bannork Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 2 hours ago, rockingrobin said: I understand the mother spoke to the treating physician I wonder if you're referring to the same article I read last week where The B.P. reporter said the doctor who treated Elise said she could have been displaying signs of decompensation- a failure to deal with stress and everyday changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krenjai Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 (edited) As posted by others: Is there any link(s) that I must have missed that show Elise was treated (for what) and the mother spoke with the treating doctors of the hospital/clinic? And one more thing: "The two friends of Elise came to get her. She was looking good they said". Who are these friends? Where did they come form? Did they travel from Koh Phangan to Bangkok? Anybody? Edited July 15, 2017 by Krenjai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krenjai Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Anybody with a smartphone (Android or iPhone) can track his previous movements (day & time) through your history Google Maps Geotagging. (Amazing a lot of people don't know this). Just log into your Google Account Personal Info & Privacy Manage your Google Activity Go to activity controls Location History Most people will have a this feature turned on (I think by default) so you know where and when a photo was taken. The fact Elise phone is missing does not matter in this case. Of course this only works if your phone is turned on and you have GPS coverage or if you are connected to internet but aren't we all nowadays, either prepaid, by contract or through wifi coverage everywhere? So investigating RTP or anybody, go and log into Elise her Google account and track her movements! You might even find the phone if still in use. https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-delete-and-disable-your-google-location-history/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BifBaker Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 I was inquiring about a position on Ko Tao. I asked if they provided life insurance. Answer, Yes, we can add that for you. Ouch !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 21 hours ago, bannork said: Her 'funny turn' of standing too near the tracks was deemed serious enough to warrant a 4 day stay in a psychiatric hospital. 18 hours ago, Khun Han said: Which was eventually diagnosed as disorientation caused by heat exhaustion/dehydration. 18 hours ago, bannork said: Link please And that's the point - we're yet again having to rely on 'evidence' as to an earlier suicide attempt - without any corroboration, other than 'he said/she said'..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khunken Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 8 hours ago, bannork said: There's no details in there from any witnesses in reference to the deaths and disappearances of farang tourists. Nothing at all. I didn't say there was. I replied to your claim that no tourists had reported anything after going back to their country. What the article does say is that the writer did visit Koh Tao and gathered quite a few opinions from anonymous (for obvious reasons) locals who just confirmed that a mafia (or mafias) run the island and it and other places in Thailand are not safe from abnormal danger. Anyone who has lived here for a while knows what a bunch of bribe-takers the BIB are and putting that with all the lying & exaggerated statements from the local & outside BIB dealing with Koh Tao, the island deserves the 'death island' moniker. No one can prove either way which of the deaths were murder (except 1), suicide, or accidental but it is very easy to prove that the police deliberately, incompetently & inactively didn't make a good job of any of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannork Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Fair enough Khunken,.The point i am trying to make, rather repeatedly I'm afraid, is that no one, and by no one I mean tourists, has come forward in any of the cases that have been in the news to point a finger (when they are safely back in their own country or abroad) to say they saw a man about 5 feet tall with a scar on his left cheek etc, beating so and so etc..... Detail, details....finger pointing. No youtube videos, no emails. Even The Hannah and David case only produced the very dubious Scottish character who has remained silent to this day even though he lives safely in Italy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockingrobin Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 2 hours ago, bannork said: I wonder if you're referring to the same article I read last week where The B.P. reporter said the doctor who treated Elise said she could have been displaying signs of decompensation- a failure to deal with stress and everyday changes. No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLobster Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 I see that most the usual Koh Toa defence team members are posting in the pretence of being neutral. This isn't serious, they haven't brought out the big guns yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balo Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 22 hours ago, Krenjai said: "The two friends of Elise came to get her. She was looking good they said". Who are these friends? Where did they come form? Maybe they also belonged to the same sect and under control of this guru ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khun Han Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 1 hour ago, balo said: Maybe they also belonged to the same sect and under control of this guru ? But you are pushing the RTP line that Elise committed suicide. It appears that you also take the DiscoDan, bannork, et-al approach of chasing any theory on all the strange deaths on Koh Tao which doesn't include any form of foul play by the island's depraved, hillybilly, 'The Hills Have Eyes/Deliverance' mafia clan. Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balo Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 Nothing interesting in that , I want the truth and it's easy to always blame it on murder and that the Thai mafia did it. In this case we are not sure if it was a murder, but feel free to speculate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 A grammar police troll post has been removed. Off topic posts and replies have now been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khun Han Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 1 hour ago, balo said: Nothing interesting in that , I want the truth and it's easy to always blame it on murder and that the Thai mafia did it. In this case we are not sure if it was a murder, but feel free to speculate. If you wanted the truth, you would be receptive to, and interested in exploring ALL possibilities. The fact is, you endlessly deflect and divert from ANY possibility that a well-known group of connected Koh Tao nasties (with a long track record of complaints of violence, intimidation and sexual harrassment being levelled against them, including by Thais) could be in any way involved in any of the strange deaths or in Hannah and David's murders. I am still receptive to the possibilities that all the strange deaths and disappearance could have innocent explanations. It's just that, the more obfuscation and covering up by the Thai authorities comes to light, and the more a small group of posters are all over the internet sticking up for the Koh Tao mafia whilst pushing every other theory imaginable, the more.....well, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khunken Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 41 minutes ago, Khun Han said: If you wanted the truth, you would be receptive to, and interested in exploring ALL possibilities. The fact is, you endlessly deflect and divert from ANY possibility that a well-known group of connected Koh Tao nasties (with a long track record of complaints of violence, intimidation and sexual harrassment being levelled against them, including by Thais) could be in any way involved in any of the strange deaths or in Hannah and David's murders. I am still receptive to the possibilities that all the strange deaths and disappearance could have innocent explanations. It's just that, the more obfuscation and covering up by the Thai authorities comes to light, and the more a small group of posters are all over the internet sticking up for the Koh Tao mafia whilst pushing every other theory imaginable, the more.....well, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck..... The thing is that we don't know for sure what happened with Elise. You are right to say that some posters seem to be almost professional deflectors of any possibility that she was murdered. Speculation is always going to occur on TVF, especially when the police, apart from carrying out a very unsatisfactory investigation, use a twisted version of a previous incident to try to boost their case that she was suicidal. All we can do is weigh up the events that the police claim to have happened and form a judgement of whether those portrayed events are likely to have culminated in suicide or not. Personally I don't believe it was suicide but I also don't believe the serial killer proposition. In a mafia controlled island, there's bound to be more than one gangster capable of attacking young women. That's as far as I can take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khun Han Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 36 minutes ago, khunken said: The thing is that we don't know for sure what happened with Elise. You are right to say that some posters seem to be almost professional deflectors of any possibility that she was murdered. Speculation is always going to occur on TVF, especially when the police, apart from carrying out a very unsatisfactory investigation, use a twisted version of a previous incident to try to boost their case that she was suicidal. All we can do is weigh up the events that the police claim to have happened and form a judgement of whether those portrayed events are likely to have culminated in suicide or not. Personally I don't believe it was suicide but I also don't believe the serial killer proposition. In a mafia controlled island, there's bound to be more than one gangster capable of attacking young women. That's as far as I can take it. I pretty much agree with you Ken. But the island has long had a reputation, especially amongst Thais, for the thuggish, violent, mafia-type behaviour of some of it's locals (in particular, one family and it's clan), Combine this with the routine obstruction of investigation/justice by the island's police in all these deaths, and every strange death warrants serious attention being placed on said groupings. It would be ignoring the elephant in the room not to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balo Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 The fact is that you dont know anything about what happened. Try to bash Thais all you want , thats what this forum is about by the looks of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khun Han Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 2 hours ago, balo said: The fact is that you dont know anything about what happened. Try to bash Thais all you want , thats what this forum is about by the looks of it. Your attempts at diversion get more and more ridiculous. Ask just about any Thai person outside of Koh Tao what they think is going down on that godforsaken island, then accuse them of Thai-bashing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannork Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 9 minutes ago, Khun Han said: Your attempts at diversion get more and more ridiculous. Ask just about any Thai person outside of Koh Tao what they think is going down on that godforsaken island, then accuse them of Thai-bashing. If you ask working class Thais ( the vast majority), about Koh Tao, they have never heard of it or been there.They are too busy earning a living where ever they are. The middle class with money to spare yes, they may go there. Here's Porntip Rojanasunan, the well known forensic pathologist, on a trip