U.S. bombers, fighters, stage show of force off North Korean coast

[nobodysfriend]

7 hours ago, MalandLee said:

There are many “opinions” on what is required to stop this insanity.

May be one option is the " big War " , the survivors , ( if there are any ) , will know better than ...?

Edited September 24, 2017 by nobodysfriend

[mikecha]

 No winners here if there is a nuke war  

 

North Korea is full of minerals and valuable coal stone and what ever els it has   

who takes over the Russians   next door  the Americans  10000 km away  

 

it will be a sad day when north/south Korea are just parking lots  cos if it starts then thats it ,who els gets hit well thats the war machine maybe a stray bomb hits Vietnam laos or Thailand what will these goverments do?

look at this Trump and start another slagging match  again  and he threaten them also total total distruction 

 

Kim  is of 3 rd generation  Trump is a baught in money president   to total different things  kim will go on till he dies Trump will after 3 years just go back to his money imperium  and like the rest of american presidents wait till the next president slags him off because they think he did it all wrong  like now Obama care the iran treaty the wall of mexico if anybody is a nutter its him

 

lets hope that both parties just cool down 

 

but i think Trump must do the first step because he just keep s adding wood to the fire   sending a bomber force along the border line of North Korea doesnt help 

 

Who knows maybe a pilot will make an error and enter North Korea air space and be shot down  who is right and wrong then .

 

in General America lost the Vietnam war  pulled out of Afganastan  doesnt like the Iran treaty papers   what another President made to calm things down and he wants to change this also proviking iran to start its nuke program again 

 

   Sticks its hands in every thing but expects many to pay because they are so called America First what a load of crap.  wonder what he will dream up next /

 

how many children will die in NK  and how much suffering will there be now that there is no fuel no income cos china has to bend its knees because also thretened with loss of trade to America .

 

even if Kim backs down it will take years of bla bla talk to even get help going again then there wil be another usa president with different thinking and it all starts over again .

The money machine like poisen

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[sweatalot]

44 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said:

May be one option is the " big War " , the survivors , ( if there are any ) , will know better than ...?

The threat with a "big war" is a lie. The only threat is coming from kimmie. If they let him get hands on enough usable nukes it is possible he will explode H bombs and nuke countries that he doesn't like. Clear to extrapolate from his behavior. He cannot be trusted

 

That might lead to a "big war" more likely than  if the US  will extinguish him.

It is neither China's nor Russia' interest to start a war with the US. They might be angry and might even go back to cold war for some time  but they would act responsibly by not using nukes as they did by now.

There will be no big war.

 

The countries that have nukes stopped using and "testing" them long ago. After Hiroshima and Nagasaki they know what that means. A world with nukes in their hands might not be safe - but much safer than a world with nukes in the hands of a guy who did not bother to kill his family with anti air guns, poison or by a pack of hungry dogs - and many other people in different ways.

A man who does not care to let his own people starve and keep them in fear to lead a good life himself.

 

If he was your neighbor and had a gun - would you feel safe?

 

 

Edited September 24, 2017 by sweatalot

[BuaBS]

5 hours ago, mikecha said:

Who knows maybe a pilot will make an error and enter North Korea air space and be shot down  who is right and wrong then .

Or just baiting Kim to get another "Gulf of Tonkin" incident. The false flag Trump needs to attack , just like with Vietnam.

[khunken]

2 minutes ago, BuaBS said:

Or just baiting Kim to get another "Gulf of Tonkin" incident. The false flag Trump needs to attack , just like with Vietnam.

Exactly.

 

The US is not satisfied with almost destroying NK once - in the 50s - but is itching to use its overpowering arsenal of 'defense' weapons at any excuse, to do it again.

 

As far more sensible Russia, China, the UN SG and even Nancy Pelosi have said - diplomacy is the way to defuse this crisis, not by attempting to browbeat China but by offering to curtail the war games with SK near the border in exchange for NK to stop firing missiles over Japan.

 

[IAMHERE]

3 hours ago, nasanews said:

Americans are good at bombing anything, but they never won a war.

I just watched a Ted TAlk on youtube; malcolm gladwell norden bombsight. I am not so sure USA bombing is all that good, not the results anyway. They better get Kim with the first bomb or he'll be in China or Russia within hours and never be got.

[craigt3365]

42 minutes ago, BuaBS said:

Or just baiting Kim to get another "Gulf of Tonkin" incident. The false flag Trump needs to attack , just like with Vietnam.

