speedtripler Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Coconutman said: The new raptor ia supposed to be powered with the 2.2. seems a bit small but probably be a twin turbo hopefully they have some good diesel engines too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedtripler Posted January 7, 2018 Share Posted January 7, 2018 10 hours ago, wildewillie89 said: For roughly a million baht or just under, what pick up would people recommend. Safety being the most important factor as two little children will be passengers sometimes. Although resale is also important for many, not so much in this case, purely safety. 4wd wouldnt be used enough to pay the extra and if ever got stuck there are many tractors about. Primary use of car is everyday driving with a bit of dirt/farm road driving. Pick up needed mostly for cages to be put in for the dogs. SUV can come later if we decide to pump out any more kids. Looking at what's available it seems the 2.2 Ford, Mitsubishi and Mazda ranks highest re safety. Is the Triton a better option re capable servicing in Thailand? Is the issue with Ford Thailand lack of mechanical understanding by technicians or a parts thing or just blown out of proportion? Any opinions would be appreciated. this one is cool but its a bit mad looking : https://rod.kaidee.com/product-334435072 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildewillie89 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 7 hours ago, speedtripler said: this one is cool but its a bit mad looking : https://rod.kaidee.com/product-334435072 Haha not sure I want to stand out that much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedtripler Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 6 hours ago, wildewillie89 said: Haha not sure I want to stand out that much It is a bit loud ... This one is nice too https://rod.kaidee.com/product-334436853 I like pickups but honestly wouldn't really use the rear bed or off road capabilitys much... It's a coin toss between a nice 4x4 and a sedan.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildewillie89 Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 4 minutes ago, speedtripler said: It is a bit loud ... This one is nice too https://rod.kaidee.com/product-334436853 I like pickups but honestly wouldn't really use the rear bed or off road capabilitys much... It's a coin toss between a nice 4x4 and a sedan.... That one is a bit quieter. My concern in Thai is how the trucks have been previously driven. That is why I was thinking more new. Back home I would just buy used as they are much cheaper/easier to get inspected and usually driven relatively normally. 4x4 is something always in the back of my mind, I would love it, but then realism interrupts my thinking. Why not spend that money on the kids instead of using 4x4 once or twice a year lol. Growing up and watching the Top Gear special on the Hilux, I really wanted one. A few of the cousins have them and they just seemed small for me (especially on long trips), plus the two little ones obviously make me think safety more. I really do probably prefer sedans, but a pick up just seems a better option at the minute. The dogs are a part of the family as much as the kids and one is 50kg (still filling out), and the other is 42kg at only 7 months so no sedan can fit us all in. Also our farm down the road is your typical Thai dirt track full of holes, so the extra clearance would be appreciated. I think there is about 60k difference between the Ranger and Triton we looked at. May just come down to measuring the cars re car seats, seeing who can offer the better deal and finding out how good the Ford technicians are in our city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedtripler Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 11 minutes ago, wildewillie89 said: That one is a bit quieter. My concern in Thai is how the trucks have been previously driven. That is why I was thinking more new. Back home I would just buy used as they are much cheaper/easier to get inspected and usually driven relatively normally. 4x4 is something always in the back of my mind, I would love it, but then realism interrupts my thinking. Why not spend that money on the kids instead of using 4x4 once or twice a year lol. Growing up and watching the Top Gear special on the Hilux, I really wanted one. A few of the cousins have them and they just seemed small for me (especially on long trips), plus the two little ones obviously make me think safety more. I really do probably prefer sedans, but a pick up just seems a better option at the minute. The dogs are a part of the family as much as the kids and one is 50kg (still filling out), and the other is 42kg at only 7 months so no sedan can fit us all in. Also our farm down the road is your typical Thai dirt track full of holes, so the extra clearance would be appreciated. I think there is about 60k difference between the Ranger and Triton we looked at. May just come down to measuring the cars re car seats, seeing who can offer the better deal and finding out how good the Ford technicians are in our city. It sounds like you need a pickup more than me I don't live on a remote farm and mostly drive in and around bkk and only have wife and 1 kid For me the advantages would be I suppose our street floods when it rains so extra ground clearance is good Maybe extra road presence as well when people see something big coming they are less likely to do a uturn or pull out in front of it and make you slam on the brakes We buy a pile of groceries a couple of times a month but really that could fit in the trunk of a sedan easily enough, don't move furniture or other large