sandyf Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Who said there wouldn't be a second referendum(terminology?) on brexit. Only this time with 7 weeks notice the voters are caught between a rock and a hard place. Freedom of movement comes to mind. Theresa May has accused EU leaders of preparing to "line up to oppose us" over Brexit, as she made an audacious appeal to Labour supporters to “lend me their vote” to strengthen her hand. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-labour-supporters-general-election-lend-me-their-vote-brexit-success-eu-tory-leader-a7706096.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nontabury Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 2 hours ago, sandyf said: Who said there wouldn't be a second referendum(terminology?) on brexit. Only this time with 7 weeks notice the voters are caught between a rock and a hard place. Freedom of movement comes to mind. Theresa May has accused EU leaders of preparing to "line up to oppose us" over Brexit, as she made an audacious appeal to Labour supporters to “lend me their vote” to strengthen her hand. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-labour-supporters-general-election-lend-me-their-vote-brexit-success-eu-tory-leader-a7706096.html You're going to have to produce something a lot better than an article from the Independent, to convince anyone of your argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyf Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 1 hour ago, nontabury said: You're going to have to produce something a lot better than an article from the Independent, to convince anyone of your argument. So you believe that TM did not try and persuade labour voters to vote conservative for brexit, entirely up to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickJ Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 what does it even matter. Not a superpower. Who really cares and what difference does it make either way. Really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilostmypassword Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 38 minutes ago, NickJ said: what does it even matter. Not a superpower. Who really cares and what difference does it make either way. Really. What relevance does being a superpower have to this issue? Are the only issues that matter those concerning the USA and possibly China? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uptheos Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 I have never seen odds of 1/30 for any party in a general election. Its almost like saying the second will be still running after the race. No question of a May victory, but will be interesting to see the majority. At least she's put herself up to be voted for, rather than just be PM by default. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 7 hours ago, uptheos said: I have never seen odds of 1/30 for any party in a general election. Its almost like saying the second will be still running after the race. No question of a May victory, but will be interesting to see the majority. At least she's put herself up to be voted for, rather than just be PM by default. Tory majority odds is 1/8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vogie Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 4 minutes ago, SheungWan said: Tory majority odds is 1/8 By whom, odds I've seen are 1/25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khun Han Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 This is the spread for party winning the most seats: https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-uk-general-election/most-seats And here are Ladbrokes odds: https://sports.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/betting/politics/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uptheos Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 2 hours ago, SheungWan said: Tory majority odds is 1/8 Those odds would be buying dosh! https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-uk-general-election/most-seats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2702 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 On 18/04/2017 at 7:17 PM, Mosha said: Hopefully Blair will stick his oar in. Sent from my iris 505 using Tapatalk Well said that cat. Blairs got some bottle he'd win over all corners and unite us much better than this secretary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosha Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Well said that cat. Blairs got some bottle he'd win over all corners and unite us much better than this secretary.I think you misunderstood me. He should be locked up.Sent from my iris 505 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citybiker Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Well said that cat. Blairs got some bottle he'd win over all corners and unite us much better than this secretary.He united the Middle East really well in his previous peace envoy job....Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 5 hours ago, uptheos said: Those odds would be buying dosh! https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-uk-general-election/most-seats Need to be careful. Party With Most Seats odds would potentially be a setback for the Conservatives as they won a majority (over all other parties) at the last election, so having one more seat than Labour in reality a defeat from where we are now. The odds I am looking at is Overall Majority and the shortest I am looking at now is 1/14, though BF where the real action is, longer at 2/15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 An off-topic post has been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 22 hours ago, sandyf said: So you believe that TM did not try and persuade labour voters to vote conservative for brexit, entirely up to you. TM does not need to persuade many Labour Voters all the time that Jeremy Corbyn is the Labour party leader. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-39747199 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 I'm pretty sure that this vote will be about brexit - and voters will likely vote according to whichever party supports their remain or leave opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 1 minute ago, dick dasterdly said: I'm pretty sure that this vote will be about brexit - and voters will likely vote according to whichever party supports their remain or leave opinion. Thanks for letting us know that you are pretty sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, SheungWan said: Thanks for letting us know that you are pretty sure. No problem . My point was badly made as I was only intending to point out that Corbyn's effectiveness/popularity is largely irrelevant as the Labour Party is supporting remain - and so their 'leave' voters in Labour held areas are likely to vote tory. Similarly, 'remain' voters in Conservative areas are likely to vote SDP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 2 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said: No problem . My point was badly made as I was only intending to point out that Corbyn's effectiveness/popularity is largely irrelevant as the Labour Party is supporting remain - and so their 'leave' voters in Labour held areas are likely to vote tory. Similarly, 'remain' voters in Conservative areas are likely to vote SDP. The Labour Party civil war which is still continuing and broke out over Corbyn's behaviour over Brexit cannot be discounted. PS only Rip Van Winkle would still think the SDP is running.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 14 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said: No problem . My point was badly made as I was only intending to point out that Corbyn's effectiveness/popularity is largely irrelevant as the Labour Party is supporting remain - and so their 'leave' voters in Labour held areas are likely to vote tory. Similarly, 'remain' voters in Conservative areas are likely to vote SDP. 8 minutes ago, SheungWan said: The Labour Party civil war which is still continuing and broke out over Corbyn's behaviour over Brexit cannot be discounted. PS only Rip Van Winkle would still think the SDP is running.... My mistake and, to make it worse, I initially typed SNP . Nonetheless (ignoring the semantics), I stand by my post about the way people are likely IMO to vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilostmypassword Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 53 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said: I'm pretty sure that this vote will be about brexit - and voters will likely vote according to whichever party supports their remain or leave opinion. Given that Corbyn's support for remaining in the EU was tepid and that polls show a very different breakdown between the Brexit issue and the elections, it seems clear that this is not the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyf Posted April 30, 2017 Share Posted April 30, 2017 19 hours ago, billd766 said: TM does not need to persuade many Labour Voters all the time that Jeremy Corbyn is the Labour party leader. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-39747199 I wouldn't disagree on that Bill, but not in context with the original point. "as she(TM) made an audacious appeal to Labour supporters to “lend me their vote” to strengthen her hand." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 Bloomberg reporting polls showing UKIP vote collapsing in favour of the Tories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citybiker Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 Bloomberg reporting polls showing UKIP vote collapsing in favour of the Tories.I'd be cautious from left wing Bloomberg analysis however UKIP will struggle in this GE that's for sure, if they get one seat it's a bonus even if it's Nuttal's Skegness & Boston challenge.Attempting to acquire a credible source on the forthcoming GE when many parties have their own staunch agenda is near pointless. UKIP's main focus is survival and pressurising the Tories on a pragmatic Brexit.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 20 minutes ago, citybiker said: I'd be cautious from left wing Bloomberg analysis however UKIP will struggle in this GE that's for sure, if they get one seat it's a bonus even if it's Nuttal's Skegness & Boston challenge. Attempting to acquire a credible source on the forthcoming GE when many parties have their own staunch agenda is near pointless. UKIP's main focus is survival and pressurising the Tories on a pragmatic Brexit. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk 'er one UKIP MP who has left the Party, 3 leaders in 12 months and the current leader shy about whether he is going to stand. Time to drum up some Alternative Facts pronto! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 22 hours ago, citybiker said: I'd be cautious from left wing Bloomberg analysis however UKIP will struggle in this GE that's for sure, if they get one seat it's a bonus even if it's Nuttal's Skegness & Boston challenge. Attempting to acquire a credible source on the forthcoming GE when many parties have their own staunch agenda is near pointless. UKIP's main focus is survival and pressurising the Tories on a pragmatic Brexit. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk One seat is a bonus? Right-O. UKIP wants a pragmatic Brexit? Keep 'em coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citybiker Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 Depends on your Brexit viewpoint, a clear signal to EU's Junker to pin your ear's back & listen, the UK is no push over. "During the Conservative Party leadership campaign I was described by one of my colleagues as a bloody difficult woman. And I said at the time the next person to find that out will be Jean-Claude Juncker." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39784170 (Kenneth Clark (remainer) was & still is the only staunch EU Conservative fan.)Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyf Posted May 4, 2017 Share Posted May 4, 2017 Lost the plot? Does the UK want Trump as a role model? The ferocity of the speech stunned Westminster and sent shockwaves all the way to Brussels where senior figures remained tight-lipped in the wake of the attack, while domestic rivals accused Ms May of irresponsible electioneering and mimicking Donald Trump in “winding up” scraps with foreign leaders. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-news-theresa-may-uk-eu-new-low-relationhips-amid-pm-attack-a7716481.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 UK Local Election results: Daily Telegraph reporting UKIP 'obliterated'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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