It's not up to Trump.  Lots of others have to agree.  Like South Korea, Japan, etc. And nothing like Vietnam.

 

28 minutes ago, khunken said:

Exactly.

 

The US is not satisfied with almost destroying NK once - in the 50s - but is itching to use its overpowering arsenal of 'defense' weapons at any excuse, to do it again.

 

As far more sensible Russia, China, the UN SG and even Nancy Pelosi have said - diplomacy is the way to defuse this crisis, not by attempting to browbeat China but by offering to curtail the war games with SK near the border in exchange for NK to stop firing missiles over Japan.

 

The US is not satisfied with almost destroying NK once?  Horrible post.  The US would have been very happy not to have been in that war.  Place the blame properly.  Started by NK, forces provided by a variety of nations.  Yours included.  Don't disgrace those who died in that horrible war.

[BangkokNicky]

[khunken]

1 minute ago, craigt3365 said:

It's not up to Trump.  Lots of others have to agree.  Like South Korea, Japan, etc. And nothing like Vietnam.

 

The US is not satisfied with almost destroying NK once?  Horrible post.  The US would have been very happy not to have been in that war.  Place the blame properly.  Started by NK, forces provided by a variety of nations.  Yours included.  Don't disgrace those who died in that horrible war.

Just like Vietnam later, the US & (yes) its blind allies dropped thousands of tonnes of bombs, killed around 2m & used both napalm & chemical weapons in a war that it had no business to get into. Yes it was horrible and no propaganda about what Kim is supposed to have done internally  in any way mitigates it.

You are disgracing all those killed then, especially the N Koreans, by your anti-NK propaganda & no, my country wasn't involved - it's not an invader.

[MalandLee]

1 hour ago, sweatalot said:

The threat with a "big war" is a lie. The only threat is coming from kimmie. If they let him get hands on enough usable nukes it is possible he will explode H bombs and nuke countries that he doesn't like. Clear to extrapolate from his behavior. He cannot be trusted

 

That might lead to a "big war" more likely than  if the US  will extinguish him.

It is neither China's nor Russia' interest to start a war with the US. They might be angry and might even go back to cold war for some time  but they would act responsibly by not using nukes as they did by now.

There will be no big war.

 

The countries that have nukes stopped using and "testing" them long ago. After Hiroshima and Nagasaki they know what that means. A world with nukes in their hands might not be safe - but much safer than a world with nukes in the hands of a guy who did not bother to kill his family with anti air guns, poison or by a pack of hungry dogs - and many other people in different ways.

A man who does not care to let his own people starve and keep them in fear to lead a good life himself.

 

If he was your neighbor and had a gun - would you feel safe?

 

 

I have to agree with this post...

 

I would be VERY happy to present a young man who finished his apprenticeship as a "master butcher" a set of knives. I would be horrified is those same knives, fell into the hand of a deranged individual.

 

IMO, it is a rather weak argument to say "let him have his nukes" - The consequences for our planet ARE significant. The tectonic plates are being "adjusted" for no good reason - it is NOT a justification to say "well they did it in the past" - referring to past nuclear testing  - it is plain silly of our world NOT to learn from past mistakes.

 

[craigt3365]

5 minutes ago, khunken said:

Just like Vietnam later, the US & (yes) its blind allies dropped thousands of tonnes of bombs, killed around 2m & used both napalm & chemical weapons in a war that it had no business to get into. Yes it was horrible and no propaganda about what Kim is supposed to have done internally  in any way mitigates it.

You are disgracing all those killed then, especially the N Koreans, by your anti-NK propaganda & no, my country wasn't involved - it's not an invader.

So it's the same as the Vietnam war, but only the latter part. Not the first part right? Because you'd have to point your anger towards another country.  LOL

[khunken]

3 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

So it's the same as the Vietnam war, but only the latter part. Not the first part right? Because you'd have to point your anger towards another country.  LOL

Actually just disagreeing with your propaganda - LOL

[midas]

5 hours ago, craigt3365 said:

Kim is not sane.  No sane person would murder their relative with an anti-aircraft gun for falling asleep in a meeting.  Impossible.  Even psychiatrists agree with this.

 

No leader of the Western world seeks to retain their power in the same way Kim does.  Brutalize their people, commit a variety of illegal acts, threaten their neighbors, and kill their relatives.  None.  Zero.