there just last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onthesoi Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 4 hours ago, Khun Han said: I pretty much agree with you Ken. But the island has long had a reputation, especially amongst Thais, for the thuggish, violent, mafia-type behaviour of some of it's locals (in particular, one family and it's clan), Combine this with the routine obstruction of investigation/justice by the island's police in all these deaths, and every strange death warrants serious attention being placed on said groupings. It would be ignoring the elephant in the room not to do so. The tinfoil elephant you speak of exists only in your mind....not the room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannork Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 1 minute ago, onthesoi said: The tinfoil elephant you speak of exists only in your mind....not the room. Khun Han is not even in Thailand! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khun Han Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 9 minutes ago, bannork said: Khun Han is not even in Thailand! And bannork isn't even in Koh Tao, nor has he ever been there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLobster Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 (edited) On 15/07/2017 at 5:17 PM, TheLobster said: :I see that most the usual Koh Toa defence team members are posting in the pretence of being neutral. This isn't serious, they haven't brought out the big guns yet. 5 hours ago, khunken said: The thing is that we don't know for sure what happened with Elise. You are right to say that some posters seem to be almost professional deflectors of any possibility that she was murdered. Speculation is always going to occur on TVF, especially when the police, apart from carrying out a very unsatisfactory investigation, use a twisted version of a previous incident to try to boost their case that she was suicidal. All we can do is weigh up the events that the police claim to have happened and form a judgement of whether those portrayed events are likely to have culminated in suicide or not. Personally I don't believe it was suicide but I also don't believe the serial killer proposition. In a mafia controlled island, there's bound to be more than one gangster capable of attacking young women. That's as far as I can take it. We have the usual Koh Tao defense crew here: balo, bannork & onthesoi. Edited July 16, 2017 by TheLobster grammar correction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khun Han Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 14 minutes ago, onthesoi said: The tinfoil elephant you speak of exists only in your mind....not the room. Oh, the elephant (Koh Tao mafia) most certainly exists Sweet. It's your hapless task to persuade people that it doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khun Han Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 26 minutes ago, bannork said: If you ask working class Thais ( the vast majority), about Koh Tao, they have never heard of it or been there.They are too busy earning a living where ever they are. The middle class with money to spare yes, they may go there. Here's Porntip Rojanasunan, the well known forensic pathologist, on a trip there just last week. And your assessment of the knowledge of working class Thais couldn't be more wrong. Most of them have internet these days, and most of them know about the big stories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannork Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 4 minutes ago, Khun Han said: And bannork isn't even in Koh Tao, nor has he ever been there. But I'm in Thailand and I can confidently say your remark -. Ask just about any Thai person outside of Koh Tao what they think is going down on that godforsaken island- will mean nothing to most Thais. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannork Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 1 minute ago, Khun Han said: And your assessment of the knowledge of working class Thais couldn't be more wrong. Most of them have internet these days, and most of them know about the big stories. Jeez, what do you know about me? I've lived in Thailand for 30 years, I've been married to a Thai for over 20 years.Our 3 daughters are like most Thais , enthusiastic social media users, especially Facebook and its various offshoots. None of them or their friends give a monkey about Koh Tao. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khun Han Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 12 minutes ago, bannork said: But I'm in Thailand and I can confidently say your remark -. Ask just about any Thai person outside of Koh Tao what they think is going down on that godforsaken island- will mean nothing to most Thais. Really? How did you conduct your mass opinion poll of most Thais? I go off what Thai family and friends both here in the UK and in Thailand tell me (maybe you've heard of that newfangled invention called telecommunications?). All know about Koh Tao, and all, to a man and woman, think it woz the mafia wot done it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khun Han Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 15 minutes ago, bannork said: Jeez, what do you know about me? I've lived in Thailand for 30 years, I've been married to a Thai for over 20 years.Our 3 daughters are like most Thais , enthusiastic social media users, especially Facebook and its various offshoots. None of them or their friends give a monkey about Koh Tao. Grreat job you've done of bringing them up . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khunken Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 24 minutes ago, bannork said: But I'm in Thailand and I can confidently say your remark -. Ask just about any Thai person outside of Koh Tao what they think is going down on that godforsaken island- will mean nothing to most Thais. And that is just about the same level of uninformed speculation that you complain about regarding Koh Tao. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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