2 in 1, lowering soil ph and micro dripline.

[Hutch68]

Hi anyone have any tips on lowering soil ph without using chemicals?

No 2, anyone know where to buy the micro dripline with built in emitters?

Tried global house for the dripline but no have!

Cheers.

 

 

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[IsaanAussie]

You need to add something acidic obviously. So what have you got? EM is applied at about pH3.8.

[djayz]

Re question no. 2: I vaguely remember seeing micro driplines at DuHome. They have a pretty good selection of various drip/watering systems. 

[FEBiochar]

Wood distillation is something you could try. Charcoal/biochar production via pyrolysis provides opportunities to extract wood vinegar. There are some v.simple systems with retort drums. Allowing the retort gas to cool before flaring will produce useful natural distillates that you can use in many ways... including soil pH adjustment. Plenty of video available online with some searching.

[Hutch68]

You need to add something acidic obviously. So what have you got? EM is applied at about pH3.8.

Thanks sounds good so just lower it using EM then keep a regular check and add more when needed?


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[Hutch68]

Re question no. 2: I vaguely remember seeing micro driplines at DuHome. They have a pretty good selection of various drip/watering systems. 

Thanks, never heard of DuHome but I'll take a look.
I'm sure someone once posted somewhere in Bangkok that you could order online but I can't find the thread.


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[Hutch68]

On the lowering ph I can find using vinegar, coffee grounds, pine needles and sand can help but can't find anything about em lowering soil ph. Will try the em first as I've always got plenty of that to use but adding a little vinegar to water every now and then seems an easy fix.
IsaanAussie have you used em to lower the ph in your soil?


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[rice555]

On 10/18/2017 at 7:08 PM, Hutch68 said:

Thanks, never heard of DuHome but I'll take a look.
I'm sure someone once posted somewhere in Bangkok that you could order online but I can't find the thread.


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Hello All, SuperProducts is the low cost of irrigation supplies and

Netafim is higher in price and for commercial farm/greenhouse, but

a better selection flow rates in the dripper's.

Both have stores in BKK or you can go through their O/L catalog and call

them to order. The usual deposit the $ in their Acct., @/fax a copy of

the deposit slip to them and they will EMS your order.

If you order from SP, have them send a copy of their catalog with the order,

it has more than the O/L cat.

Global House and DoHome sell SP, SP also is a partner with Netafim and

also sell's some of their products, but not the full range of their stuff.

DoHome is in Korat And has another store in Ubon with another name.

rice555

 

[farmerjo]

18 hours ago, Hutch68 said:

On the lowering ph I can find using vinegar, coffee grounds, pine needles and sand can help but can't find anything about em lowering soil ph. Will try the em first as I've always got plenty of that to use but adding a little vinegar to water every now and then seems an easy fix.
IsaanAussie have you used em to lower the ph in your soil?


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Can you describe what your trying to achieve,your very vague.

[Hutch68]

Can you describe what your trying to achieve,your very vague.

Just another experiment, I want to try lower some soil to between 4 and 5 ph.
Don't know what the soil is at the moment as I'm out of town and still waiting for my tester to come but when I start I want to get cracking as soon as so if anyone has any ideas I can start thinking about what I'm going to do.


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[Hutch68]

Pretty sure it will need lowering though for some things maybe not others so I'm thinking that starting off with the correct soil ph would be a good start. Never tested my soil before so something new to try.


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[Hutch68]

Also there's different soil types around our place so maybe looking around the place trying to find something suitable then just stick my rod in!


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[drtreelove]

On 10/19/2017 at 8:40 AM, farmerjo said:

Can you describe what your trying to achieve,your very vague.

Soil sulphur, to lower pH. Search "sulphur soil treatment".  

 

But Farmer Joe has a good question. Look at the larger picture, based on soil analysis, not just the pH alone, or acting to reduce it without managing soil fertility and the balance of minerals. 

 

 www.soilminerals.com

[drtreelove]

On 10/19/2017 at 7:41 AM, rice555 said:

Hello All, SuperProducts is the low cost of irrigation supplies and

Netafim is higher in price and for commercial farm/greenhouse, but

a better selection flow rates in the dripper's.