 

Of course he doesn't want to lose power.  He's living the good life while his people suffer.  Amazing you support that.

 

Pentagon propaganda machine.  Stop, please.

on the other we ignore all that when it suits the West

 

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By definition, a dictator is an evil person. That’s why the international community treats them as pariahs: the atrocities committed by people like Kim Jong-Un deserve no place in a modern progressive world. But just occasionally a bloodthirsty psychopath comes along who our leaders not only turn a blind eye to, but actually offer financial or military support. Here are 10 cases of infamous tyrants where international hypocrisy ruled the day.

 

 

 

10 Brutal Dictators We Secretly Supported

 

http://listverse.com/2013/10/03/10-brutal-dictators-we-secretly-supported/

Edited September 24, 2017 by midas

[connda]

I'm sure that will deescalate the tensions.

 

[craigt3365]

1 hour ago, khunken said:

Actually just disagreeing with your propaganda - LOL

Please point out the propaganda.

[craigt3365]

1 hour ago, midas said:

on the other we ignore all that when it suits the West

 

10 Brutal Dictators We Secretly Supported

 

http://listverse.com/2013/10/03/10-brutal-dictators-we-secretly-supported/

I've never ignored atrocities. Sadly, we live in an imperfect world. How about we focus on NK?

[midas]

7 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

I've never ignored atrocities. Sadly, we live in an imperfect world. How about we focus on NK?

 

You are the one in your previous post who tried to portray Kim as being the only person who tried to retain power using brutality?

 

" No leader of the Western world seeks to retain their power in the same way Kim does."

Edited September 24, 2017 by midas

[khunken]

32 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

Please point out the propaganda.

"But NK has been doing this for decades. Time to stop the insanity."

First they haven't been doing what they are doing now for decades & second it's the US (been threatening &  invading smaller countries) for decades.

 

"Kim is not sane.  No sane person would murder their relative with an anti-aircraft gun for falling asleep in a meeting.  Impossible.  Even psychiatrists agree with this."

Pure propaganda as already shown by Naam.

 

[Dumbastheycome]

13 hours ago, FreddieRoyle said:

It's like trying to put out a raging fire by chucking a bucket of oil on it. I would have favored some Bio weapon to be used on the NK elites headquarters, something very contagious and deadly(no not liberalism!), the US must have heaps of options for such a device and its stealthy deployment.

Reckless provocation pure  and  simple.

But  your  preference  is  the  deployment  of  illegal  weapons over  and   above   nuclear?

That  would  defeat  the  objective  in  a  base way !

[craigt3365]

9 hours ago, khunken said:

"But NK has been doing this for decades. Time to stop the insanity."

First they haven't been doing what they are doing now for decades & second it's the US (been threatening &  invading smaller countries) for decades.

 

"Kim is not sane.  No sane person would murder their relative with an anti-aircraft gun for falling asleep in a meeting.  Impossible.  Even psychiatrists agree with this."

Pure propaganda as already shown by Naam.

 

Haven't been doing what for decades?  Ignoring UN resolutions?  Yes they have.  Threatening the US?  Research the last time they threatened nuclear war.  It was several years ago.  Here's the first UN resolution on nuclear non proliferation.  Notice the date?  1993.  That's decades ago.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_825

 

Here's when negotiations started.  1985.  That's decades ago.  Not propaganda.

 

https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/dprkchron

 

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1985

December 12, 1985: North Korea accedes to the nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty (NPT) but does not complete a safeguards agreement with the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA). Under Article III of the NPT, North Korea has 18 months to conclude such an arrangement. In coming years, North Korea links adherence to this provision of the treaty to the withdrawal of U.S. nuclear weapons from South Korea.

 

 

Here's the threats they've made over the years.  These threats didn't just start this year.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/08/17/north-korea-has-threatened-a-u-s-attack-for-years-why-arent-you-scared/?utm_term=.0163d0cc30ce

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These threats pale in comparison to some of the threats Pyongyang has made against South Korea. Just this week, the North threatened the South with "indiscriminate" military strikes unless the joint military exercises were called off. Pyongyang has repeatedly warned that it could turn Seoul into a "sea of fire" — a threat that prompted panic buying in South Korea in 1994 when first used.

