Do you think Trump will be impeached or forced to resign?

[Skywalker69]

3 minutes ago, sirineou said:

Sure, she is very entertaining, who doesn't love entertainment?

only a small minority who is interested in what actually happened.

If you are looking for that on TV you are looking at the wrong place.

Rachel Maddow's dedication to covering Flint water crisis wins her an Emmy

 

http://www.freep.com/story/entertainment/2017/10/06/rachel-maddow-emmy-flint-water-crisis/740242001/

[sirineou]

3 minutes ago, Skywalker69 said:

Rachel Maddow's dedication to covering Flint water crisis wins her an Emmy

 

http://www.freep.com/story/entertainment/2017/10/06/rachel-maddow-emmy-flint-water-crisis/740242001/

you don't need to convince me , I agree, she is on top of her game,

only a fool would not wrap disinformation in a blanket of truth, and she is certainly no fool.

PS: http://www.freep.com/story/entertainment/2017/10/06/rachel-maddow-emmy-flint-water-crisis/740242001/

Edited October 8, 2017 by sirineou

[Skywalker69]

Ken Starr predicts indictments in Russia pro

 

Ken Starr, the former independent counsel in the Whitewater and Monica Lewinsky scandals during Bill Clinton’s presidency, predicted Saturday that there would likely be indictments in special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe into Russia's election meddling.

 

“Given what we do know, especially given what happened this summer with respect to the FBI’s intrusion into Paul Manafort’s condominium, in light of the revelations that we’ve seen about General Flynn, I have a sense that there will in fact be indictments,” Starr said on CNN’s “Smerconish," referring to President Trump's former campaign chairman and his first national security adviser, respectively.

 

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/354379-ken-starr-predicts-indictments-in-trump-russia-probe#.Wdoa03mhZK0.facebook

[MrPatrickThai]

3 hours ago, Skywalker69 said:

This tread is not about Clinton!!!

Well spotted Sherlock!

[MrPatrickThai]

6 hours ago, MrPatrickThai said:

Now give me ONE link with any FACTS about Putin helping Trump.

As I thought, nobody can.

[Jingthing]

6 minutes ago, MrPatrickThai said:

As I thought, nobody can.

Bull. 

 

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/01/06/u-s-report-putin-ordered-effort-to-help-trump-hurt-clinton/

[Scott]

Please stop feeding the troll.  

[Credo]

Here's a book that might be worth a read:

 

The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President

It's available on line.   I haven't had a chance to read it yet, but will order it in the near future.   

[Skywalker69]

Google uncovers Russia-linked ad campaigns aimed at manipulating US election

 

Google has said it found evidence that Russian operatives exploited its platforms to spread disinformation. Facebook and Twitter have also said they uncovered politically divisive content emanating from Russia.

 

http://www.dw.com/en/google-uncovers-russia-linked-ad-campaigns-aimed-at-manipulating-us-election/a-40881312

[MrPatrickThai]

23 minutes ago, Skywalker69 said:

Google uncovers Russia-linked ad campaigns aimed at manipulating US election

 

Google has said it found evidence that Russian operatives exploited its platforms to spread disinformation. Facebook and Twitter have also said they uncovered politically divisive content emanating from Russia.

 

http://www.dw.com/en/google-uncovers-russia-linked-ad-campaigns-aimed-at-manipulating-us-election/a-40881312

Get over it, you lost. It's the same in every election, both sides use dirty tricks.

 

And there is no proof  that Putin had anything to do with it. And certainly not Trumps fault  if some Russians saw through Clinton and didn't want her.

Edited October 10, 2017 by MrPatrickThai

[craigt3365]

4 minutes ago, MrPatrickThai said:

Get over it, you lost. It's the same in every election, both sides use dirty tricks.

 

And there is no proof  that Putin had anything to do with it. And certainly not Trumps fault  if some Russians saw through Clinton and didn't want her.

It's not about winning or losing.  And this isn't about one side or another using dirty tricks.  This is about an hostile country trying to influence the elections.  Not sure where you are from, but I doubt you'd be very happy if this happened to your home country.  Luckily,  a majority in the US aren't happy either.  Election results mean nothing here.

[MrPatrickThai]

Just now, craigt3365 said:

Election results mean nothing here.

Wow, in the land of the free, you don't believe in Democracy. Or is it just the most recent one as you don't like the result?

[craigt3365]

4 minutes ago, MrPatrickThai said:

Wow, in the land of the free, you don't believe in Democracy. Or is it just the most recent one as you don't like the result?

What's democracy got to do with breaking the laws?

[MrPatrickThai]

Just now, craigt3365 said:

What's democracy got to do with breaking the laws?

Tell me the last US president that got into office that didn't break any laws.

[craigt3365]

1 minute ago, MrPatrickThai said:

Tell me the last US president that got into office that didn't break any laws.

