Could you be more specific Donz, 2010? Which month?

just after his ego explosion around Tel Aviv...the collateral damage might wipe out vast areas of the Middle East, but the Mangoes on the East side of your house should be free from any ego radiation.....

Well, hate to dissapoint you boys, but even Hamas is now declaring there will remain a state of Israel!

Reuters Shills for Hamas (Again)

Al-Reuters, shilling for Hamas again: Hamas leader Meshaal acknowledges Israel exists.

"It’s to laugh. Meshaal says, “sure, there’s an entity called Israel, that we want to destroy,” and Reuters trumpets it like a breakthrough.

Like they say in Chinese: "Rots a Ruck"!

Israel will not exist by 2010 i reckon

Well, Donz has spoken, so it must be true!

Israel will not exist by 2010 i reckon

Well, Donz has spoken, so it must be true!

1942, George Orwell wrote, in Partisan Review, this of Great Britain's pacifists which applies across the board:

"Pacifism is objectively pro-Fascist. This is elementary common sense. If you hamper the war effort of one side you automatically help out that of the other. Nor is there any real way of remaining outside such a war as the present one. In practice, `he that is not with me is against me."... "Since pacifists have more freedom of action in countries where traces of democracy survive, pacifism can act more effectively against democracy than for it. Objectively, the pacifist is pro-Nazi." '

Israel(s) might do such a thing - low yield tactical nuke? Already hated in Arab land - not like it would make them any more hated than they already are.

Yes, but it would make them less tolerated by non-Arabs and less supported (by cash) by former friends.

So they would set themselves up to be too weak to withstand the retaliation.

Two wrongs never make one right.

I guess there is no prolem with defending ones self, but holding a whole nation under a form of apartheid, well that takes some defending.

Are we talking about Israel ..... or ....

Korea, Japan, Iran, Syria, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Rwanda, Zimbabwe or any one of a number of other countries who for all intents and purposes practice apartheid and other forms of racism in one form or another.

Let's face it. Everyone is always very quick to pick on Israel because it's so easy and many people do it. Unfortunately they are just as quick to ignore everyone else, because it's so easy and many people do it.

As far as Israel goes, if it went away nothing would change. The Palestinians would just be picked on and abused by other confronting tribes and clans in neighboring countries.

If the Palestinians were smart, they would do a deal with Israel, and stick to it. Israel, the US and other civilized countries would respect it and the Palestinian people would be better off in the long run for it. But as yet their own internal factions will not allow them to compromise to this solution, less they risk getting whacked from internal dissidents. In short they are both the source and the solution of their own troubles.

1942, George Orwell wrote, in Partisan Review, this of Great Britain's pacifists which applies across the board:

"Pacifism is objectively pro-Fascist. Objectively, the pacifist is pro-Nazi." '

So if we don't agree with your Nazi viewpoint we are all Nazis, good bit of doublethink from the master himself (thats Orwell not you) Bush would love that, I wonder if he ever read Orwell? Or anything for that matter.

I guess there is no prolem with defending ones self, but holding a whole nation under a form of apartheid, well that takes some defending.

Are we talking about Israel ..... or ....

Korea, Japan, Iran, Syria, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Rwanda, Zimbabwe or any one of a number of other countries who for all intents and purposes practice apartheid and other forms of racism in one form or another.

Funny how you omitted Amerikkka there.. Why is that?

Let's face it. Everyone is always very quick to pick on Israel because it's so easy and many people do it. Unfortunately they are just as quick to ignore everyone else, because it's so easy and many people do it.

No they do it because whilst the Jews like to remind everyone how they were persecuted by the Nazis they are in fact one of the worst when it comes to crimes against humanity. Hypocrisy in it's worst form. Critisism against Israel and Jews even has it's own name, how arrogant is that?

In short they are both the source and the solution of their own troubles.

Man you really suck!

Good job I'm not a pacifist..

1942, George Orwell wrote, in Partisan Review, this of Great Britain's pacifists which applies across the board:

"Pacifism is objectively pro-Fascist. Objectively, the pacifist is pro-Nazi." '

So if we don't agree with your Nazi viewpoint we are all Nazis, good bit of doublethink from the master himself (thats Orwell not you) Bush would love that, I wonder if he ever read Orwell? Or anything for that matter.

I guess there is no prolem with defending ones self, but holding a whole nation under a form of apartheid, well that takes some defending.

Are we talking about Israel ..... or ....

Korea, Japan, Iran, Syria, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Rwanda, Zimbabwe or any one of a number of other countries who for all intents and purposes practice apartheid and other forms of racism in one form or another.