Both have stores in BKK or you can go through their O/L catalog and call

them to order. The usual deposit the $ in their Acct., @/fax a copy of

the deposit slip to them and they will EMS your order.

If you order from SP, have them send a copy of their catalog with the order,

it has more than the O/L cat.

Global House and DoHome sell SP, SP also is a partner with Netafim and

also sell's some of their products, but not the full range of their stuff.

DoHome is in Korat And has another store in Ubon with another name.

rice555

 

Rice, thanks for finally sharing that (re previous discussion) on sourcing Netafim, a superior smart-drip system . 

[Hutch68]

Yes thanks rice555 and drtreelove I will look at Netafim now. I've been using the SuperProducts but not for long and to be honest it's working very well for now but I would like the micro dripline.


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[kickstart]

On 20/10/2017 at 12:05 PM, Hutch68 said:

Just another experiment, I want to try lower some soil to between 4 and 5 ph.
Don't know what the soil is at the moment as I'm out of town and still waiting for my tester to come but when I start I want to get cracking as soon as so if anyone has any ideas I can start thinking about what I'm going to do.


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I was taught,admit a long time ago that the best , ph  for soil  was 6.5, a ph of bettween  4and 5  would be on the acid  side , unless ,the crop is  Rhododendron's  which like acid soil , most crops would not grow to they potential  I would say  appy  some lime to push the ph  up .?

As drtreelove said Thai soil also lack most minerals ,you might get the ph right, but the soil will  still lack minerals.

18 months ago Framerjo did a soil analysis , of his soil results are in TV's maize thread, the soil was short of almost everything,  also organic matter would be low ,a big problem with Thai soils .

First thing  would  be to  push the organic matter of the soil up , it would help the soil  ph , and minerals .

[IsaanAussie]

On 10/19/2017 at 8:11 AM, Hutch68 said:

On the lowering ph I can find using vinegar, coffee grounds, pine needles and sand can help but can't find anything about em lowering soil ph. Will try the em first as I've always got plenty of that to use but adding a little vinegar to water every now and then seems an easy fix.
IsaanAussie have you used em to lower the ph in your soil?


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EM alone to lower pH? No, don't see how that would provide a fix without having organic matter in the soil. It is one of many biological preparations and when activated has a pH about 3.8 but it has to have a food source or the microbes die. Composting with EM I have found produces a pH of close to 6.4. Adding enough OM to your "soil" will restore balance over time. Simply put, you have two choices, you build up a living soil which then feeds the plants or your feed nutrients to your crops as required and grow them in dirt or whatever. 

 

[rice555]

What size of an area are you planning to irrigate? Is it flat?

What plant(s), tree(s) or crop(s)?

Faucet or pump?

Go to U tube and look for what your trying to do. Most all of

the Co's. have How To Do for landscape, greenhouse and Ag.

Then look and see what you can get here in LOS and go from

there.

I've only done corn, beans, eggplant and squash with 16 mm

drip tape from a 1"(32mm) HDPE supply manifold from a 1"

pump. From the borehole through a filter to a 2000L tank. pumped

through a filter to the drippiness. Same when fritagion.

I did get all the supplies to do a micro drip for irrigating 2/300

chili plants in poly bags(hydroponics). but never set it up. A P/C

dripper into a 4-way with 3-4mm tubing to a stake dripper. All 4

stakes and all other clusters of 4 stakes should get the same

amount of flow with P/C(pressure compensating). If you use a

nonP/C dripper, the one furthest from the supply gets less.

A + for SP's P/C dripper's, they can be taken apart and cleaned,

Netafim's goes to the trash, it's a sealed unit.

Each row of this grow had a valve as the corn needed more water

than the bush longbean's. Beans, the 3 short rows. R/H

The tools I used to put the whole system together. The red cutter

at the top of the pix is great for cutting LD&HDPE up to 1". It's

from the BKK SP store and catalog. I haven't found it at the two

main sources of SP in Korat. DoHome/GlobalHouse. Not shown is

the hand punch to make the hole into the HDPE for the tape fitting.

rice555