2017 Retirement Extension at Chaengwattana BKK

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Just returned from a relatively uneventful retirement extension and reentry permit updates process at Chaengwattana Immigration in Bangkok. I arrived just at 8:30 am opening time on a Wednesday, and was finished by 11:30 am, a bit before they started kicking out everyone for their noon hour lunch break.

 

A few odds and ends:

--no sign of any intrusive personal info form. Just the usual 3 added forms to sign at the officer's desk acknowledging you understand the rules, advising about overstay and one other.

 

--they seem to have again tweaked the retirement extension application process a bit from a year ago. This year, I only met with the one intake officer, completed the process with her, and then was told to go out and wait, and did until a student worker came out later and called me to pick up my newly stamped passport. Last year, they had everyone meeting with two officers, first an intake officer, then a supervisor, and then finally getting the process approved by a third officer. Now, if they're still doing that, everything after the first officer is behind the scenes.

 

The document requirements for the retirement extension application remained pretty much unchanged:

 

--passport with at least one year remaining validity

--completed TM7 application for extension of temporary stay--one sheet printed and filled out front and back.

--4x6 cm color photo of yourself pasted on the back side, and your mobile number written at the top of the BACK side.

--consular income affidavit or bank funds documentation.

--hand signed photocopies of your passport face page, most recent visa and entry stamps, and TM6 departure card. I had a new passport issued a couple years ago, so the officer this year also wanted a photocopy of the two facing pages where they had summarized all the prior visa/stamps info from my old passport.

--1900b cash fee.

 

As usual, brought a folder full of supporting documents:  statements covering my various income sources, Thai bank books, map to my home, utility bills showing my address, copy of my apartment lease, etc.  Wasn't asked for any of that.

 

As for the re-entry permit:

--passport with at least one year remaining validity

--completed and signed TM8 reentry permit application--one sheet printed and filled out front and back.

--4x6 cm color photo of yourself pasted on the back side, and your mobile phone number written at the top of the FRONT side.

--hand signed photocopies of your passport face page, most recent visa and entry stamps, and TM6 departure card. (The reentry permit staff didn't care about getting the facing pages from my passport with the old passport/visa info).

--1000b fee for the single entry permit, or 3800b for the multiple entry permit.

 

BTW, I asked this year if I could apply for and pay for TWO single entry permits, and the officer at the reentry permits intake desk said NO, only a single permit, single or multiple entry.

 

Travel stuff:

Took a taxi from Mochit BTS station to the Government Complex. Bumper to bumper traffic pretty much all the way. Left Mochit about 7:55 am and arrived CW just at 8:30 am just as Immigration had opened the doors and started to let the LONG queue inside. Taxi fare was 140 baht for the regular roads, no tollway travel.

 

Was issued a queue ticket for the L retirement extensions section about 8:40 am. Was called to meet with the first retirement extension officer about 45 minutes later at 9:25 am. Finished with her in about 15 minutes at 9:40 am, then got my stamped passport handed back about 10:15 am. The rest of the time until 11:30 am was applying for and waiting for the reentry permit.

 

[CyclingLight]

Instead of a taxi, it's quite convenient to take a minivan from MoChit BTS. If I remember correctly, they cost 25 baht and drop you at the entrance to the Government Complex on the road to Pakkred. There is a free shuttle down the long driveway to the buildings or you can take a motorbike taxi for 20 baht. The minivans are quite fast with only a few stops along the way, plus they often bypass a bit of traffic by traveling in the "commuter" lane. 

 

I often return from the Government Complex to Victory Monument by way of the bus that comes directly to the building that Immigration is in. Can't remember the number... I think it's 166. Took about 45 minutes leaving at 4pm last time. It travels on the expressway much of the route. Ask to verify the bus no. and that it's going the proper direction as one of the buses goes to Pakkred.

[fire69water]

The most sane way to go to the Govt Complex in CW is take the SRT locomotive train to Laksi and then hop into a motorcycle taxi to go there. Cheap and fast. Traffic jams are largely irrelevant. Have to check train timing though.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Yes, there is an air con 166 bus, usually blue color, that runs from the door of the Immigration Building to Victory Monument. No need to use the local government complex shuttle if you take that bus to VM, although the wait times between buses can be a bit long. I think the fare is 18 baht or so.