 

Worth a read also:

http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/03/21/a-running-list-of-north-koreas-near-daily-threats-updated/

 

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A running list of North Korea’s near-daily threats (updated)

 

So you are saying a sane person executes 70 of his own advisors after taking power and he's sane?  Surely you jest.  Hardly propaganda.  Naam must not have researched this very well. 

 

Here's how many border incidents there have been with NK.  Please read this.  It's really incredible.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_border_incidents_involving_North_Korea

 

Amazing some here support these guys.

 

 

[inThailand]

Trump inherited this mess from leaders from the USA and from the world, who failed to stop NK. And even now only Trump is making a stand and these others do nothing but criticise. Those allies who don't join the cause should be left to defend themselves. NK will then have many easier targets then the US.

[stevenl]

17 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

Haven't been doing what for decades?  Ignoring UN resolutions?  Yes they have.  Threatening the US?  Research the last time they threatened nuclear war.  It was several years ago.  Here's the first UN resolution on nuclear non proliferation.  Notice the date?  1993.  That's decades ago.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_825

 

Here's when negotiations started.  1985.  That's decades ago.  Not propaganda.

 

https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/dprkchron

 

 

Here's the threats they've made over the years.  These threats didn't just start this year.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/08/17/north-korea-has-threatened-a-u-s-attack-for-years-why-arent-you-scared/?utm_term=.0163d0cc30ce

 

Worth a read also:

http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/03/21/a-running-list-of-north-koreas-near-daily-threats-updated/

 

 

So you are saying a sane person executes 70 of his own advisors after taking power and he's sane?  Surely you jest.  Hardly propaganda.  Naam must not have researched this very well. 

 

Here's how many border incidents there have been with NK.  Please read this.  It's really incredible.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_border_incidents_involving_North_Korea

 

Amazing some here support these guys.

 

 

And this after accusing others of spreading propaganda.

[craigt3365]

3 minutes ago, inThailand said:

Trump inherited this mess from leaders from the USA and from the world, who failed to stop NK. And even now only Trump is making a stand and these others do nothing but criticise. Those allies who don't join the cause should be left to defend themselves. NK will then have many easier targets then the US.

The entire UN Security Council voted for several rounds of resolutions.  Some 40 other heads of state have expressed their support.  It's only the pundits here on our forum that do nothing but criticize. LOL.

 

Sadly, Trump's actions are beyond bizarre.  He's got no credibility and is only making things worse.  Trump's style is chaos.  Sadly.

[craigt3365]

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

And this after accusing others of spreading propaganda.

Please point out the propaganda.  The last member couldn't.

[stevenl]

6 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

Please point out the propaganda.  The last member couldn't.

Your last line for starters, where you claim people here are supporting Kim.

[craigt3365]

3 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Your last line for starters, where you claim people here are supporting Kim.

Some 100% are.  Having a North Korean flag for an avatar would be a sign of support, right?  Especially if no post is ever critical of them, but 100% in support.

[inThailand]

Yes more sanctions. As history has proven and as all agree NK will not stop their nuclear program, so best to deal with them now vs when they have more capabilities. DT's redaric is to provoke them now so retaliation is justified. 

[Naam]

Just now, inThailand said:

Yes more sanctions. As history has proven and as all agree NK will not stop their nuclear program, so best to deal with them now vs when they have more capabilities. DT's redaric is to provoke them now so retaliation is justified. 

please learned Sir,

tell us how to deal with "them" and explain what actions of North Korea justify retaliation.

[craigt3365]

1 minute ago, Naam said:

please learned Sir,

tell us how to deal with "them" and explain what actions of North Korea justify retaliation.

Sanctions are one thing, military actions are a completely different level.  The ramifications are too dire to even consider.  And Kim knows that.

 

A nuclear NK would be easier to handle if we could be assured they won't sell the technology to other states.  Sadly, that's not the case.

[Naam]

Just now, craigt3365 said:

Sanctions are one thing, military actions are a completely different level.  The ramifications are too dire to even consider.  And Kim knows that.

 

A nuclear NK would be easier to handle if we could be assured they won't sell the technology to other states.  Sadly, that's not the case.

agree with both points. unfortunately sanctions do not harm those in power but the already suffering population. and if anybody is naïve enough to believe sanctions might cause the population to overthrow a regime with an extremely powerful military then he/she has my sympathy and is entitled for the certificate "possesses a lot of no idea..."

 

sanctions could also be dangerous because they might pressure North Korea to sell nuclear technology. there's cash galore available from interested parties.