stuff often enough to *need* the pickup lol The 3.2L pickup would cost about twice as much in diesel as a decent sedan like a BMW 320d etc but the initial outlay is more for the BMW so it works out not that much different over a couple of years I'm still scanning the classifieds but I primarily travel by bike when I can and I would still do that no matter what car I end up buying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rixalex Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 14 minutes ago, speedtripler said: Maybe extra road presence as well when people see something big coming they are less likely to do a uturn or pull out in front of it and make you slam on the brakes Unless you are driving a ten wheeler, makes no difference whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedtripler Posted January 8, 2018 Share Posted January 8, 2018 http://www.4x4community.co.za/forum/showthread.php/225966-Ford-Ranger-From-Hell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildewillie89 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, speedtripler said: http://www.4x4community.co.za/forum/showthread.php/225966-Ford-Ranger-From-Hell Interesting. Wonder if the newer 2.2 has similar complaints/resolved the complaints. Or if safer just to go with the Triton. The Ford owner's post was interesting. Many people complain, but when they actually have to name dealers and provide the evidence of the issues, suddenly all those complains disappear. The Mrs says that it is common on Thai forums for sales people from other makes to always jump online and trash talk. Edited January 9, 2018 by wildewillie89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildewillie89 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 From what I gather from the South African forum is that it was the early model Rangers that had all the issues and they have since been fixed and now the truck is doing well in sales. So I wonder if many members on this forum are living in the past, or if the solutions of the problems haven't been translated to the Thai market. Although Australia's Rangers are made in Thailand arent't they, so I would assume that isn't the case. Maybe it is the Thai Ford technicians who aren't up to scratch if the current concerns that are raised about Ford Thai are indeed true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedtripler Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 5 hours ago, wildewillie89 said: From what I gather from the South African forum is that it was the early model Rangers that had all the issues and they have since been fixed and now the truck is doing well in sales. So I wonder if many members on this forum are living in the past, or if the solutions of the problems haven't been translated to the Thai market. Although Australia's Rangers are made in Thailand arent't they, so I would assume that isn't the case. Maybe it is the Thai Ford technicians who aren't up to scratch if the current concerns that are raised about Ford Thai are indeed true. i dont know if i could handle those problems in thailand with the language barrier etc ive had bad experiences with kawasaki thaialnd before when my bike was rekt and needed to wait through months of excuses to get new parts (factory is in rayong to bkk so 2-3 months is outrageous unles theyre using 2nd hand parts from other crash repair bikes which ive heard they do ) I wouldnt like to go through that again for any amount of money,especially with ford lol they seem to have a reputation of not giving a fc.uk in thailand ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildewillie89 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 1 minute ago, speedtripler said: i dont know if i could handle those problems in thailand with the language barrier etc ive had bad experiences with kawasaki thaialnd before when my bike was rekt and needed to wait through months of excuses to get new parts (factory is in rayong to bkk so 2-3 months is outrageous unles theyre using 2nd hand parts from other crash repair bikes which ive heard they do ) I wouldnt like to go through that again for any amount of money,especially with ford lol they seem to have a reputation of not giving a fc.uk in thailand ....... That would have been a nightmare. I just leave those things to the Mrs, she is much more diplomatic than I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 On 1/9/2018 at 8:47 AM, wildewillie89 said: Interesting. Wonder if the newer 2.2 has similar complaints/resolved the complaints. Or if safer just to go with the Triton. The Ford owner's post was interesting. Many people complain, but when they actually have to name dealers and provide the evidence of the issues, suddenly all those complains disappear. The Mrs says that it is common on Thai forums for sales people from other makes to always jump online and trash talk. I would think the main reason it stops when 'naming and shaming' is required are the Thai defamation laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax2 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 (edited) 23 hours ago, wildewillie89 said: From what I gather from the South African forum is that it was the early model Rangers that had all the issues and they have since been fixed and now the truck is doing well in sales. So I wonder if many members on this forum are living in the past, or if the solutions of the problems haven't been translated to the Thai market. Although Australia's Rangers are made in Thailand arent't they, so I would assume that isn't the case. Maybe it is the Thai Ford technicians who aren't up to scratch if the current concerns that are raised about Ford Thai are indeed