Stop trolling, please.

[FritsSikkink]

A racist in the WH:

 

[Jingthing]

He's really got to go. 

Can the country even survive a full term of a such an unfit nut job potus? 

 

"Trump has caused a catastrophe. Let’s end it quickly.

 

There is really only one issue in American politics at this moment : Will we accelerate our way to the end of the Trump story, or will our government remain mired in scandal , misdirection and paralysis for many more months — or even years ?"

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-has-caused-a-catastrophe-lets-end-it-quickly/2017/05/17/17f12630-3b40-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html

Edited October 10, 2017 by Jingthing

[boomerangutang]

From another perspective:  as long as he stays in the Oval Office, he will, at the least continue to create dire problems at the helm of the Republican Party.  In some ways, that's good. Right-wing Americans need to see definitively, how harmful-to-America Trump, Pence, and Republican politicians are.   

 

Oh wait, right-wingers have already seen it, and they continue to pledge allegiance to the pussy-grabbing, name-calling, anti-health-care, lower-taxes-for-rich, itching-to-start-WWIII group of old white men who head the GOP.

 

Interesting how quiet Ryan and McConnel have been in past weeks.  They're like the wives of a child molester who can't get themselves to tell authorities.   

[Skywalker69]

 

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, boomerangutang said:

From another perspective:  as long as he stays in the Oval Office, he will, at the least continue to create dire problems at the helm of the Republican Party.  In some ways, that's good. Right-wing Americans need to see definitively, how harmful-to-America Trump, Pence, and Republican politicians are.   

 

Oh wait, right-wingers have already seen it, and they continue to pledge allegiance to the pussy-grabbing, name-calling, anti-health-care, lower-taxes-for-rich, itching-to-start-WWIII group of old white men who head the GOP.

 

Interesting how quiet Ryan and McConnel have been in past weeks.  They're like the wives of a child molester who can't get themselves to tell authorities.   

Sorry, the risk of nuclear war is just too high under trump. Also there is the risk that the damage he is doing to American institutions may become permanent the longer he occupies the oval office.

 

Some things "trump" partisan concerns. 

Edited October 10, 2017 by Jingthing

[CaptHaddock]

8 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Sorry, the risk of nuclear war is just too high under trump. Also there is the risk that the damage he is doing to American institutions may become permanent the longer he occupies the oval office.

 

Some things "trump" partisan concerns. 

It's true that we are all more likely to die in nuclear winter with DT as president.  Nevertheless, I think it's better having him in the WH than Pence, because Trump's incompetence impedes the Republican program.  If Pence were president, I think it more likely that the Rs would pass more of their agenda, which aside from nuclear holocaust, is the real problem facing America.  The Rs have done quite a bit of damage to American institutions all on their own, e.g. refusing even to hold hearing on Obama's Supreme Court pick, passing a law shelving civilian control of the military, and let's not forget Gore v. Bush or the Patriot Act. 

 

What I expect is that Mueller will bring indictments againt Flynn, Manafort, Kushner, DT Jr, and others some of whom will flip and testify against Trump making major revelations of Trump criminal and treasonous activity.  At that point the Congress will be unable to do anything other than deal with the Trump issues.  That would suit me.

[Thakkar]

1 hour ago, CaptHaddock said:

It's true that we are all more likely to die in nuclear winter with DT as president.  Nevertheless, I think it's better having him in the WH than Pence, because Trump's incompetence impedes the Republican program.  If Pence were president, I think it more likely that the Rs would pass more of their agenda, which aside from nuclear holocaust, is the real problem facing America.  The Rs have done quite a bit of damage to American institutions all on their own, e.g. refusing even to hold hearing on Obama's Supreme Court pick, passing a law shelving civilian control of the military, and let's not forget Gore v. Bush or the Patriot Act. 

 

What I expect is that Mueller will bring indictments againt Flynn, Manafort, Kushner, DT Jr, and others some of whom will flip and testify against Trump making major revelations of Trump criminal and treasonous activity.  At that point the Congress will be unable to do anything other than deal with the Trump issues.  That would suit me.

 

Sigh...Who would’ve guessed that just nine months after Obama we’d be arguing over a choice between nuclear winter and a world as depicted in The Handmaid’s Tale—and that perfectly rational folk would prefer the former, while other, also perfectly rational folk, prefer the latter?

[boomerangutang]

1 hour ago, CaptHaddock said:

It's true that we are all more likely to die in nuclear winter with DT as president.  Nevertheless, I think it's better having him in the WH than Pence, because Trump's incompetence impedes the Republican program.  If Pence were president, I think it more likely that the Rs would pass more of their agenda, which aside from nuclear holocaust, is the real problem facing America.  The Rs have done quite a bit of damage to American institutions all on their own, e.g. refusing even to hold hearing on Obama's Supreme Court pick, passing a law shelving civilian control of the military, and let's not forget Gore v. Bush or the Patriot Act. 

