Tanoshi Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 2 hours ago, jeab1980 said: If you say so. He does! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wump Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 To anyone who still doesn't believe the system exists: Have a closer look at your plane ticket. For the past 12+ months it would include some "Advance passenger screening fee" or something like that (under 'taxes and fees'). I think it's 30 Baht. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiangMaiLightning2143 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 On 20/12/2017 at 6:53 PM, natway09 said: As a foreigner banned for life from entering the US under the same circumstances. Who stopped her ? Banned for life from USfor pot ? You can walk into a specialist retailer in Denver now and buy and ounce of "The bubonic chronic" legally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatwhitenorth Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 27 minutes ago, ChiangMaiLightning2143 said: Banned for life from USfor pot ? You can walk into a specialist retailer in Denver now and buy and ounce of "The bubonic chronic" legally. A criminal conviction for drugs makes you inadmissible to the USA. You can apply for a waver but it will cost roughly $3000 and there is no guarantee that it will be granted. Sticky icky will be legal in Canada within the year and the police have stopped arresting and charging those that have personal amounts. Washington State has decriminalized under 16 oz possession. If you are caught with the good stuff at the border by customs on either side of the line you will be arrested and be made inadmissible to the nation you are not a citizen of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanoshi Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 (edited) http://www.thai-apps.com/en/about/participate-agencies.html Thai Immigration Bureau will pre process every passenger, arriving, departing, or transiting through Thailand and report back to airline with boarding directive such as 'Board if Docs OK' or 'Do not Board'. Edited December 21, 2017 by Tanoshi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritTim Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 12 hours ago, sanemax said: They probably do not send it to the Immigration office , because they close at 4 30 PM and dont open to 8 AM . It could be that they do it all automatically , or they have a 24 hour office ? If you have ever entered Thailand at 5:00 pm on a Friday, you will probably have noticed that you do not need to wait until 8:00 am Monday to pass through immigration. Different branches of immigration each have their own hours. Immigration at some airports, and a small team at headquarters operate 24 hours. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, BritTim said: If you have ever entered Thailand at 5:00 pm on a Friday, you will probably have noticed that you do not need to wait until 8:00 am Monday to pass through immigration. Grab yourself a coffee before you post, that is is what I said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawker9000 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 On 12/19/2017 at 7:49 PM, Mattd said: All airlines that fly in to Thailand must comply. Source please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawker9000 Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, wump said: To anyone who still doesn't believe the system exists: Have a closer look at your plane ticket. For the past 12+ months it would include some "Advance passenger screening fee" or something like that (under 'taxes and fees'). I think it's 30 Baht. ...which proves they collect a fee. And that is what the webpage says. LOL Yeah, who can argue with that? Edited December 21, 2017 by hawker9000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestro Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Removed an off-topic post and the replies to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritTim Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 3 hours ago, hawker9000 said: On 12/20/2017 at 10:49 AM, Mattd said: All airlines that fly in to Thailand must comply. Source please. The source provided by @Tanoshi in post #95 looked pretty good Quote Thai Immigration Bureau will pre-process every passenger arriving, departing or transiting through Thailand and reply back to airline with boarding directive Such as, “Board if DOCS OK” or “Do not Board”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanoshi Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 3 hours ago, hawker9000 said: Source please. AOT (Airports of Thailand) Prior to the introduction of the APPS electronic system to Thailand in Dec 2015, advanced passenger details were forward by e-mail to Thai Immigration for clearance before boarding. The old TM3 (passengers) and TM3/1 (crew) forms for airlines can still be located on Immigrations website. The TM4 and TM4/1 were for passengers and crew arriving by sea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
