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Driver charged with attempted murder over Australian vehicle attack

 

FILE PHOTO - Australian police stand near a crashed vehicle after they arrested the driver of a vehicle that had ploughed into pedestrians at a crowded intersection near the Flinders Street train station in central Melbourne, Australia, December 21, 2017. REUTERS/Luis Ascui/File photo

 

MELBOURNE (Reuters) - The man accused of deliberately ploughing into Christmas shoppers on a busy street in the Australian city of Melbourne was charged on Saturday with 18 counts of attempted murder and one count of conduct endangering life.

 

The Thursday incident was the second serious vehicle attack in Australia's second biggest city this year.

 

Police said they had charged the man, former Afghanistan refugee Saeed Noori, after formally interviewing him about the attack that police had earlier described as a "deliberate act".

 

Police have said Noori, 32, is known to have mental health problems and to use drugs and they did not believe the attack was terrorism-related.

 

Police suspect Noori was behind the wheel of a white SUV when he deliberately sped up and drove into dozens of pedestrians crossing the road at one of the busiest intersections in Melbourne's central business district.

 

Noori appeared in the Magistrates Court later on Saturday where he was remanded in custody. He will next appear in court on Wednesday. The court also ordered that Noori be assessed by psychologists.

 

Islamist militants have used vehicles to attack people several times in Europe and the United States over the past couple of years.

 

In January, six people were killed in Melbourne's central business district when a man used his vehicle to mow them down. Police also ruled out terrorism for that attack.

 

Following the January incident, authorities installed 140 concrete bollards in the city centre.

 

Victoria State premier Daniel Andrews said 12 people remained in hospital, including three who in critical condition.

 

He said there would be an increased police presence at Melbourne events, including the Boxing Day Test Cricket, carols and other major sports events.

 

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2017-12-23

[phantomfiddler]

What I do not understand is why the australian authorities do not class this as a terrorist attack !

A muslim attemps to kill as many non muslims as possible, in a preplanned attack, in a style recommended by the muslim hierarchy, and this is not a terrorist attack ???

Who is kidding who ?

[ilostmypassword]

4 minutes ago, phantomfiddler said:

What I do not understand is why the australian authorities do not class this as a terrorist attack !

A muslim attemps to kill as many non muslims as possible, in a preplanned attack, in a style recommended by the muslim hierarchy, and this is not a terrorist attack ???

Who is kidding who ?

What in Allah's name is the "muslim hierarchy"?

Edited December 23, 2017 by ilostmypassword

[Naam]

39 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

43 minutes ago, phantomfiddler said:

What I do not understand is why the australian authorities do not class this as a terrorist attack !

A muslim attemps to kill as many non muslims as possible, in a preplanned attack, in a style recommended by the muslim hierarchy, and this is not a terrorist attack ???

Who is kidding who ?

What in Allah's name is the "muslim hierarchy"?

it's an invention of a phantom fiddler.

[7by7]

44 minutes ago, phantomfiddler said:

What I do not understand is why the australian authorities do not class this as a terrorist attack !

A muslim attemps to kill as many non muslims as possible, in a preplanned attack, in a style recommended by the muslim hierarchy, and this is not a terrorist attack ???

Who is kidding who ?

A man with mental health and drug related issues who happens to be a Muslim deliberately drove into a crowd of pedestrians, the religion of whom is unknown.

 

The police are keeping an open mind as to his motives. They have said they do not currently believe it to be terrorist related, but have not dismissed it completely.

 

Fortunately, in Australia and many other countries the police and other authorities base their judgements on the evidence, and so keep an open mind until they have gathered that evidence.

 

Unlike those who base their opinions on nothing but prejudice.

 

[Peterw42]

1 hour ago, phantomfiddler said:

What I do not understand is why the australian authorities do not class this as a terrorist attack !

A muslim attemps to kill as many non muslims as possible, in a preplanned attack, in a style recommended by the muslim hierarchy, and this is not a terrorist attack ???

Who is kidding who ?

Where does it say the guy is Muslim ? Where does it say it was pre-planned ?

I think you may mean Terrorist hierarchy, the people who get nutters to do things in the "name" of a religion.

Edited December 23, 2017 by Peterw42

[ELVIS123456]

10 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

A man with mental health and drug related issues who happens to be a Muslim deliberately drove into a crowd of pedestrians, the religion of whom is unknown.

 

The police are keeping an open mind as to his motives. They have said they do not currently believe it to be terrorist related, but have not dismissed it completely.

 

Fortunately, in Australia and many other countries the police and other authorities base their judgements on the evidence, and so keep an open mind until they have gathered that evidence.

 

Unlike those who base their opinions on nothing but prejudice.

 

Unlike those that call a spade a spade (until proven otherwise) some people just have to be more 'progressive' and 'liberal' and use as their description - 'a gardening implement'.