 

There also is a local #52 bus that runs between Mochit BTS and CW Road and stops at the CAT headquarters about a block short of CW Soi 7. So get off at the CAT stop, then walk a block to Soi 7, and catch the Government Complex local shuttle bus there that drops you off right at the Immigration building. I think the fare for #52 is 8 baht or so.

 

Yes you can take a minivan from Mochit, and yes you can take a train to Laksi and then mototaxi onto the Govt. complex.

 

However, when in Thailand, I DO NOT take minivans and DO NOT take mototaxis.... EVER! That's just my rule.

 

 

[berybert]

1 hour ago, fire69water said:

The most sane way to go to the Govt Complex in CW is take the SRT locomotive train to Laksi and then hop into a motorcycle taxi to go there. Cheap and fast. Traffic jams are largely irrelevant. Have to check train timing though.

I did that a couple of years ago from Hua Lamphong.  Only 4 or 7 baht cant remember now, but I do know it would have been quicker to walk.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Part of the reason I typically take a taxi in the morning is timing is relatively critical on that trip, as in I want to arrive at Immigration at the right time, and not too early to stand around in a long queue, and not too late as in long after they open at 8:30 am.  So the taxi trip in the morning from Mochit usually is pretty reliable and predictable for that.

 

On the way back after having finished my business, I usually catch the 166 bus right from the door and then take it to Victory Monument. Time isn't so important on the return trip. Yesterday, waited about a half hour for the 166 outside the Govt. Complex doors, and it never came during that time. So finally gave up and ended up taking a taxi for the return trip. Had the wife with me, and she was feeling like wanting AC on the way home.

 

[rak sa_ngop]

Coming from Silom road I like to catch the 504 (yellow ac) bus that runs on past Don Mueang airport to Rangsit. Get off at Laksi (IT Square) and walk about 40 mins to get to Immigration. The bus runs about every 30 mins but sometimes have to wait up to an hour.

 

Nice day out for me if I leave about 6.30 am and the traffic is moving freely.

 

Coming back I catch the (free) red 166 bus from outside Immigration. No need for ac on this bus as it travels at 100 km/hour along the elevated expressway.

[tgeezer]

Thanks for the reassurance that nothing much has changed. I went early last year and joined the queue with the consequence that I got a single digit queue number which didn't give me enough time to get my bank letter.
I have a new passport and visa this year so have three months to choose a day to extend. For those new 'retirees' who are planning to take winter breaks, in my experience of extending from Jeang Watana, the extension starts from initial entry so you could find your summer break curtailed by the necessity of getting back to renew earlier than you had planned if you don't allow for this.


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[Dan5]

So what did you give them for proof of income?

[RBOP]

Wow! That's amazing speed. When I did mine last January took me all day for the Extension and had to go back later for the re-entry.

[4evermaat]

was there any extra funds needed for such fast service?  Or only 1900 baht?

[Monkeyrobot]

I was there in July and they where very friendly and fast service.

[ChouDoufu]

i've got first ever extension coming up in a couple weeks

and was wondering if there are any requirements to show

proof of address.  from the above i'd guess not, but want

to be sure.

 

if asked,  have copy of GF's lease, copy of her ID card

signed, a letter from her stating i live with her, recent

monthly rental bill (her name of course), and bank

statement in my name sent to the address.

 

 

[tropo]

"--passport with at least one year remaining validity"

 

Why is this a requirement? I always thought that if your passport doesn't have a year remaining, they will extend you to the last day of validity, however long that is.

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

7 hours ago, Dan5 said:

So what did you give them for proof of income?

If you're asking me, it was just the standard Consulate Income affidavit, in my case from the U.S. Consulate.

 

In my years here, all dealing with Chaengwattana, I've never been asked for anything else or anything more re income documentation.  But I always come prepared with supporting docs, just in case.

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

6 hours ago, RBOP said:

Wow! That's amazing speed. When I did mine last January took me all day for the Extension and had to go back later for the re-entry.

I always make a point of avoiding visits to CW on Mondays and Fridays, as those seem to be busier days with longer queues and waits.

 

If possible, certainly avoid weeks when there are any government holidays that shorten the number of working days. And arrive at 8:30 am opening time or earlier so you're not too far down in the queue.

 

Also, of course, having all your documents and photocopies and such prepared in advance, and not being found missing anything, helps speed along the process.