true. In Australia a Auto mechanic serves a 5 year apprenticeship which includes one day a fortnight at Technical school to keep them up with all the current new developments in the drive chains etc They have to pass exams every year and receive their diploma at the end of the 5 years I asked a ford workshop manager if the same applies here and was told no, all and only training is done in their workshop, Ford motor company are supposed to send engineers out to the workshops to keep them up to date but from my own personal experience they do not do this even after saying they would after many complaints about the quality of ford workshops service and their lack of knowledge of how to fix problems, its a problem with service created by the ford motor company in Thailand not the dealers in my personal experience Edited January 10, 2018 by madmax2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildewillie89 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 3 hours ago, madmax2 said: In Australia a Auto mechanic serves a 5 year apprenticeship which includes one day a fortnight at Technical school to keep them up with all the current new developments in the drive chains etc They have to pass exams every year and receive their diploma at the end of the 5 years I asked a ford workshop manager if the same applies here and was told no, all and only training is done in their workshop, Ford motor company are supposed to send engineers out to the workshops to keep them up to date but from my own personal experience they do not do this even after saying they would after many complaints about the quality of ford workshops service and their lack of knowledge of how to fix problems, its a problem with service created by the ford motor company in Thailand not the dealers in my personal experience In your opinion would the Mitsubishi Triton be the better option to go with then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedtripler Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 4 hours ago, madmax2 said: In Australia a Auto mechanic serves a 5 year apprenticeship which includes one day a fortnight at Technical school to keep them up with all the current new developments in the drive chains etc They have to pass exams every year and receive their diploma at the end of the 5 years I asked a ford workshop manager if the same applies here and was told no, all and only training is done in their workshop, Ford motor company are supposed to send engineers out to the workshops to keep them up to date but from my own personal experience they do not do this even after saying they would after many complaints about the quality of ford workshops service and their lack of knowledge of how to fix problems, its a problem with service created by the ford motor company in Thailand not the dealers in my personal experience Are you saying that Toyota actually do this or just that Ford don't do it? Most ranger owners who never had a problem are very happy with the vehicle... It's only when shit happens..... Ford gets the bad rep.... And apparently not just in Thailand, UK, South Africa and other countries seem eerily similar Hilux or bt50 double cab with a 3" lift and 20" wheels is cheaper than a ranger and it doesn't look too bad (but I have no idea what it costs to do this in Thailand yet) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildewillie89 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, speedtripler said: Are you saying that Toyota actually do this or just that Ford don't do it? Most ranger owners who never had a problem are very happy with the vehicle... It's only when shit happens..... Ford gets the bad rep.... And apparently not just in Thailand, UK, South Africa and other countries seem eerily similar Hilux or bt50 double cab with a 3" lift and 20" wheels is cheaper than a ranger and it doesn't look too bad (but I have no idea what it costs to do this in Thailand yet) The Mazda technicians get extra training than the Ford? I don't know a whole lot about cars, but aren't the engines similar with the Ford maybe having a little more spent on it (so in theory is a bit better). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildewillie89 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 I think the actual Ford product is probably the best overall, however, if the country doesn't have the workers to fix it if something happens then it is a little bit concerning. Do other companies have these issues also I wonder? Why is it only Ford that seems to cop it for this? Surely a big company like Ford couldn't be so out of touch not to train up their staff in 2018 (especially if these issues have been plaguing them for a while). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax2 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 1 hour ago, wildewillie89 said: In your opinion would the Mitsubishi Triton be the better option to go with then? Up to you, most modern vehicles are reliable, i do not like the look of the Triton personally but have not heard of any bad reports about it, do your homework and if happy with the results go for it The 2 american brands in Thailand are the ones i have read bad reports on, Ford and General Motors Chevrolet, their quality control and repair services are not anywhere as good as the Japanese brands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildewillie89 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 Just now, madmax2 said: Up to you, most modern vehicles are reliable, i do not like the look of the Triton personally but have not heard of any bad reports about it, do your homework and if happy with the results go for it The 2 american brands in Thailand are the ones i have read bad reports on, Ford and General Motors Chevrolet, their quality control and repair services are not anywhere as good as the Japanese brands I also cant stand the look of the Triton, but after the Ford, it is the safest option for the family. Will be more fuel efficient also, plus 60k cheaper. The Mazda seems to have a ridiculous reversing camera based on the reviews (not as clear as it is in the mirror rather than the centre screen). Isuzu and Toyota of course have the reliability reputation, it's just they score a couple points lower in safety (which could be the difference in a place like Thailand). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canthai55 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 1 hour ago, wildewillie89 said: Surely a big company like Ford couldn't be so out of touch not to train up their staff in 2018 (especially if these issues have been plaguing them for a while). Ford dealers are not owned by Ford. They have a license to sell the product line, and provide warranty service. Does Ford care that the problems are evident ? I am sure they do, but not having much - if any - say in how they are resolved. Ford Thailand has this responsibility ultimately. Their decisions are the ones the dealerships must follow. As for the parent company in USA, look at how they handled the DCT fiasco to see where their interests lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildewillie89 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 (edited) 24 minutes ago, canthai55 said: Ford dealers are not owned by Ford. They have a license to sell the product line, and provide warranty service. Does Ford care that the problems are evident ? I am sure they do, but not having much - if any - say in how they are resolved. Ford Thailand has this responsibility ultimately. Their decisions are the ones the dealerships must follow. As for the parent company in USA, look at how they handled the DCT fiasco to see where their interests lie. So would it be fair to say some Ford dealers are great as they have trained staff and the others are shockers? Or is it a Ford Thailand problem that revolves around every dealer? Edited January 10, 2018 by wildewillie89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAS21 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 (edited) Although we didn't buy our Fords form VP Chaengwattana ... I have to say that their Service Department have been quite good and I would recommend them. As an extra incentive to go there ... The Product Specialist is called Angelo and he speaks excellent English and is helpful. They actually phoned us up a couple of days ago to remind us to get the EV serviced before the end of Feb .... VP have another 'garage' in Bangkok ... the Product Specialist there is call Gann, again very helpful and excellent English. If anyone wants his contact details PM me. Edited January 10, 2018 by JAS21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farma Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 2 hours ago, wildewillie89 said: In your opinion would the Mitsubishi Triton be the better option to go with then? I've had a mix of work pick ups with the last couple being an Izuzu and a Toyota. Prior to that was a ford. All diesel and all made in Thailand. The Izuzu had problems with the centre dash unclipping all the time, then the aircon freezing up if used for too long. It finally died a couple of months ago with a gearbox problem. Others in the fleet suffered accessories electrical problems The Toyota Hilux I was given after that for the past few months has been my favorite out of all the pickups. Even with just under 200k kms it still drove and rode like new. A negative was bumpers starting to rust through the chrome. The past 1,200 kms I've been driving a brand new L200/Triton. I'm not happy with it at all. My major gripe is the amount of noise the engine makes. Its like driving a tractor. None of the other pickups were that loud even when old. Another annoyance is the height of the tailgate making it hard to judge distance when reversing. Apart from that the engine has plenty of power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canthai55 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 29 minutes ago, wildewillie89 said: So would it be fair to say some Ford dealers are great as they have trained staff and the others are shockers? Or is it a Ford Thailand problem that revolves around every dealer? Some dealers are sure to be better than others - like any business. Where the problem seems to lie is when major problems surface - the DCT trouble - and corporate take a stand. Then their subsidiaries all must follow the corporate line. Like GM with the ignition key issue - people died, the problem was known, but nothing was done until the numbers rose and class action lawsuits appeared. Until that time, the Legal department decided it was cheaper to pay a few claims than recall millions of vehicles. Corporate workings at their finest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax2 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 2 hours ago, wildewillie89 said: I also cant stand the look of the Triton, but after the Ford, it is the safest option for the family. Will be more fuel efficient also, plus 60k cheaper. The Mazda seems to have a ridiculous reversing camera based on the reviews (not as clear as it is in the mirror rather than the centre screen). Isuzu and Toyota of course have the reliability reputation, it's just they score a couple points lower in safety (which could be the difference in a place like Thailand). Its the drivers not the trucks that cause the