 

Sure, he could have just 'accidently' copied other Muslim terrorists killing westerners (irrespective of their religion) by driving a vehicle over them, because he was mentally ill and that was what he decided to do with nothing at all about his religion.  But my experience is that mentally ill people hurt themselves, much much more than they hurt other people. 

 

This 'progressive' head in the sand approach reminds me of the 'liberal progressive' police in New York and CNN - when for days they denied it was a terrorist - and only reluctantly later admitted it was.  I have a friend in Sweden and he says this is what the police there do for all Muslim crimes/attacks - they downplay the fact it was a Muslim - because so many are committed by Muslims and they are worried that the public might 'react'.  Certainly there is an argument to say lets not become Nazi Germany - but there is also an argument to say tell the truth and dont try to 'cover up' the obvious (elephant in the room). 

 

It was a Muslim terrorist act - until it is clearly shown to be otherwise . To state that the driver in Australia or Nice is not a Muslim terrorist is bulldust.  Terrorism is 'the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims' [Google] - it doesnt matter if the perpetrator is sane or insane. 

 

 

 

[Naam]

28 minutes ago, ELVIS123456 said:

Terrorism is 'the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims' [Google]

the Norwegian [alledged] muslim had political aims? perhaps overthrowing the OZ government?

[RickBradford]

Really, this is pathetic in its desperation to play down the Muslim terrorist angle.

 

Police have said Noori, 32, is known to have mental health problems and to use drugs and they did not believe the attack was terrorism-related.

 

... and then ...

[The Premier] said there would be an increased police presence at Melbourne events, including the Boxing Day Test Cricket, carols and other major sports events.

 

Bit of a giveaway there, guys.

 

Or are they expecting copycat attacks by more "mentally ill" drug users who are poised in Essendon and Balwyn just waiting for inspiration?

[nausea]

For Allah's sake, a former refugee who uses a terrorist technique, and the attack is not terrorist related - how many fingers am I holding up:

 

 

 

[simple1]

5 hours ago, nausea said:

For Allah's sake, a former refugee who uses a terrorist technique, and the attack is not terrorist related - <snip>

You and others need to look up the definition of 'terrorism' under Australian Federal law before commenting. I've made it easy for you...

 

https://www.ag.gov.au/NationalSecurity/Counterterrorismlaw/Documents/Australias counter terrorism laws.pdf

Edited December 23, 2017 by simple1

[samran]

[digger70]

14 hours ago, phantomfiddler said:

What I do not understand is why the australian authorities do not class this as a terrorist attack !

A muslim attemps to kill as many non muslims as possible, in a preplanned attack, in a style recommended by the muslim hierarchy, and this is not a terrorist attack ???

Who is kidding who ?

They're Kidding themselves they're Idiots.

[balo]

They should ask the Afghan what he thinks about ISIS first . He just saw a chance to kill in Allahs name, drugged or not.

[bert bloggs]

He says he carried out the attack ,because of the way Muslims were being treated , that to my mind means he was attacking people of another religion , he may be mentally deranged ,and not a real terrorist ,but it was inspired by terrorism so he himself has become a terrorist . .

[tartempion]

Many Muslims seem to be mentally ill lately, wonder if it has something to do with the religion of peace.

 What are the chances of not being Muslim when born in Afghanistan?

 

 

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[anon789561]

16 hours ago, 7by7 said:

A man with mental health and drug related issues who happens to be a Muslim deliberately drove into a crowd of pedestrians, the religion of whom is unknown.

 

The police are keeping an open mind as to his motives. They have said they do not currently believe it to be terrorist related, but have not dismissed it completely.

 

Fortunately, in Australia and many other countries the police and other authorities base their judgements on the evidence, and so keep an open mind until they have gathered that evidence.

 

Unlike those who base their opinions on nothing but prejudice.

 

so an afghan refugee mows down a bunch of people “He has said that he attributes his actions to the perceived mistreatment of Muslims,” Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull said. But it's not a terrorist attack? mentally deranged, yes you have to be to follow medieval bullshit and a junkie, most of ISIS were off their heads on drugs whilst fighting. Welcome to the world of the snow flake. Oh he was just a mentally unstable guy, send him for some help. no terrorist here. dear oh dear

[simple1]

2 hours ago, balo said:

They should ask the Afghan what he thinks about ISIS first . He just saw a chance to kill in Allahs name, drugged or not.

It's likely the guy is an Afghan Shia. Many Afghans in Oz have a Shia background and have been granted refugee status as they were being targeted for killing by Sunni Taliban. These days same would apply due to ISIS in Afghanistan.

 

Oz police have yet to finalise their investigations, so it is possible further charges (terrorism related) could be laid if security forces identify the attacker was in fact motivated by Islamist ideology.

Edited December 24, 2017 by simple1