 

 

 

[Kim1950]

Has anyone been declined a Retirement Extension, even though, they have met all the requirements? The approval is still based on the discretion of the immigration officer. I wonder, if there is a unofficial policy to decline people who appear unhealthy, too old, or might have mental health problems.

 

Trying to remediate an issue with Social Security or Medicare could take you a day in a queue only to be told you need some other information or wait to hear from us. Thai Immigration seems to do a better job.

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 hour ago, ChouDoufu said:

i've got first ever extension coming up in a couple weeks

and was wondering if there are any requirements to show

proof of address.  from the above i'd guess not, but want

to be sure.

 

if asked,  have copy of GF's lease, copy of her ID card

signed, a letter from her stating i live with her, recent

monthly rental bill (her name of course), and bank

statement in my name sent to the address.

 

I'm assuming you mean you'll be going to CW in BKK.

 

All I can say is, they've never asked me for any of that for the year after year new retirement extensions I've been doing there, and I've lived at the same address for all the years I've stayed in Thailand.

 

I honestly can't remember so many years back for my FIRST ever retirement extension at CW (which actually was Suan Plu at that time) as to whether they wanted any particular proof of address.  I think at one point long ago they asked for a copy of a map to my home. I can't recall them ever asking me for anything more on that point.

 

But, as mentioned above, I always bring a folder of backup materials just in case that includes a copy of my apartment lease, a Thai utility bill with my name on it, and copies of my rent receipts. Never had to use them as best as I can recall. But having them and not needing them sure beats getting sent home and having to make a PITA second trip out to CW just because some officer wanted something I didn't have.

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

4 minutes ago, Kim1950 said:

Has anyone been declined a Retirement Extension, even though, they have met all the requirements? The approval is still based on the discretion of the immigration officer. I wonder, if there is a unofficial policy to decline people who appear unhealthy, too old, or might have mental health problems.

 

Trying to remediate an issue with Social Security or Medicare could take you a day in a queue only to be told you need some other information or wait to hear from us. Thai Immigration seems to do a better job.

 

 

I can't speak to the mental health problems issue .  But as for the unhealthy or too old issues, during my trip this week and on previous ones as well out to CW, I've often seen expats in wheelchairs showing up to do their extensions. And I don't think they're getting turned away.

 

So as long as you meet the well-documented requirements, and aren't doing anything blatantly offensive with the Immigration staff, I'm assuming the person would be approved.

 

Probably as much as or more than any other Immigration Office in Thailand, my experience has been the staff at Chaengwattana pretty much follow the well-established Immigration policies and rules, and they rarely seem to start going off the reservation on their own.

 

[tgeezer]

"--passport with at least one year remaining validity"
 
Why is this a requirement? I always thought that if your passport doesn't have a year remaining, they will extend you to the last day of validity, however long that is.
 
 

That is what happened to me, one year would have taken me to Oct. but extended only to passport expiry in Sept.


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[TallGuyJohninBKK]

3 minutes ago, tgeezer said:

That is what happened to me, one year would have taken me to Oct. but extended only to passport expiry in Sept.
 

 

Perhaps I should have added -- assuming the applicant actually wants the maximum 1 year extension of stay that they're entitled to.

 

[amvet]

25 minutes ago, Kim1950 said:

Has anyone been declined a Retirement Extension, even though, they have met all the requirements? The approval is still based on the discretion of the immigration officer. I wonder, if there is a unofficial policy to decline people who appear unhealthy, too old, or might have mental health problems.

 

Trying to remediate an issue with Social Security or Medicare could take you a day in a queue only to be told you need some other information or wait to hear from us. Thai Immigration seems to do a better job.

The opposite is true as they are trying to build up a reputation as an senior medical hub for 10 year health and retirement visas.  The only thing the immigration doesn't like is people without money.  Don't worry about the mental health issues it's assumed all Farang are crazy. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

30 minutes ago, amvet said:

The opposite is true as they are trying to build up a reputation as an senior medical hub for 10 year health and retirement visas.  The only thing the immigration doesn't like is people without money.  Don't worry about the mental health issues it's assumed all Farang are crazy. 