Funny how you omitted Amerikkka there.. Why is that?

Let's face it. Everyone is always very quick to pick on Israel because it's so easy and many people do it. Unfortunately they are just as quick to ignore everyone else, because it's so easy and many people do it.

No they do it because whilst the Jews like to remind everyone how they were persecuted by the Nazis they are in fact one of the worst when it comes to crimes against humanity. Hypocrisy in it's worst form. Critisism against Israel and Jews even has it's own name, how arrogant is that?

In short they are both the source and the solution of their own troubles.

Man you really suck!

Good job I'm not a pacifist..

You're further off the left side of the flat Earth than even B'fly of L'thai. I used to think that was not possible. Thanks loads for setting me straight.

You're further off the left side of the flat Earth than even B'fly of L'thai. I used to think that was not possible. Thanks loads for setting me straight.

Is this yours?

I guess there is no prolem with defending ones self, but holding a whole nation under a form of apartheid, well that takes some defending.

Are we talking about Israel ..... or ....

Korea, Japan, Iran, Syria, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Rwanda, Zimbabwe

I am not aware, bit I am willing to be proven wrong, that any one of these nations as a whole, have a policy that holds a whole and singular nation under such critical conditions, whilst being bank rolled by the biggest bully in the playground.

I also agree that they should come to an agreement, Genghis Khan always said never fight a battle you couldn't win, and the Palestinians can't win this one.

But that doesn't make the situation right, it just seems like double standards when it suits.

N.Korea and Iran can't have nukes, Iraq can't have weapons of Mass Destruction? but lets just supply the Israeli's with Nukes in the most volatile region of the world, thats sounds like a great idea.

Good Luck

Moss

Moss - actually Israel developed own bomb much to the dismay of the yanks. (never given it by the west) Bit of espionage if I recall.

I am not aware, bit I am willing to be proven wrong, that any one of these nations as a whole, have a policy that holds a whole and singular nation under such critical conditions, ........

I guess you don't get it. Apartheid and racist policies by a country, put a stranglehold on that nation itself and all of its people. That includes Israel.

............. whilst being bank rolled by the biggest bully in the playground.

Uh ..... the "biggest bully in the playground" has given the Palestinian people literally billions of dollars in assistance.

From http://www.usaid.gov/wbg/ :

"Since 1993, Palestinians have received more than $1.7 billion in U.S. economic assistance via USAID projects"

The problem is that due to extreme corruption and abuse, much of that assistance gets funnelled into the pockets of the corrupt leadership. Arafat might be taking a dirt nap but that doesn't erase the hundreds of millions of dollars that he stole from his own people to serve his personal greed.

Here's an oldie but a goodie:

http://www.boston.com/news/world/articles/...er_probe_finds/

"Palestinian cement sold to Israel for barrier, probe finds"

Moss - actually Israel developed own bomb much to the dismay of the yanks. (never given it by the west) Bit of espionage if I recall.

Brit, I am really not in the in the right frame of mind to argue, but I will accept you might be right.

But additionally, are you telling me there was no collaboration with the U.S or a turning of a blind eye, when Sheckel was turned magically into formula?

I have probably worded this wrong, as in other posts , but I have nothing against the Israeli's per se but it is the holding of a nation in shackles that I find abhorent.

Yes I know the different ideologies involved, the holding on to one's corner of land, no matter the cost.

I just sometimes wonder whether it is worth it.

Good Luck

Moss

I guess you don't get it.

I am afraid I do.

But I also guess you will let me answer tomorrow.

Good Luck

Moss

I doubt anyone has a problem with palestine existing, just most arab world wants israel not to exist. I can't see them ever being happy even if palestine gets everything they want and israel is still about.

Well it would be great if they could co-exist without one trying to destroy the other, but it's unfortunate that I think there has been too much bad blood between them over the years.

I'm sure the people want peace, who doesn't want to live without fear?, but fear is a form of control that works well for both sides and there's the rub, there's no motivation for the powers that be to settle their differences.

I'm sure the people want peace, who doesn't want to live without fear?, but fear is a form of control that works well for both sides and there's the rub, there's no motivation for the powers that be to settle their differences.

Man, you are either extremely confused or extremely full of <deleted> or perhaps both. In the other thread you stated that you are an anarchist. Last time I checked, anarchy is defined as:

http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dicti...y/entry/anarchy

1. Absence of any form of political authority.

2. Political disorder and confusion.

3. Absence of any cohesive principle, such as a common standard or purpose.

According to these definitions, you should be absolutely thrilled with what is going on in that area, and other screwed up areas of the world where lack of a stable political system causes citizens to suffer. Yet here you are talking about peace and living without fear.