safety problems in Thailand 40% of drivers do not even have a license, drive like you expect to meet a driver who should not be allowed to drive on the road and all the trucks are safe Anyway toyota was my choice and i am happy with it as i was with all the toyotas i have owned previously, only had it 8 months and have no intentions of changing it at present, if i do change vehicles it will not be into a brand new model, best to wait a couple of years so they can sort out the teething problems most new models have, That's the beauty about toyota, no radical updates and changes just continuous minor improvements and updates in each new model which keeps them reliable vehicles to own even when they bring out a new model Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildewillie89 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, madmax2 said: Its the drivers not the trucks that cause the safety problems in Thailand 40% of drivers do not even have a license, drive like you expect to meet a driver who should not be allowed to drive on the road and all the trucks are safe Anyway toyota was my choice and i am happy with it as i was with all the toyotas i have owned previously, only had it 8 months and have no intentions of changing it at present, if i do change vehicles it will not be into a brand new model, best to wait a couple of years so they can sort out the teething problems most new models have, That's the beauty about toyota, no radical updates and changes just continuous minor improvements and updates in each new model which keeps them reliable vehicles to own even when they bring out a new model If I was back home whether a truck scored 34 or 36 in crash tests wouldn't bother me all that much, but here the 7% or so increase I think it is an important factor. Having two little ones in the truck I obviously want the truck that performs closer to the top end of the list in crash tests when one of these 40% of people decides to hit us lol. I really like Toyota's, especially after the Top Gear special. I have driven a couple here and still liked the way they drove, just were a little small for my body shape. Surprisingly, I was more comfortable as a passenger in a low spec dual cab Triton for a 90 minute drive than the 10 minute drive down to HomePro in a Hilux. Those are the only reasons why I haven't given Toyota a closer thought. Edited January 10, 2018 by wildewillie89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildewillie89 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Farma said: I've had a mix of work pick ups with the last couple being an Izuzu and a Toyota. Prior to that was a ford. All diesel and all made in Thailand. The Izuzu had problems with the centre dash unclipping all the time, then the aircon freezing up if used for too long. It finally died a couple of months ago with a gearbox problem. Others in the fleet suffered accessories electrical problems The Toyota Hilux I was given after that for the past few months has been my favorite out of all the pickups. Even with just under 200k kms it still drove and rode like new. A negative was bumpers starting to rust through the chrome. The past 1,200 kms I've been driving a brand new L200/Triton. I'm not happy with it at all. My major gripe is the amount of noise the engine makes. Its like driving a tractor. None of the other pickups were that loud even when old. Another annoyance is the height of the tailgate making it hard to judge distance when reversing. Apart from that the engine has plenty of power. If engine noise is the only real concern then shouldn't be too much dramas. I was in a new one for a 90 minute drive and didn't even notice the engine with everyone talking. Reversing issue wasn't negated with the use of the camera? Edited January 10, 2018 by wildewillie89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farma Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 As mentioned they are work vehicles and most likely the same low spec as you drove for 90 minutes. Reversing camera wasn't included. When spending 4 or more hours in one each day little things become noticeable. The noise was one. Little niggles like the storage position for a water bottle interfering with window control on the Izuzu. Seat fabric wearing out on the ford and Izuzu but not on the toyota. Storage for small items lacking in the Mitsu etc. Each of the pickups have their flaws. Comfort and general all round ease of driving make Toyota a cut above the rest for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildewillie89 Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Farma said: As mentioned they are work vehicles and most likely the same low spec as you drove for 90 minutes. Reversing camera wasn't included. When spending 4 or more hours in one each day little things become noticeable. The noise was one. Little niggles like the storage position for a water bottle interfering with window control on the Izuzu. Seat fabric wearing out on the ford and Izuzu but not on the toyota. Storage for small items lacking in the Mitsu etc. Each of the pickups have their flaws. Comfort and general all round ease of driving make Toyota a cut above the rest for me. That's fair enough. Unless having to travel, it is just doing day to day driving and a bit of farm driving so wouldn't be in it enough for the little things to worry me too much. Main focus is purely safety and space, but I can fully understand why many like the Toyota. Unfortunately, just doesn't fit my body or safety standards. Maybe when I retire and have shrunk a bit haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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