007 RED Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 4 hours ago, hawker9000 said: Source please. For a starter try looking at the Immigration Act B.E.2522. In particular Section 26 which states: “The owner or person in charge of any conveyance entering into or leaving the Kingdom must submit a list (passenger and crew) in accordance with the pattern prescribed in the Ministerial Regulations and must be inspected by the competent official at the place and under conditions published by the Director General.” For additional clarity the Act provides the following definitions: “Conveyance” means any vehicle or beast of burden or any other object(s) which may be used in conveying persons from one place to another. “Owner of Conveyance” includes an agent of the owner, a person renting, an agent if the person renting, possessor, or an agent of the possessor of the conveyance, as the case may be. “Person in charge of conveyance” means the master of the vessel or person responsible for the control of the conveyance. So in reality all international airlines arriving in Thailand have had to provide passenger information since 1979. The Advance Passenger Information System (APIS) just updates the process to facilitate automated checking. FYI – The actual requirements for airlines to uses APIS are contained within the agreements between the international airline and the Civil Aviation Authority of Thailand (CAAT). If the international airline wants to fly into Thailand they have no option to comply with the CAAT requirements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 A inflammatory off topic post has been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackThompson Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 8 hours ago, ChiangMaiLightning2143 said: Banned for life from USfor pot ? You can walk into a specialist retailer in Denver now and buy and ounce of "The bubonic chronic" legally. It is still illegal under US-Federal Law (listed as a "Schedule I" drug). They just aren't enforcing (consistently) in states that have begun allowing it under state-laws. But the question is to "having been convicted" of such an offense - even if that conviction occurred in another country. The US-Federal Law, per 8 U.S. Code § 1182, states: Except as provided in clause (ii), any alien convicted of, or who admits having committed, or who admits committing acts which constitute the essential elements of— (I) a crime involving moral turpitude (other than a purely political offense) or an attempt or conspiracy to commit such a crime, or (II) a violation of (or a conspiracy or attempt to violate) any law or regulation of a State, the United States, or a foreign country relating to a controlled substance (as defined in section 802 of title 21), is inadmissible. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1182 So even a bust in Thailand for "a little smoke" could, by law, get you banned from entry into the USA - as John Lennon once discovered (due to his conviction for possession of "cannabis resin" in London). Whether non-US convictions are often considered in day-to-day enforcement is another question - the courts eventually ruled that the INS (immigration) had "prosecutorial discretion" in these matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiChakayan Posted December 28, 2017 Share Posted December 28, 2017 On 19/12/2017 at 10:16 PM, Aza90 said: Yes. Her case did go to court though and she was deported and fined 2400 thb. I dont know why it went to court as she paid the usual at the time which was 50k, but it did. So, it became a case of "active corruption" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Aza90 Posted January 4, 2018 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 4, 2018 Would like to thank all for the constructive comments on my post. We've had our holiday now and I've been in touch with a Lawyer (who I have known a while) who says its resolvable. It seems the most likely reason is an inputting error as a ban for this offence should be no more than 10 years. As some have said, the APIS is in place and does work! Also, as some have said, it was better that she was turned away at Heathrow rather than arriving in Bkk and then being deported again from here! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 007 RED Posted January 5, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 5, 2018 On 04/01/2018 at 4:14 PM, Aza90 said: Would like to thank all for the constructive comments on my post. We've had our holiday now and I've been in touch with a Lawyer (who I have known a while) who says its resolvable. It seems the most likely reason is an inputting error as a ban for this offence should be no more than 10 years. As some have said, the APIS is in place and does work! Also, as some have said, it was better that she was turned away at Heathrow rather than arriving in Bkk and then being deported again from here! OP… FYI… Thailand immigration use an Oracle database system. This system is used by several hundred other immigration departments around the world, so it is fairly standard. Because the vast majority of the world uses the Gorgonian Calendar, the date input should follow the DD/MM/YYYY format. So for example, if your sister was given a one year ban in 1994, the immigration officer (or clerk) should have completed the relevant input for the ban end date as DD/MM/1995. As you are no doubt aware, Thailand uses the Thai Solar Calendar which is 543 years ahead of the rest of the world. It is, therefore, highly probable that the immigration officer (or clerk) entered the ban end date using the Thai Calendar format e.g. DD/MM/2538. Unfortunately, because the date format was correct, and the immigration database system has no way of knowing the difference between the two calendar dates, it would have accepted the ban end date as 2538. So when your sister checked in at Heathrow, the APIS would have given the airline a do not board code because the Thai immigration system would have indicated that she was banned until 2538. As I mentioned in my earlier post (#79), if you are able to go to immigration HQ in Bangkok with a copy of your sister’s passport and details of her offence etc. I am fairly confident that they will tell you if she does have a ‘life ban’ (which I very much doubt for the alleged offence), or if there is an error with the ban end date they will correct fairly quickly. You may well find this a less costly option than getting a lawyer to do it for you. Good luck and I hope that you are able to get it sorted. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Artful Dodger Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 This is a belated comment, but as many people have said previously, APIS is automatic and designed to give the airlines the "yes/no" info they need to allow boarding or not. The US asks people to enroll in ESTA (partly to help defray the cost of their APIS) and because they want 48 hours to check the first time you go there without a visa. What is fishy about your sister's situation is that no-one at Heathrow check-in would have known the reason why she was refused passage... The APIS would have sent back a refusal message, but none of the rest of the info you shared regarding her previous conviction and deportation. It's usually the most difficult thing, to know why someone has been refused boarding or why they are on a "no-fly" list... So how did she learn the details? Did she guess? There is no-way that a check-in person at an airport can be telling her that her case is still pending etc... That's just not the way any of these things work. Hope you managed to see each other for Christmas, somewhere. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranky Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Lucky women. If it was picked up on her arrival she'd have been banged up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvinmelvin Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 On 19.12.2017 at 4:16 PM, Aza90 said: Yes. Her case did go to court though and she was deported and fined 2400 thb. I dont know why it went to court as she paid the usual at the time which was 50k, but it did. why should Thailand accept drug offenders entering Thailand? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven100 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Druggies should not be allowed to travel ... period. Drug users, pushers, sellers should be in jail. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranky Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 1 minute ago, steven100 said: Druggies should not be allowed to travel ... period. Drug users, pushers, sellers should be in jail. You missed 'or shot' Mr. Duterte. Legalise them, monitor them, tax them, end of problem. Make a profit instead of wasting money hunting them down and banging them up, the 'War on Drugs' was lost many years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefaultName Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 1 hour ago, steven100 said: Druggies should not be allowed to travel ... period. Drug users, pushers, sellers should be in jail. I tried a couple of joints in the early 80s, decided I liked beer better, haven't indulged since. But, technically, that makes me a drug user, should I leave now before I'm banned from all travel? OK, a bit facetious there, my point is that there are degrees in these things. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amidia808 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 OMG, hope she made it for christmas... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven100 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 14 hours ago, DefaultName said: I tried a couple of joints in the early 80s, decided I liked beer better, haven't indulged since. But, technically, that makes me a drug user, should I leave now before I'm banned from all travel? OK, a bit facetious there, my point is that there are degrees in these things. ok .... but I sooner associate with beer drinkers than druggies. I'm sure most folks feel the same ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiChakayan Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 hour ago, steven100 said: ok .... but I sooner associate with beer drinkers than druggies. I'm sure most folks feel the same ... Can you explain where the difference is between beer and weed? From a medical standpoint? I have never used weed, because it used to be illegal, and I am a law abiding citizen. But that has never stopped me from seeing the hypocrisy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven100 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, KiChakayan said: Can you explain where the difference is between beer and weed? From a medical standpoint? I have never used weed, because it used to be illegal, and I am a law abiding citizen. But that has never stopped me from seeing the hypocrisy. in most countries it's illegal and I just don't like drug users, pushers and sellers. Drugs are causing many problems within Australia and many other countries, they are the scourge of society. I for one would liked to have seen similar justice system in Auss to that of Singapore & Malaysia .... you don't see too many drug addicts in those parts. From a medical standpoint ... well thats your choice if you must take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiChakayan Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 5 hours ago, steven100 said: in most countries it's illegal and I just don't like drug users, pushers and sellers. Drugs are causing many problems within Australia and many other countries, they are the scourge of society. I for one would liked to have seen similar justice system in Auss to that of Singapore & Malaysia .... you don't see too many drug addicts in those parts. From a medical standpoint ... well thats your choice if you must take it. Food for thought mate: Problems caused by Alcohol in Oz... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven100 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, KiChakayan said: Food for thought mate: Problems caused by Alcohol in Oz... sorry ..... I don't care. Drug addicts are rampent in Australia ... they are scum. but thanks for your input. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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