 

What I expect is that Mueller will bring indictments againt Flynn, Manafort, Kushner, DT Jr, and others some of whom will flip and testify against Trump making major revelations of Trump criminal and treasonous activity.  At that point the Congress will be unable to do anything other than deal with the Trump issues.  That would suit me.

You're right.  The low-hanging fruit is what Mueller's team is focused on at this early stage.  The investigators are in mafia-busting mode, trying to get the smaller fry to snitch on the bigger fish.  However, even Mueller's team will tread carefully when it comes to Trump's family.  

 

I'd like to see a full-court-press (a basketball term) to bust each person who's found guilty of breaking laws.  To some extent that will be done, but I worry the kidd gloves will stay on for Ivanka, Kushner, and Trump Jr and Sr.     

[Srikcir]

1 hour ago, CaptHaddock said:

passing a law shelving civilian control of the military

Can you clarify that?

Civilian control is a constitutional matter that can't be revoked by congressional legislation. Trump did exempt retired military generals from the minimum 3-year separation requirement in order to serve in the Trump administration.

[CaptHaddock]

32 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

Can you clarify that?

Civilian control is a constitutional matter that can't be revoked by congressional legislation. Trump did exempt retired military generals from the minimum 3-year separation requirement in order to serve in the Trump administration.

Civilian control of the military is not mentioned in the Constitution.  Neither are the Cabinet or political parties.  In the absence of a cabinet the president as commander-in-chief would always be in direct control of the military and there was nothing to prevent the election of a general as president, as many were, starting with Washington. 

 

However, the tradition of civilian control of the military was established by statute after WWII, the National Security Act of 1947 (the same law which established the national security state apparatus such as the CIA) requiring that a former military officer could only become Secretary of Defense/War after having been retired ten years from service, later amended to seven year.  This requirement was waived by Congress to enable George Marshall to become Secy of Defense in 1950.  The Republican Congress similarly waived the requirement to enable Mattis to become Secy of Defense with only mild objections from the Dems.

 

To those Americans who imagine that a written constitution is any more reliable guarantee of restraint of governmental abuse, by comparison with the unwritten constitution of the British, for instance, should note how much of our democracy rests on traditions like this one and the tradition that the president not seek to profit from holding office.

[Boon Mee]

19 hours ago, Jingthing said:

 

The manner in which the Democrats are conducting themselves after the election certainly assures Trump to last his two full terms.

The Harvey Weinstein Scandal certainly hasn't been beneficial for them plus the big nothingburger(s) re Russia! - haven't helped either. 

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

The manner in which the Democrats are conducting themselves after the election certainly assures Trump to last his two full terms.

The Harvey Weinstein Scandal certainly hasn't been beneficial for them plus the big nothingburger(s) re Russia! - haven't helped either. 

The Harvey Weinstein Scandal?  So you think it's ok for the President to be a sexual predator, but not a movie producer?

 

The Russian investigation has already revealed massive attempts using social media to influence the election and identified numerous shady meetings and suspicious, illegal omissions from security forms of high level administration people.  Hardly a nothing burger.   This from an investigation less than a year old.  Compare this to the Clinton Whitewater Investigation, which went on for years, addressed a far less complex issue, and only came up with the President lying about a BJ.

[mogandave]

Impeach 45 today!!!!


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[ilostmypassword]

8 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

The manner in which the Democrats are conducting themselves after the election certainly assures Trump to last his two full terms.

The Harvey Weinstein Scandal certainly hasn't been beneficial for them plus the big nothingburger(s) re Russia! - haven't helped either. 

Well, if the Weinstein Scandal hasn't been beneficial for the Democrats, then the Fox News scandal should be positively cancerous for the Republicans. Except of course, that these are the people who voted for Trump. So it may even be a boost for the USA's beleaguered President.

Edited October 11, 2017 by ilostmypassword

[ilostmypassword]

BENGHAZI REDUX?

Niger Attack Lays Bare U.S. Troops’ Long Wait for Medical Help in Africa

When a team of Green Berets in unarmored pickup trucks came under fire in Niger last week, they quickly found themselves in the middle of a nightmare battlefield scenario: outgunned, taking casualties and far from friendly support.

The operation, which left four American soldiers dead and two wounded, is now under investigation, Pentagon officials said. That inquiry, senior military officials said, will likely reveal that the American troops had deployed to a hostile area without adequately assessing the risk, and lacked ready access to medical support.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/10/world/africa/niger-attack-american-military-medical-evacuations.html?_r=0

 

Turns out that the military had been asking for more support for months.  But Trump just left US troops there to die. An impeachable offense?

Edited October 11, 2017 by ilostmypassword