Yingluck’s supporters threatened over verdict

[williamgeorgeallen]

case must go through the legal system, except if it involves amnesty that is. wonder if yingluck could have given herself an amnesty over all of this.

[sujoop]

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

Let's hope the yellow shirts will not take advantage of the situation and create an incident to give cause for the junta to prolong their illegal stay. They are very good at this.  

Actually the real pros at taking advantage of a situation by creating incidents (RPG's bombs, black shirt snipers etc)  to incite and false flag blame have a long and repeated history since 2006.  Note in the 'other' paper Red Shirt leader Weng is making familiar threats again (paraphrasing)  that on Aug 1 and 25 the 'handling of people'  coming to the court on those days 'will be difficult'  also stating  'If mistakes happen',  the Govt will cause damage to themselves'..... (sounds like a veiled threat or the outline of a plan to do something and blame the Govt/Army?)

 

One wonders what the Red Shirt leader is either party to, or has prior knowledge of? Seen this movie before, usually really kicks off following seizure of 'family' funds, or losing a court case that didn't get swayed by a pastry bag full of cash  (delivered via Thaksin's lawyer ).

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 hour ago, yellowboat said:

Don't think that was the entire voting block, just a few bad apples.  Don't condone violence of any sort, but when rule of law is in question and free speech is quashed, there will be civil disobedience as there is not outlet for legitimate grievance to be heard.   How does one even begin to reconcile with that?

 

In terms of the Red Shirts' track record, civil disobedience is one thing. Burning buildings, bombings and shootings are something else.

 

Back when they were free to run amok, they seemed to have little experience with the former, and a whole lot with the latter.

 

[Eric Loh]

30 minutes ago, sujoop said:

Actually the real pros at taking advantage of a situation by creating incidents (RPG's bombs, black shirt snipers etc)  to incite and false flag blame have a long and repeated history since 2006.  Note in the 'other' paper Red Shirt leader Weng is making familiar threats again (paraphrasing)  that on Aug 1 and 25 the 'handling of people'  coming to the court on those days 'will be difficult'  also stating  'If mistakes happen',  the Govt will cause damage to themselves'..... (sounds like a veiled threat or the outline of a plan to do something and blame the Govt/Army?)

 

One wonders what the Red Shirt leader is either party to, or has prior knowledge of? Seen this movie before, usually really kicks off following seizure of 'family' funds, or losing a court case that didn't get swayed by a pastry bag full of cash  (delivered via Thaksin's lawyer ).

That's what happen when the majority of the population see injustice and double standard conviction and their elected leaders robbed of power. Happen anywhere in the world.  

[docshock13]

Why don't supporters stay home and show support through social media? This would have the same effect and also preclude any potential attempts by opposing agent provocateurs from starting an incident. 

[Eric Loh]

Just now, docshock13 said:

Why don't supporters stay home and show support through social media? This would have the same effect and also preclude any potential attempts by opposing agent provocateurs from starting an incident. 

Not wise when there is a draconian computer crime act that is often wrongly interpreted by the courts resulting in jail time. Poor nurse just shared a story and now may face 10-15 years behind bar. This is an evil time for free expression. 

[Baerboxer]

6 hours ago, tracker1 said:

I did not know that gathering outside a court could be classed as Contempt of Court then again this is Thailand Prayut said authorities would not obstruct gatherings by Yingluck’s supporters, but arranging vehicles loaded with supporters would be deemed “unacceptable " Very confusing !

 

I think it refers to past practices. Transporting large numbers of people (who are often reimbursed for their time and trouble and given food and drink), organizing provocative demonstrations aimed at intimidating the judges and warning what will happen if the "wrong" verdict is given out, acting violently or inciting others to, etc.

 

The past practices of attempted bribery, threats and intimidation to judges, and aggressive illegal behavior outside a court from a transported in specifically  recruited crowd are no longer tolerated. People who wish to attend to support the accused, and behave in accordance with law, are. 

[Baerboxer]

3 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Not wise when there is a draconian computer crime act that is often wrongly interpreted by the courts resulting in jail time. Poor nurse just shared a story and now may face 10-15 years behind bar. This is an evil time for free expression. 

 

Always has been because the Computer Crime Act was used before the Junta; as was the draconian defamation laws.

 

Remember when Tharit was threatening to arrest someone for daring to draw a cartoon? Or a senior policeman threatening people would be prosecuted if they dares to just "like" any post criticizing the then government?

Well, they were before the Junta.

[YetAnother]

7 hours ago, webfact said:

The Finance Ministry has continued work to locate Yingluck’s assets in the absence of an injunction, the ministry’s permanent secretary Somchai Sujjapongse said yesterday.

haha; they accelerated their actions , likely to prevent monies disappearing , all the while dragging on any injunction

[Baerboxer]

30 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

That's what happen when the majority of the population see injustice and double standard conviction and their elected leaders robbed of power. Happen anywhere in the world.  

 

Majority of the population - that would be the large minority who supported a Thaksin owned political vehicle would it?

 

The "elected leaders" would that be the caretaker government under some stooge who replaced Yingluck who'd been removed by a court?

 

You can pretend that the Shins are democrats, socialists, and "honest as the day is long" if that's what floats your boat. Many do,

[Baerboxer]

2 minutes ago, YetAnother said:

haha; they accelerated their actions , likely to prevent monies disappearing , all the while dragging on any injunction

 

Think they've missed the boat on that one mate. 

 

 

[Eric Loh]

11 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Always has been because the Computer Crime Act was used before the Junta; as was the draconian defamation laws.