 

I'm glad the health issue bubbled up in the discussion here, because, this year, I noticed an interesting language change on the TM7 form for retirement extensions -- a noteworthy change from the language in 2016 and prior years, as follows:

 

2017 form:

 

2016 form:

 

From what I've been able to gather, Immigration Offices in Thailand can be very uneven in terms of what they require of applicants with substantial medical/mobility issues. Some, based on poster accounts, will waive in-person appearances by applicants with certification by a doctor. But other offices, posters here have reported, demand that applicants show up in person almost regardless of how serious their medical/mobility problem may be.

 

If the language change on the TM7 form is intentional and reflects some kind of attempted policy on Immigration's part, hopefully it will reflect more considerate treatment of those with medical/mobility issues.

 

[OJAS]

25 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

I'm glad the health issue bubbled up in the discussion here, because, this year, I noticed an interesting language change on the TM7 form for retirement extensions -- a noteworthy change from the language in 2016 and prior years, as follows:

 

2017 form:

 

2016 form:

 

From what I've been able to gather, Immigration Offices in Thailand can be very uneven in terms of what they require of applicants with substantial medical/mobility issues. Some, based on poster accounts, will waive in-person appearances by applicants with certification by a doctor. But other offices, posters here have reported, demand that applicants show up in person almost regardless of how serious their medical/mobility problem may be.

 

If the language change on the TM7 form is intentional and reflects some kind of attempted policy on Immigration's part, hopefully it will reflect more considerate treatment of those with medical/mobility issues.

 

I had noticed that change as well. In addition, there is no longer any reference to the 1,900 THB fee in the new version: might this be indicative of an increase in the offing (perhaps not surprisingly since the fee has always been 1,900 THB ever since I started applying for annual retirement extensions 6 years ago), I wonder?

[tropo]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Perhaps I should have added -- assuming the applicant actually wants the maximum 1 year extension of stay that they're entitled to.

 

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Sure, but I'd probably lose a few months over getting a new passport a year early. In my case, my wife and I have to get new passports and juggle the expiry dates, so it's a big consideration and has to be timed perfectly.

[chubby]

I have a friend who gets there at 0730 to be in the front of that big curling cue, I suppose it depends on which  Booth you need to go to, as to whether that is necessary say for a re-entry permit.

 

Last few times, I didn't have a printer, and arrived without my TM form filled out,  of course that negated arriving early,  as there is then a fight for pens, and those stupid glue jars to paste your passport photo, THEN, the  line to get a cue number for your booth,  has to accept your papers as ready to go, of course, I then shuffle along to the  copier folks downstairs, and back  and wonder how much further back in the cue I will be.   I guess if your forms are all glued and ready, being in front when the doors open  might help  whichever   Booth  one is to frequent.

 

How would Mo Chit  as a taxi take off point  compare to  Phahon Yohtin  MRT?

[Grumpy Duck]

Why does everyone rely on different forms of public transportation? I simply ride my motorbike quick & easy. 

[tropo]

3 hours ago, Grumpy Duck said:

Why does everyone rely on different forms of public transportation? I simply ride my motorbike quick & easy. 

Everyone has their own reasons, but there's no doubt that motorcycle riding is more dangerous and that would influence many to choose public transport (other than motorbike taxis) instead.

 

For myself, I choose danger and "quick & easy".

[4evermaat]

Why does everyone rely on different forms of public transportation? I simply ride my motorbike quick & easy. 

 

 

 

Not everyone lives in the immediate area.

 

At least you guys dont pay extra for faster service. Same-day processing for 1900 baht is still good.

 

[BobTH]

On 8/31/2017 at 10:03 PM, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

I'm glad the health issue bubbled up in the discussion here, because, this year, I noticed an interesting language change on the TM7 form for retirement extensions -- a noteworthy change from the language in 2016 and prior years, as follows:

 

2017 form:

 

2016 form:

 

From what I've been able to gather, Immigration Offices in Thailand can be very uneven in terms of what they require of applicants with substantial medical/mobility issues. Some, based on poster accounts, will waive in-person appearances by applicants with certification by a doctor. But other offices, posters here have reported, demand that applicants show up in person almost regardless of how serious their medical/mobility problem may be.

 

If the language change on the TM7 form is intentional and reflects some kind of attempted policy on Immigration's part, hopefully it will reflect more considerate treatment of those with medical/mobility issues.

 

 

I guess I am missing something in your statement that the wording has changed from 2016 to 2017.  When I open the Word Document on the Immigration Division One forms page I open now what you are referring to as the 2016 form. I was not able to open the PDF file, maybe that is the one that has changed the wording.