Peace and anarchy. Oil and water. Apples and oranges. Get it??

In the other thread you stated that you are an anarchist. Last time I checked, anarchy is defined as:

http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dicti...y/entry/anarchy

1. Absence of any form of political authority.

2. Political disorder and confusion.

3. Absence of any cohesive principle, such as a common standard or purpose.

Maybe he's just an alchemist with bad typing skills.

It's ok I'm not confused there are many interpretations of Anarchy.

Because I don't believe in oppressive state control does not mean I believe in murder and mayhem.

Anarchism is probably the oldest of all ideologies, so yes it may be inconsistent with the modern world, but it means freedom of thought being able to look at things without predjudice, it's independence.

It is not Anarchy that is causing the chaos and confusion in this world, anarchy is not nessecarily disorder, the rebellion we see in places in like Iraq and Palestine are the product of political mis-management and greed.

If a country disagrees with U.S. policy it gets attacked, that's wrong, because I'm an Anarchist doesn't mean I don't understand the difference between right and wrong or feel that humanity doesn't have a value.

Why dont you read something different or try thinking for yourself for a change it will do you good.

Anyone can go and get a poor mans definition on the internet. quote 'last time I checked' Do you get all your knowledge from Yahoo?

Robski I think the word you're looking for is "Libertarian".

Robski I think the word you're looking for is "Libertarian".

Do you think so? It's hard to place anybody politically, even myself, unless your a fully paid up member.

I mean Liberalism has many concepts that I agree with, liberal thinking, personal freedom, but I can't buy into it fully, it's been hijacked, it's become an excuse for selfish excessive behavior.

Same with Democracy, great in principle, but bastardised and hollow.

Right wing, Left wing? It's all control, the crumbs that we fight over.

Libertarian? I really don't understand the concept well enough, I'll get back to you on that one.

Robski I think the word you're looking for is "Libertarian".

Do you think so? It's hard to place anybody politically, even myself, unless your a fully paid up member.

I mean Liberalism has many concepts that I agree with, liberal thinking, personal freedom, but I can't buy into it fully, it's been hijacked, it's become an excuse for selfish excessive behavior.

Same with Democracy, great in principle, but bastardised and hollow.

Right wing, Left wing? It's all control, the crumbs that we fight over.

Libertarian? I really don't understand the concept well enough, I'll get back to you on that one.

Libertarians' basic belief is that government is the cause of problems where modern liberals tend to favour much more government control in the way of social programs, etc.

I think if you study it you'll find libertarians closer to the right of the political spectrum as self sufficency is paramount in the libertarian ethos.

Robski I think the word you're looking for is "Libertarian".

And possibly the term 'confused'?

Meanwhile...

Robski I think the word you're looking for is "Libertarian".

And possibly the term 'confused'?

Meanwhile...

Well I suppose the thing with Boon Mee is he does buy into his belief 100% even if he is misguided.

Confused? well lets face it, if I was an expert on ideology, I'd hardly be here arguing gung ho politics with you and your buddy Spee would I?

BTW there's another one of you lot out there 'Khun?' do you know him? he's another crypto-facist like you two, maybe you can get him involved, he's on 600+ posts, man he is funny, stupid but funny. Go get some back up.

Bitchslap Culture

And yet, most of the West still don't get it

"...another outrage against democracy."

Moss - actually Israel developed own bomb much to the dismay of the yanks. (never given it by the west) Bit of espionage if I recall.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_we...ass_destruction

Even the Brits had a hand Brit

Good Luck

Moss

I guess you don't get it.

Are you suggesting that I do not get it, and yet come out with a response like this.

You reference my quote of the 'bully' and then go on about aid! Its nonsensical!

Have I mentioned lack of aid?

My reference to the bully, was aimed at U.S tacit support for unsupportable actions, that its non-condemnation of the said apartheid actions of the gov't, and you havn't related to the other countries that you stated and my response to your statement.

The only reason Israel decided to go into Gaza this last offensive, was because they were instructed to by the U.S, to teach Iran a lesson and bring them into line, by destroying the Hezbollah and Hamas militias.

But as Dr Frankenstein realized, once you create a monster it is difficult to control it, and once that monster had gone too far with condemnation ringing from every corner of the world, they refused to listen to big brother and continued until they got bogged down and decided to withdraw of their own account.

This statement is in no way to be taken as support for terrorist/freedom fighter ( dependent on who's writing the papers ) activities.

Good Luck

Moss