the sea has gone up and down it really has been a big nothing. Sure people had to rebuild, but we rebuild anyways, even if we don't live near the ocean. History has shown that humans deal just fine with sea level rise.

 

What has history shown us when for the previous 2000 years sea level has not changed much at all?  The level has been increase I got for just the past hundred odd years, it isnow increasing at a rate of 1 cm every three years, this is a new problem and so history tells us very little indeed.

[craigt3365]

12 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

History has shown that humans deal just fine with sea level rise.

There are many today who'd argue with you about that. Read about Miami. Human's are NOT dealing fine with it.

[boomerangutang]

4 hours ago, canuckamuck said:

If humans can't manage 20 cm's of sea level rise in 150 years, they deserve to be wiped out.  In some instances 8 inches can be impressive, but not when you are talking oceans.

Seemingly small amounts can manifest in big ways.  Storm surges, hurricanes, even tsunamis can be exponentially more devastating if the level of the sea is just a cm higher.  

 

As for charging stations.  I would much rather see electric charging stations nationwide, than fossil fuel pumping stations.   Best would be DC charging stations which are alt.energy.  It's the obvious way to set 'em up.

 

It brought to mind:  I was driving a p.u. truck in Mexico (to and from Belize).  At one station, a pumper was very busy, and gas was leaking all over the tarmac.  I scolded him.  He almost punched me.   At another Mexican gas station, a day later, the blackened place looked like it had a MOAB dropped on it.  Not a person or vehicle within a mile, except people like me driving by.

 

 

 

[Guest]

27 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

I assume the was  'is' not 'in'. But really, it is not huge. There were no great humanitarian tragedies related to the last 150 years of sea level rise. In fact in all of history, as the sea has gone up and down it really has been a big nothing. Sure people had to rebuild, but we rebuild anyways, even if we don't live near the ocean. History has shown that humans deal just fine with sea level rise.

That's  funny. I also think that the 300.000.000 individuals, currently occupying the land mass of USA are simply disposable, uninteresting folks, who have no right to live in the USA. 

The history have shown that they bring war, instead of happiness. 

 

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, boomerangutang said:

I would much rather see electric charging stations nationwide, than fossil fuel pumping stations.

This is your best quote, ever. 

 

[ilostmypassword]

51 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

It is combination of run off and precipitation, no doubt actually mainly run off.

Sea ice is not salt water, almost all salt is pushed out while it freezes, only some salt crystals can remain trapped in the ice, the actual ice is fresh water.

As ice from sea water is always much lower salinity than the sea water it came from it is also less dense, salt adds density to water, so if you then melt that ice into the sea water it will decrease the density of the sea water and thus increase its volume, that would not work in your bath though as it is not salt water.  If all the floating ice in the world melted it would increase global sea levels by 4-6cm.

The thing is water is an unusual chemical. As a solid it is less dense than in its liquid form. That's why it floats.  So when sea ice melts,  it loses volume. As far as volume goes, it's a wash. Almost literally. That said, since much of the ice melt is due to warming seas, that is a problem because as liquid water gets warmer (above 4 degrees centigrade) it expands. And that does raise the sea level.

Edited November 24, 2017 by ilostmypassword

[SiSePuede419]

Is it Chemtrails?  Or huffing glue??

 

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[Guest]

2 minutes ago, SiSePuede419 said:

Is it Chemtrails?  Or huffing glue??

 

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