 

Remember when Tharit was threatening to arrest someone for daring to draw a cartoon? Or a senior policeman threatening people would be prosecuted if they dares to just "like" any post criticizing the then government?

Well, they were before the Junta.

You mean the cartoonist who drew a picture of Yingluck comparing her as a prostitute. Would you do the same and filed for defamation if someone drew a cartoon of you portraying you as a pimp. 

 

When was the Computer Crimes Act with the new draconian amendments enacted. Silly to qoute pre junta time.

[Baerboxer]

Just now, Eric Loh said:

You mean the cartoonist who drew a picture of Yingluck comparing her as a prostitute. Would you do the same and filed for defamation if someone drew a cartoon of you portraying you as a pimp. 

 

When was the Computer Crimes Act with the new draconian amendments enacted. Silly to qoute pre junta time.

 

Isn't that Tarit's interpretation of the cartoon you so vividly precis? What was your opinion of it? How would you interpret the satirical context?

 

Do you deny the existence of the Computer Crimes Act prior to the Junta? The fact it's been amended doesn't change the fact that the Shins also tried to use it to silence criticism and comments they didn't like. Or do you deny that too?

[JAG]

Whatever - I just hope there'll be SOME justice for what she did - after her brother gets kicked out she just comes up and uses his rice scheme to get celebrity status whilst the country bled billions of dollars...
 
Her being elected and popular is proof positive that the country doesn't qualify for democracy. You don't let your 3 year old kids vote on whether to eat eggs or chocolate for breakfast.

"Her being elected and popular is proof positive that the country doesn't qualify for democracy"

Stunning arrogance, or casual racism? Either way possibly the shallowest argument for the present regime I have seen for ages.

[LannaGuy]

2 hours ago, mercman24 said:

i just love it, she has still got this lot running scared ..big boss might have the tanks, to take over an elected government, but she still has a huge following, if there ever is an election this lot dont stand a snowballs chance in hell and he jolly well knows it. why do ya think he keeps stalling on the dates. 

Unfortunately they are 'fixing it' so they won't care who wins they still hold the levers of power. I hope the international community are not as naive as some posters on here.

[LannaGuy]

Just now, steven100 said:

lol ...  your obviously a red shirt supporter.

I am neither a red, yellow nor green shirt supporter. I support the Middle Way of democracy with all it's faults. We know who and what you are and who and what you support and it isn't pretty.

 

Whether your views are just ignorant or based on real belief in autocracy I haven't figured out yet but this is all temporary. 

[steven100]

2 minutes ago, LannaGuy said:

I am neither a red, yellow nor green shirt supporter. I support the Middle Way of democracy with all it's faults. We know who and what you are and who and what you support and it isn't pretty.

 

Whether your views are just ignorant or based on real belief in autocracy I haven't figured out yet but this is all temporary. 

as i said, imo democracy is only a word, it is not cast in stone that it's a must have.

what has democracy done for other western countries except put some a**hole in who doesn't give a rats for the pensioner, homeless, struggling families and many others, and only look after the corporate joints ... it's been proven within the banking system both in the US and Australia.

I know you don't like the Junta what ever they achieve & that's your opinion but it's a hell of alot better than constant protests, road blocks, fighting and insecurity.

Have a great day in amazing Thailand ..  !!

 

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Isn't that Tarit's interpretation of the cartoon you so vividly precis? What was your opinion of it? How would you interpret the satirical context?

 

Do you deny the existence of the Computer Crimes Act prior to the Junta? The fact it's been amended doesn't change the fact that the Shins also tried to use it to silence criticism and comments they didn't like. Or do you deny that too?

So how many charged for CCA and 112 before and after. 

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Majority of the population - that would be the large minority who supported a Thaksin owned political vehicle would it?

 

The "elected leaders" would that be the caretaker government under some stooge who replaced Yingluck who'd been removed by a court?

 

You can pretend that the Shins are democrats, socialists, and "honest as the day is long" if that's what floats your boat. Many do,

Get over it. The election was 7 years ago. Thaksin party won big time and formed the majority in Parliment. The election was certified by the EC and royally endorsed. Democracy won until those evil military seized power and with it the demise of democracy. They lucky to escape treason charges but karma will sure to catch up with those corrupt coup leaders. 

[DLang]

The verdict?

 

 

Don't they mean the announcement of what they decided long ago?

[ben2talk]

1 hour ago, steven100 said:

what has democracy done for other western countries except put some a**hole in who doesn't give a rats for the pensioner, homeless...

Right, you never voted for that crap, right? Thailand has a better take on dealing with homeless don't they? 

 

What is a pensioner? I thought someone worked and invested money to get a pension. What has this got to do with Democracy?

 

I thought I was putting a stupid argument... but yours really takes the biscuit.

[Teacherduck]

Why isn't Prayut charged with negligence and incompetence?

What constructive thing has he done in 3 years, Corruption is worse, road tolls unbelievable. Economy, what's that?

[steven100]

14 hours ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

If you have to ask that question then you need to get yourself an education. 

 

I'm serious mate. 

well it is what it is mate, so you'll just have to live with it.

[Thechook]

8 hours ago, Teacherduck said:

Why isn't Prayut charged with negligence and incompetence?

What constructive thing has he done in 3 years, Corruption is worse, road tolls unbelievable. Economy, what's that?

He gave himself an amnesty from all wrong doings, bad decisions and government spending when he took the country.  He is totally untouchable and answers to nobody not even god.  He planned ahead.

[Dave67]

20 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Let's hope the yellow shirts will not take advantage of the situation and create an incident to give cause for the junta to prolong their illegal stay. They are very good at this.  

Was thinking along the same lines myself